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MSNBCW Melissa Harris-Perry August 24, 2014

News out of the San Francisco area. More than 50,000 people are out of power right now after an earthquake with a 6. 0 magnitude over the bay area this morning. The epicenter five miles north of napa county. There have been gas line breaks and water main breaks and reports of fires and a Medical Center reports many medical injuries. Stay with msnbc for the latest. Now to the latest in ferguson, missouri. Tomorrow, Michael Browns parents will bury their child. It will have been more than two weeks since he was killed by a Ferguson Police officer. Tomorrow, Michael Brown will be remembered as a son, a grandson, as a cousin, as a big brother and as a friend. He will likely be remembered as someone who was quiet and gentle with a sharp sense of humor, who loved music, particularly hiphop, and who planned to own his own business. The man child who was 64, but had a baby face. A kid who had struggled, but still managed to graduate from High School Just a week before his death. Catching up on his credited over the summer. He will be remembered as an 18yearold boy. Thats going to be a nice change. After stories and headlines suggesting Michael Brown wasnt exactly an innocent victim, mondays service no one will imply that Michael Brown was not innocent because he may have stolen cigars from a Convenience Store or because he may have had marijuana in his system or because he rapped about things that young boys rap about. And that, therefore, his death, should not outrage us. Because brown was killed while he was unarmed. And while we dont know all the facts, we do know that even if he did stole cigars or smoked marijuana or liked hiphop, none mean he had to be eshot to death. The victim is not perfect, it is easier to dole the public outrage in response to injustice. Civil right leaders have known and grappled with this for a long time. Nine months before rosa parks refused to give up her seat in montgomery, alabama. Holden did the same thing. Holden was 15 years old when she refused to move for a white person. She was hauled off the bus and arrested. But the Civil Rights Community leaders in montgomery did not want to take up her case although they were looking for a case to challenge segregation on city buses. A victim like rosa parks, but not a perfect face for the movement. She was a teenager, poor and soon after her arrest, pregnant. Rosa parks, on the other hand, well, as dr. Martin luther king later wrote, mrs. Parks was the ideal for the role assigned to her by history. Both women, victims of aggressive policing of segregation, but it is parks who was championed by local activists launching the montgomery busboy. We must not ignore stories like hers and Michael Browns because even though theyre not perfect they have a perfect right to seek justice. Joining me now on the plans to honor Michael Brown is richard lui. What is the mood in ferguson this morning . Good morning to you, melissa. You talk about that mark of history and they understand where they will stand or can stand. Last night we had reports from captain ron johnson who was so often talked about many of those illusions that you were just referencing. Only six arrests as he put it overnight. Otherwise, it was calm. This is a move towards that ark of healing. Looking at monday, tomorrow, and that funeral service. And part of that Movement Towards healing is community policing. Yesterday we had the opportunity right around the corner here, we were down by the apartment complex where mike brown lived and about 1,000 bags of food was being delivered, not only by community organizations, some of which are religious, but also Police Officers. And this filled an 18wheeler and lieutenant lore from the st. Louis Police Department had to say this about what theyre trying to do. Obviously, were trying to take some steps to show them that were people like theyre people. Obviously, try to provide some assistance for them. This is stressful for not only us but the persons who live here. Citizens that live here that feel like they have been confined to their homes since the turmoil. We want to bridge build those bridges back up. And part of that, melissa, is that the Ferguson Police department itself, although three officers i was told by the organizer wanted to be part of the distribution decided not to be. However, the other three Police Forces were there. Ten of them total. Part of that tension, if you will, still existing. You can look at todays paper new life amid chaos. Again, describing how despite moving towards healing, there is still some opportunity here to understand what those different backdrops are. Out of bounds. The very front page. They list all of the counties. All the municipalities in this area with at least 10 africanamerican population. And then they put next to that the number or the percentage of africanamerican Police Officers. There is only one municipality right down here out of the 31 that have equal or more representation. I bring this up because today is the day before the Memorial Service and this is that backdrop. Theyre going to forget tomorrow for a moment, perhaps, giving honor to Michael Brown. About 5,000 seats will be available at that location and we understand from the church that 485 of the immediate and extended family will be there. And i got to speak with one of them yesterday and that was mikes grandfather. His grandfather, big