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hat doesn't mess with you. you know, he seems to do a good job mentioning his own name. you know, i'll let him do his
advertising for him. >> i wonder when we can expect you to get involved with the democratic race. are we going to see an endorsement soon? bernie sanders, perhaps? >> i think there's been a healthy debate in the democratic party. it's almost over. i think both bernie sanders and hillary clinton are good people. >> i notice you don't mind using their names. >> as i said, they are not as good as marketing. >> and good morning. it is thursday june 2nd. welcome to "morning joe." joe, the president kind of dising trump by not dising trump. >> he doesn't want to bring his name up. these guys have this remarkable symbiotic relationship. the president's perceived weakness on terror attacks overseas helped donald trump in the republican primary but the
rise of donald trump and hillary clinton's problems helped barack obama's numbers do up. latest poll has him over 50%. that's pretty incredible eight years in in this divided country we live in. i've just got to believe because people are comparing the two. they seem to help each other in their own base groups. >> he might want to name names with those approval readings. we have legendary columnist and msnbc contributor. i just had to tell him to sit up. this is like old home week. look at this group we have washington anchor for bbc world news america katty kay. >> say it. >> no. >> you can say it in the prompter. >> ad man. >> it sees legendary. i can quote a legendary forbes article that called me legendary. >> we don't want to talk beauty
why. >> i sat there and listened to joe co-op this legendary word. enough. >> i saw the most disturbing shot on instagram a couple days ago. any, quote, legendary status, it's gross. >> look at you. >> how much hormone are you taking? >> you know what that's called, human growth hormone. 70-year-old dudes look that way. 70-year-old dude don't look that way. >> is that tanning cream or tanning bed. >> that's legendary. >> guy is, don't be hateful. aging population, aging gracefully. >> hating on you donnie, jey.
jealous. >> joe, please, let's keep the peace here. now that we have it's not graceful, pathetic and needy. stop. >> do not mock muscle and fitness. to politics president obama returned to el car, indiana, a city he visited in 2009. the president credited his own policies bringing that city back from economic collapse while hitting donald trump on everything from his tax plan to presidency. >> republican president's tax plan 1/10 of 1%, a bigger tax cut than 120 million households at the bottom. it would explode our deficits by nearly $10 trillion. i'm not making this up. you can look at the math.
that will not bring jobs back. that is not fighting for the american middle class. that will not help us win. that is not going to make your lives better. that will help people like him. deporting 11 million immigrants, not only is that a fantasy that would cost taxpayers billions of dollars and tear families apart and just logistically would be impossible -- and the one thing i can promise you if we turn on epa other based on divisions of race, religion, if we fall for, you know, a bunch of okey-doke just because it -- it sounds
funny or the tweets are provocative, then we're not going to build on the progress that we started. if we get cynical and just vote our fears, or if we don't vote at all, we won't build on the progress we started. this is a president who doesn't have a clue. and this president now is very interesting because he's going to start campaigning. if he campaigns, that means i'm allowed to hit him just like i hit bill clinton, right? if he doesn't, i don't care. if he campaigns, and i think he wants to, because he wants to keep this terrible agenda going where everybody is ripping us, where the world is ripping us off -- >> assuming president obama will be cam passenger for the democratic nominee in the fall, as we mentioned, he will bring a 51% job approval rating according to gallop onto the
trail. he hit the 50% mark, as you mentioned, joe, back in march. so president obama and donald trump at it, so, too, hillary clinton and donald trump going at it especially for trump u. >> you know, you look at barack obama, and you saw especially those first few lines of attacks that he had on his tax plan, his immigration plan, and you actually saw something you haven't seen this entire election season, and that is a politician capably and articulately and ably going after donald trump in a way that resonates. it is staggering the number of characters that we've had come on the political stage and exit the political stage without laying a glove on him. i thought yesterday that was a pretty effective line of attack from barack obama. and you know, donald trump coming back attacking him, it
doesn't look funny in that instance, it looks shrill, and it has a lot to do with tone. that's something for some reason no republican or hillary had been able to do effectively this year. >> i heard hillary say similar words. i have. i heard her talk about the tone. >> barack obama is differencemaker. those two clips alluded to show vividly. you have the president of the united states and you have a guy in a hat. >> it's interesting. we talk about 50% approval rating across the the country, california not exactly a swing state. joe, we've fought over the years about barack obama, you cannot argue this gentleman is stunningly presidential compared to trump and hillary. he does speak with gravitas. to mika's point, when you hear him talk about the $11 trillion,
divisiveness, a cadence, gravitas that nobody else brings to the table. >> not just the gravitas and the facts but does it in a way that seems to be making fun of donald trump without donald trump getting under his skin. he seems totally in control, barack obama. he seemed to enjoy taking it to donald trump. >> willie, you know, willie geist, that's somethinge said from the beginning. the way you beat donald trump is not getting angry and rising up or even getting down in the gutter with donald trump, you sort of mock him lightly. this is something that barack obama can do, and he's president of the united states, so, yes, he looks presidential after eight years. it's also something if joe biden were running against him he could effectively do. i would say if mitt romney were running against him he could effectively do it. anybody that had gravitas, anybody that had an air about them, again, as mike said, would look much more presidential.
then you go to the attack with a guy in the hat yelling insults. >> part of it is new. we haven't seen president obama do this and come out. i think now president obama sees donald trump as a real threat. if he was a joke in the months past to everybody and to president obama, now he sees this as a threat not only to his legacy, that's why he wants hillary clinton to run and that's why he'll be out stumping with her over the next few months but genuinely to the country. i think he's threatened by the ideas he proposed to the country. he needs to get out there, and he will, and defend not only his legacy but the country. >> i think you know, mika, things are sort of changing dramatically in this campaign and you're going to have a lot of different lines of attacks. barack obama coming out there is going to make it very interesting. we'll see again how donald trump handles it. he's been the last two or three weeks especially shrill, seeming to actually get off of his game.
i think the pressure only picks up between now and november. it's going to be fascinating to see how he responds. >> go ahead. >> you know what's interesting, since march, obviously since march trump has brought the party together and hillary is stumbling. yet the trend in the polls, he's only moved a point or two in the last several months given obviously his moment and anti-moment for hillary, so there is a kind of trend of a lack of growth, if you will, given the situation i don't think bodes well for him. joe, i can't remember the last week or two, i weren't on the program in the last month or two and said i think this guy is going to win. i feel differently in the last month or two, there's no lodge toik me why he hasn't pivoted and seems to be stumbling backwards in his own way. >> on some level he doesn't want to be president. i can't explain it any other way. >> that's what we've said, donny, maybe this guy just doesn't want to be president. it not like we have not been
telegraphing every day what he has to do. two, three weeks ago he's in trouble with women, in trouble with hispanics, he needs to pivot, he needs to act more presidential. he needs to do all these things i know his family has been telling him privately he needs to do. he's become more shrill by the day, whether talking about attacking susana martinez, the head of the republican governor's association, whether you're talking about that press conference, whether you're calling reporters from abc sleaze bags. this is not a man who seems to want to be president of the united states. mika, we've seed it, it doesn't make sense unless he has a political death wish and doesn't want to win this thing. he didn't expect to be here, maybe he doesn't want to be here. maybe he wants to go back to golfing every day and riding around in his rolls roy. >> for people that know him, seems the only option. legal battles taking center
stage. a new report from usa today found trump and his businesses have been involved in at least 3500 lawsuits over three decades, an unprecedented number for a presidential nominee. that number includes 70 new cases filed in the last year, evenly split between lawsuits he has filed and ones filed against him. in the majority of cases, trump or his businesses were the plaintiffs in the suits uncovered. an analysis of businesses his size found his number of lawsuit far above the norm. by comparison hillary clinton has been named in more than 900 lawsuits mostly as dependent, mostly unrelated to clinton and directed at the government. yesterday trump undertook damage control after a document dump in his court struggle with students for profit real estate program. nbc's katy tur has the details. >> reporter: donald trump selling the american dream on the campaign trail.
>> i will give you everything. >> reporter: now defunct four universities accused of crushing that scheme, scamming students with aggressive sales practices and false promises. >> success. it's going to happen to you. >> reporter: trump's secrets to selling unsealed by a federal judge. hundreds of documents, including testimony, from one former sales manager saying trump university was a fraudulent scheme that preyed upon the elderly and uneducated to separate them from there money. another sales executive saying it was just selling false hopes and lies. the candidate facing trial in november is now calling out the ethnicity of the case's indiana-born judge. >> the judge who happens to be, we believe, mexican, which is great. what he's doing is a total disgrace. >> trump's lawyers deny fraud and point nbc news to this campaign video. >> i must tell you that the courses that i took were outstanding. >> reporter: the university seminars at first free were aggressively upsold from $1500
to $35,000. students allegedly encouraged to max out their credit cards prosecute i was highly deceived. >> hannah drained retirement for trump university. >> i get this sick feeling in hi stomach to not only see that from my own personal experience but i see him playing those same exact cards with this whole country. >> so joe, hillary clinton capitalized on the revelations at a rally in newark yesterday trying to demonstrate they are part of a wider trump narrative. >> his own employees testified that trump u -- you can't make this up -- that trump u was a fraudulent scheme where donald trump enriched himself at the expense of hardworking people. this is just more evidence that donald trump himself is a fraud.
