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On the Border Detention Centers to try and find some answers. Now, every president , every party has left their fingerprints on the state of our Immigration System today. The reagan administrations Amnesty Policy Drew Widespread Backlash and still gives some nservatives pause today. The Bush Administration had its faults. The administration struggled to handle a spike in migrations amid mass deportations. But at the moment, the Current Administration is separating families from their children at our bor with mexico, not because of a law, but because this administration has chosen to do so. So far despite nearly 2000 children being separated from their families, whats missing from this story are a flood of images of these Young Children. It was images of children, after all, that spurred the president to change course in syria. So far, this young toddler has become the face of this policy. Stop and look at her for just a moment. And remember that there are thousands thousands of other faces that we have not seen. Thats, in part, because cameras have been granted such limited access to the facilities where these children are being held. Lets go live now to Msnbcs Jacob Soboroff in texas. Jacob, you have been one of the few journalists to see the facilities where Migrant Children are being held. Tell us what it is that we cant see. Reporter so, kasie, this building behind me is nondescript, but probably the epicenter of the entire conversation we are having. This is the Border Patrol Central Processing Center called ursula. Inside are 1200 detainees and more Young Children have been separated from their parents inside that building as their parents leave the building and Anywhere Else along the southern border, and that is because this sector, the rio grand valley, sees more apprehensions, more people trying to cross illegally than Anywhere Else. And inside this building today, we got inside with another group of journalists for the first time. And what we saw, frankly, is a shocking as Everything Else that we have been seeing. And i want to be really clear, whats happening inside that building in terms of people being detained inside cages by the way, we werent allowed to take cameras in, but we were given photos from customs and border protection. People have been detained inside this building for a long time. This is the First Time Since this is the First Time Ever that children have been separated on a systematic basis. Look at those photos right there. From their parents and that is because of the Trump Administration. People are locked up in cages, essentially what look like animal kennels. I dont know any other way to describe it. Strangely the Washington Post gave senator jeff merkley what they call three pinocchios for saying kids were locked up in cages here. That is exactly what i saw today. Whats different than what is going on in this building than the Obama Administration is the systematic separation of children from their parents under Zero Tolerance policy. In this sector alone, there have been over 1100 kids separated from their parents since the policy began. We know 2000 since early april across the entire southern border so its a massive amount coming out of here. In this building, what happens is parents get ready to leave the building and they dont know if theyre going to i. C. E. Family detention with their children or if they get to bring their children with them or if theyre going to the courthouse to get charged. Ultimately they are given a piece of paper, theyre taken to the courthouse, their children are left behind here, and they dont know when they are going to see their children ever again frankly. I dont think that, you know, theyre supposed to call this phone number and figure out the details and thats something that is supposed to get explained to them, but there is a big mess going on right now. Even the Border Patrol inside this building says theyre overstaffed, they dont have enough resources. The system is getting stressed out because the Trump Administration decided to put this into place and the consequence really havent been worked out. The biggest consequence of all is thousands of Young Children in a way that has never been done before, taken from their parents. And when you hear the Trump Administration say this has been done before, this is democrat policy, this is not unusual, thats b. S. Frankly. Jacob, were you able to talk to any of the children in the facility or get a sense for what it was like for them . And how, how quickly is there any warning for these people . You said theyre just handed a piece of paper. What dictates whats on that piece of paper . Is it im stuck on this idea of how terrified people must be walking up to receive whatever piece of information is going to tell them, whether or not theyre going to be allowed to stay with their kids. Yeah, there was a mother in tears there today as a group of journalists came around r. We were asked not to talk to people inside. Without the permission of Border Patrol. There were a couple we were sabl to talk to. The idea is by court order they have to be out of here within 72 hours. And because its sort of a hodgepodge of rules and regulations coming together, right now theyre trying to get people out of this facility as fast as possible. If the parents are going to be charged, they try to get them theyre trying to get them over to federal court as fast as possible. Theyre trying to get the kids out of here as fast as possible into facilities run by health and human services. But these scenarios are coming up that were finding out about where a parent, for instance, might be charged. By the way, the Trump Administration, again, wants to charge 100 of the people that come into this country illegally. Right now in this sector theyre saying that number and the separations are around 40 with the goal of charging everybody. There are scenarios where a parent might leave, go to the federal court house, be charged and sentenced with time served, come back to this building behind me and their kids are already gone and theyre already into the h. H. S. System and they dont know how to find their child and they dont know when theyre going to find their child and they dont know where to find their child. So, there are these inconsistencies in the way this is all playing out thats just making these terribly painful and irrational situations that seem like they could be put together in a way that just frankly makes more sense. Jacob soboroff live in texas. Thank you so much for spending your fathers day to bring us this story here. Great reporting and im sure well talk to you again soon. I want to welcome my panel here with me onset. The founding president and msnbc contributor teresa kumar. Washington post and msnbc analyst Philip Rucker and ken dilanian. Teresa kumar, i want to start with you with the story we started off with jacob. There has been a lot of d dissembling from Trump Administration officials. As lanyndsay said, the trump with a phone call. Ld stop this this is a decision formulated when john kelly was head of d. H. S. He threw it out there and then it tuck and sessions literally put it into play in may. This is something he cannot only do overnight, but lets look at Mitch Mcconnell and at paul ryan. They also have a legislative calendar they can control. There are two pieces of legislation right now they can say they could end it today. There is something we need to underscore. 