Thats awesome. This is a little spicy. You may not like it. [ laughter ] its the perfect size for you right there. Will you put it on your head . No. My girls will. Why not . There is an ironclad rule of politics. Which is no funny hats. Any hat by definition is defined as a funny hat. Michael dukakis demonstrated it when he put on a hat and rode in a tank. I will cheer the hats on others. Dont you think the people of wisconsin want to see you in a cheese hat. I think the people of wisconsin wear their cheese to powerfully, i would not presume to intrude on the way in which they wear the hats. Its shakespearean. It is so awful. It is so awful. Whats going on in your state . Who do you want . Nobody, right . Somebody who has three cheese heads in his tv room downstairs. I wouldnt put one on my head either. You kind of look like a dope. You do . Its a big chunk of cheese. You have them but you never wear them. I have them signed. Have you ever worn them at a game . I have not. How will ted cruz do in your home state . Probably win, right . Certainly looks like hell win. To me it really does reset the race in a different way. He should win. Its so painful to watch them in their final moments to try to close it. Its ted cruz and his delivery. Im sorry. I cant stand it. You guys all cant stand it. Im sorry. To break into a to be or not to be when talking about a cheese head. Its all so unbelievably disingenuous. The cheese head . The performance. Like what is all this . Its not true, right . Come on, nicolle. You watch like this. This is how nicolle watches ted cruz. Thats the cold medicine. No its you who have run campaigns who knows its so painful. He is a staffer. When staffers become candidates theyre selfconscious about the performance. Really . What do you think, nicolle . I know if it was Hillary Clinton everyone would say its sexist. I think ted cruz is only appealing in the context of the choices that remain. And so what a Great Campaign ad. Well, come on here we are, right . Im with you. Is that how he talks at the family dinner table . Yes, i believe it is youve heard him read his childs fairy tale. My god. I dont know how the kids sleep. Lets read the rest of the show that way. You watch as if you were watching a slowmotion car wreck. Good morning. Its april 5th. Its true. Im saying what youre all thinkingme thinking. His delivery makes your skin crawl. Its like fingernails on a chalk board. Managing editor of Bloomberg PoliticsMark Halperin with us to help us. Former director for president george w. Bush Nicolle Wallace and the president and ceo of politico, wisconsins own jim vandehei. Mika, these races are crazy. You look at the polls. We see polls showing bernie ahead. Weve seen some polls yesterday that show hillary catching up. Like she was going to win. Right. A poll out shows bernie zooming ahead. On the republican side, same thing. Looks like cruz has a four or fivepoint lead. Another poll or two that came out that showed trump ahead or catching up. I dont really get it. Nobody knows. Nobody knows but Mark Halperin. Thats the way i like it. Let the voters decide. Let the voters wait. Are you with ted cruz . Yes, please, ted we live in a Constitutional Republic, and the glory of that is let the voters decide. Let the pundits and the politicians and the pollsters can all get around, and they can express what they want in their new york values. But at the end of the day it comes you gotta close it. Close it . How do i close it . You need a little more ned flanders in here. A little more ned flanders. There is a texas twang. Im working on the cadence first. Hes a little more shakespeare meets i dont know who. But its painful. He may be your partys nominee, by the way. Well, thats going to be fantastic it will be the people and not the i got to get the texas thing. It will be the people and not the elite establishment and pollsters. You cant do it. You cant be that annoying. Not the Washington Cartel . I dont like the Washington Cartel. Mika, can i hear an amen on that . Youre a rebel here we go. The speaker should we save it till later, the villanova thing . No incredible game last night. Lets go to the videotape. Lets go to the tape really quickly. This is the ncaa. Have to do something from the outside now. Paige, off balance. Puts it up. Oh, impossible how did he do that . Ties the game with 4. 7 seconds to go. Villanova trying to go the length of the court. Ar gives it to jenkins for the championship. Yes villanova phenomenal. Absolutely unbelievable first time villanova has won the ncaa since an extraordinary upset in 1985. Those of us old enough to remember. Remember the extraordinary win but nothing as far as lastsecond dramatics. Jim vandehei, matches what we saw last night from unc and villanova answering. Especially after the awful two games before to get to this, which were awful. An amazing ending by a team, an awesome collection of people, none who will end up in the kna North Carolina. Criminal defense. You have to put this with villanovas win in 85 and nc states win in 84. Mark halperin, two of the great one of the Great Finishes in ncaa basketball history. I was on campus with john kasich a few weeks ago where he predicted they might win, by the way. That campus is basketball mad. Yeah. It is not as big a powerhouse as North Carolina and other schools but they are crazy bad. Love their basketball. The celebration they had after they won ended about an hour ago. We have to get back to politics. The democrats debate over debate has officially come to an end i think. Hillary clinton and Bernie Sanders face off in brooklyn on april 14th five days before the New York Primary. The sniping between the two candidates didnt stop even after the negotiations were finished. The Sanders Campaign released a statement reading in part, fortunately we were able to move a major new york city rally scheduled for april 14th to the night