he is trying to scam america the way he scammed all those people at trump u. it's important that we recognize what he has done, because that's usually a pretty good catindico of what he will do. >> pretty strong. retweeted from mitt romney and marco rubio criticized donald trump on trump university. clinton broaden her attacks, a national security speech, her campaign is promising to contrast donald trump's incessant trash talking of america. trump, meanwhile, was quick to attack clinton during a rally in sacramento last night. >> hillary is not a talented person. in fact, she's a person with absolutely no natural talent. all you have to do is watch her
speak. you ever notice, even for a minor speech, she has teleprompters. do i have teleprompters here? no. she's got like these minor speeches and she's going -- i saw this a couple of times, four words. we're going to win in the north, south, east and west. ba ba ba. oh, boy. so insincere. hillary clinton, and this is 100%, hillary clinton who lies -- i mean she lies, remember that? i started that. she lies. she lies. she made a speech and she's making another one tomorrow. they sent me a copy of the speech. it was such lies about my foreign policy. i want japan to nuke -- i want japan to get nuclear weapons. give me a break. >> if anything, joe, he's still talking to the base. as donny pointed out
comparatively in those two sound bites hillary clinton attacking him elegantly and strongly, i thought effectively, to donald trump in the hat, he looked almost unhinged, like he needed a prompter badly. >> again, katty kay, for some time we've heard reports in the press that the family has been trying to get donald trump to look more presidential. paul manafort has been trying to get donald trump to look more presidential. they are obviously losing that battle. here we are in the general election for the most part. we might as well be, and he's talking about her speaking ability and just says she lies, lies, lies, lies. like he's running against ted cruz here. he's regressing as a political candidate and it's one of the more baffling things i've seen. >> there's almost a sense of
despair about the way he reaches for superlatives. not just she has no talent. she has absolutely no talent. she is a liar. he can almost will himself to make this the truth. if you contrast that to what hillary clinton was saying, yesterday i was at that rally in rutgers and she seemed, joe, to be very happy on the stage. she seemed to enjoy this new line of attack on him. she went straight out and went straight after him on trump university. it was the first thing she said. she had specifics. she was going after trump u. that was fraudulent. she wasn't saying he is, blanket, a fraud. there is a difference in tone about it. you listen to donald trump in that clip and it sounds slightly desperate. >> willie, we've known donald for a long time. we've known him personally for a long time. he's been a friend. and people have been asking me over the past couple of weeks what's going on with him. i haven't a clue.
but do you have any working theories here about why he seems to be moving the exact opposite direction he needs to go to win general election voters. >> to me it's pretty simple, it's the lesson he learned through the primary, being donald trump and all that entails is what's gotten him this far and why stop now. winging it on stage, insulting his opponents, playing fast and loose with the facts. he's being donald trump. he saw how well it worked. he started last june about a year ago. wasn't sure what was going to happen. it carried him through the summer, the fall, all those primaries. why should donald trump change now. i think that's the philosophy he's working under. the truth is he's going to be held to account for a lot of things he said. hillary clinton has a professional campaign that's looking into these things. she's going to make a speech today about him proposing japan get nuclear weapons. he said yesterday he didn't say that he did say that. he said japan should have nukes
and start taking care of itself against north korea and we should be sick and tired of defending countries like that. the things he said over the past year will come back to haunt him. >> there's another thing happening, i ran into trump's lead counsel and top people. this is going amazing, this is great. we're going to win new jersey. i think there's an insularness within the campaign, closed off, so pumped on each other and not necessarily in touch and perhaps a little delusional about what's been happening over the last couple of weeks. that to me is another explanation. >> you know, mika, they learned leading into wisconsin what happens when he's not disciplined. he became disciplined after wisconsin. manafort came on board. manafort and corey worked together. the family was in there telling me, disciplining himself. we saw donald trump for two or three weeks become very disciplined and he won big states and won a lot. but he's not doing it now.
going back to what willie said maybe explaining in a way donald trump can understand because he's thinking maybe, as willie said, well, i've been myself. i've insulted people. i've done all these things and i've won. that was a primary. that's great. well, you have a certain game, golf game you take to augusta national if you want to win the masters. then if you want to win the british open and the wind is blowing 30 miles an hour and it's raining and it's in your face, guess what, you know what you do? you get your irons out. you hit it low to the ground. and you're not swinging away like you are number 11 at augusta national. you've got to play a different game. it gets tougher right now. he's at the british open. the winds are 30 miles an hour. it's raining. the wind is in his face. if he thinks the same thing that happens in the republican primary is going to help him win in the general election, he just
is a rank amateur and doesn't know what he's talking about. >> he calls himself a dealmaker, great negotiator in the art of the deal, you must know you deal with different people differently and you deal on different -- >> he's up against hillary clinton but he's also now clearly up against barack obama who is a consummate pro at this. >> good luck. still ahead on "morning joe," a new poll shows a tightening race in california for the democrats. bernie sanders vowing, joe, to fight on to the convention. >> of course. >> he's driving them crazy. he is driving them crazy. key democrats say one major thing stands between him and the nomination, math. yes, that's true. but it's still not going stop him. later, the attorney general of new york eric schneiderman joins us to talk about his long-running legal battle targeting trump u. first bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill. >> all about texas. life threatening weather once again with flash flooding in the
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27 past the hour. hillary clinton headed back to california likely in response to a primary contest that is suddenly tight thienintightenin. latest nbc journal shows hillary clinton up two points with democrats. >> that's a surprise. >> wasn't it a much wider swing just days ago? >> yeah, a couple days ago there was a poll out i think from stanford that had hillary up 13 points. when i saw that -- i thought it was over. when i saw that nbc poll out there yesterday, suddenly that changes everything.
this california race is so critical. if bernie sanders were to pull off a shocking upset out there, she would have to consider him as vice president, she would have to give him so much more than i know they want. if she wins double digits she can do what she wants. this race has such an impact on the convention. >> there's a reason he's not leaving. >> what's scary for her, in any of these primary races where he has spend a lot of time, he outperforms the polls. >> he does. >> we'll show you in just a moment he is goading them, by the way. so if you expand the question to potential democratic primary voters bernie sanders leads by one point and clinton's early return to the west coast was not lost on the senator from vermont. >> i just suddenly saw hillary clinton racing to california, bill clinton racing to california, maybe they think this campaign is not quite over.
i believe we've got a real shot to come out of that convention with democratic nomination. if we do come out with nomination, donald trump is toast. >> still the "associated press." senator minority leader harry reid says bnie sanders has to recognize, sometimes you have to give up. adding, "i've never been too good at math but i can figure that one out. i think he better do a little mathing." >> what an uplifting message. it's a message our parents when they would hold us on their knee and we'd say we wanted to quit. instead of telling us to fight on, they said, you know, senator harry reid, what he always says, what's that, mom? sometimes you just have to give up, joey. >> your mom had that stitched on
a throw pillow. i remember that. right there on her rocking chair. that's what hillary supporters have been saying for weeks now. it's time to step to the side. that only emboldens him, only emboldens sanders supporters, makes him want to go further and further. mathematically on that point, harry reid is right, it's going to be tough. that's a proportional contest in california. if it's a close race and they split the votes, hillary clinton clears the threshold and becomes the nominee. the argument by the sanders campaign is that includes superdelegates. superdelegates should not yet count. he wants to go to the convention and convince those superdelegates they should come to his side. the other part of his argument is what you heard from him there, i'm the one who beats donald trump head-to-head. look at poll after poll after poll. i'm the one if you put me in will beat donald trump. >> joe, next wednesday is going to be a really interesting day for the democratic party. next wednesday whether hillary clinton wins or loses narrowly in california, she will be way over the top in terms of
delegates needed to get that nomination. you're going to have a series of major democratic officials in this country both elected and appointed saying, bernie, time for you to go home. that might include elizabeth warren, incidentally, next wednesday. when that happens, you're going to find out who bernie sanders really is. is he a guy who recognizes who he is and led a great movement for 50 years and it's culminated this spring, or is he the guy they know in the united states senate, the guy who won united states senator, democratic united states senator has never known how to be a partner. >> you know he's not going away. you know he's not going away. >> the thing is, what we have from bernie sanders, i win california, i say, wait a second, you can't add superdelegates because superdelegate don't vote until they get to the convention. we are building a movement here. the movement grows by the day. we get more people out every day than hillary ever will. more donors sending their money
to us than hillary does every day. she has to fly off to new york and connecticut for fundraisers with rich people. people just send us money. we're in the middle of a movement. why don't we not short-circuit the process and let the presses play out the way the rules are posed to play out. let the superdelegates make their mind up at the convention when they actually vote. stop trying to short-circuit this process like you tried to short-circuit -- >> from the get go. >> like you tried to short-circuit the debate process. let's just let it play out. mika, i'm reminded of iowa, the results still coming in in iowa. it looked like it was too close to call. the democratic party in iowa rigged hillary supporters. they actually called the election before they called the election. they should have wait add day or two. it was rigged. same thing happened when you came to the county process.
the debate process clearly rigged. here we have once again everybody talking about let's rig the process, forget the fact the rules say superdelegates vote at the conventions. we don't know what's going to happen between now and conventions. we don't know what fbi is going to say, what other igs are going to say. let superdelegates vote when they are supposed to vote by the rules and stop short-circuiting the process. that is what bernie sanders should say. >> i have to tell you, you were at hillary clinton event, how many people were there? >> it wasn't very big, i would say 4 or 500 people. >> these bernie sanders supporters turn out wherever he goes by the thousands, sometimes tens of thousands. are you really going to say, you know what, you guys don't matter. your voice doesn't matter. what you've been doing doesn't matter. the guy you've been following doesn't matter.
you know, what from the beginning they thought they could rid of him. they thought the coronation could happen. it didn't. look at this. look at these people. stop ignoring them. stop making the trump mistake republicans made. stop ignoring bernie sanders. >> we know that the superdelegates back in 2008 switched from clinton to obama, but they have given no indication this time around that they are thinking of switching to bernie. i'm not hearing superdelegates start to say, actually, you know what, we're holding our vote, we will decide at the convention. >> take him seriously. want to hear from obama? really quickly, here is the president on the state of the race. >> i think there's been a healthy debate in the democratic party and it's over. what i try to do is make sure voters rather than me bigfooting the situation or deciding the
outcome, i think we'll probably have a pretty good scene next week of who the nominee will end up being. >> mika, that's exactly what democratic leaders should do, what their president is doing right now saying i'm not going to bigfoot the voters. let's let the process play out. let's take it to the convention, let the superdelegates vote. >> he did say it's over next week. >> it's not over next week. i'm talking about the bigfooting the voters. let the process play out the way the rules say the process plays out. when the superdelegates vote, then it's over. >> by the way bernie sanders picked up the backing of venezuela's embattled socialist president who said he's rooting for his, quote, revolutionary friend. all right. coming up -- >> i want to go back, more stunng that trump is not rising to the moment given the divisiveness there.
this is such an opportunity. >> it's actually easier than what he's doing, which i've always thought, you know, this riffing that he's doing, unhinged riffing is hard. it's exhausting. if he actually just modulated -- >> maybe he can't. maybe that's just his way of operating. >> it's amazing. it's easier. >> he goes on the attack the whole time and doesn't have mott later. >> it's easier to go off prompter and use your brain. his brain right now is unhinged and all over the place and not helping his candidacy. coming up rnc strategist who oversees hispanic outreach. "morning joe" back in a moment.