90 of these individuals right now that are being charged, theyre being charged with a misdemeanor. In april, the Supreme Court ruled that immigrants can be held indefinitely without bail, so it not only is it messy, but its almost a lining to ensure these individuals are incarcerated for adds long as possible and theyre doing it for misdemeanors that do not make sense. The extent of the cruelty is unimaginable. They have also been reporting that in san diego, even siblings have been separated and they can only see each other once a week. There is no rhyme or reason for whats happening. What we are experiencing right now at the border is not normal immigration pattern, it is not for economic reasons. These are refugees. I would like to remind the American People we set the standard. We crafted the Human Rights Laws the rest of the world practice. The u. N. Said what we are doing to children is in violation of their rights. Philip cker, what is going on Behind The Scenes at the white house . On the one hand you have officials like Jeff Sessions g out there being very clear, the president is blaming democrats which is not true. Very important, not true. Hr Administration Policy they can stop with a single phone call. Melania trump is saying we have to have policies with heart, quoteunquote. You can see her statement there. She said we need to have a country that follows all laws but governs with heart. Where is the president on this and whether this should continue . Well, this weekend its become a real political crisis as well as a humanitarian crisis that threatens to spiral out of control for the president. He said friday he talked to reporters friday on the north lawn of the white house and said he doesnt like the Policy Of Separating children from their parents and he blamed it on democrats. Thats not true. Its not the democrats fault as we have said. And the white house is grappling with over the weekend how to deal with it and they don an easy answer for it. Kellyanne conway, counselor to the president , really struggled on Meet The Press earlier this morning to defend this policy. She said as a catholic, as a mother she doesnt like to see whats happening there. We are hearing more and more about whats happening inside those Detention Centers like with jacobs report. My colleagues at the post had a story this weekend about a young girl separated from her parents in tears, very emotional about it, and the workers, Relief Workers inside the Detention Facilities are prohibited from counseling i read that. Its heart breaking. Theyre not allowed to hug them, comfortem. This is a real problem for the white house to deal with. And we have tuesday, the president planning to go up to capitol hill to meet with republican lawmakers there to try to come up with some sort of legislative solution. But he wants more than just a fix for this particular policy. He wants funding for that border wall. Ken dilanian, the other piece of this, a couple pieces, the Homeland Security secretary Kristen Nielsen has reportedly been very frustrated with this Behind The Scenes, but of course in public we showed her tweet earlier where she says we dont have a policy of doing this yet they are doing it. Also, frankly, the facilities our Law Enforcement is going to get overwhelmed pretty quickly by the sheer numbers. And what she meant is that its not their policy to separate kids. Its their policy to have a Zero Tolerance policy against immigrants and to arrest everybody crossing illegally. You know what, there are a lot of people in the trump base that support that. It is true most countries around the world have a much less generous policy than we do. There is a reason theyre not stopping in mexico, theyre going to our border. But most americans are not on board with this cruel and punitive policy that stems from current law of removing these children. If thats the only way you can arrest everybody, then you just cant do it. Thats what Kiersten Kneel son has been saying behind t scenes. Joining me to talk about it tom cole of oklahoma. Congressman, its good to see you tonight. Thank you, kasie. Thank you for being here. I want to show you some of the remarks that your colleagues, republican colleagues in the congress have had to say about this topic weve been discussing, separation of children from their families at the border. First paul ryan, the house speaker, and then senator Lindsey Graham. Take a look and well talk about it. Are you comfortable with the current Zero Tolerance policy leading to parents and children being separated at the border . No, im not. This is because our court ruling. Mr. Speaker, on that point, this is actually a Policy Change from the Trump Administration for Zero Tolerance and there is also a court ruling involved. This is something we think should be religious leaders have come out and said this is inhumane. Do you agree . We dont want kids to be separated from their parents. President trump could stop this policy with a phone call. If you dont like families being separated, you can tell d. H. S. Stop doing it. Congressman, should the president make that phone call and stop this policy . Well, i certainly think we shouldnt be separating Young Children from their nts. But frankly, in this case, if you want asylum, you can go to any embassy in any country and seek it. Well adjudicate it there. You can come to a Port Of Entry and it will be dealt with there. Again, you wouldnt be separated from your children. If you cross the border illegally, you run that risk. Frankly we have surges like this. We had them during the obama years. We had hundreds of Young Children held in my district at fort seal, oklahoma, ranging from ages 8 to 14. The Obama Administration, sir, they specifically grappled with this question about whether to separate children from their families, and they decided not to do it and thats how we ended up with many of these family Detention Centers. Milwaukee i, ka esie, thats not exactly true. When im looking at an 8yearold child in my district, ey weren with their parents. They may have been separated because they traveled alone or traveled in a group or with somebody else. So a lot of these cases are not actually involving a separation of the parents. Its a dangerous thing and discouraging people from Traveling Thousands of miles where they can be exploited and preyed upon and where they run great physical risk is the right thing to be doing. Now, if were going to have hopefully an opportunity this week to address this legislatively and fix it, i