Leader not holding back. I thought the reference to my favorite punk scaband, insane. What was it . Malignant clown show. Malignant clown show. A good one best 1990s bunk scaband out there. Close cousin to the Insane Clown Posse out of detroit. Yeah, of course. Fantastic. That a Malignant Clown show. This as Top Republican in the Senate Releases an fbi memo that fails to prove any, any, of the accusations against President Joe Biden and his son hunter. And the people said, oh, how nice. The republicans now have their own steele dossier. Yeah. Plus, Kevin Mccarthy made a secret promise to trump. And speaking of the form period well play his ominous comments that seem to be calls for a january 6 response to his legal issues. Heres the problem. Willie a lot of problems there there are a lot of problems but he needs to read the room. This does not help him with jack smith. I dont know. Maybe this helped him with a Contract Dispute in new jersey when hed throw words around like that. Threatening stuff. Doesnt help with jack smith. Does it . No. I had the same thought when i heard that last night, which is, youre about, likely, about to be indicted for part of the indictment, for inciting a riot. It would be wild, Everything Else getting people to go to the capitol and now sort of implying that your supporters might do that again, if the Justice Department does, in fact, indict you. Not the best legal strategy, though. I dont even know which lawyers he has around him anymore if they can mention that to him, but it doesnt appear to be breaking through any legal advice he may be getting. Hes just going to keep being him. Its a Malignant Clown show. With us, former white house Director Of Communications, of President Obama. Jennifer palmieri and Associate Editor of the Washington Post and msnbc political analyst Eugene Robinson and white house editor for politico sam stein, filling in for the very, very lazy jonathan lemire. Wow. Seriously. How many days is that guy going to take off . Your words. Your words. Yeah. So lazy. This might be the second second day in five years hes taken off . I dont know. Now, look. We have sam and what do we call that . A Malignant Clown show. Oh, stop thats terrible. Im joking. Joking. Listen, so so we have Everybody Whining how joe bidens going to do so terribly, and Everybody Whining about a thirdparty candidate. Everybody whining about everything, because this is what the democrats do. Well and the Obama Administration when their campaign talked about bedwetting. Excessive bedwetting going on there and we showed a poll yesterday showing tnt losing by five points to joe biden, 4944 . Another came out, media showed joe biden crushing donald trump even with a thirdparty candidate. Interesting part. Despite having concerns, new polling shows most americans are not open to voting for a thirdparty ticket in 2024. In the latest Monmouth University survey just 30 of registered voters say they would definitely or probably consider Voting Third Party, if biden and trump are the leading names on the to 24 ballot. As for how a nameless Third Party Ticket could impact a 2024 rematch between the current and former president , the poll shows it may actually help biden without a thirdparty option, the Sho S Biden Beating Trump by seven points. 37 to 40 . With a thirdparty ticket on the ballot, bidens victory over trump grows to 9 points. 37 to 28 . So so, willie, looking at this. First of all, i mean, this is the second day we have polls out that show joe biden easily beating donald trump. Thumping him. On this thirdparty ballot, we all think its going to hurt joe biden, hurt joe biden, people are with donald trump. Doesnt look that way here and in other polls. Looks like people are saying, i dont like donald trump at all. Give me another option. Ill never vote for joe biden. Ill never vote for a democrat, but give me a thirdparty option. We see there, there are actual softness in Donald Trumps numbers and joe biden looking better than ever. Yeah. That cuts against the conventional wisdom. Everything weve been hearing which is if someone like joe manchin were to jump in the race it would only hurt joe biden and hope to get donald trump reelected to be president. Curious how you read into those numbers, because every other poll weve seen says people dont like the matchup. They dont like the choices. They dont want donald trump against joe biden and they dont want to see this movie again. And yet when you actually put the question directly to them, 30 of them want to see a third party, but it actually helps joe biden and, again in that headtohead, i think it was seven points again, the one we saw yesterday was five points. You have joe biden up seven points in this Monmouth Poll over donald trump. For all the panicking, as joe says, going on in the democratic party. The numbers look pretty good for joe biden. Looking at my phone, because i already have two Text Messages from democrats who i dont like to use the term bedwetting because i find it crude, who are freaking out about this poll, because that is what democrats do, joe. Youre right. We do freak out, but its also while were still a Republic Standing because we overworry about elections and whats going to happen in them. This is interesting. Not sure i trust it. The first time ive seen a poll where theres a thirdparty option that did benefit biden as opposed to trump. Although, or at least didnt hurt biden, but there is a lot of concern that if you have, that trumps numbers, and every other poll ive seen this, are very strong. If you have, there are people have a thirdparty option, that that is likely to take away from biden, because biden is winning some