before. We hope the debate will be worth the inconvenience for thousands of new yorkers who were planning to attend our rally on thursday but will have to change their schedules to accommodate Hillary Clintons jam packed high dollar coast to coast schedule of fund raisers across the country. A clin Campaign Official issued this statement saying, quote, we had thought the Sanders Campaign would have accepted our offer for a brooklyn debate on april 14th in new york in a new york minute but it ended up taking a few extra days for them to agree. We are glad they did. While that sniveling is going on on both sides glad theyre debating. New republican polls. Donald trump is Holding Steady among republican primary voters, at least nationally. Latest nbc News Survey Monkey online liking poll shows him relatively unchanged, down three points. If you had a week donald trump had last week and you didnt completely flame out, if you didnt see that plane going into the ground, youll probably take minus three. Ted cruz, the guy i just i cant imitate. Its kind of disturbing. 28 . John kasich Holding Steady at 18 . I think i can, which is scary. Today wisconsin voters go to the polls. Donald trump is contemplating the prospect of being shut out which is winner take all by state and district votes. A loss for ted cruz would likely be considered a devastating blow to his campaign. The final poll from Emerson College shows cruz with a narrow lead over trump. 4035. Fivepoint difference thats barely above the margin of error. John kasich holding fast at 21 . Cruz and trump were both campaigning hard yesterday, making retail stops alongside Governor Scott walker in a cheese shop with Trump Holding three rallies, hoping to send the senator down for the count, comparing walkers support for cruz with nikki haleys support for marco rubio in south carolina. The governor is against me. And i remember with nikki haley when she came out and it was over, and then i won in a landslide, south carolina. It was over. And i have a feeling the same thing will happen here. Because walker has not done a great job. He has not done a good job. He is by the way, hes been okay. Youre average. I hate to say it. You look around your surrounding states, you know what you are, average youre not average people, right . So big deal. You got the governor. And the only reason hes doing it, he hates cruz. They all hate cruz. Everybody hates cruz. Cruz gets up. He says, im the only one you know with his i wish he could just talk normally every once in a while. You ever hear the im the only one that has proven that i can beat donald trump. Donald trump recently questioned whether your governor can ride a harley. I would encourage donald, come on down. I think scott would be happy to give donald a ride, maybe give him a little side cart that he could hold on to. Youre right. It would mess up his hair. Actually, i dont know that it would. It might be that a hundred miles an hour, that might not move. Okay. You were laughing. You were laughing at trump. A couple of times. I was laughing at trump a couple of times. Yeah. [ laughter ] if youre not laughing youre crying at this point, right . You know how many primaries trump has lost so far . Three. Texas and ohio, two home states. Oklahoma, basically another home state. The rest are caucuses. If he loses tonight, its his first kind of neutral state primary loss. Primary that hes lost. In an open primary. What are you thinking . What are you saying . You think it might be closer than were all saying or everything i knowi suggests not. Trump could get anywhere about six delegates. If he gets six, arguably worst night since iowa. Reset the campaign . I hear people saying its going to reset the campaign. Neither cruz nor kasich have proven they can challenge trump in the northeast. Thats what its about. Can either of them give trump a challenge in the northeast. Its not there today. The question is does wisconsin produce that dynamic. Im not sure it does. The other problem with trump running against the establishment when hes bashing walker, in the state people like walker. Fav favorable 85 . The big question is, one, it looks like a much bigger turnout than in 20 years. So much of the coverage right now is out of milwaukee. Thats a different type of republican than you find once you go north of milwaukee. If the turnout is super high above milwaukee, there is a chance. Nicolle, i thought he made a mistake and said it on the air that he was attacking Lindsey Graham in south carolina. Why do you attack a guy who is really popular among some republicans there. And i said the same thing when he started attacking nikki haley. Nikki haley was very popular there as well. It seems like those endorsements only fed on his outsider status. I think it was a different moment in the candidacy, though. I think the difference with wisconsin is you have a very active grassroots, talk radio culture. A very educated and active political electorate because of the recalls. You have almost a statewide Political Press corps and a very active reminds me of sort of a florida during the bush years. Right. They do not this is what a nationalized election by and large. I dont think wisconsin fits that mold. They have their own media markets and their own conversation. I think this is a rare case where trump misread the state Political Climate a little bit. I think going to ryans hometown and trashing him i dont think it hurt him. I dont know that it helped him. You go to janesville, wisconsin. If i were campaigning i would say where is the statue to paul ryan so i can lay flowers there. At least not kick him in the face. No, no, no im just saying. You always. Hey i can predict myself. Hey, it is so great to be here in janesville, wisconsin. Paul ryan, what an extraordinary story. I mean, this is a guy that wins in a we need more people like paul ryan. Donald trump goes in and kicks