agree with speaker ryan. This is not a policy we want to pursue. But i have a lot of sympathy with Border Agents confronted with thousands of people and dont have any easy recourse as to what to do with them. Again, weve housed children for a lot of years. Ive seen it myself under multiple administrations when we get these summer surges. Well, at the same time, i take your point but i do think it is very distinct and different to have unaccompanied minors crossing the border by themselves than to have people arriving at these Detention Centers. You mentioned legislation, though, comprehensive or if not comprehensive, then certainly more seping Immigration Legislation has failed time and time and time again in the congress, trying to grapple with so many of these issues all at once. If, in fact, this Compromise Legislation that you all have talked about fails to pass the house, would you support a narrow immigration proposal to end this separation of families at the border . Iwould. Im not for separating Young Children from their families. But again, you have to understand that the sheer scope of what were grappling with. And frankly, i would hope people that are concerned about this would make sure our borders are more secure and that we follow the president s four pillars which i still think are the most sensible ways of dealing with problems we have. In terms of comprehensive legislation thats probably not going to happen. I much prefer dealing with things in several pieces of legislation. I think well have that opportunity this week. I hope our Friends On The Other Side of the aisle help us and i hope republicans, again, are supportive of what the president is trying to do in terms of securing the border. The president hasnt been 100 clear on this compromise bill. Its been quite muddy over the past few days. Is your understanding that he would sign this Compromise Legislation if it were to pass . Thats my understanding. And i get your point that i was confused myself on friday, but i think the president gave an Border Detention Centers<\/a> to try and find some answers. Now, every president , every party has left their fingerprints on the state of our Immigration System<\/a> today. The reagan administrations Amnesty Policy Drew Widespread Backlash<\/a> and still gives some nservatives pause today. The Bush Administration<\/a> had its faults. The administration struggled to handle a spike in migrations amid mass deportations. But at the moment, the Current Administration<\/a> is separating families from their children at our bor with mexico, not because of a law, but because this administration has chosen to do so. So far despite nearly 2000 children being separated from their families, whats missing from this story are a flood of images of these Young Children<\/a>. It was images of children, after all, that spurred the president to change course in syria. So far, this young toddler has become the face of this policy. Stop and look at her for just a moment. And remember that there are thousands thousands of other faces that we have not seen. Thats, in part, because cameras have been granted such limited access to the facilities where these children are being held. Lets go live now to Msnbcs Jacob Soboroff<\/a> in texas. Jacob, you have been one of the few journalists to see the facilities where Migrant Children<\/a> are being held. Tell us what it is that we cant see. Reporter so, kasie, this building behind me is nondescript, but probably the epicenter of the entire conversation we are having. This is the Border Patrol<\/a> Central Processing Center<\/a> called ursula. Inside are 1200 detainees and more Young Children<\/a> have been separated from their parents inside that building as their parents leave the building and Anywhere Else<\/a> along the southern border, and that is because this\rsector, the rio grand valley, sees more apprehensions, more people trying to cross illegally than Anywhere Else<\/a>. And inside this building today, we got inside with another group of journalists for the first time. And what we saw, frankly, is a shocking as Everything Else<\/a> that we have been seeing. And i want to be really clear, whats happening inside that building in terms of people being detained inside cages by the way, we werent allowed to take cameras in, but we were given photos from customs and border protection. People have been detained inside this building for a long time. This is the First Time Since<\/a> this is the First Time Ever<\/a> that children have been separated on a systematic basis. Look at those photos right there. From their parents and that is because of the Trump Administration<\/a>. People are locked up in cages, essentially what look like animal kennels. I dont know any other way to describe it. Strangely the Washington Post<\/a> gave senator jeff merkley what they call three pinocchios for saying kids were locked up in cages here. That is exactly what i saw today. Whats different than what is going on in this building than the Obama Administration<\/a> is the systematic separation of children from their parents under Zero Tolerance<\/a> policy. In this sector alone, there have been over 1100 kids separated from their parents since the policy began. We know 2000 since early april across the entire southern border so its a massive amount coming out of here. In this building, what happens is parents get ready to leave the building and they dont know if theyre going to i. C. E. Family detention with their children or if they get to bring their children with them or if theyre going to the courthouse to get charged. Ultimately they are given a piece of paper, theyre taken to the courthouse, their children are left behind here, and they dont know when they are going to see their children ever again frankly. I dont think that, you know, theyre supposed to call this phone number and figure out the details and thats something that is supposed to get explained to them, but there is a big mess going on right now. Even the Border Patrol<\/a> inside this building says theyre overstaffed, they dont have enough resources. The system is getting stressed\rout because the Trump Administration<\/a> decided to put this into place and the consequence really havent been worked out. The biggest consequence of all is thousands of Young Children<\/a> in a way that has never been done before, taken from their parents. And when you hear the Trump Administration<\/a> say this has been done before, this is democrat policy, this is not unusual, thats b. S. Frankly. Jacob, were you able to talk to any of the children in the facility or get a sense for what it was like for them . And how, how quickly is there any warning for these people . You said theyre just handed a piece of paper. What dictates whats on that piece of paper . Is it im stuck on this idea of how terrified people must be walking up to receive whatever piece of information is going to tell them, whether or not theyre going to be allowed to stay with their kids. Yeah, there was a mother