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message to hispanic voters is resigning after telling employees she was uncomfortable working for donald trump. she will leave her post this month, according to two rnc staffers who spoke to the "new york times" but, quote, requested anonymity to speak candidly about the difficulties surrounding the party's presumptive standard bearer. guerra told colleagues she was uncomfortable working for trump. she's a texan of mexican descent and declined to discuss her feelings about trump with the paper. she will be joining action network republican aligned super pac. >> mika, you look at the fact, this doesn't even go back to the announcement. look for one second the fact just this past week he's actually calling out a judge for being mexican, as if that's some
sort of slur and a mexican can't actually be fair as a judge in a lawsuit even though the guy was born in indiana frf a couple weeks ago we had a poll saying 28% of hispanics had been voting for trump in the primaries, which staggered me. the most surprising number in the whole poll. >> it didn't surprise me. >> that there were so many. >> i know it doesn't make sense. i expected that. it's one of the oxymorons. >> protecting what you have. >> can't explain it. if i tried to, it won't come out right. joining us from washington, "time" magazine correspondent with a piece entitled -- this is another example of what doesn't make sense here, "trump's god machine how the gop nominee won over part of the bible belt and america's evangelical base."
joe, go for it. it's the same thing, right? >> it is the same thing. thanks so much for being with us. here we have donald trump saying something heresy in any evangelical church in america. when asked if he needed to be forgiven for anything by god, he said, no, not really. the very essence of all of jesus' teachings are you need to be humble and you need to understand you were saved by god's grace, that we're all sinners. and the only thing that makes a christian a christian is the understanding they are sinners and saved by jesus. donald trump threw that out and there's not an evangelical, a lot of them that seem to care. >> it's one of the most amazing things so far about this campaign and what donald trump has been able to do. such a surprise. but to really understand how donald trump did this with evangelicals, he won the evangelical base without the
power brokers so far through the primaries, more than the royal flush of social conservative candidates that evangelicals had in their favor. but you really have to look back four years ago to 2012 when donald trump's friendship with jerry falwell jr., the president of liberty university in lynchburg, virginia, when that friendship really began. four years ago falwell invited donald trump down to liberty to speak, gave him an honorary doctorate, probably sensing an opportunity waved his speaking fee, travel cost, canceled return flight to spend the rest of the day down at liberty. falwell has a very large real estate empire there of his own. they are doing a $500 million project on campus. the two really became friends and stayed in touch. right after that, hurricane katrina hit -- excuse me, hurricane sandy hit. and donald trump's adviser
called the falwells to say that trump was going to open one of the atriums in his hotel in new york for displaced victims, and it was out of the hospitality he experienced down at liberty. so really interesting. after that trump even called falwell in december to compliment him on his policy to allow students to carry concealed weapons on campus. so it's been an amazing iendship that really inspired a lot of the bible belt to follow suit. >> mike barnicle. >> elizabeth, let me ask you, if you speak to evangelicals, they will tell you initially that donald trump is so far off the mark in terms of what they believe in, the tenets fundamentals of their faith as joe is alluding to, so how is it he has managed to capture their votes when he hasn't been able to truly define their faith in terms of a comfort level with
them? >> i think one of the miss conacceptings about evangelicals is that they always vote based on religious identity. often it's about policy. that's the other thing confusing about it. the evangelical elite washington evangelical leaders pushing policies about pro-life, about marriage. and those are things that they are really wavering. where does trump stand on this? there's still a few big tests. i don't think it's a wedding yet. we're still in the courtship phase. a lot of that set to fall this summer. leaders like family research council's tony perkins organized a very large meeting with 500 social conservatives in new york in a few weeks. it's a big test to see what he's going to say to them. >> all right, elizabeth, thanks. we'll be looking for your reporting in the new issue of "time" magazine. joe, these are one of the many sort of kind of mysteries of
what has brought -- i don't mean that in any condescending way. >> not at all. >> he goes beyond sometimes things that are really contraining to gop candidates who have to say what they have to say to get through iowa. >> right. you know, the thing is, though, you are -- i know you are being careful when you talked about not being surprised that hispanics were supporting him. >> right. >> at a 28% clip. you are right. it's just like evangelicals. here you have a candidate that doesn't know that corinthians, quoted in just about everybody, "1 corinthians 13. he calls it 1 corinthians. asked whether he likes old testament or new testament better, he said both. asked what his favorite bible verse is, he says i like them all. he tears the very foundation of the christian faith apart by
saying he doesn't need the forgiveness of god. he doesn't need the grace of jesus. he doesn't need to be forgiven. again, you can say no statement that more undermines the essence of the new testament and the gospel of jesus christ than that one statement. yet numbers of evangelicals don't care. >> that's all true. you know what else he says? i've got your back. i'm going to look out for you. there's a large segment of this population that says nuns are being forced against their faith to provide birth control under obama care. bakeries are being forced to make cakes for gay weddings. these are things that flair up as cultural issues. he says we're going to stop all that nonsense. it's not clear how he's going to do that. i've got your back. >> planned parenthood, as far as the bathroom thing, playing that card. there's no logic to it. >> he has said there's this
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the pundits say one of the reasons the republican party has picked the candidate it has -- no, no booing. we're voting, we're not booing. if you watch the talking heads on tv, they say the reason the folks are angry is because nobody is paid enough attention to the plight of working americans in communities like these. that's what they say. >> do you like that airplane? it's good, right? made in america. made in america. boeing made in america. >> welcome back. >> do you like that airplane? do you like that airplane?
you like that airplane y'all? hey, y'all, you like that airplane? yeah, that's going to take care of you. that's going to help get your kids through college. you like that airplane? that's going to bring jobs back to america. you like this airplane? i'm strong and powerful. that means you're going to stop losing money at work. that means jobs are going to come back. no, actually it doesn't. you like that airplane? >> all right. welcome back to "morning joe." it's thursday june 2nd. >> that's a great airplane, donald. thank you so much. i'm glad that's going to end 40 years of declining wages in america. nice airplane. great job. yeah, i like that. hey, willie, you like that airplane? >> you're asking me i like the airplane, i like the airplane. >> i like the airplane. >> you know what i'll say, what president obama said there is exactly why people have gone out and voted for donald trump the way they have. there is wage stagnation. there's a huge underemployment
problem in this country. the economy is not all rosy and that's why donald trump, airplane or not, has done well. >> he's a whole prosperity gospel guy. secular prosperity gospel. his wealth is your wealth eventually if you follow his gospel. >> like trump university. >> doesn't aspirational have to be backed up with how you can get there too? >> that's the second part of it. he is an aspirational candidate. that's why i was moroccoing, you like that airplane. he's got to connect the dots. he hasn't connected the do the. he laid out the scenario during the republican process. he should spend the general election actually talking about policy instead of saying you like that airplane. he's not doing it.
barack obama, maybe he just doesn't get it. wages have been stagnant since 1973, since he's been president the rich have gotten richer, the poor have gotten poorer, the banks have gotten bigger. all the trend lines going in the wrong way for the working class. there is a cry not only on the rick perry side but democratic side with bernie sanders support of people saying the status quo doesn't work. the status quo of us electing guys that went to harvard and yale and the same guys on wall street are going to put the same guys in the treasury department, going to put the same members of the club in to protect the club like they did in the 2008 crash. they don't want that and if barack obama doesn't understand that he's not connected to the country. he needs to consecutive the
dots. >> i would argue hillary clinton and president obama could make a very strong case for what has been accomplished and what has been prevented in terms of the economy over the past eight years. there clearly is a big gap in the middle class growing and hasn't gotten better under their watch. that's where donald trump has tapped in but he's not going -- at some point he has to go a little deeper. he doesn't even have to go a lot deeper but he has to go a little deeper as to how he's going to get people there. >> how he's going to get people there. believe me, i'm going to make it great. that seems to work for him in the primaries. maybe what trump's position at the moment is he's struggling, as you suggested earlier, joe, he has to now change his golf game. that message doesn't seem to be getting through to him. he's now taking on hillary clinton and barack obama and he needs -- and just believe me is not necessarily going to work anymore. >> joe and i, we know him, i think, again, does he want this?
