New hampshire including education round table. But before he heads to the granite state, senator kaine joins the conversation right here on morning joe. Thats going to do it for us on this thursday. Im betty nguyen alongside louis burgdorf, morning joe starts right now. Mexico will work with us. I absolutely believe it. Especially after meeting with their wonderful, wonderful president today, i really believe they want to solve this problem along with us and im sure they will. Whered a qukt screening occurs. Ill ask the department of safe that has been brutalized by Hillary Clinton. Brutalized. Homeland security and the department of justice to begin a comprehensive review. I call it extreme vetting, right . Extreme vetting. I want extreme. Its going to be so tough. Good morning. Its thursday, september 1st. September. Where did it go . What just happened . Tick tick. Welcome to morning joe. Time to get ready for school, everybody. With us on set we have veteran columnist and msnbc contributor, mike barnicle. Wait, do that, again. We were switching to epic. Legendary. Nicolle wallace along with willie, joe and me and a lot to talk about. Wow. What happened. You had in mexico he was trying to be a diplomatic and then the red meat. He was just churning it out in the crowd. Somebody got into primary
mode. Shooting out all over the place. He looked for a minute. Ill duck as you throw things at me. I gave him an a plus for the stage craft and i broke twitter. He stood next to a world leader and calm down. Calm down. The mexican president. But, the question that i had. The bigger point is the stage craft. Optics. It looks like the unga backdrop and he pulled off what 25 minutes of looking different than normal. But then that changed. We saw yesterday a vivid, vivid example of political contortionism. It was incredible. In the space of six hours you had two different people. Just incredible. This is a problem,
politically, is in my First Campaign i was way ahead. So, my opponent tried to paint me as this right wing rabid, christian conservative. Which is a joke. Everybody laughed. You made this joke. But i was the right wing ralph Reid Christian coalition candidate. They use that to scare everybody. And then they would alternately get old clips of where my band had played and said i was a scum bag rock musician. Right. Thats closer to the truth. Thats closer to the truth. What did that do . It was mixed messages. Not only did neither message hit, they worked, they effectively canceled each one out. So, trump yesterday hes diplomat and then hes red meat
populo populous. So at the end of the day, neither one has an impact. I thought yesterday was a microcosm of his campaign. He has a flash of maybe this guy looks like he could be president but a long enough history that i dont think many people bought that. He turned to the mexican president and said it is a great honor. I consider you a friend. He is speaking in diplomatic terms. The minute he landed back on United States soil. If there was any questioning about a softening, this was a primary speech from last year. He talked about a new special Deportation Task force. He wanted to leave no question that there is amnesty. No amnesty. If you come in this country illegally, we will find you and uproot you and remove you from the United States. There was a softening in the afternoon. Something happened. Something happened and had him change things. But his words, his words, not ours. Were journalists and we just thats not funny. When you consider the day, though, the one issue that propelled his candidacy, the foundation of his candidacy. He walked away from it in mexico city. Returned to it in phoenix, arizona. In the space of six hours. From 4 00 p. M. Eastern until 10 30 p. M. Eastern. I defy you to tell me what his immigration policy is. Can i ask this question of anybody around the table. How do you have one issue that is your key issue, which is building the wall. Which is stupidest thing ive ever heard. That that is in the punchline in your rally, right . And then you go to mexico and you claim you dont even bring it up to the mexican president. How does one do that . Apparently it did come up. That is kind of a mess, too. Hes saying they discussed it, but didnt discuss payment. Okay. Lets actually hear from joes right, its in dispute. My understanding is that there was some issues that were prewired before this meeting and that was one of them. And that happens in meetings with leaders all the time. With people. Dont say leaders. With people. The fact that that ended up in dispute before he was even wheels up suggests like a lot of things he does, it was not all buttoned down beforehand. I think this notion that he had all his leaders out and all his surrogates up talking about sau softening his position. That tame is what left me up watching the whole immigration. He made fools of every Single Person on this campaign who talked about how he was going to soften his position on immigration. Lets take a look at this. In joint remarks after the meeting, donald trump said he and the mexican president did not discuss his promise to make mexico pay for the wall. We didnt discuss that. We didnt discuss who pays for the wall. We didnt discuss. We did discuss the wall, we didnt discuss payment of the wall. That will be for a later date. This was a very preliminary meeting. An excellent meeting. Why wouldnt you discuss that . That has been his punchline the entire campaign and you go down and you talk to the president of mexico. You get him right there. Youre both sipping coffee. And youre looking at him and youre going, nice place. You dont say that. You say, hey, were building a wall and youre going to pay for it. If thats the center of your campaign, how do you not get the job done when youre there . For anyone who doubted it because of what he did in mexico city he went to phoenix and said it ten times. 100 theyll pay for the wall. He was just there a couple hours earlier and he had the guy