in tears there today as a group of journalists came around r. We were asked not to talk to people inside. Without the permission of Border Patrol<\/a>. There were a couple we were sabl to talk to. The idea is by court order they have to be out of here within 72 hours. And because its sort of a hodgepodge of rules and regulations coming together, right now theyre trying to get people out of this facility as fast as possible. If the parents are going to be charged, they try to get them theyre trying to get them over to federal court as fast as possible. Theyre trying to get the kids out of here as fast as possible into facilities run by health and human services. But these scenarios are coming up that were finding out about where a parent, for instance, might be charged. By the way, the Trump Administration<\/a>, again, wants to charge 100 of the people that come into this country illegally. Right now in this sector theyre saying that number and the separations are around 40 with the goal of charging everybody. There are scenarios where a parent might leave, go to the federal court house, be charged and sentenced with time served, come back to this building behind me and their kids are already gone and theyre already\rinto the h. H. S. System and they dont know how to find their child and they dont know when theyre going to find their child and they dont know where to find their child. So, there are these inconsistencies in the way this is all playing out thats just making these terribly painful and irrational situations that seem like they could be put together in a way that just frankly makes more sense. Jacob soboroff live in texas. Thank you so much for spending your fathers day to bring us this story here. Great reporting and im sure well talk to you again soon. I want to welcome my panel here with me onset. The founding president and msnbc contributor teresa kumar. Washington post and msnbc analyst Philip Rucker<\/a> and ken dilanian. Teresa kumar, i want to start with you with the story we started off with jacob. There has been a lot of d\rdissembling from Trump Administration<\/a> officials. As lanyndsay said, the trump with a phone call. Ld stop this this is a decision formulated when john kelly was head of d. H. S. He threw it out there and then it tuck and sessions literally put it into play in may. This is something he cannot only do overnight, but lets look at Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> and at paul ryan. They also have a legislative calendar they can control. There are two pieces of legislation right now they can say they could end it today. There is something we need to underscore. 90 of these individuals right now that are being charged, theyre being charged with a misdemeanor. In april, the Supreme Court<\/a> ruled that immigrants can be held indefinitely without bail, so it not only is it messy, but its almost a lining to ensure these individuals are incarcerated for adds long as possible and theyre doing it for misdemeanors that do not make sense. The extent of the cruelty is unimaginable. They have also been reporting that in san diego, even siblings\rhave been separated and they can only see each other once a week. There is no rhyme or reason for whats happening. What we are experiencing right now at the border is not normal immigration pattern, it is not for economic reasons. These are refugees. I would like to remind the American People<\/a> we set the standard. We crafted the Human Rights Laws<\/a> the rest of the world practice. The u. N. Said what we are doing to children is in violation of their rights. Philip cker, what is going on Behind The Scenes<\/a> at the white house . On the one hand you have officials like Jeff Sessions<\/a> g out there being very clear, the president is blaming democrats which is not true. Very important, not true. Hr Administration Policy<\/a> they can stop with a single phone call. Melania trump is saying we have to have policies with heart, quoteunquote. You can see her statement there. She said we need to have a country that follows all laws but governs with heart. Where is the president on this and whether this should continue . Well, this weekend its become a real political crisis\ras well as a humanitarian crisis that threatens to spiral out of control for the president. He said friday he talked to reporters friday on the north lawn of the white house and said he doesnt like the Policy Of Separating<\/a> children from their parents and he blamed it on democrats. Thats not true. Its not the democrats fault as we have said. And the white house is grappling with over the weekend how to deal with it and they don an easy answer for it. Kellyanne conway, counselor to the president , really struggled on Meet The Press<\/a> earlier this morning to defend this policy. She said as a catholic, as a mother she doesnt like to see whats happening there. We are hearing more and more about whats happening inside those Detention Centers<\/a> like with jacobs report. My colleagues at the post had a story this weekend about a young girl separated from her parents in tears, very emotional about it, and the workers, Relief Workers<\/a> inside the Detention Facilities<\/a> are prohibited from counseling i read that. Its heart breaking. Theyre not allowed to hug them, comfortem. This is a real problem for the white house to deal with. And we have tuesday, the\rpresident planning to go up to capitol hill to meet with republican lawmakers there to try to come up with some sort of legislative solution. But he wants more than just a fix for this particular policy. He wants funding for that border wall. Ken dilanian, the other piece of this, a couple pieces, the Homeland Security<\/a> secretary Kristen Nielsen<\/a> has reportedly been very frustrated with this Behind The Scenes<\/a>, but of course in public we showed her tweet earlier where she says we dont have a policy of doing this yet they are doing it. Also, frankly, the facilities our Law Enforcement<\/a> is going to get overwhelmed pretty quickly by the sheer numbers. And what she meant is that its not their policy to separate kids. Its their policy to have a Zero Tolerance<\/a> policy against immigrants and to arrest everybody crossing illegally. You know what, there are a lot of people in the trump base that support that. It is true most countries around the world have a much less generous policy than we do. There is a reason theyre not stopping in mexico, theyre going to our border. But most americans are not on board with this cruel and\rpunitive policy that stems from current law of removing these children. If thats the only way you can arrest everybody, then you just cant do it. Thats what Kiersten Kneel<\/a> son has been saying behind t scenes. Joining me to talk about it tom cole of oklahoma. Congressman, its good to see you tonight. Thank you, kasie. Thank you for being here. I want to show you some of the remarks that your colleagues, republican colleagues in the congress have had to say about this topic weve been discussing, separation