because he could -- he could do what we're talking about. he could. he could read it off a prompter. he could. he could. what he's been doing is harder actually. does he want it? >> have you factored in the perhaps fatal aspect of his candida candidacy. that would be this presidential election campaign for donald trump is all about donald trump. it's not about the nation yet. it's not about the people. it's not about what happened in 2007, '8, and '9, it's about donald trump. >> it's also about what it's always been about with donald trump, willie, and that's the brand. that's the name. that's the trump name. even if he loses the trump name is bigger than ever before. there are some setbacks. the golf tournament at doral was yanked from him because he
couldn't find a sponsor. there will be setbacks. the family is concerned about the business. at the same time, though, the name will be bigger than ever. he's not acting right now, he's not acting like a man who actually wants to win the presidency. he's acting like a man who is saying i'm kind of ready to go back to the great life i had before. i'm ready to ride in my rolls-royce again, something he's mentioned before to me. if i don't win -- you know, if i win, i'll never, ever be able to drive in my rolls-royce again. maybe that's what he wants to do. >> that's tough. >> i'm not ready to go that far yet. i think he got a little taste of victory in the republican primary and now he has a taste he could be president. he's been surprised how well he's done and had a shot at it. again, he only knows one way of doing business and that's being him. i think if he stopped and started reading speeches on teleprompters and went deep into policy, it wouldn't feel to him or supporters like it was
authentic or true or the thing that got him where it is. it might be the right thing but i think it's very tough for him to be anything other than himself. >> mike. >> joe, i like your take on this. you were at this event and what you just saw encompasses what i'm about to say. you're at the event at the verizon center in manchester, new hampshire, the night before the new hampshire primary when donald j. trump came out on that stage. it was a spectacular show. the music was great. the place was filled. the crowd was enthusiastic and energetic and they met donald j. trump. they looked at him on this stage as a guy who came into this state on a plane with his name on the side, his beautiful wife. they look at him the way they look at a powerball they buy friday night. he's their ticket. he's going to take them to economic heaven. he's going to take care and resolve their future. that's the primary. then we saw the clip he just
played. donald j. trump has now evolved into a guy when you contrast him to the united states an entirely different plane, the big league, just a guy in a red hat. >> reality shows have to have a narrative. there has to be an arc to the narrative will he's running the same reality tv show he's been running since last june. he's got a different market. he's now going to a different channel. in fact, every channel. right now he hasn't figured out, i guess, how to market it to all those channels. listen, he's not doing badly in the polls. he's tied with hillary in a lot of polls. of course, most people believe when the democratic party unites, he'll probably be down five, six, seven points. but he has not changed and i've got to believe those people we saw in manchester that were so excited that they finedly found
somebody that understood their plight, they believed understood their plight and wasn't politically correct, i've got to believe at some point they go, wait a second. how is he actually going to do this. i'm hearing the same speech i heard nine months ago. where do we go from here? that's a big question. does he grow? can he grow? >> daniel henninger channel joe scarborough in the "wall street journal" in his pead, "trump's mad." it isn't just mr. trump's compulsive urge to attack republicans, it's what comes after. politics is about large networks. when donald trump attacks one of these individuals so publicly, the aftershocks radiate outward across connected webs of loyal is and fundraisers. in politics, payback can come from innumerable places and in ways you will never see. against this, donald trump seems to be betting he's the first truly realized media age
candidate who will win the presidency because his public persona is more powerful than anyone's normal politics. i won't change, he says. maybe not, but five months from november's election, i think donald trump may be turning himself into a captive inside the cage of his own very familiar persona. . >> i've got to tell you, willie and joe, this is perilous for those who have chosen to blindly get behind him without requiring more, without sitting -- basically and saying to him, i need to know more about what you're going to do. i need some details. again, i point to the conversation with ari fleischer and mitch mcconnell on our set in the past seven days. ari fleischer had absolutely no reason to support him except he's not hillary clinton. that's strange to me and it's dangerous. >> it makes paul ryan look smart. >> paul ryan held out. >> still has. >> i watched this unfold right
over the last three weeks. trump got the predictable bump in the polls with the nomination, nailing it down. for some reason made everybody collapse in on him and everybody coalesce. all the holdouts got on the trump train immediately. now the poll bump is going to go away and they will say to themselves, oh, no. >> what have i done? >> donald trump might lose, what was the advantage jumping in so quickly with no requests, no reason. >> no reason, joe? >> mika, that's part of the probl problem, donald trump has started to act more erratically on the campaign trail since republicans swarmed to his side on the campaign trail. paul ryan held out. i have to ask the question, what has donald trump done in the last three weeks that makes paul ryan more likely to endorse him.
>> nothing. >> the answer is nothing. he has insulted -- he's insulted the head of the republican governor's association, a popular hispanic female governor from a critically important swing state, and he's still -- he's insulting a judge's ethnicity, a guy who was born in the heartland of america because of his ethnicity, suggesting he can't be fair as a judge, this is a disgrace. why would paul ryan get behind somebody like that. >> he can't. >> he's not going to up his game. >> he absolutely cannot. again, i'm sorry, but it was stunning to me. i asked mitch mcconnell maybe three times on our set, what has donald trump said or done ever in his candidacy that leads you to believe you can take his word on supreme court nominees. absolutely no answer. it's crazy. >> you gave the answer, though.
he's not hillary clinton. that's good enough for a lot of people. you've given me two choices. >> you can't believe him. >> i agree with you. but if you've acted on principle for a year, donald trump will be bad for this country, tear down the republic, i don't know how you can step across. i know it happens every year but donald trump is a special case. you can step up and say if you're marco rubio and you've spent an entire campaign mocking donald trump and saying there's no way this man can be nominee or president and then falling in line with him, the american public doesn't see that anymore. >> this seems like a dangerous, irresponsible dive into nowhere for republicans who have jumped behind him, who cannot give one reason, who cannot give one reason why they believe in him. where are they going to end up? i just don't get it. >> by the way, mika, that only encourages him to be more reckless. that only encourages him to attack susana martinez, to
attack an american-born judge because of his ethnicity. to make all of these blustering attacks. if the republican party in washington, d.c., that hated him for a year just blindly and obsequiously falls in line behind him, what is that showing? i can say and do whatever i want. >> where are the leading republicans jumping to susana martinez's defense and saying that that's inappropriate. >> i saw some. >> the other nominees did. but what about congress? what about congress? >> you have somebody like marco rubio, let's move on to see what's happening in california, but really quickly, one final thought here. if somebody like new york city says donald trump would be dangerous as commander in chief, dangerous for him to have the nuclear codes, we can't let donald trump have the nuclear codes because it would be a danger to this world, that guy that says that, i'm sorry, he
can't switch for political convenience to saying, hey, you know what, i'll support him. i'll go to the convention. i'll even speak at his convention if you like. you can't do that. >> looks at somebody like john mccain who you know does not agree with donald trump on immigration, torture, america's role in the roll, john mccain has come out and endorsed donald trump. i thought that was one of the most telling moments of somebody who holds himself up as being a maverick and independent falling in line with the party. >> for no reason. >> political expedience. >> for no reason. i need to know the reason. >> as donald trump would tweet, sad. >> hillary clinton headed to california. when she arrives she'll find a contest that is suddenly tightening. just out this morning the field poll shows hillary clinton up 2%, 45-43. latest nbc maris poll shows clinton up two as well. 49-47. if you expand the question to
potential democratic primary voters, bernie sanders leads by one point and clinton's early return to the west coast was not lost on the senator from vermont. >> i just suddenly saw hillary clinton racing to california, bill clinton racing to california. maybe they think this campaign is not quite over. and i believe we've got a real shot to come out of that convention with the democratic nomination. and if we do come out with the nomination, donald trump is toast. >> we are not going to lower social security benefits, we are going to expand social security benefits. by the way, i'm delighted that today president obama came on board the effort to make it
clear that we must expand social security benefits and i thank the president for coming on board. i've got some very specific legislation in that regard. secretary clinton, please come on board. tell the seniors and the disabled vets you're on their side. >> so joe, first of all, these polls that show this tightening, is it one of those things that washes away primary night? >> what's interesting, mika, we saw a poll a couple days ago that suggested this race was over. it was out at stanford, had a 13-point lead for hillary clinton. that made a lot of sense. bernie sanders has never won a state in this entire process when the state was more demographically diverse than the rest of the country. and hillary hasn't won a state where a state was less demographically diverse than the rest of the country. so california should be an easy win for hillary. the nbc poll yesterday, the
field poll today, suggests this is a tight race. it's going down to the very end. it's going to be extraordinarily important if not in the delegate count in the public relations game. a bernie sanders win in california is a political earthquake. it's that simple. >> joining us from san diego, nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent and host of andrea mitchell reports, andrea mitchell. how long ago did you realize you were going to san diego? apparently this trep out west was last minute? >> it was very last minute. within the last 48 hours they realized they have got a problem. their polling, i was talking to them the day before yesterday, mika, and theirs was also in single digits, their internal polls i am told. that's when they realized that they have got new jersey locked and they had to cancel new jersey events today. bill clinton coming later today
and also hillary clinton spending five days here. bernie sanders has done well when ep plants himself in a state and digs in and stays there. she's come back -- she went to kentucky, that's how she pulled that one out. she needs to be in california if she's going to have any chance of surpassing him here. this state, even though as you and joe are pointing out, it's a more diverse state. it's also far more liberal, far more progressive and in many ways it is more tailor made for him, there is a procedure under which independents can ballot, a partially open race, which is something he wanted. she's got to put this to rest. as joe said, this is an earthquake. there's no way to try to heal things between now and the convention, between june 7th and the convention, even as we expect she goes over the top june 7th with new jersey before polls are close, no chance
that's going to happen. if he wins this, this will be a huge moment. first she's coming here to deliver this really tough attack against donald trump's foreign policy. >> andrea, it's willie. it would be an earthquake in terms of perception, there's no question about it but in terms of the math, it's proportional representation. there's a chance that hillary clinton could have clinched the nomination before the polls even closed in california if she wins new jersey the way people think. that's the math. those are the facts of the situation. what is the case the sanders campaign will make there? >> their case is not internally coherent. they are arguing superdelegates don't matter, the system is rigged. they want to change this but they are relying on changing superdelegates. they will say we won the biggest state, if they win california. even though it's proportional she got as many delegates and she's over the top, we still have a chance with those superdelegates. the fact is that she could clinch it very easily with the
pledge delegates without even relying on the superdelegates getting the majority of the pledge delegates. then how do they make that argument. still, if he wins california, i guarantee you he's fighting -- i interviewed jane yesterday and what he is saying, he will not back down until the convention itself and it will give him much more leverage as he fights in the rules committee, platform committee. yesterday jeff leiber was on "hardball with chris matthews" at the same time with barney frank arguing barney frank should be removed as head of the rules committee because he's been such a passionate surrogate for hillary clinton. they are slugging it out bit by bit. this speech is going to be really tough against donald trump. you were pointing out in the previous hour, you were talking about the way she does not attack trump as coherently and effectively as barack obama surely. this could be a big test today, this speech. >> i think we got a little bit of a taste of it last night.
she was tough. she's getting tougher. andrea mitchell, thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe," new york attorney general eric schneiderman joins us to talk about the trump university case. plus, the revolution will have to be televised. >> really do my hair that week. >> a lot going on. >> make sure my hair is just perfect. >> senators like mark kirk who you just heard as well as governors and delegates say they will skip the trip to cleveland and watch the nomination of donald trump from home. jeremy peters of the "new york times" joins us with his latest reporting on these vulnerable republicans keeping their distance. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪ headache? motrin helps you be an unstoppable kind of mom. when pain tries to stop you, motrin works fast to stop pain. make it happen with motrin® liquid gels. also try motrin pm to relieve pain and help you sleep.