disgruntled republicans and independents over. Now, continuing in the role of the party pooper here for democrats ill say talking about the poll from yesterday, which had biden winning 4945 over trump. A national poll. Thats great. Look at Battleground States. Use wisconsin as an example. Got to get to 270. These states are not static. Theyre changing. So wisconsin, for example, has a higher level of white, noncollege educated voters in 2024 than it had in 2020. That cohort of voters has favored trump as opposed to biden. So these poll numbers are all great, but, you know,y still have to, got to get to 270 and theres concerns about when you look underneath the hood, what are those numbers like in each of these Battleground States . In terms of the third party, you know, only 30 open to voting for a, you know, either thirdparty option, but jill stein only needed to get in a very, the very small digits of support in wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania to win the election for donald trump. So i think the third Party Remains still a very, very significant threat to joe biden. Yeah. Yeah. The ptsd is strong with this one. There is no post about it, joe. Its just traumatic stress. Exactly it is it is traumatic stress. Sam why didnt she just say on the two best days of polling for joe biden, why didnt she just say, we dont deserve good things. Where republicans say, we may not deserve it but were going to take it. That when you see these polls youre looking at it going, well, this is a trend line in a positive direction you know . Happy days are here again. When you look at, when i look at wisconsin what do i see . A judges race conservatives called the most important race in that state, in a decade and democrats won by 11 points. Yes, things are not static. Things are breaking. Maybe its because im not a democrat. Im still an independent. So im not overly negative yet. Things are breaking, in democrats way. Won by a landslide in wisconsin in Supreme Court judicial race republicans called the most important race of their time. Democrats won in kansas. They won in kentucky on abortion. They have so many things breaking their way. Not just the indictments, but the overturning of roe. So many things good going in their direction and donald trump is looking crazier and crazier every day. Why i always i dont talk about National Polls usually. I talk about the suburbs of atlanta. Theyll never go for trump again. It suburbs of philly will never go to trump again. Of milwaukee, never go for trump again. Especially postroe, and i hope the power of positive thinking did not trigger jen or any other democrats out there, but, look. Its okay to be happy. Its okay to smile. Its okay no, its not. Its okay to be positive, sam. No, its not. Oh, oh. Hell no. First of all let me agree with jen. Bed wetting is a crude disgusting term and should be banished from the airwaves. Never mention it again. Secondly, jen did make, you know, i think, a very valid if not cup half empty case for democrats heading into 2024. It is a race in certain states. Its not a national race. Right . You have to look at wisconsin and pennsylvania. And this, i guess, would be a question i would sort of direct to eugene here which is, if you look at that thirdparty ticket, right, and scared about it, its theres no you have to look at two thirdparty tickets. The manchin one, no labels. It would draw centrists away from biden. And the other, cornell, take a couple points. A few key thousand votes in critical states away from biden in what jen is reliving sort of a jill stein scenario. Right . I dont want to trig ter again, but that is what happened. You are plugged in, eugene, you know the people. Which do they fear the most . Do they fear the the manchintype run or do they fear the cornel west small Percentage Points liberal enthusiasm just being drained from them . Well, the answer, of course, because theyre democrats, is both. You know . But before i get to that, though, let me im shocked we havent yet mentioned, 12 minutes into the show, we havent mentioned the one real, big story In Washington today, which is the nfl owners approved the sale of the Washington Football team. The commanders. Oh, yeah. Dan snyder. The Long National nightmare is over. And you know, everything is bright and sunny again. Yes so right. Our Malignant Clown show is over. So so lets all, you know, how can anybody have negative thoughts on a day like that . Its just its amazing. Good question. Third party . My general view has been that a third party would probably hurt joe biden, but now we have some data indicating maybe it wouldnt. I think thats a good thing. And i think the polling has been good harks just been good for biden, and im perfectly willing to say, you know, great and and spend the day not worrying. My resolution for the day is not to worry, and to celebrate the end of a terrible era here In Washington football. There you go, gene. Thats the spirit. Been almost a quarter century under the Snyder Family with the redskins commanders now officially its over, gene. Congrats to you. Talking about this interview donald trump did earlier this week. It was in iowa, a radio show in iowa. The former president asked about the possibility of jail time stemming from special counsel jack smiths investigation. Here is trumps answer. Is it something that concerns you of, you know, of the people making sure that they dont go out of their right mind, if Something Like that happens . Because i know what im thinking of could happen if that, for example, they do, say jack smith says okay. I am going to put donald trump in jail . I think its a very dangerous thing to even talk