of children from their families at the border. First paul ryan, the house speaker, and then senator Lindsey Graham<\/a>. Take a look and well talk about it. Are you comfortable with the current Zero Tolerance<\/a> policy leading to parents and children being separated at the border . No, im not. This is because our court ruling. Mr. Speaker, on that point, this is actually a Policy Change<\/a> from the Trump Administration<\/a> for Zero Tolerance<\/a> and there is also a court ruling involved. This is something we think should be religious leaders have come out and said this is inhumane. Do you agree . We dont want kids to be separated from their parents. President trump could stop this policy with a phone call. If you dont like families being separated, you can tell d. H. S. Stop doing it. Congressman, should the president make that phone call and stop this policy . Well, i certainly think we shouldnt be separating Young Children<\/a> from their nts. But frankly, in this case, if you want asylum, you can go to any embassy in any country and seek it. Well adjudicate it there. You can come to a Port Of Entry<\/a> and it will be dealt with there. Again, you wouldnt be separated from your children. If you cross the border illegally, you run that risk. Frankly we have surges like this. We had them during the obama years. We had hundreds of Young Children<\/a> held in my district at fort seal, oklahoma, ranging from ages 8 to 14. The Obama Administration<\/a>, sir, they specifically grappled with this question about whether to separate children from their families, and they decided not to do it and thats how we ended up with many of these family Detention Centers<\/a>. Milwaukee i, ka esie, thats\rnot exactly true. When im looking at an 8yearold child in my district, ey weren with their parents. They may have been separated because they traveled alone or traveled in a group or with somebody else. So a lot of these cases are not actually involving a separation of the parents. Its a dangerous thing and discouraging people from Traveling Thousands<\/a> of miles where they can be exploited and preyed upon and where they run great physical risk is the right thing to be doing. Now, if were going to have hopefully an opportunity this week to address this legislatively and fix it, i agree with speaker ryan. This is not a policy we want to pursue. But i have a lot of sympathy with Border Agents<\/a> confronted with thousands of people and dont have any easy recourse as to what to do with them. Again, weve housed children for a lot of years. Ive seen it myself under multiple administrations when we get these summer surges. Well, at the same time, i take your point but i do think it is very distinct and different to have unaccompanied minors crossing the border by\rthemselves than to have people arriving at these Detention Centers<\/a>. You mentioned legislation, though, comprehensive or if not comprehensive, then certainly more seping Immigration Legislation<\/a> has failed time and time and time again in the congress, trying to grapple with so many of these issues all at once. If, in fact, this Compromise Legislation<\/a> that you all have talked about fails to pass the house, would you support a narrow immigration proposal to end this separation of families at the border . Iwould. Im not for separating Young Children<\/a> from their families. But again, you have to understand that the sheer scope of what were grappling with. And frankly, i would hope people that are concerned about this would make sure our borders are more secure and that we follow the president s four pillars which i still think are the most sensible ways of dealing with problems we have. In terms of comprehensive legislation thats probably not going to happen. I much prefer dealing with things in several pieces of\rlegislation. I think well have that opportunity this week. I hope our Friends On The Other Side<\/a> of the aisle help us and i hope republicans, again, are supportive of what the president is trying to do in terms of securing the border. The president hasnt been 100 clear on this compromise bill. Its been quite muddy over the past few days. Is your understanding that he would sign this Compromise Legislation<\/a> if it were to pass . Thats my understanding. And i get your point that i was confused myself on friday, but i think the president gave an Impromptu Press Conference<\/a> and may not have understood the question. Frankly hes been pretty busy guy between north korea and the g7 summit so he may not have been fully briefed. But hes going to come and visit with us on tuesday and i think well have opportunity to see where hes at. Its my understanding he would support either of the two pieces of legislation that speaker ryan is planning to present to the house. Ag idea we can solve it in the house in a day, not true. Anything we do has to go through the senate, has to be solved or signed by the president. So, if you want to deal with\rsomething, it needs to be bipartisan and you need to have both chambers and the Executive Branch<\/a> on the same page. Given that, the time it takes to do this, do you think the president should make that this phone call and stop Family Separations<\/a> until you can take action i do. I am not for Family Separations<\/a> under any circumstances. But im also not for catch and release. That is, i wouldnt just release the population either. Frankly, were on the verge of being overwhelmed on on the border. Weve had this before. We were overwhelmed when president obama was there. As i said, weve had lots of centers with Young Children<\/a>, eight years and younger in some cases, on their own. Its not a good situation. I would hope parents dont put their children in that situation, but certainly if the rent is there, the child is better off with the parent. Congressman cole, thank you very much for coming on to play ball with us tonight. Appreciate it. Ill see you on the hill later on this week. Thanks. Thanks. Teresakumar, your reaction to\rwhat the congressman said. If you recall, vicepresident biden went down to mexico and actually crafted something with the Mexican Government<\/a> saying, how can we actually prevent this . We saw the research coming. They were working closely with the mexican authorities. We are so on the wrong side with the Mexican Government<\/a>. The Mexican Government<\/a> is not cooperating it isnt necessarily people from mexico it was part of that migration. They were basically providing different place s to stop and provide people relief. The challenge, though and i think this is what the American People<\/a> have to recognize if you are a mother or father and you are traversing literally three to four countries to get to the border, how terrible is your situation . It must be so terrible that you actually are willing toisk your life. When hes mentioning to your point, kasie, he said when he is mentioning that you found a lot of unaccompanied minors by themselves, thats because an 8yearold was put on a bus and said go