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donald trump says he wants next month's convention to have a show biz feel to it.
most every living presidential nominee. quote, this mass avoidance might seem on the surface to be yet another example of the party elite snubbing mr. trump in the kind of rejection he would welcome as a professed political outsider, but also reflects a deeper and more dangerous problem for him. mr. trump's popularity with republicans remains uncomfortably low. jeremy joins us from the capital. there's amazing stuff. go down the list of quotes. mark kirk we heard, i've got to do my hair that week, make sure my hair is perfect. i'll be back home in illinois, ron johnson in wisconsin, kind of looks like there's other stuff for me to do that week. senator says grandchildren in town and they don't like crowds. corporations, hp, coca-cola, microsoft, not getting behind the quen convention the way thee
in the past. >> reporter: that's exactly right, willie. talking to senators and lawmakers, what are you going to be doing that week? it was kind of like being asked out on a date with somebody they didn't really ever want to be seen with in public. there was a look of fright in their eyes, how do i answer this question. as you just laid out, we're talking about at least nine sitting u.s. republican governors saying they are either not going to go or not going to commit at this point right now. almost every single senator or congressman up for election in a tough race. then you have the people who are going to be there, who are going to be in republican warfare. susana martinez, head of her state's delegates still fighting with trump. paul ryan still.
this has potential to be a show and not in the way donald trump hopes it will be. >> john mccain, mitt romney, george w. bush, george h.w. bush, all of them said they will not be attending convention center. mccain says that's because he's got a primary he's fighting august 30th. what is the impact of all this, though? does it actually matter to donald trump these people are not in the room that week? >> i think on the one hand he's able to say, once again, look, the party elite is rejecting me and that's fine. i'm not one of them. i'm not a typical politician, i'm not an ordinary politician, that's fine. but you run the cold, hard numbers of it, it's not good for donald trump. you're a republican running for president, you want support of around 90, 95% of your own party. right now donald trump is hovering somewhere in the mid-80s.
he's a candidate with margin for error because of the trouble with women, hispanics, blacks. he doesn't have a lot of cushion there. >> jeremy, donny deutsch here. i've seen paul ryan as the "x factor" as every other part of the republican management. if i'm managing his brand and thinking about 2020, obviously he's doing to be at the convention. he's chairing it. i might never come around to backing trump if i'm paul ryan. i could argue for his brand going forward, or the most tepid endorsement possible. i don't think there's anything in it for ryan to go in for trump. >> i think at this point that's spot on, donny. i don't think -- if paul ryan wanted to endorse trump, he would have done it by now. you think about how different these two guys are. you have paul ryan who is kind of an ideological force in the party. he stands for what the republican party should be on a number of issues, entitlement reform to trade. he's a man of ideas.
trump is more a man of attitude. they couldn't be more different. >> all right, jeremy peters. thank you very much. i think paul ryan has got to hold out. >> it would be a terrible mistake. >> joe, in what lifetime would he do this? >> i don't know. you look at everything paul has fought for his entire adult life. whether it's free trade, donald is against him there. whether it's taxes, donald is against him there. if it's foreign policy, donald is against him on foreign policy, believes vladimir -- we're best served having vladimir putin there. tariffs against china, that goes against everything paul ryan believes. high tariffs in mexico, that goes against everything paul ryan believes. you go down the long list, paul
ryan said after their meeting donald trump shares his vision of a small federal government, no, he doesn't. he never has and he still doesn't. so i don't know. there are a lot of other people who contort and need to contort. i don't think paul ryan can afford to contort and throw away his beliefs and his values of over 20, 30 years. by the way, paul ryan gave -- i was a little disappointed when we came out so strongly against trump's muslim ban and more republicans didn't come out strongly against that muslim ban. paul ryan actually did. paul ryan, i was very heartened to see the highest ranking republican in the land saying that's not what this party is about. yet donald trump still stands by banning every single muslim in america. donald trump just this week
attacking an american born in the heartland, in indiana, because he may be of mexican heritage and suggests he can't be fair as a judge because even though he was born in indiana, he may be of mexican heritage. that is not paul ryan's republican party. so how does paul ryan endorse a candidate that continues at this late date to promote these disappointing views, unless trump comes to him? he can't go to trump. trump has to come to him on these issues. >> we're going to find out, joe, whether paul ryan wants to be equated with the likes of marco rubio. that's what we're going to find out. >> and these are the people in washington who are supposed to be standing for something. they are supposed to be standing for something. your party is on the line really. we'll be right back. check out my scar.
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the school was. that's why i want settle, it's an easy case to win in court. >> one of my questions, has he offered a settlement? has schneiderman offered you a settlement. >> i don't think i've given him the opportunity. we're going to do very well on the case. >> that was donald trump on our show in march talking about the attorney general. up next, eric schneiderman himself joins us take talk about the case that is now in the spotlight now that he's running for president. we'll be right back. why do people put milk on cereal? why does your tummy go "grumbily, grumbily, grumbily"? no more questions for you! ooph, that milk in your cereal was messing with you, wasn't it? try lactaid, it's real milk, without that annoying lactose. good, right? mmm, yeah. lactaid. the milk that doesn't mess with you.
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fleischer. ari, let me start with you, chief legal correspondent, lay out controversy back and forth. >> big controversy what trump university was, what it did, why some people are unhappy with it. others say they are very happy with what they have got. two big cases, one a consolidated class action in california. this is the one that's been in the news this week with newly unsealed documents. you basically say people thought they were going to get educated, instead they didn't, got shook down, didn't get education they promised. other customers disagree. that's why we have dueling narratives out of unsealed documents. add to that the very unusual and i've said inappropriate comments by donald trump sort of talking about the race of the judge and attacking the judge. relatively unheard of in the rough-and-tumble world of high-stakes litigation. door number two, which i don't have to speak about on "morning
joe," civil enforcement action in new york, separate case brought by attorney general looking at idea this was not an accredited university, fraudulent claims. both these cases from what i understand are open and are likely to be resolved at trial after the november election. >> so a lot of this looks slimy and sleazy to a lot of people bilking people out of money, making false promises. what is the specific crime as you see it? >> it's fraud. this is straight up fraud. it's like selling people a mercedes and getting a volkswagen. even if people say i kind of like the volkswagen, it's still fraud, not a mercedes. we are sensitive, you can't put up a sign saying scarboro university. >> i told him that. he did not listen to me. >> not a university. trump's role is the pitchman. we've got his videotapes and sworn testimony which undercuts every statement in the videotape.
my handpicked experts teach you personal secrets. he and the president of the university already testified under oath he never met the instructors, weren't handpicked, weren't experts. some of them came out of fast-food and retail and he had nothing to do with the supposed secrets, nothing to do with the curriculum. people were led to believe they were getting personal secrets of trump during hard economic times. we're talking 2008, 2009, 2010. people wanted to scramble to find a way to make money. he duped them in. thousands of people paid millions of dollars and we're out to get them their money back. >> you say duped. how much does it matter if people were confused in a reasonable or unreasonable way. there's an argument you go to steakhouse or trump soho you're not going to see the proprietor do much of anything, that according to his defense is baked into the branding. >> no, the law is very, very clear. the law protects the gullible as well as the sophisticated. as we've seen over the course of the last year, there are a lot of people who fall for mr. trump's promises and rhetoric.