about. Okay. Because we do have a tremendously passionate group of voters and i mean, maybe you know, maybe 100, 150, never seen anything like it. Much more passion in 2020 and much more passion than they had in 2016. I think it would be very dangerous. Joe, much more passion than they had in 2020 implying it could be even worse than you saw around the 2020 election. Obviously just appallingly dangerous stuff to say given the recent history in this country and also as you pointed out earlier, very stupid, as he perhaps comes under indictment here for the events around the 2020 election. Yeah. I dont know if donald trump understands. What do you think hes doing . Hes talking like a mobster. It would be a shame, dangerous for jack smith. Wouldnt want to riot. And theyre more dangerous now than in 2020 or 2016. Could be worse. Gene, hes just so stupid. He really is. Yeah, yeah. He just doesnt understand. Hes going up against the feds. He doesnt understand that he cant bully and bluster and threaten his way out of criminal charges that are coming, because he broke the law. Because he stole Nuclear Secrets, because he stole secret plans to attack iran, because he stole secret military secrets, because he has, people all around him, all around him, on January The 6th, that are testifying against him. No democrats. No moderate republicans. All trumpers all the trump everybody that he ever hired has gone before the grand jury. Everybody that was around him January The 6th went before the grand jury. All trumpers. And hes going to be charged for some of the most serious crimes in america, and his response . His response, instead of talking to his lawyers saying, hey. Get me a deal. I dont know what its going to look like, but get me a deal. Because theyve got me dead. My own people are people testifying against me. Get me a deal. Instead of that he goes on an iowa radio show and like a mobster threatens jack smith. Has he not looked at pictures of jack smith . This guy looks like the judge on andor all right . Yes, yes. He looks like the guy who takes the good guy from the star wars galaxy and throws him into jail for life. He doesnt understand. Im scared. You just scared me by putting this picture up. Like what does he think . Does he think jack smith is going to be intimidated by moblike threats, gene . Yeah. And thats not going to happen. Looks like a, jack smith, looks like a pretty intense guy and like hes not going to take any of this from donald trump. I think trump just doesnt know what else to do. He obviously sees the walls closing in on him. The indictments coming. Someone must have told him, let him know what the Conviction Rate is in federal court, which is well over 90 of defendants who were charged either get guilty or convicted, and it is this is a, a tough situation for him, and rather than, than make a deal, and rather than try to, you know, somehow keep his freedom, he does this. It can only make things worse for him. It can only make things worse for him, but he just doesnt know what else to do. Doesnt no better. Hes going to run harder and harder and harder to win the esidency so he can try to pardon himself. Thats i think thats his ultimate move. Its reminiscent of The Stand Back and stand by that he said to the crowd. Theres a lot of i think, i agree with joe on this one point. Although heilemann texted me to say not to let you mao, mao, me about the Monmouth Poll. Said what he said yesterday, very moblike. Right . But he did another interview earlier in the week where he was asked, seems like he kind of liked these indictments. He said, no, it bothers me. A little moment of vulnerability he was showing that, know, this stuff is getting to him. Well, coming up were going to actually by the way, John Heilemann also texting me. What did he say . Lazy . He says that, of course, also just talking about the poll. Disturbs him theres a poll that actually shows thing, going well for joe biden. Also a message from Debbie Dingell for you when we have a moment, about that. Oh, oh, boy so no, no, no. So does debbie think that bidens going to lose michigan because if she does, i mean, i will bet her, like, a couple of detroit Tiger Baseball tickets against red sox tickets that bidens going to win michigan if he goes up against trump. So i think bidens going to win michigan if he i think biden is going to win reelection, win michigan, win wisconsin, win pennsylvania. But it does mean its going to be easy or by five points. What debbie wants you to know is, she says, im not bedwetting. Im in union halls, in union halls is really, its concerning. The president of the uaw is, uaws up for grabs. Trump spoke with them. Biden spoke with them. Theyre trying to win them over. I still think in the end this is going to be okay, because democrats do get it together, but, you know, these states are concerning. How you asked questions about the thirdparty candidate matters a lot. Well, you know, i feel really good about the thirdparty states. Again, i feel good about the thirdparty states because donald trump did worse in them in 2020 than in 2016. And in 2022, you look at all of the swing states. They broke. A lot more for democrats and that they did for republicans. The same, not bedwetting. What do we call it . The same ptsd. Yes. Gripped the democratic party. All we heard, willie, the red wave. Hand wringing. A good one. Oh, theres going to be a red wave. I dont mika does it seem like a red wave to you . She said, no, it doesnt seem validate how you feel. I validate how everybody feels. Okay . Willie, here are the thing. I will say this. Im glad the democrats are panicked when the sun comes can out and dan snyder leaves the washington what