him. He kicks nikki haley. Popular nikki haley. You go, no, thats just not a really smart thing to do. And he wins. Im not saying hes going to win tonight, but i do think it would be i think thats who he is. Well see if it works. The information flowing against trump in wisconsin has been bad and it continues to be bad. He is not ahead in the polls. He was in south carolina. The polls drive so much of the coverage. All the flaps from last week, the fact cruz has these endorsements, hes bringing in surrogates in the talk radio thing. Day in and day out trump is not winning news cycles. Are you surprised as badly as trump was performed over the last couple of weeks, its been horrific, that hes only down five points in the polls . No. You go back to Michael Dukakis, saturday night live. Cruz and kasich dont bring a ton to this. Trump can slump and still do pretty well in this field. Also the fact that, if you think about the conversation we had on this show before the primaries in the south. He has a floor and a ceiling. He has not gone below the floor. Hes been where hes been in wisconsin for months in terms of the 30 range. Others dropped out and others could rise up. Eugene robinson writes in the Washington Post, dont count trump out so far. Imagine the worstcase scenario for him. He wins none of wisconsins 42 Convention Delegates in tuesdays primary while his nearest rival, senator ted cruz, wins them all. Even with that improbable result trump would have a huge lead over cruz in the delegate race. A wisconsin shutout would make it more difficult for trump to reach the magic number of 1237, but it would remain nearly impossible for cruz to get there. So reports of trumps demise are surely premature. Once again, im afraid they may be largely the product of wishful thinking. Thats all weve really had in reporting over the past month or two when it comes to analyzing this race. Its been nine months of wishful reporting. Its really hard to read these people who have been wrong every single month talking about trumps imminent demise. The most dramatic thing that could happen is it becomes more difficult for him to get to 1237. Wisconsin has all these factors making it relatively bad for trump. The northeast are next up. A lot of big states including new york with a lot of delegates. No one has shown that either cruz or kasich can really challenge him. Trump may romp in the northeast, and then hes back on track to a majority. Who is the New York Times had an article several weeks ago saying his two strongest areas were alabama and upstate new york. How will trump do in jersey and connecticut . Watch him on long island. Long island is going to be unless things change dramatically long island, upstate york will be massive. Yeah. Areas of trump support. I think that his competitive identity will sort of shine through if he has a defeat. I think hes certainly capable of making adjustments. I dont think hell do any wholesale renovation of his personality, but the notion that he cant sort of make adjustments or improve his his campaign isnt very strong. Its really just him. The notion that he couldnt improve upon his ground game or his Campaign Operation or his message in the two intervening weeks is ridiculous. Let me ask you this im sorry. Watch cruzs speech tonight. Does he give a National Speech making the case or make jokes about donalds hair if he wins. Cruz is not going to do well in new york and new jersey and california. Hes not. I dont know where that Campaign Goes. And John Kasich John kasich needs to do better than third place in wisconsin. I love kasich. I have been clear that since jeb is out ill be supporting kasich but a third place finish in wisconsin is not good enough. Its not good enough. You do have to start asking why is john kasich still around if he cant at least come in second in a neighboring state. Really quick, i got to check ill report on my brother. Your parents. Are they still for trump . They are. They did not enjoy his last two weeks. I think peggy noonan had it right about how some of his supporters have become embarrassed by his more outrageous antics. My parents are especially uncomfortable with his ongoing feud with megyn kelly. They think its petty and beneath him. They would never be ted cruz voters. While they like kasich, they dont see how he wins. My brothers biggest problem is he a he needs to dig deeper. He needs to dig deeper. We need to hear more. Okay. Hes like a salesman of sorts. Hes like, okay, you got the sale. What are you going to do with it. Dig deeper. Hes still there. Hes still with him. He is a conservative christian guy. He it offended. He keeps trying to talk his wife into supporting trump and every time he gets close trump will Say Something offensive and say, im never voting for that guy. No, im not going to vote for him. Sorry to get so deep into your personal politics there, george and sarah, but i think its very telling that you have my brother, a conservative christian who rolls his eyes at a lot of the more offensive things, and then, you know, his wife, who he keeps trying to bring on board who keeps being offended. I think that might be a microcosm of some of the other problems hes having with women. And the supporters sticking. But his problem now is the inability to bring new people on. The expansion. Donald trump is campaigning on long island tomorrow. Still ahead on morning joe, u. S. Secretary of state, john kerry joins us on set. Continued full coverage of todays critical race in wisconsin. Well go live to milwaukee where the polls open in less than two hours. Also, chuck todd and Andrea Mitchell both join the table. Have you heard my bill karins impression . Its as bad as my ted cruz. Im so cold. When is it going to get warmer . We is it going to be warm . Shes cold. One of the warmest marches we have ever seen across the country and now were dealing with like a week and a half here of c