It is the top of the hour isnt it . This prison break crazy. Yes, it is. Thats why were starting with it. No, were not. Willie and i are not seeing it. Willie and i had actually done this in turkey in 78. The prison bars are a little different. I want to start with it. I still have a lot of questions. Its got a lot of questions. Inside. No one heard the power tools cutting metal in the middle of the night . They squeezed through a pipe . Really . And theyre out there and theyre incredibly dangerous. You know who else is dangerous . Isis. What is this . Oh we got an animation. Wow. Alex explain the joke. See, this is like hard to even imagine that it was carried out. And it happened. Look at that. Look at the pipe. They cut through the there are several things they had to cut through going to the pipe. Then the manhole coverings itself, was chained closed on the inside. How did they get out . Its like houdini. Im serious. Come on somebody is helping inside. There is help. You hear that plane is still missing, too the malaysian plane. Its different. No its actually much less significant. Its a fascinating story. I really am so we have the justices rejecting, siding with the white house. Seinfeld is saying some things mit want to hear. Isis is significant as well. What about turkey . Huh, that election crazy . But Jeb Bush Campaign shakeup there. Thats pretty significant. Im not one that thinks our particular template of democracy is appropriate for every other country. The idea that we could fashion a democracy in iraq seemed to me unrealistic. I was concerned about it. Fascinating. We begin with president obama. Hes back home at the white house this morning. But washington is still buzzing about comments he made at the g 7 summit about the fight against isis. We want to get more Iraqi Security forces trained, fresh, well equipped and focused. A finalize plan is presented to me by the pentagon then i will show it to the American People. We dont yet have a complete strategy requires commitment on the part of the iraqis as well. How recruitment takes place, how that training takes place. So the details of that are fought yet worked out. The pentagon later said those comments were only referring to the training and equipment of iraqi forces. It did not help matters that president obama was also criticized for making a similar remark nine months ago about fighting isis in syria. I dont want to put the cart before the horse. We dont have a strategy yet. I think what ive seen in some of the news reports suggests that folks are getting a little further ahead of where we are. But there is no point in me asking for action on the part of congress before i know exactly what it is that is going to be required for us to get the job done. Willie geist, you helped mastermind the plan for dday. Operation overlord. That was a good one. So you obviously understand the importance of actually having a game plan when you are fighting the enemy. I think its remarkable to hear him actually say it out loud. We dont have a complete strategy. In 2014 and again if 2015. Then he went on to talk about how the iraqi army is not repaired. He said we have enough iraqi soldiers to get up to sped so they can fight isis. He basically said in a different way what ash carter said a few weeks ago an got in trouble perhaps saying the iraqi army is not up to the task. Everybody that comes on the set that is an expert that has been over there from dexter philkin, i say him because he was there in afghanistan before afghanistan was the center of American Foreign policy. Everybody says the same thing. Iraqi forces cant be trained to beat isis. There is no iraqi forces. Dexter says everybody he talks to in iraq is Something Else. Theyre not iraqi. Theyre sunni, shia, from a tribe, this or that and a unified army talking about that thats total copout. Sayingee not talking about the president , republicans say it on the campaign trail, everybody says what we need to do is train the iraqi army. Thats copout. Ayman, its a copout again because iraq is not iraq. Kurds will fight for what they spleev kurdistan. But the sunnis who basically made up the backbone of saddam husseins army the entire military infrastructure will never fight for a centralized government that is run, in part by the iranians will they . I think its a little more complex. I think on the surface thats a key factor. Keep in mind for decades the Iraqi National identity was dominated by saddam hussein, certainly the baathist corps made up of sunnis. In the wake of the 2003 invasion, that was up ended. Now they are trying to bring them back together with a national identity. I think thats much harder than anyone would have predicted. You also have the iranians that have their interest. They are fighting for group interests and those will ayman, thats kind of what i said. So do you say it was more complicated than what i said just to make you look smart . Im just curious . Maybe you agree with me. No, i can never look smarter than you, joe. Oh. More aman byebye. Hold on a second. I guess what i was trying to say is its not just. There are times when there is a convergence of interests and there are times where its not simply about sunni and shias. Right. You now have a big part of the Iraqi Government that is shyia but why arent the shias fighting why are they preferring to fight in militias . So its not purely about why is that . I think you have right now the religious aspect of many of these leaders, including, you know, the iranian interests in the country that are making it difficult for the National Army to emerge as a single fighting force. Yeah. Thats why i was