that way because its unsafe here. And it is a much different situation. Absolutely. Which the congressman acknowledges. The overall picture, this\rmass migration to the United States<\/a>, we are at net neutral. These are not your common immigrant. They are refugees, they are fleeing violence, fleeing desperation. Much more on this conversation as the night continues. Coming up, Paul Manafort<\/a> is behind bars as Pressure Mounts<\/a> on Michael Cohen<\/a> and roger stone. Well have the latest developments out of the Russia Investigation<\/a>. And later, my interview with Senate Candidate<\/a> cory stewart who stunned virginia with his comments and his primary victory. But first, it was another whiplash week in washington. Kasie d. C. Back after this. Two motorcycles, a boat, and an r. V. I would not want to pay that insurance bill. [ ding ] oh, i have progressive, so i just bundled everything with my home insurance. Saved me a ton of money. Love you, gary you dont have to buzz in. Its not a question, gary. On march 1, 1810 [ ding ] frederic chopin. Collapsing in 226 [ ding ] the colossus of rhodes. [ sighs ] Louise Dustmann<\/a> [ ding ] brahms lullaby, or wiegenlied. When will it end . [ ding ] not today, ron. 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It seems to me, however, whatever the recollection, differing recollections about this, it sort of gets resolved with the fact that stone did nothing about it, came to the conclusion, according to the post, it was a waste of time. He and greenberg came to the conclusion it was a waste of time. So, i cant imagine anything got back to the then president ial candidate that was of any substance. If he had concluded it was a waste of time. Robert mueller has a funny way of jogging peoples memories. Ken dilanian, what exactly is roger stones story . He emailed you . He did. I reached out to him. I got a response moments before coming on air. His story is he forgot about this meeting with the Russian National<\/a>. He said i flatly rejected his proposal in what was a 20minute meeting and never mentioned it to trump or the Trump Campaign<\/a> because the idea was so ludicrous. He forgot about it, now he remembers details. He said his recollection was refreshed by Michael Caputo<\/a> Whose Recollection<\/a> was refreshed by mueller. Manafort all of a sudden being in jail jogged more details. That could very well be possible. The thing in this story my colleagues in the post wrote about with roger stone, he wasnt just offered dirt about Hillary Clinton<\/a>. The Russian National<\/a> was trying to sell dirt about Hillary Clinton<\/a> and what roger stone told him in that meeting was that donald trump doesnt pay for anything. That trump would not put forward the money to get that damaging information, not that he didnt want the damaging information or that it was somehow inappropriate potentially they would have\raccepted it. They werent going to pay 2 million for it. Thats the implication. Heres whats interesting about this story. Caputo and stone are spinning about impropriety on the part of thegovernment. He has a history of being an fbi informant. They were wondering if he was working a as an fbi informant at the time. This was two months before james comey said the trump Russia Investigation<\/a> began. If he was, the fbi would have some questions to answer. So far there was no evidence he was. Would the fbi have something to answer or would this be the thing that potentially prompted them to open the russia probe . To run an informant at a senior aide in a mainstream president ial campaign would be a big decision requiring top level approvals even in the justice department. They wouldnt have done it on a whim or gone fishing. They might have had good cause to do it, even at moment, two months before the formal investigation began. It is something the republicans are trying to raise, throwing up smoke and suggesting this was improper. Why didnt they warn us about\rtrump russia influence on the campaign and instead of targeting us. It was weird they kept going after Hillary Clinton<\/a> for her emails. It seems like emails is whats going to bring them down. Whats app messages on cohens phone he forgot to erase is giving them a litany of information. The fact he had 16 cell phones on them and all of them had high level information is basically one of the Things Mueller<\/a> is interested in. I can barely manage one cell phone. Teresa kumar, thank you for coming on, appreciate your perspective. Still to come on kasie d. C. , new yorks attorney generals President Trump<\/a>s Charitable Foundation<\/a> accusing him and his children of persistent illegal conduct. Kasie d. C. Back after this. Ld . You good . Yeah, you . [ roaring ] [ screaming ] nope. Rated pg13. And now for the rings. Im a fouryearold ring bearer with a bad habit of swallowing stuff. Still wont eat my broccoli, though. And if you dont have the right overage, you could be paying for that pricey love band yourself. So get an allstate agent, and be better protected from mayhem. Like me. Can a ring bearer get a snack around here . Of his golf clubs and even stage a multimillion Dollar Giveaway<\/a> at a 2016 campaign event. President trump fired back on twitter saying, quote, i wont settle this case. Joining me now Washington Post<\/a> reporter and msnbc contributor who broke the story david farenthold, david, thank you so much for coming in tonight. Good to see you as always. I have a case this stems from reporting you did on its a portrait he paid to hang at maralago. Remind us all. It was a portrait of himself, i should say, first of all a selfportrait. He bought, paid 10,000 for it, paid money from the donald trump foundation. There it is, very nice. Once you have charitable money, you have to use it for a charitable portion. Is this hanging on the wall of a childrens hospital, is it doing some charitable good out there . Through Crowd Sourcing<\/a> on t theenthe\rinternet, no, it was hang ng on the wall of the sports bar at doral. How is it built . Why now, what are the things that to you seem most significant about the case they build here . This is the result of a 20month investigation that began during 2016 as a result of some stories that we did, and they used they looked at emails, did depositions, they built this case showing that donald trump had misused his Charitable Foundation<\/a>, this foundation that had supposed to be tax exempt. Thats the kind of core of this. Right. The basic idea of this is that once you create a taxexempt foundation, you get tax benefits for putting money in there. Its not a pocket or wallet, a checkbook with your name on t. Its supposed to have independent directors, spend money for charitable good. Trump never grasped that. Even though that is the basic idea of charity law, he always used this foundation as basically just another checkbook where he could use it to write checks for things that he wanted. So as you said earlier, he used\rit several times to settle debts that his forprofit businesses