daddy, and his grandfather calling mike, mike mike. I want this done because i have not slept that way ain two week looked that way. Having to say goodbye to him tomorrow is going to be very, very difficult. Melissa . Richard, thank you for your reporting on the ground. Indeed, theres been a lot of questions that well continue to discuss. Many of the things you set up for us there. All eyes are on that family and we know for those of us who have buried the ones that we love the funeral often brings new kind of pain and agony. So, all eyes at this point will hopefully be on the healing for the family in the short term. Thank you, richard. Thats right. Joining me now is elan james white, hes a writer, hes a creator of the Award Winning web series and hes been on the ground in ferguson. Political director to russell simmons. Associate professor at university of pennsylvania and cofounder of the nonprofit a long walk hope and kye wright. So nice to see you all. So, hearing from richard, the language about Community Healing and i guess part of the challenge as we are asking about this question of the perfect victim and whether or not a victim has to be perfect. So, is this healing, this attempt to heal, is it a band aid over a much deeper wound . Do we need to do some work of cleaning out that wound first before we put a band aid on it . Yeah. I think that part of it is we have to think about these moments where you have a huge outcry over an individual and start thinking about how they can be about more than healing around that individual death, right . And also more how it can be about more than prosecuting a prosecutor and Police Officer and how it can speak to, if the question is what is justice for mike brown and before that what was justice for oscar grant . Is it a prosecution or is it recreating a policing style that makes it possible for mike brown to walk down in the middle of the street without being harassed. Interesting you bring up oscar grant. Think about what is going to happen to Michael Brown, this kind of public, he now belongs to all of us in this kind of public way and the way sean bell and others do. The recent film in which we get to see sort of the light of this young man on that 24 hours before he is killed at the b. A. R. T. Station and i wonder about this work of needing to actually go back and reproduce these young men as people in order for us to feel the outrage about their death. Almost immediately, though, this is the kind of response. If they gun me down, what picture will they use . We saw it over social media where people were showing pictures of themselves in their High School Graduation or College Graduation or in their Armed Service uniforms and then we all take a kind of silly and why must the victim be perfect for this to have been an injustice . In the ways in which oscar grants life was seen as complex, as contradictory and as messy and, also, here we have Michael Brown. Adolescent, right. Thats part of being a teenager in American Society anyway. Unfortunately what happens when the victim of Racial Injustice is being vilified by the police or by the media, the response is to kind of cover up that messiness and make the person sanitize or make them perfect. I think one important departure of this generation and i think all of us from the Civil Rights Movement is to think about victims of Racial Justice as not being perfect. They cant be. Part of the goal of the Civil Rights Movement is to restore the notion of black humanity and it means also that we dont deserve to be killed as a result of minor crimes, if at all any crimes. We dont even know with Michael Brown. I think thats why that hashtag and those pictures are so important. Politics and respectability that were necessary in the 1960s. It is a call for more complex understanding in the presence. In response to the perfect victim, what constitute the perfect, and the way that gender functions. So we have a line from Trayvon Martin to Michael Brown. And, so, we have perfect victims that we need to push back. We also have to think about the racialized gender notion of the perfect that we organize around and people we leave behind as a result. As you talk about that, as the sort of notion of martyr and part of what i have found heartening about the response of young people on the ground is it it did not seem to be a need to put on the white gloves of sunday morning to show up for the protests. That there was a sense of, we are coming as we are, as we dress, who we are in our full, messy selfexpression as black urban youth and, nonetheless, saying you dont have a right to tear gas us. You dont have a right to impose a curfew on us and shoot us on the way to grandmothers house and in a moment well see a break in that protesting so that ordinary people on the ground have a right to say, this is my country, too. Out there this was not the first time Something Like this had happened. When you speak to people and speak to the community, actually, they pointed out that mike brown were at this particular point and they had been living under the extreme circumstances for quite some time. When they came out to speak up and say, we are not going to allow stuff like this to happen, there was no other way to do it. There was no, like an organization or to come in and make this work. No, were tired of this actually happeni happening. When they asked about the police or the band aid. To me, i would argue its less of a band aid and