saying its not purely along sectarian lines, wherever there is a sunni shia divide. In some cases, there are shia secular divide. There is a shia shia divide. In is a sunni, sunni divide. Ayman said it right. There is chaos. You got shia that dont want to be an extension of the iranian, you get moderate sunnis that would actually like to push back isis. Theyre not going to push back isis if it helps iranian backed shia militia take over their towns. Its total chaos. And totally definitely a way to make you go down a notch intellectually. I can do that on my own. The sniffing glue thing really did not. Let me put into context rumsfeld. What about Donald Rumsfeld. Former secretary Donald Rumsfeld made that notable admission about the iraq war, which i mentioned at the top. Can we go a second welly and mimi ka and i got to stop calling you. Last week we were the green meanies. Right. Now its i like this better. By the way, did i not look like tony soprano that, gleam thing. I walk around. You get bunched up. You dont want me to talk about Donald Rumsfeld. I do. This is fascinating. It is. Rumsfeld i killed rumsfeld for a loot of thingst of things that he did. Rumsfeld actually did say to some of the people in the very beginning, okay if we won the war, lets get out, guy, you know, but everybody is saying oh if you broke it you own it. But rumsfeld was like were not occupiers, lets do what we do and then get out. There was a lot of criminal for the strategy there. Terrible strategy. He served under president bush from 2001 to 2006 and tells the british newspaper the times that the 43rd president was wrong to try to build a democracy in iraq. He says in part im not one that thinks our particular template of democracy appropriate for other countries at every moment of their histories. The idea that we could fashion a democracy in iraq seemed to me unrealistic. I was concerned about it when i first heard those words. You know its all going to be written in the history books. You look at the chaos thats happened in the middle east and thats an architect. Thats one thing most of the architects of the iraq war have held if i recall and completely acted as if nothing is going on nothing has changed. Hes saying he shouldnt have. Isnt that stunning. I think he is saying we shouldnt have tried to build a democracy there. What else are we going to do once we went in . Go in there and cut it up and leave . Thats exactly what we still got now, something you cannot solve. It would have better not to go in. I agree with you. I think most sane rational people womanly, would agreement there are a few holdouts. Hiding under the failed japanese in the islands in 1953 still waiting to kill macarthur when they get a good shot. Rumsfeld is not saying the invasion is mistake. He couldnt possibly say that because of his role if getting the country ready for that. I think its odd that hes singleing out george w. Bush as if george w. Bush unilaterally made the decision to bring democracy to iraq. There was obviously a whole cab net full of people. Just a week before his scheduled announcement, jeb bush is shaking up his campaign for the white house. In the surprise move the former Florida Governor tapped republican strategist danny diaz as his campaign manager. This after last januarys hiroshimaing of ira operative david cokele who is expected to head the campaign. The exploratory phase has not met expectations. His aggressive fundraising and network of powerful Family Friends has not kept rivals out of the race. Something his opponents acknowledge. Among the donors he is mic jagger and the beet beatles rolled into one. No one won without at least one of those three. That is certainly history. Its an interesting challenge for a number of these other challenges, you look at the media describes yeb bush frequently as the front runner. It becomes an interesting question when you ask, which of those states does he win . Frankly, i thought jeb was going to suck all the air out of the room and it just hasnt happened. No hit on jeb. No hit on you, jeb. I like him. Dont you love casey . Hes funny. He is funny. You know ted cruz is doing something, ted cruz is a smart guy because i think most people are now trying to figure out, where discuss jeb win . Go see a win in iowa . I dont think there are a lot of people that think he wins there. Does he win in New Hampshire . Does he win in South Carolina . So basically ted cruz is saying you cant just be this 800 pound gorilla and lose race after race after race. And so i think its going to be tough for him. That said the one thing he has going for them if there are 20 candidates in there, you got to bush name and everybody else. He holds 20 , he wins. He letsz them fight on the side. He raise more money than anybody else. He isnt in the race yet. He gets in on monday. Lets go before jeb bush launches the campaign. He is headed overseas. He will spend the next five days in three countries in europe t. Senior White House Correspondent kristjansen, what is on governor bushs agenda over there . Reporter yeah, a busy day today. He will start with a couple meetings over the next couple day, the centerpiece comes later today, willie when he is giving a speech its an economic conference, but its sponsored by chancellor Angela Merkels party. This is the rite of passage for candidates. You have to come over to europe. You have to look like you can be president ial. You have to look statesmanlike. A good photo op. The second part that scott walker and Chris Christie learned the hard way, be careful what you say. Dont mess up. Both of them had their issues within they came over here as we saw