Diazbalart. We begin on the latest legal drama surrounding former President Trump. A new York State Appeals Court is hearing arguments today on trumps efforts to overturn a partial gag order put into place by the judge seeing the new york hushmoney case, and this comes as the president suffered another legal setback in his bid to delay the start of that trial that has Jury Selection beginning next monday. An Appeals Court judge rejected his bid for an Emergency Delay, andly and lisa, walk us through the arguments trump is making. He cant get a fair trial in manhattan, and we have heard that from him before and he has a motion pending with a new york judge to adjourn the trial, meaning postpone the trial, because he believes a manhattan jury pool cannot be fair to him and this is the first time he asked to actually move the location of the trial and he asked to delay the start of the trial while an Appeals Court considers whether it has to be moved outside manhattan. A judge said after oral argument determining she will not pause the start of the trial while the Appeals Court considers whether the trial should be moved, and that means for all intents and purposes, while his motion is still alive we are barrelling towards a monday start day. We also have a motion to appeal the gag order. Whether trump is also trying to delay the start of the trial on the basis the gag order itself is unconstitutional remains to be seen at todays oral argument. Does it seem as though the former president has few avenues left to still try and delay the start of the trial . He does. He still has some motions that the judge could react to, including his pending Recusal Motion that he filed last week. Again, he also asked for an adjustment based on the pretrial, and its something i and others will be watching for today. So vaughn, How Are Trump and his team acting to the rulings on the Emergency Delay . Are they prepared to go to trial as soon as next week . Lisa just said it, we are barrelling towards monday. Six days away. Donald trump and his political opposition are putting out his position on abortion on monday, and on tuesday his team is inside the courtroom trying to delay this and trying to delay him to go and sit four or five, six weeks on the jury trial. Donald trump posting a rightwing column on his truth social account called the absolutely insane case in manhattan. He did an interview on a rightwing out let in which he railed against the criminal trial set to take place against him, and hes heading to georgia for a political fundraiser tomorrow, and this weekend, just about 48 hours before hes set to go on trial hes set to hold in central pennsylvania a campaign rally. So for donald trump, this is, again, where the political meets the legal. Its all tied together because theres a very real potential that his ability to win the white house in november is going to be incumbent on his ability to make a defense not necessarily in the courtroom, but make a defense on his behalf on the campaign trail. Caroline, trumps attorneys filed a article 78 challenge in the hushmoney case, and how unusual is it for such a article to be filed . Its a heightened standard for an appeal. Some people are likening it to another legal term were talking about its sort of a direct attack on the judge, and its a lawsuit against that judge, and its not so rare that they are filed, and its very rare they are actually granted, and here the issue is the judges denial of recusing himself based on trumps argument that his adult daughter working for a Consulting Firm that has democratic clients. We have seen these types of arguments before. Its not new. Trump tries to get all of his judges recused, those that he sees being against him. It will not work and it will potentially knock out the docket, but we are still barrelling towards the trial. What can you tell us about the hushmoney case . The use of Jury Questionnaires in new york are not all that unusual, and the questions asked are fairly standard, like, do you or anybody you know been employed by trump. Thats standard. What is not standard are the questions designed to flush out peoples feeling about trump and the situation, its like do you get your news from cnn or fox or are you a regular lister to podcasts, and also asking questions like you have attended a political rally for donald trump or associated with antitrump causes or organizations . Those are essentially designed not only to figure out how people feel about the political environment in which we are in, but how intensely they feel and whether specifically they will be able to put aside the political affiliations and biases and be impartial jurors, which is what the law demands. And then a brief against trumps claim that hes immune from prosecution when acting as president . They made them to chutkan, and they made them again to the d. C. Circuit which upheld judge chutkans ruling. The specials council, and they are saying to the extent you find that any former president could ever be immune from prosecution on the basis of official acts, that shouldnt apply to this case because judge chutkan is looking at his private conduct, and this is largely a conspiracy that donald trump engaged in with private actors