more salt in the wound because these people have actually been watching. This is something that in the area, like they report and in ferguson, there is three warrants for every household. Every household in ferguson. So, youre looking at a community that has been like brutalized by the police for not just the past two weeks, but for years. So now youre seeing the response from that community saying were tired of this and were going to stand up. Our humanity is important and then we have to watch for two weeks the police say actually its not important, youre vermin. Goes beyond ways of just shooting you. Well stay on this and well get you in. Another Deadly Police shooting in the st. Louis area this week. But the reaction was very different. When we come back, just how much can happen in 23 seconds. Deser. At humana, we believe the gap will close when healthcare gets simpler. When frustration and paperwork decrease. When grandparents get to live at home instead of in a home. So lets do it. Lets simplify healthcare. Lets close the gap between people and care. Where the reward was that what if tnew car smelledit card and the freedom of the open road . A card that gave you that im 16 and just got my first car feeling. Presenting the buypower card from capital one. Redeem earnings toward part or even all of a new chevrolet, buick, gmc or cadillac with no limits. So every time you use it, youre not just shopping for goods. Youre shopping for something great. Learn more at buypowercard. Com [guy] i know what youre youre thinking beneful. [announcer]beneful has wholesome grains,real beef,even accents of spinach,carrots and peas. [guy] you love it so much. Yes you do. But its good for you, too. [announcer] healthful. Flavorful. Beneful. From purina. In ferguson a young black man shot to death a few miles away in st. Louis. The deadly encounter caught on tape on a sixminute cell phone video. The person behind the camera starts rolling before the Police Arrive. He just straight put him on the ground. Man, this is crazy. The man in the video has allegedly stolen two drinks from a Convenience Store. He didnt try to make a run for it, he placed the drinks nicely on the sidewalk and apparently waited. Throughout the video people dont be aafraid of his pacing and the steady stream of curses he is saying but then the Police Arrive. And even as they get there, the person filming does not seem to expect that it will end in powells death. Even as the cops get out of the car and quickly draw their guns. The police are going to pull up and, you all call the police . Get your hands out of your pocket just 23 seconds after the Police Arrive, powell is dead. Hed apparently walked towards the officers and repeatedly yelled shoot me. The officers opened fire. We will not show you that part of the video. Want to point out that the person filming along with the other witnesses and bystanders is in disbelief. In particular, because of what had been happening in ferguson for more than a week after Michael Brown was killed by a Police Officer. Shoot somebody at a time like this. Thet sh shooting of powell happened 2 1 2 miles from where brown was shot. There was calm. Things there were the way they usually are when the police use deadly force, on average, at least 400 times a year. Some of the difference may lie in how the police reacted. Not the Ferguson Police or the county police weve seen in ferguson began speaking to the community almost immediately. Within an hour and a half the st. Louis police chief sam datsun was holding a News Conference at the scene of the shooting. Powell was brandishing a knife. Thats not completely clear in the video. He was moving towards the officers at close range when they opened fire. The officers are giving the suspect verbal commands, stop, drop the knife, stop, drop the knife. The suspect moved towards the passenger at which time he came within three to four feet of the officer and the officer shot. Both officers fired their weapons striking the suspect and the suspect is deceased. It was the Police Department that released cell phone video that we just watched just a day after the shooting they also released 911 calls and quickly responded to criticism about discrepancy before the initial versions of the event and the video. How close powell was to the officers when they opened fire. However, police still have not released the names of the officers who shot powell. The shooting is under investigation but remains debate over whether the officers could have done something else. For example, use their tasers to subdue powell instead of, or at least before firing their handg handguns. Still, getting information out as soon as possible seems to have the desired effect, instead of protests calm in the streets of st. Louis and the streets there have been increasingly peaceful. When we come back, i want to ask my panel, is transparency the same thing as accountability . And is peace as good as justice . Copd includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema. Spiriva is a oncedaily inhaled. Copd maintenance treatment. That helps open my airways for a full 24 hours. You know, spiriva helps me breathe easier. Spiriva handihaler tiotropium bromide inhalation powder does not replace rescue inhalers for sudden symptoms. Tell your doctor if you have kidney problems, glaucoma, trouble urinating, or an enlarged prostate. These may worsen with spiriva. 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