with the last republican nominee, when he made some comments about london. Having said that jeb bushs folks who clearly have acknowledged that they have only problems in their campaign are hoping this will start them on a new footing. I just finished talking to the Foreign Policy spokesperson for Angela Merkels party. A couple interesting things ability this. First of all, its no surprise to hear that he carries sort of the baggage and the good parts of having that family name here as he has in the United States cant get away from it. All of germany loves his dad, he was a big part of the reunification process. They associate him with us coming down at the wall. However, on the other hand they were not happy with his brother who had at one point i think in 2008 less than 5 Approval Rating here. Hes going to have to come in here like he is going around the United States, show he is his own man and hes the one that can lead america at a time of difficulty around the world, willie. Yeah, germany, poland estonia, the three countries on the agenda kristjanchris jansen in germany. Reporter can i say one more thing . Really interesting is Angela Merkel will be speaking at this conference the president of finland and estonia, nobody would pay to see them. But theyre paying the equivalent of about 350 american dollars to see jeb bush and it sold out a thousand people. Thats absolutely fascinating. On the streets of berlin go up to a random person and say you know what berlin translates into in english in the answer of course, jelly donut. Thank you so much chris. We greatly appreciate it. So heres the great picture. Berlin, or america el and obama. President s just chillin right there. See you know what she is so much more comfortable with him instead of bush. Well thats not saying much. Hes not trying to massage her shoulders or anything like that. See how open she s. A tough east germany lady. Obama, he respects peoples face. Hes relaxed. Hes relaxed. Nobody knows theyre not getting their hand on each other no. Massage. Can we start with that story you wouldnt let me . No to the latest of a prison break that has a new york community. Not just a community an entire state and beyond on edge. The search continues for two convicted murderers on the run after escaping a maximum Security State prison in new york. Two separate Law Enforcement source versus told nbc affiliate wptz they believe the get away car came too early or too late or probably e possibly not at all. Information that leads the police to believe the escaped convicts were on foot and wptz cites another Law Enforcement source saying investigators are looking whether a female employee helped. N nbc Miguel Almaguer joins us. Reporter they are looking into whether they used power tools. The inmates were kept in the a block the socalled honor section of the prison where they may have had fewer restrictions. The two said to be good friends. This as investigators look into the possibility of prison employee, a woman who worked inside the prison may have helped the duo make their daring escape. The international dragnet to catch two killers, widening across the u. S. Mexico and canada, where Border Patrol agents are zeroing in and searching tractortrailers. Police, swat teams and fbi with the largest presence outside the maximum security prison walls. Convicts, 34yearold david sweat and 49yearold richard matt were discovered missing saturday during a routine cell check. For the first time, were hearing the emergency dispatch. Both subjects escaped from the Clinton County correction facility in danemora. Unknown direction of travel possibly southbound with a blue ford with a broken bumper. Governor andrew cuomo retraced tear steps, saying there are indications the prisoners may have had help from the inside. According to news reports, that help may have come from a Woman Working with the convicts. Theyre interviewing every inmate. Theyre looking through the locks to see who visited these guys. Theyre looking through the telephone records to see who these guys called. Reporter a source with knowledge of the case say the inmates were in the honor section. The prisoners in sidebyside cells stuffed their bunks with clothes to avoid detection, then used power tools to cut walls in the steel walls behind their besd, crawling on to a catwalk six stories up they broke through a brick wall two feet thick cutting holes into and out of a 24 hourinch steam pipe. They shimmied beneath the prison, breaking out of a manhole more than a block away t. Convicts leaving behind a racially charged postit note reading have a nice day. Jeremy getman spent four years at the correctional facility convicted on weapons charges. Its a maximum security prison. Its most definitely very tight security and movement as far as when are you allowed out of your cell. You are watched pretty much all the time. With more than 250 heavily armed officers the city of dannemora, nicknamed little siberia for its isolation is a fortress. When a 15mile radius they have four colleges and 24 schools. Every noise they hear somebody is here. Two killers on the run as the desperate search to find them could lead authorities anywhere. As investigators comb through some 300 leads, this morning they concede they are no closer to finding the two convicts. Mica. Minute ago gelmiguel Miguel Almaguer thank you. How do they cut through steel with power tools . That takes elaborate planning and only in of the inner workings of the prison to know where the pipe is to know they can cut their way out of the pipes. That was in the works for a long time. 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