in front of him across the table. You know what he was doing. Can you guys just stop. No, he choked. I cant stand people who choke under pressure. Neaths that we covered and this is a joke. Were trying to make this into something its not. Can we please just get it over with. Im going to continue. This stupidity. This ridiculous session of fringe altright republican candidate had with the president of mexico about a wall that is never going to happen. Please, lets not pretend this is some sort of Foreign Policy discussion. This is stupidity. He couldnt even get it right. He couldnt get it right. He couldnt even get this right. Mexican president face pena nieto that mexico fund the wall. Talking to social media he wrote at the beginning of the
conversation with donald trump, i made it clear that mexico will not pay for the wall. And from there, the conversation that addressed other issues and developed in a respectful manner. Mexico Secretary Foreign Affairs also weighed in saying, in meeting, the president was strong in that mexico does not pay for the wall. Position not negotiable. The meeting was the first part of the discussion and it was not a negotiation and that would have been inappropriate. It is unsurprising that they hold two different views on this issue and we look forward to continuing the conversation. So, after all of that, after the trip to mexico, this is what donald trump said after he was diplomatic in mexico. This is just sort of a stem winder that he delivered last night almost trying to prove that the softening that they had experienced earlier in the afternoon. And that they had seen in vivid display in mexico. From amnesty don was no longer the case. Just flip it. He had toughened up in phoenix. Number one, are you ready . Are you ready . We will build a great wall along the southern border. And mexico will pay for the wall. 100 . They dont know it yet, but theyre going to pay for the wall. On day one, we will begin working on a physical, tall, powerful, beautiful, southern border wall. We will use the best technology,
including above and below ground sensors thats the tunnels. Remember that, above and below. Towers. Aerial surveillance and manpower to supplement the wall find and dislocate tunnels and keep out criminal cartels and mexico, you know that, will work with us. I really believe it. We are going to triple the number of i. C. E. Deportation officers. Within i. C. E. , i am going to create a new special Deportation Task force focused on identifying and quickly removing the most dangerous criminal Illegal Immigrants in america who have evaded justice, just like Hillary Clinton has evaded justice. Ookay. Maybe theyll be able to deport her. Okay, so, kind of confused because you asked donald trump if he was going to have a Deportation Task force back in november. And he goes, yeah. Yeah. Ill have a Deportation Task force. And the past couple weeks they have been denying that they were going to have any Deportation Task force. All of them. All of the surrogates have been denying that they will have a Deportation Task force. Last night donald said, theyre going to have a special new and improved Deportation Task force. Its so confusing for young minds such as ours. Ill tell you what. What . I think theres not much to talk about because i think that its impossible to talk and have a conversation about nothing. I mean, it really is. He brings nothing to the table. He says one thing, he says another. He is absolutely, theres nothing there in this candidate. But it makes for some great art. You got a great song out of it. Great, i love it. What are you talking about . Your song, amnesty don. I explained on the Facebook Page willie and i were in amsterdam. For the day. For the day. Because at this point you have to laugh. Im going to go to javier. So good. Well play a little. We ran inthis young man and we got a tape yesterday. Lets bring in the president and the ceo of the United StatesHispanic Chamber of commerce. Javier, is there a legitimate conversation to have . What was your take from yesterday . You know, it makes for great television, but i agree with mika. There is nothing there. This man began his campaign on this issue. Collaborated with the george w. Bush institute on a study found that net migration between mexico and america was basically 20,000 people and a nation of this size, thats practically zero. So, javier, let me ask you this question. Going to mexico than the other way around. What the chamber position. Have you all figured out and im being dead serious here what exactly he said yesterday. The totality of yesterday. Im not even trying to be funny. What is his position . Because he seems to be trying to have it all. Throws the red meat out while he suggests that perhaps hes not going to deport families that have been here for ten years. What did you all take out of yesterdays events and what exactly is Donald Trumps position because the times and other publications cant quite figure it out. Therein lies the quandary that he has painted himself into this box. He had to come back out and really kind of fire up his base. But the reality of it is, he hasnt done anything to help himself in terms of growing the number. I think hes done for with the hispanic community. Hes never going to see the white house if he doesnt get a significant portion of the hispanic vote. I dont know if you guys speak spanish but i want you to remember this one word. It means clown. You know, this guy is a complete clown. Im really sad for the American People and for the Republican Party. They had an opportunity to put john kasich, you know, front and center. Instead, they ended up with its a complete waste of time. We need to get on with it already. The nation has other things to worry about. Immigration reform is a monster that he created so he could sleigh it at the end of the day. Its not going to change things for this nation as we move forward here. We have to deal with a broken immigration system, obviously. But it has to be done in a strategic fashion that makes sense on a Going Forward basis