in this case they were carefully documented plans. we've got the playbooks, the scripts for the instructor, scripts they used to call people up. they would question people, had a whole series to get at it to find out how much of a limit on their credit cards to make sure they could afford extra money. they say raise limit on credit card, can't succeed without the credit card then they would pay more for the seminars. >> i think this is one of the more devastating thing for mr. trump, anti-thesis, squashing the little guy. why would this case not be brought before the election. it's such a pivotal thing. >> we sued him in 2013. he says it's a political case. nobody in august 2013 thought this guy was going to be republican nominee for president. nobody thought that last year. >> why can't the trial happen
before august. >> we had a series of motions, appellate intermediate court ruled in our favor on every motion in march. now he's taking it to the highest court. once it's resolved it will go to trial. these cases take a little time. as the judge pointed out in the california cases he's releasing documents because there is a public interest reason for getting this out there. as he said, trump has called into question the judge. he's also called into question my character. he's questioning the legitimacy of the proceedings. it's good for the people to see what's really been going on in this case. >> has trump been deposed in this case? >> yes, trump has been deposed. >> where is his deposition? >> there is a deposition that has mostly been unsealed out in the california court. that's something that will happen, additional applications. >> you deposed donald trump, new york city attorney general's office deposed donald trump. >> we have deposed the president
of the university, not donald trump. >> you've never seen a more concise and narrow answer from donald trump as you see this. >> he was listening to his lawyer that day. >> are you going to depose donald trump. >> we don't need to depose donald trump. >> it would be fun. >> we're not here to have fun. >> legendary journalist mike barnicle. >> thousands of people bilked out of millions of dollars. our first priority is to get their money back and reestablish legitimacy of educational institutions in new york state. >> played a clip by mike barnicle if there have been any negotiations behind the scenes. have you spoken to donald trump about settlement. >> before the complaint was filed there were discussions. >> with donald trump. >> i didn't speak to him personally but our lawyers spoke to his lawyers. he did offer to settle. he settles cases all the time. >> within the sale process outlined by the depositions released in california and your explanations this morning, is donald trump personally involved in the marketing of this
product? >> donald trump's sole role was in marketing. he was the pitchman. we have videos of him making these false promises. he was not involved in the curriculum. he never met or trained the instructors but he was clearly in charge of pitching this scam university to people, convincing them that it was his personal secrets and saying things like, come to the weekend seminar, learn what it took me a whole lifetime to learn in real estate, can you, too. that was his role. >> you talk about him being personally on the hook. a lot of people feel that the way he's run his businesses, certainly the way he's used bankruptcy law means he's never on the hook. his defense that has been, hey, i didn't write these laws to begin with. why is he on the hook potentially in your case? >> in our case he has already ruled personally liable for running the university. someone to closely associated with an institution, has control over finances, you can't hide
behind the corporate shell. in this case we've won on that. he is running unlicensed university. once we get to the trial we'll establish what the damages are and how much people get back. >> for people following this on the political side of this, how long do you see it playing out? >> it's very hard to say. i would be surprised if any of the cases go to trial before the november election but there may be some other pretrial practices demonstrated last week. the judge in california released more documents, there may be more revelations but i don't think we'll have a trial until after the election. >> new york state attorney general eric schneiderman. thanks for being with us this morning. >> appreciate it. >> thank you as well, sir. still ahead on "morning joe." >> if she's the nominee, we want her to pick a progressive so we can really stand behind and know that we're getting a strong platform and we've transformed the democratic party over the course of this year. >> bernie sanders top surrogate, his wife jane, talking about the type of vice president hillary clinton needs if she wins and wants to unite the party.
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campaign trail. really? quinnipiac university poll finds only 19% believes trump will be able to fulfill his promise of deporting 11 million undocumented immigrants. 24% believe he will get mexico to pay for the border wall. and 29% believe that he can bar entry to muslims attempting to come into this country. the number increases when asked if trump will at least try to carry out his promises. 45% for deportations, 39% on the border wall and 42% on banning muslims. as for hillary clinton, just 9% believe she can get secret money out of politics. 15% think she can rein in wall street and 22% say they can enact debt-free public college. joe, i mean this is like approval ratings for these candidates. >> it's staggering. nick, in the future political
scientists, if no major third party candidate runs, political scientists will be saying what the heck were they thinking. here you have two candidates that nobody believes, two candidates that nobody likes. disapproval ratings for both candidates in the high 50s, low 60s. approval ratings in the high 20s, low 30s. by every metric, they are the least liked major party candidates to ever run for office. and yet there doesn't seem to be a viable alternative right now. it seems pretty shocking that somebody like hit romney wouldn't jump in and say who knows, i might be able to do it. >> obstacles are pretty well known. i can't tell if that's a distrust of these two people or also a distrust of the political establishment and the elite in general an unwillingness to believe change can happen in washington and i suspect that's probably a mix of both. what you're seeing here is trump
and clinton up against a general electorate, not just in the primary with voters who like them, but people outside the party. and they're saying i don't have much faith in either of these people. however, i would say that second question about is the person going to try to do it, it's pretty amazing i think that 40% of voters or more think that trump will actually dry to deport all the people here without papers. it's a big number. >> and also, mika, that he will try to actually ban all muslims from coming into the united states. again just laying to the lowest common denominator. what do you think about these historically low numbers and how does the quinnipiac poll play into all of the doubts and suspicions that most americans have? >> if there isn't some sort of other git, whicandidate, which there is mathematically no time for --
>> no, there still is time. i mean -- >> because if you could get someone in there who could raise the bar, who could sort of elevate the conversation, excite people. right now it's just a race to the bottom. any how, up next, countdown to a collision. donald trump made it clear he will go after president obama if the president decides to campaign for the democratic nominee. and we're already getting a preview of how that got a good look. pretty good for hillary clinton so far. "morning joe" back in a moment. " kind of woman. when pain tries to stop you, motrin works fast to stop pain. make it happen with motrin® liquid gels. also try motrin pm to relieve pain and help you sleep. imagine if the things you bought every day earned you miles to get to the places you really want to go. with the united mileageplus explorer card, you'll get a free checked bag, 2 united club passes...
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good job mentioning his own name. so i'll let him do his advertising for him. >> i wonder when we can expect you to get involved with the democratic race. will we see an endorsement soon? bernie sanders perhaps? >> well, i think that there has been a healthy debate in the democratic party. and it's almost over. i think both bernie sanders and hillary clinton are good people. >> i notice you don't mind using their names. >> well, you know, as i said, they're not as good as marketing. >> and good morning. it is thursday, june 2. welcome to "morning joe." joe, the president kind of semikind of dissing trump by not dissing trump sort of. >> he doesn't want to bring his name up. it's interesting, these guys have a remarkable symbiotic relationship. the president's perceived
weakness on terror attacks overseas helped donald trump in the republican primary. but the rise of donald trump and hillary clinton's problems have helped barack obama's numbers come go up. latest gallup poll has him over 50%. that is pretty incredible eight years in this divided country we live in. and i just got to believe it's because people are comparing the two and they seem to help each other and their own base groups. >> you might want to name names with those approval ratings. with us onset, we have mike barnicle. i just had to tell him to sit up. this is like old home week. we have joe washington, katty kay, and it says here -- >> say it. >> no, i can't. >> you can say it. it's in the prompter. it says legendary barnicle thing. i can quota may 1999 forbes
article that called me legendary. you do not own legendary. i'm sorry. >> we don't want to talk about why you were legendary. >> i've sat idly listening to this word. enough. >> the most disturbing shot on instragram a couple days ago. >> there it is. >> any, quote, legendary status is just gross. >> it's early. >> look at you. you know what that is called, that is called human growth hormone. willie, do 70-year-old dudes look like that? >> is that a tanning cream or tanning bed? in th >> that is a lenggendary arm. don't be hating. it's possible it for the aging population to age gracefully. >> that's not graceful.
that's not graceful. >> hatesing on you, donny. >> they're jealous. >> hgh. >> all right. i'm going to get to some politics. joe, please, let's keep the peace here. now that i have the -- it's not graceful, that's pathetic and needy, okay? you heed to stop. at some point just stop and be graceful. >> do not mock muscle and fitness magazine. president obama went after donald trump while on the road yesterday. he returned to elkhart, indiana, a city he first visited at president back in 2009. the president credited his open policies with bringing that city back from economic collapse while hitting donald trumpopen policies with bringing that city back from economic collapse while hitting donald trump on everything from his tax plan to his immigration policy. >> the republican nominee for president's tax plan would give the top one tenth of 1% a bigger tax cut than the 120 million americans of the households at the bottom. it would explode our deficits by
nearly $10 trillion. i'm not making this up. you can look at the math. that will not bring jobs back. that is not fighting for the american middle class. that will not help us win. that is not going to make your lives better. that will help people like him. deporting 11 million immigrants not only is that a fantasy, that would cost taxpayers billions of dollars and tear families apart and just logistically would be impossible. and the one thing i can promise you is if we turn against each other based on divisions of race or religion, if we fall for, you know, a bunch of okey-doke just
because, you know, it -- you know, it sounds funny or the tweets are provocative, then we're not going to build on the progress that we started. if we get cynical and just vote our fears, or if we don't vote at all, we won't build on the progress that we started. >> this is a president who doesn't have a clue. and this president now is very -- because he'll start campaigning. well, if he campaigns, that means i'm allowed to hit him just like i hit bill clinton, i guess, right? if he doesn't, i don't care. but if he campaigns, and i think he wants, to because he wants to keep this terrible agenda going where everybody is ripping us with the world ripping us off. >> assuming president obama will
be campaigning for the democratic nominee in the fall as we mentioned, he will bring a 51% job approval rating according to balance lop on gal trail. he hit the 50% mark as you mentioned, joe, back this march. so president obama and donald trump at it. and so, too, donald trump and hillary clinton going of a it, especially for trump u. >> you look at barack obama and you saw especially those first few lines of attacks that he had on his tax plan, on his immigration plan. and you actually saw something that you haven't seen this entire election season. and that is a politician capabye and ably going after donald trump in a way that resonates.
so many exit the stage without laying a glove on him. i thought yesterday that was a pretty effective line of attack from barack obama and, you know, donald trump coming back attacking him, it doesn't look funny in that instance, it looks shrill. and it has a lot to do with tone. but that's something for some reason that no republican or hillary had been able to do effectively. >> i've heard hillary say similar words, i've heard her talk about his tone. >> barack obama is the difference maker. those two clips joe just alluded to show it again vividly. you have the president of the united states and then you have a guy in a hat. >> it's interesting, we talk about a 50% approval rating across the country. he's over 60% in california. not that california is exactly a swing state. but joe, you and i have fought a lot over the years about barack obama, but you cannot argue that this gentleman is looking stunningly presidential compared to trump and hillary and he does
speak with a gravitas. when you hear him talk about the $11 trillion and the divisiveness, there is a d gravitas that nobody else has brought. >> and he does it in a way that seems to be making fun of donald trump without donald trump getting under his skip. he seemed totally in control, barack obama. and he seemed to enjoy taking to donald trump. >> willie, you know, that is something that we've said here from the very beginning, the way you beat donald trump is not getting angry and rising up or even getting down in the gutter with donald trump. you sort of mock him lightly. and this is something that barack obama can do and he's president of the united states, so, yes, he looks presidential after eight years. but it's also something that if joe biden were running against him he could effectively do. i would say if mitt romney were running against him, he could effectively do it.