had and paid as part of the settlement. He would use his foundation to save his businesses money. In the 2016 campaign, turned his foundation basically into an arm of his campaign. Phil rucker, how is this playing in the white house . The president has said any attempts to go after his businesses are a bright red line. Hes fought with democrats and new york politics for a long time. Well, and it dates back to the campaign and davids Great Reporting<\/a> during the campaign and the attitude inside the white house is trump won the election so nothing that had to do with the campaign doesnt matter any more. So all the issues with the women and porn stars and so forth is thats old news. Its not something we need to engage in. Clearly trump is bothered by it. Thats why we saw the tweets on friday or thursday, whatever day that was in reaction to the lawsuit. But i think in terms of the operations of the white house theyre not that concerned with it and theyre hoping that it will be sort of a nuisance that\rplays out on the side. Ken dilanian, whats your sense of this . Is there any piece of it in particular you think might have Lasting Impact<\/a> . What i wonder, maybe david knows the answer to this, does anyone have any criminal exposure to this . This seems so blatant to charity law. When does it rise to the level of you go to jail . They do not have under statute to bring criminal charges for misuse of a charity. When they put up this lawsuit, they sent referrals to the irs and federal Election Commission<\/a> both of which have that authority to bring criminal charges. One of the most interesting parts of this lawsuit was the language they use to describe trumps own conduct which was it was willful and knowing. He violated the laws in a willful and knowing manner. That is important because to prove a criminal charge in tax law, you have to prove that the defendant actually knew what the law was and violated it anyway. Willfulness is the standard and to use the word willful is the indication that the new york a. G. Thinks this might be criminal conduct and is sort of nudging others to follow it in that way. If the president is not going\rto settle the case, what are the options . Its funny he said that because he actually has settled parts of this case already. If you look through the lawsuit, a lost charges hes already said, yeah, i did that, ill pay the money back and ill pay a penalty tax on top of t. There is more they have accused him of that he doesnt want to settle on. There will be a lawsuit. He could be forced by a judge to pay millions of dollars in repayments and penalty taxes. He could also be banned from leading any nonprofit in new york state for ten years. So, the guy who is the leader of the free world wouldnt be able to be on the board of the Staten Island<\/a> little league. Good way to put it. The next consequence is after this new york a. G. Case will be the irs. Do they pursue something civilly against him, do they fine him, make him pay penalties, or is there a criminal charge down the road. David farenthold, thank you so much. Great reporting as always. Keep us posted. Philip rucker, ken dilanian, thank you both as well. Thanks, kasie. When we come back, states of play. Corey stewart with controversial\rcomments to say the least takes on tim kaine in virginia. In a state thats shown resistance to the president , does stewart stand a chance . He joins me live next. As we go to break, one of our favorite things on the show, the very quotable senator john kennedy. Ive never negotiated. The first thing did was walk in to my opponent and slap him and call him an ignorant slut. Hes crazy as a loon as well as being sly as a fox. 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On tuesday Corey Stewart<\/a> became the republican nominee to faceoff against democratic senator tim kaine. He gained National Attention<\/a> not only for his role on the Trump Campaign<\/a> where he was let go for staging a protest at the Rnc Headquarters<\/a> but his hard line stance on immigration in virginia. But trump took to twitter tuesday to congratulate stewart and say, quote, dont under estimate corey. Corey stewart is onset with me here now. Thank you for taking the time to be on the show. I want to start bysking you about the Republican Party<\/a> here in washington. Senator corey gardener that ones the National Senatorial Committee<\/a> said they will not endorse you, not back you, not give you money. Why do you think that is . I beat their guy. They took their best shot at me, but, you know, they spent a lot of money on my race trying to knock me off. Theyve been at me a long time. Ive been a strong supporter of the president. But theyre going to come around\rand theyre going to need to see momentum in my race to show it is competitive. It will get competitive. At that point theyll come around. Their guy the more moderate who you beat by a handful of Percentage Points<\/a> has called you a racist. He said that. Its not true. You know, i dont have a racist bone in my body. Why are you spending time with the organizer of the charlottesville rally . So, at that time i did not know that he was. It came out later. After we found out he was a racist, i wanted nothing else to do with him ever again. Now, you know, i need all my supporters. I want people to vote for me. But at the same time, i dont control whats in their hearts and minds. I only control whats in my heart and my mind. And i dont have a racist bone in my body and ts ts hard for people to believe that when they see you sitting with someone like that. Well, you know, you meet all kinds of people in politics, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people. You dont do a Background Check<\/a> on all the people you meet with. Paul, for example, when i complimented him he was the one running in was which is for paul ryans seat, totally antisemitic. When he ran in wisconsin against paul ryan, there were other conservatives supporting him who said nice things about him including the president you called him your personal hero. Ann coulter. But afterward and i did say those nice things about him. Afterward he came out, kind of lost his marbles and came out with antisemitic comments and i disavowed him and others did. You have a hard line on immigration as well. Do you think president shld be separating children from their families at the border . I dont think President Trump<\/a> is separating the Trump Administration<\/a> policy. They changed the policy. He could reverse it as Lindsey Graham<\/a> conservative said. There has been a law since president obama. I think its the right policy. The fact is we do have to\renforce the law, however, otherwise well have another humanitarian crisis at the border like we did a few years ago. A lot of those children came into my county. I know everything about it. We dont want to have that happen. We have to send the signal to everybody else South Of The Border<\/a> that if you come to the United States<\/a>, illegally, youre going to get arrested