to fire up people and get this kind of hate filled, you know, this movement of hatred. It doesnt solve anything. Willie geist. We all saw the numbers after the 2012 election and Republican Leadership and their postmortem report knew exactly what they had to do in 2016 which was boost their numbers among latinos. It is flatlined, at best. Anything donald trump can do in the next two months given all he said for 14 months that could change the tide . No, absolutely not. After last night, that was an extra nail in the coffin. Hes done for. For the reality of it is there was great work done by the likes of john mccain and jeff blake and john cornyn and others that are compassionate conservatives that were trying to broaden the tent and bring a broader consistency, constituency into the Republican Party. Donald trump has laid all of that. There is no going back. That is so sad. It is. So true. I thank you so much for being on the show. Thank you. Word of the day. I can say that. It really does stick. Trumps tough tone took at least some of his supporters by surprise. Overnight, politico reported that several of his latino surrogates are now reconsidering their support. A houstonbased immigration attorney tells politico he has resigned from trumps advisory council. I was a strong supporter of donald trump when i believe he was going to address the problem. What i heard today was not realistic and not compassionate. And alfonso, a prominent latino conservative who organized a letter of support signed by himself and others also tweeted. This is how i feel. Disappointed and misled. But trump supporter, nope, move
up. Move up. Nope. Nope. Just dont even. Move up the prompter. I dont want to read that. If you want really documented evidence of the fact that donald trump does live in a parallel universe, there was an element in his speech last night. Maybe we can find it was towards the end when he talked about the first hour of his presidency. What he would do in the first hour of his presidency that he would remove everyone here who is here in this country illegally. Within the first hour of this presidency. Start building the wall at the same time. If we can find that clip and you listen to that and say hes not dealing in reality here. What is remarkable. The other thing in the news today is that he is, the polls have tightened. Nationally and in some of the swing states and he does this. This will win him not one vote. This speech last night got him the 40 of the republicans that
are already with him. This morning the polls have tightened a little bit nationally and in wisconsin. This speech moves him backwards. So, when he loses and i think he is set up to lose, it will be because he can never sort of expand beyond the 40 of the republicans that he got to vote for him and support him enthusiastical enthusiastically. What he did yesterday was display an ability, 23 minutes of it in mexico city to possibly perhaps maybe talk to somebody other than the 40 . And he came back and sort of whip lashed back to his instinct, which is to thrill the 40 . He plays to the 40 , 41 , 42 . And he, and then he decides hes going to expand his base. Hes done it on immigration and all these different issues. He goes out and then he gets criticized and then immediately he doesnt have the courage to stay up and then immediately
runs back in. If i could just say alex wanted me to read a story and i will paraphrase it without using the name. That is a person who basically runs a business for herself fueled on hate speech and hurting people. A huge supporter of donald trump. Loved the speech. It says it all. But a great leader in the media once mentioned to us, actually, not ever mentioned this persons name because people like that have no place. No place in the main stream conversation. So, hes got they are hurting america. Hes got his hard core 40 supporting him. And people like that. But hes offended. Again, hes offended. Some of the hispanic supporters. The few that stick their neck out for him. And the College Educated voters that have been staying away from him. I mean, that performance last night in phoenix. I mean, you saw a man who was absolutely willing to be captured and fueled by an audience in a hall. Not the country. The audience in a hall. In arizona. Right. Thats all he ever sees. That was a speech to me from august of 2015 not from august 2016. Hes talking and trying to win a republican primary. That was the kind of speech hes giving last year. No growth in one year. He heard your song and got mad because hes that small a person he would actually respond. You mentioned his surrogates have been going out and saying no Deportation Force. Actually what people like Kellyanne Conway was saying he hasnt brought that up since october. They had no idea what he was going to say on wednesday night. He wrote that speech. Those were his words and he delivered it last night. And nobody until the day of had any idea. I dont think he knew what he was going to say when he left mexico. I really think he responded to how he felt at the moment. Which, i guess, he was tweaked into it. Which is a wonderful way to
conduct Foreign Policy. The reporting in the post is that the Jeff Sessions policy adviser who now works for trump had to work on that speech for a while. So, i think people in the campaign knew what he was going to say. A handful of people. Having been a spokesperson what is startling to me, he has made fools of his spokespeople. Kellyanne conway has been saying since two sundays ago there will be a softening in his position. She is viewed as a rational actor inside the Trump Campaign and he has made a fool of her this morning. Shes pretty good at what she does, but he has made a complete fool of her. Still ahead on morning joe the democrats Vice President ial nominee tim kaine joins us for a live interview. That is going to be exciting. Anton