including attorneys and people outside the government for a private gain, that of keeping him in the white house, which is a personal goal and a political goal but not an official one. Caroline, what do you make of the special counsels argument over the immunity claim . They had to make those arguments, jose, because in which the Supreme Court took up this case. They issued a pretty pointed question, which is whether and to what extent does a former president have potential criminal immunity from prosecution from official acts. Lower courts and judge chutkan and the Appeals Court made it a yes or no whether or not there was a president ial criminal immunity, and the answer was no. They did not get into the nitty gritty of are there specific issues if theres some form of a criminal immunity, where and what that line is, and this is essentially going to become a linedrawing exercise, and its essentially is it the trial court or Supreme Court that will get into those issues, and i dont know if its going to be that easy. I will remind viewers, theres thats where the sort of issue is deriving from, and those sorts of arguments trump is trying to make this argument to the president ial criminal immunity. Thank you all so very much. Appreciate it. 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They are now forced to live a life without their beloved middle brother, justin. My son, justin, was the least deserving of his fate. He was the best son any mother could pray for, and justin was brave, spending his final moments protecting another student, and he was hard working and a lettered athlete and top honor student, and he was kind to all. He was full of love and joy. His future was so very bright and full of possibilities. His passing has touched so many Family Members, friends, students and the community in general. The ripple effects of both james and jennifers failure to act has devastated us all. This tragedy was completely preventible. If only they had done something, your honor, anything, to shift the course events, our four angels would be here today, and justin would be getting ready to celebrate his 18th Birthday at the end of the month. If they would have only taken their son to counseling instead of getting him a gun, and if only they had secured that gun, and if only they had spoken up that day in the counseling office, and if only they had checked his backpack and if only they had taken him home or taken him to counseling instead of abandoning him at that school, i wouldnt be standing here today. Your honor, i dont know whats in their hearts. Im not a mind reader. I only know the facts of this case, and the facts of this case, both cases have been deeply disturbing. What i would like to share with the shooters parents is an example of what love looks like between a mother and her son. This is what justin wrote to me on one of the last birthdays that we celebrated together. Dear mom, words cannot describe how thankful i am for you. You have been nothing but an amazing mother for as long as i can remember. Thank you for being a role model. Thank you for showing me what its like to never give up. You inspire me to do better each and every day. I love you so much. Love justin. Its devastating and heartbreaking that it doesnt appear that either of you cherished or even wanted your son, but i wholeheartedly wanted and cherished mine. You have failed your son and you have failed us all. This failure had deadly consequences that can never be undone and can never be made right. I am asking, your honor, for the maximum sentence allowed. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That was jill swave, justin schillings mother. Good morning. Craig schilling, justins dad. Honorable judge matthews, for the second time in six months, i find myself standing in front of a packed courtroom, a victim. This time im here to address a different judge and the parents of the deeply disturbed teenager that murdered my son. This is my opportunity to try and describe how much the horrific event that took place back on november 30th, 2021, has impacted by life. Its my belief an Impact Statement should not just describe how an event impacted me, but it should be impactful towards all who hear it, and judge i hope these words impact you in a way that influences your decision here today. I look around and all the lawyers and Police Officers and media folks and other victims, i cant help but ask myself, what could i possibly say that this whole scenario doesnt already say . This is messed up. Most people will never have to make a Victim Impact Statement throughout the course of their lives, and the fact that the victims speaking here are doing so for the second time in six months should speak volumes in and of itself. This is not normal. Living a life like this is not normal. So how does it affect a normal guy . To be completely honest with you, it remains a rather difficult and uncomfortable question to answer. My Impact Statement, i expressed many of my daily struggles, sleepness nights and not being able to focus on daily tasks, and its fair to say i live every day with anger, regret, sadness, and anxiety, and they are all there every day in my life. We are coming up on 2 1 2 years now, and i can