anybody that had gravitas, anybody that had an air about them that, again, as mike said, would look much more presidential and then you go to the attack where a guy in a hat yelling insults. >> yeah, i also think part of it is because it's new. we haven't seen president obama do this in this way and come out. i think now president obama sees donald trump as a real threat. if he was a joke in the months past to everybody and to president obama, now he sees this as a threat not only to his legacy, that's yes wants hillary clinton to run and that's why he'll be out stumping with her, but generally to the country, i think he's personally offended by the things that donald trump says and by the idea that he's proposed for the country. so he feels like he needs to get out there now and he will and defend not only his legacy, but the country. >> and i think things are going to start changing dramatically in this campaign and you will have a lot of different lines of attacks. barack obama coming out there will make it very interesting. we'll see again how donald trump
handles it. he been the last two or three weeks especially shrill. seeming to actually get off of his game. i think the pressure only picks up between now and november and it will be fascinating to see how he responds. >> do you know what is interesting, that since march, and accepts march trump has kind of obviously brought the party together and hillary stump blink. but the trend in the polls, he's only moved a point or two in the last several months given that it's been his moment and anti-moment for hillary. so there is a kind of trend of a lack of growth, if you will, given the situation that why think bodes well for him. and joe, i can't remember the last week or would -- i went on this program about a month or two ago and said i think this guy will win. but i feel differently now. there is no logic as to why he's not only not pivoting, but seems to be stumbling backwards. on some level i don't think he
wants to be president because i can't explain it any other way. >> and that's what i've said. maybe this guy doesn't want to be president. because it's not like we haven't been telegraphing every day what he has to do. you know, two, three weeks ago compa, he's in trouble with women, with hispanics, he needs to act more presidential, he needs to do all of these things that i know his family has been telling him privately and he's become more shrill by the day. whether you're talking about attacking sus suzanne in a mart, calling reporters sleaze bags, this is not a man who seems to want to be president of the united states. it just didn't make any accepts unless he has a political death wish. he didn't expect to be here. maybe he doesn't want to be here. maybe he wants to go back to golfing every day and driving around in his rolls-royce.
>> for people who know him, seems like the only action -- his legal battles are taking center stage in the race for the white house. a new report from "usa today" found trump and his businesses have been involved in at least 3500 lawsuits over three decades. an unprecedented number for a presidential nominee. that number includes 70 new cases filed in the last year. evenly split between ones he's filed and others have filed. analysis of similar businesses his size found his number of lawsuits tar above tfar above t. hillary clinton has been named in more than 900 lawsuits mostly as a defendant with happy directed at the government. yesterday trump undertook some damage control after a document dump in his court struggle with former students of his for-profit real estate program. katy tur has the details.
>> reporter: donald trump selling the american dream on the campaign trail. >> i will give you everything. >> reporter: but his now defunct for-profit university is accused of crushing that dream, scamming hopeful students with false promises. >> success, it will happen to you. >> reporter: trump's secrets to selling unsealed by a federal judge. hundreds of documents including testimony from one former sales manager saying trump university was a fraudulent scheme that preyed upon the elderly and uneducated to separate them from their money. another sales executive saying it was just selling false hopes and lies. the candidate facing trial in november is now calling out the ethnicity of the case's indiana-born judge. >> the judge, who happens to be we believe mexican, which is great. what the judge is doing is a total disgrace. >> reporter: trump's lawyers deny fraud and point nbc news to
this campaign video. >> i must tell thought courses that i took were outstanding. railroad the university seminars were aggressively upsold from $1500 to $35,000. students allegedly encouraged to max out their credit cards. >> i was highly deceived. >> reporter: this plaintiff says he drained his retirement to pay for trump university. >> i get the sick feeling in my stomach to not only see that, you know, from my own personal experience, but i see him playing the same exact cards with this whole country. >> so joe, hillary clinton capitalized on the revolutions at a rally in newark yesterday trying to demonstrate that they are part of a wider trump narrative. >> his own employees testified that trump u -- you can't make this up -- that trump u was a fraudulent scheme where donald trump enriched himself at the
expense of hard working people. this is just more evidence that donald trump himself is a fraud. he is trying to scam america the way he scram all those people at trump u. it's important that we recognize what he has done because today's usually a pretty good kaeter of what he will to. >> pretty strong. clinton's campaign also retweeted old tweets from both mitt romney and marco rubio that criticized donald trump on trump university and clinton is said to broaden her attacks today delivering what is billed as a major national security speech, her campaign is promising to contrast donald trump's incessant trash talking of america. trump meanwhile was quick to attack clinton during a rally in
sacramento last night. >> hillary is not atal leptsed person. she's a person with absolutely no naturaltal lepts. all you have to do is watch her speak. and have you ever noticed even for a minor speech, she has teleprompters. do i have teleprompters here? no. but she's got like these meanin speeches and she's going we're going to win in the north, south, east and west. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. oh, boy. so insincere. hillary clinton, and this is 100%, hillary clinton who lies -- i mean she lies. you remember that? i started that -- she lies. she lies. she made a speech and she's making another one tomorrow. and they sent me a copy of the speech. and it was such lies about my foreign policy that they said i want japan to nuke.
i want japan to get nuclear weapons. give me a break. >> i mean, if anything, joe, he's still talking to the base. and as donny just pointed out, comparatively in those two sound bites from hillary clinton attacking him, eloquently and strongly i thought effectively to donald trump in the hat, he looked almost unhinged. like he needed a prompter really badly. >> again, there are, katty kay, for some time we've heard reports in the press that the family has been trying to get donald trump to look more presidential. paul manafort has been trying to get donald trump to look more presidential. they obviously are losing that battle. here we are in the general election for the most part, we might as well be, and he's talking about her speaking ability and just says she lies, lie, ls lies, lie, like he's running
against ted cruz here. he's regressing as a political candidate and it's one of the more baffling things i've ever seen. >> almost there is a sense of despair about the way he reaches for superlatives. it's not just they has no talent. she has absolutely no talent. she is a liar. as much he can almost will himself to make this the truth. and if you contrast that to what hillary clinton was saying yesterday, i was at that rally in rutgers and she seemed to just -- she seemed to i would say to be very happy up there on the stage. she seemed to enjoy this new line of attack on him. she came straight at him on trump university. it was the first thing she said. but she had specific. she was going after trump u. that was fraudulent. she wasn't saying he is blanket a fraud. there a difference in tone about it. you listen to donald trump in that clip and it sound s slighty desperate. >> still ahead -- >> wall street says they can
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tightening. latest poll shows hillary clinton up just two points. >> that's a surprise. >> wasn't it a much wider swing just days ago? >> yeah, a couple days ago, there was a poll out i think from stanford that had hillary up 13 points. so i thought it was over when i saw that. suddenly that changes everything. this california race is so critical, it if bernie sanders were to pull off a shocking upset out there, she would have to consider him as vice president, she would have to give him will so much more than i know that -- if she wins by double digit, then she can do what she wants. but this race has such an impact on the convention. >> there is a reason he's not leaving. >> what is scary for her, in any of these primary races where he has spent a lot of time, he outperforms the polls. >> and we'll show you he is
goading help by the way. so if you goyou expand the ques bernie sanders leads by one poec point. and this was not lost on the senator from vermont. >> hillary clinton racing to california, bill clinton racing to california. maybe they think this campaign is not quite over. and i believe we've got a real shot to come out of that convention with the democratic nomination. and if we do come out with the nomination, donald trump is toast. >> still in an interview with the associated press, harry reed said that bernie sanders needs to recognize, quote, sometimes you justreed said that bernie sanders needs to recognize, quote, sometimes you just have to give up. add be i've never been too
gooded a matt, but i can figure it out. >> what an uplifting message. >> he says it so knowingly. >> like our parents would they would hold us on their knee and we'd say we wanted to quit and instead of telling us to fight on, they said, you know, senator harry reid what he always says, statement you just have to give up, joey. >> your mom had that stitched on a throw pillow. i remember it that. right there on her rocking chair. that's what hillary supporters have been saying to him for weeks now. it's time to step aside. and that only emboldens bernie sanders supporters. only makes him want to go further and further. mathematically, though, harry reid is right. that is a proportional contest in california. if it's a close race and they split the votes, hillary clinton becomes the nominee. the argument by the sanders campaign is that that includes superdelegates and super delegates should not get count
and he wants to go to the convention and convince those superdelegates that they should come to his side. the other part of his argument is what you heard right there, which is i'm the one who beats donald trump head to head. i'm the one if you put me in who will beat donald trump. >> and next wednesday will be a really interesting day for the democratic party because next wednesday whether hillary clinton wins or loses narrowly this california, she will be way over the top in terms of delegates needed to get that nomination. and you're going to have a series of major democratic officials in this country both elected and appointed saying bernie, time for you to go home. and that might include elizabeth warren incidentally. and when that happens, you're going to find out who bernie sanders really is. is he a guy who recognizes who he is and he's led a great movement for 50 years and it's culminated this spring, or is he the guy that they know in the united states senate, the guy who want united states senator, has never known how to be a
partner. >> you know he's not going away. >> the thing is, though, what we have here, if i'm bernie sanders and i win california, i say wait a second, you can't add the superdelegates because the superdelegates don't vote until the convention. we are building a movement, the movement grows by the day. we get more people out every day than hillary ever will. we get more donors sending their money to us than hillary does every day. she has to fly off to new york and connecticut for fund-raisers with rich people. people just send us money. we're in the middle of a movement. why don't we not short scircuit the process and let the process play out the way the rules say. let the superdelegates make their mind up at the convention when they actually vote. stop trying to short circuit this process like they're trying to short circuit the debate process. >> yes, from the get c-go.