and yes, your children will be temporarily separated from you. As soon as you go back home how is that in the best interest of the children . How is that we have to have the question, though, is really what is in the best interest of the United States<\/a>. Thats our thats more important than these children . Absolutely. The policy of the United States<\/a>, Immigration Policy<\/a> must be whats right for america. Whats right for american workers, whats right for the United States<\/a>. Do you think that the policy of ripping these children away is a moral policy . I think its an unavoidable policy. I think the fact is that if you come to the United States<\/a> illegally and youre arrested lets be clear. These are people com here to ask for asylum which is a legal thing. They can, they have a legal pathway to apply for asylum. They have made months long journeys, sometimes with small children. They are crossing in places you arent supposed to stop. You dont see that as you can apply for asylum. You dont have to come to the United States<\/a> to apply for asylum. If you cross the border illegally, the president has made it clear hes going to enforce the law. Hes going to arrest the adults. That i believe in the end, it sounds terrible, but in the end it is terrible. Nobody wants to see children nobody wants to see that. Not conservatives, not liberals, nobody wants to see children separated from their parents. No question about that. Were in a tough position. If you dont enforce the law you will have a humanitarian crisis again of much greater magnitude than we have now. You have to enforce the law or across the border, more children without parents. You lost to ed gillespie who\ris governor who went on to he used racially tinged adds, highlighting ms13, immigrants were going to come out to get you. He tried to run on that in a statewide race and he lost. I think we can show you a little piece of that ad. Ms13 appears to be surging again. The ms13 gang lured the victim into a Fairfax County<\/a> park, stabbed him repeatedly. Committing violent and brutal crimes. Ms13 is a menace. Ralph northam voted in favor of Sanctuary Cities<\/a> that allowed dangerous immigrants back on the street increasing the threat of ms13. Ralph northams policies are dangerous. Im ed gillespie candidate for governor and i support this ad for a safer, stronger virginia. He used this campaign and lost in statewide virginia. What makes you think you can win . I think that ad was correct. I Didnt Support Everything<\/a> ed\rgillespie did i didnt ask you about the accuracy of the ad. That was his strategy. This is where im going to he can to us, Hit Immigration<\/a> as a Hot Button Issue<\/a> as hard as i can and make people afraid and he lost. The thing is that people didnt believe ed gillespie because it was kind of a strange term for turn for him. I have been dealing with this issue for 12 years now in Prince William<\/a> county. I led the nation in cracking down on illegal immigration. The citizens in my community were concerned that we had a lot of Illegal Immigrants<\/a> coming to our community. Not a lot of them, but a portion of them committing crimes and they wanted us to do something about it. We have an ms13 gang problem. 80 of ms13 gang members are Illegal Immigrants<\/a>. Would you support a nationwide policy like you implemented in your county where police required to check the identification and Immigration Status<\/a> of anyone they arrest . Yes, we confirm 100 of everybody who is in the jail, we confirm 100 of the Immigration Status<\/a>. If its a person who has been arrested for a crime and has been determined to be here illegally, we hand them over to i. C. E. For deportation. It is a common sense policy that focusses in on the criminal element. By the way, more than 8100 illegal aliens since the policy was put in place, not aingle case of racial profiling, not one. You said your opponent tim kaine hates america. What is it about him that makes you think he hates america . He does not support anything the president has done. And you think you dont support the president , you dont support america . Not based on that. He thinks only of himself. Hes thinking only about his own left wing ideology. If you ask yourself this question, what has tim kaine ever done, whats his reported the past six years . He has president had one significant accomplishment. And now instead of supporting the president and reducing taxes, bringing back business, bringing back manufacturing, securing the border, doing all these good things, bringing peace to i think most people would\rargue virginias economy has been doing well. Under President Trump<\/a>. In part well, it was on a path to do that under president obama. In fact this area Northern Virginia<\/a> in particular has been doing relatively well especially compared to the rest of the country. Northern virginia has been shielded protected we have a lot of government here, but the rest of virginia has been suffering, and its been suffering because weve had aned am the Obama Administration<\/a> that has been taxing businesses andiandic making it more difficult for businesses to come back. We have a president who has done that and you see manufacturing returning to the country in a way not since the 1950s. Back to the original question, do you think tim kaine hates america . Yes, when you care about yourself a lot more than the interest of the United States<\/a>. I tweeted a photo shopped image of tame kaines son who was arrested on an antitrump protest, retweeted this image. This is misleading to voters. This never happened. This image here, senator kaine on the senate floor never happened. Do you think this misleading to people who follow you . The photo of his son is real. Its a real photo of his son, not have the hammer and sickle in the original version. That is photo shopped onto a poster of tim kaine. Obviously that is a clear photo shop. Why would you spread that . Let me ask you this, okay. His son gets arrested in minneapolis, for a riot. Hes rioting in conjunction with the trump rally, there are people who are arrested and he should have been prosecuted but instead, tim kaine gets him off and he said that he loves the fact there is no evidence that tim kaine got him off. Lets be obvious, clear, if that was not a powerful mans son he would have been in jail today. The thing is that tim kaine said he loves the fact that his kids are involved in politics, right after this incident. I thought that was ridiculous. Says more about tim cakaine and\rhis son. I apologize because im saying it on fathers day but it was bad parenting. One was in the United States<\/a> marine corps as far as anyone hating america. Corey stewart thank you for the coming. The much more on the higrant families separated at the border. Ill speak with senators about the tour they finished today of a center in south texas. Two motorcycles, a boat, and an r. V. I would not want to pay that insurance bill. 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