assure you the wounds are as fresh as they were on that tragic day. This hole that has been left in my life we just lost the audio from inside the courtroom there in pontiac, michigan. We are trying to reestablish the audio, and we are seeing justin schillings father speaking to the court at this time. We are trying to reestablish audio and see if we can get that. These are the parents of the four murdered extraordinary little children that lost their lives that day, giving their Impact Statements before the judge decides what the sentencing of the two parents should be receiving. We have lost audio. I believe we still have not gotten that back. So meanwhile i can tell you that jennifer and James Crumbly has been convicted on four counts of involuntary manslaughter. Each parent is facing up to 15 years in prison. Shaquille brewster joins us outside the courthouse in pontiac, michigan. We are going to be able to hear from each of the parents of the murdered children. Reporter thats exactly right, jose. You can expect a very emotional hearing. As we have heard from the parents of those four who were killed in that 2021 Oxford High School shooting, and you mention these parents are facing up to 15 years in prison. The prosecution is asking the judge to give them the sentence of somewhere between 10 to 15 of those years, and State Sentencing Guidelines suggest they should be receiving a range of about 4 1 2 to 7 years, as the attorneys of the parents are suggesting essentially they should be released after getting time served and after acknowledging the time spent behind bars since october of 2021. You hear some of the emotion in the parents voices, and it sounds like we have the father of justin back up now. I will let you listen a little more now. Thank you. Hours and hours invested in processing and organizing the evidence and also being able to use that evidence to establish the cold and hard truth of the tragic situation that james and Jennifer Crumbly failed in their parental responsibilities. The cold truth shows they did nothing to address the obvious disturbed State Of Mind, and it shows they provided their son with exactly what he needed to do what he did. One would think that for something of this magnitude to even happen, there would have to be a ton of things that went wrong, although there were some things that definitely went wrong that day. For several of those things, i believe, if they had been handled correctly we would not be here right now, and james and Jennifer Crumbly carry the bulk of the responsibility for not handling those things. The overall similarities between the two are evident. With jennifer, the thing that resinates more, she stated that even knowing what she knew now, she still would not have changed a thing. I almost died when she said that. Four precious lives were lost at the hands of her son by means that she helped provide. She saw the drawing of the murder, drawn with the hand of her son. She sat and heard the request of the counselor and did nothing, and she still says that she would not have changed a thing. I just dont understand how somebody can be that heartless to make a Statement Like that. The blood of our children is on your hands, too. This is one reason i feel that jennifer should receive the maximum amount for her sentence. The facts presented should be all that you need. I feel the maximum amount of Time Available is needed for her to be able to fully comprehend the gravity of her actions and the lack thereof. With james, there were a couple of things that jumped out at me in particular, and one thing hard to digest is the fact that he sat there and shook his head in total disagreement, as if to suggest the jury was wrong and there were no grounds for a guilty verdict. I was dumbfounded to see him shake his head with such disbelief, and that action suggests he thinks he did nothing wrong. How could he possibly think that . Four precious lives were lost at the hands of your son by the means that he helped provide. He saw the drawing of the murder, drawn with the hands of his son, and he sat and heard the request of the counselor and did nothing. I cannot understand how somebody could so arrogantly sit there the blood of our children is on your hands, too. This is why james should receive the maximum amount for his sentence. The Impact Statements should be all you need. I feel the maximum amount of Time Available is needed for him to fully comprehend the gravity of his actions and the lack thereof. Throughout the course of all this, and im talking from way back in the beginning, i cant get over the fact that this tragedy was completely avoidable. There was pretty obvious signs completely overlooked and the bulk of the responsibilities lied on the parents and they failed, across the board failed. They willfully ignored the cry of their child and selfishly put themselves before him, and this blatant disregard is unacceptable, and is largely why the events of that day were allowed to happen and the reason i feel they both need the maximum amount of Time Available, to fully comprehend the negligence of their actions and the lack thereof. Lets face it, kids dont come with instructions, and unfortunately no pause or buttons either. But we still