>> mika, i'm reminded of iowa. the results were still coming in in iowa and it looked like it was too close to call. the democratic party in iowa rigged hillary sipt esupporter, actually called the election before they should have. it was rigged. >> they thought it was going to go away. >> same thing when you came to the debate process. the debate process clearly rigged. and here we have once again everybody talking about let's rig the process, forget the fact that the rules say the superdelegates vote at the conventions. we don't know what's going to happen between now and the conventions. we don't know what the fbi will say. we don't know what other igs will say. let the superdelegates vote. when the superdelegates are supposed to vote by the rules. and stop short circuiting the process. that is what bernie sanders should say. coming up on "morning
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gary johnson got 1% of the vote last time. i watched that whole situation, it was really pretty disgraceful. i think it's a total fringe deal. i think he's a fringe candidate. i watch his motions and what he says. i think he's a fringe candidate. and your second, well, is -- when you to a little research on that, i think it won't be factor, okay? >> that was donald trump writing off libertarian gary johnson's candidacy as a fringe deal and joining us now, steve kornacki, you no what i call you, the rage, author and columnist for the new york daily news mike lupica. this third party hope, is it a fringe deal? >> the question is right now a lot of people are to figure out
who it will draw from more. will it hurt donald trump more, will it hurt hillary clinton more. our own rage in a blue sweater steve kornacki has been looking into this. as you dig into the early numbers, all very early, all very preliminary, what are you seeing? >> so it's interesting. the question too and the big challenge for the libertarian, they have to be included in these polls in the first place. so two of them have done it so far. two polls have included gary johnson. he's run at 10% in both of them. and what it tells you is we're in a situation we've never been in before where both major party candidates have they go difference ratings, well over 50%, neff been in that position before. so that's the opening. and i look at the libertarians on paper and i say it's a right of center, anti-government party. maybe it's drawing more from the republicans. but when you break it down in the one poll that broke down by party that we've seen so far, he was drawing equally from democrats and republicans and an even bigger share from republicans.
and there is a couple possibilities there. one includes just basically when you have two major party candidates with negatives that high, the third party candidate functions as a none of the above option. another new one yesterday included jill tistein, the gree party candidate, as well. libertarians think this is the one election when they can make the debate stage this fall. if you want to make the debate stage, you need to be at 15% in the polls. so, a, need to be in the polls to hit 15% obviously and we should say nbc wall street journal poll, we are not yet including them in the polls. but b, you have to be the only third party included in the polls. because when you throw jill stein in, it moves votes away from the libertarians. >> mike lupica, rand paul, their brand is small government. gary johnson, his brand is legalization of pot.
that's what he's -- i'm serious. through the years he's seen as a liberal libertarian. p today's why i think it's harder to figure out exactly who he draws from. and also trump is a big government guy. so it's hard to tell which direction this cuts. >> i was just happy to find out that gary actually had a brand, joe. i didn't know that he had one until -- no, i didn't know that he had one until now. joe, have you always wondered -- and i know people down play this from the 2000 election. ralph nader did have an impact. it wasn't the biggest thing that cost gore the election, but it's ridiculous to assume that he did not hurt gore in an election that came down to, you know, scraps of paper 16 years ago. and the unknowable thing, because i think these polls right now -- it's like looking ahead to a mock draft for the nfl in 2017.
i think it's just a snapshot in time. with gary johnson hurt hillary clinton about that because i think it's more likely that it will hurt her than trump. . >> you look also at the fact that you have if greene green party candidate, you can expect a lot of voters if peace not made at the convention, 2%, 3%, 4% of those young bernie voters will go with a green party or libertarian candidate. >> we had an interview bill weld, he will be the vp on the libertarian ticket, and i said how can the libertarian party appeal to supporters of the social socialists. but they think they can bring in young left of center supporters.
>> i think it makes more accese bernie voters. >> they have nominated the most credible ticket they have ever put on, two former two term governors. >> i think johnson/weld becomes the alternative republican third party ticket. i don't think it becomes a pull from both sides. i think this is what bill kristol is trying to put together. i think it probably hurts trump. >> mike lupica, you have been writing about paul ryan making a decision. delve into that more. >> it's not breaking new that's is in a complete no win situation. and he's thinking about 2020. they want an endorsement for 2016. and what i've been asking and i'm not the only person asking this, if you gave paul ryan truth serum, who does he want to be the next president of the united states? because if he's got ambitions
about being president positihim he doesn't want trump to win. but every time i hear him saying we're having productive conversations, meaning him and trump, about what? what possible productive conversations would ever get his beliefs aligned with donald trump's beliefs? >> what is unbelievable is the fact that he said that donald trump shares his small government values. there is nothing that donald trump has said in this campaign, nothing that he said over the past 20, 30, 40 years that suggests that. in fact on the central issue for a small government conservatives, the reform of entitlements that will bankrupt america over the next 20, 25 years, donald trump says not only no, he says hell no. we're not going to touch social security, we're not going to touch medicare. we're going to keep going down a disastrous path that will bankrupt america. how does paul ryan get behind that? >> i think that the problem that a lot of republicans who are
still on the fence so to speak like paul ryan are confronting is unfortunately they're not saying, oh, these aspects of donald trump that i really like and these i don't. you know what they're thinking? they're thinking how do i do this. how do i actually do this and still survive. i mean, there is no reason for them to do it. there is no reason, steve kornacki, for paul ryan to endorse donald trump. there is nothing donald trump has ever said that makes him worthy of paul ryan's endorsement. there is nothing. do i need to say this? >> here's where i think the reason could do down. if you're thinking about running in 2020 and you're thinking about hillary clinton maybe beating touchdown this year, you don't want to be the one republican who is blamed for not rallying around donald trump it if it's a close election and having donald trump and having republicans support donald trump
spend the next four years saying we almost beat her, we were there and the speaker of the house still -- >> so the guy who spends all his life doing the right thing will do the wrong thing. >> and this is a guy who stood on small government principles for his he whole career. he endorses donald trump who is a big government guy, donald trump loses, he suffers reputation. i think he gains nothing. >> but if the whole party is there, because with see it now, 86% -- >> and then he can prove the whole party wrong. >> the party is a mess. >> but paul ryan is the high priest of the cathedral of inta inta intellectual conservative. donald trump wants to leads the party in a totally different direction. it is fundamentally at odds. >> that fence you're talking about, that fence that he's setting on, it has like barbed wires the kind of accepts you see outside prisons. >> this is not --accepts you see
outside prisons. >> this is not -- >> i think his win situation is to not endorse. there is a win situation and he holds his fire, he doesn't endorse. >> mike lupica and steve kornacki, thank you very much. excuse the outburst. such a hypocrisy, though. mitch mcconnell, nothing. he has nothing good to say about donald trump. not one good thing. ari 234r50ishefleischer, not on thing to say about the guy and endorses him. >> i knew you would blow one these days. >> i just did. is the show over yet? >> not yet. bubble in squeak, bankers in mash, the british have lingo all of their own. you were wondering where i was going. there is one key term that donald trump should really brush up on before he heads across the pond next month to check out his golf course. we'll explain that ahead.
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after a conversation about the rise of nationalists if europe, michael wolf who we had on the show yesterday asked and brexit, your position? huh, said trump? brexit, wolf repeated. the brits leaving the eu. oh, yeah, trump said, i think they should leave. okay. >> katty, how does that make you feel? >> it is sort of the only thing people are talking about in britain. fish and chips and brexit. >> there you go. joining us now, chief international correspondent michelle caruso-cabrera onset. good to have you. >> good to be here. >> where do you want to start? >> we can start with brexit. it's big at cnbc because it moves the pound. every time there is a new poll, it shows it's close, pound got pounded, fell dramatically. and so we watch that a lot. i was in london all last week
talking to a lot of people in the financial world. they want to leave a lot of them. they don't have a fear of leaving. they positiositio think it woul for the tax system. a lot position tthink the eu is ship. and even though they don't have the euro, they're getting more and more frustrated with it. >> and saudi arabia getting in on uber. >> they will invest $3.5 billion in uber. so saudi arabia needs to diversify its economy. so this is one of many things that the country says it will do. on the other side of the coin what is interesting to us, in the old days like ten years ago, uber will already be a publicly traded company, but many companies avoid going public. but if you need money, you have to go somewhere. in the old days, you would raise money in the market. now they're getting private investments. and this speaks to that.
mark cuban thinks it's wrong, uber should be public right now. he's angry about it. >> and he says it like that? >> yes, he does actually. >> all right. elon musk. >> he was interviewed yesterday in california and he says apple will have a car by 2020. and he thinks apple will produce a better car than google even though we all know -- >> just curious. >> he thinks it will be better car. >> i was in the apple store with my daughter and she dropped her phone on the shelf and it cracked. she was buying a case. >> timing is everything. >> really. it's ridiculous. this is their way of scamming millions --
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that's a warning sign. >> katty kay. >> a lot of people in the financial world to know what brexit means and they think britain will be better pulling out. >> and senator mark kirk will spend a week in july combing his hair. >> and joe, anything or nothing? >> you know, i don't know. listen, if it's way too early, my friends, it is "morning joe." stick around, because who is coming up next? the rage in the blue sweater. he's mad as hell. and he's not going to take it anymore. ladies and gentlemen, we the genius bar give you steve kornacki. >> watch out. good morning. everybody. 159 days until election day. i'm steve kornacki here in new york. topping the agenda right now, clinton on the attack. she's calling donald trump a fraud as she prepares to take him on more directly than ever in a major speech just hours fr

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