President ial nominee tim kaine in ohio today. Im betty nguyen, alongside louis bergdorf. Morning joe starts right now. How was your weekend . It was wonderful. How are you feeling . Its fall. Its almost fall. Are you feeling okay . Yes, i am. Everybody okay . Nobody going to faint on us here. Its monday, september 12th. Anybody . Woozy . Come on. Come on. Its not like were talking about a death in the family. You all dont have to be so theyre uptight. Im woozy 85 of the time. When you fall back like that, we all know what it has to do with. Dont have to wait for 12 hours from your people. Full transparency on that matter. Every day. Welcome to morning joe. With us on set we have managing editor of Bloomberg Politics and cohost that airs at 6 00 on msnbc, Mark Halperin and John Heilemann. Chair of the department of africanamerican studies at princeton university, author of the book democracy and black and columnist to Time Magazine and in washington, associate editor for the Washington Post. Lets just get right to it. I had a huge democratic supporter call me yesterday afternoon. Its over. Its over. What . Its over. She fainted. Trump is going to be calm down, cowboy. I went back and i looked at it. It doesnt look great. Doesnt look great. Its over . The campaign is over because she fainted. There are a lot of conspiracy
theorists and its going to feed into it. Video doesnt look good. I tell you what, i wake up at 4 00 a. M. Every day. Done it for a decade. There are times when im walking down stairs and, you know, very active guy, i have to stop for a second and grab a handrail. You do that every day. You do what shes been doing every day. Im not arguing her case for her. For people that sit back in their arm chairs all day watching cable news and say how could somebody do that . When you go back and you think about in january what was she doing . She was debating Bernie Sanders every night on cnn. They had those town hall meetings. Okay. One of those a week would kill most people. Shes been doing it nonstop. So to take this and say it proves that shes unfit to be president of the United States. Im sorry. Its stupid. Im sewure there are a lot of m republican bretheran that would agree. She needs to release her medical records. I will tell you, youve seen me. I do prohibition. I am up sweating and everything. Once a show. Ive been up since 4 00. Its 10 00 at night. Im on stage. I got to close my eyes and stop and say lean back on your heels so if you pass out you will fall into the drums. Whats the difference with donald trump . He doesnt do work behind the scenes. I want to see because when i follow all over backwards, i want a rim shot. Just like that. Lets go through what happened. Youre right though. Shes work, work, work. Donald trump sits in his office and makes phone calls. How are we doing . Having a good time. A little different. So lets go through what happened and then we can go around the table here because i do think you bring up a good point. Ive seen that happen. Having said that, we dont know. I think the campaigns reaction has been frustrating. Hillary clinton has canceled a trip that was set for today and tomorrow in california after falling ill during a 9 11 remembrance ceremony yesterday. Last night her campaign revealed she had been diagnosed with pneumonia days earlier but that was only explained after a morning rife with speculation. Clinton joined donald trump during a ceremony in Lower Manhattan on a warm day but after more than an hour there, she left abruptly appearing unsteady. All the while the press was left in the dark with the campaign mum on whether the democratic nominee was going or what happened but video entered her a van with help of the secret Service Showed she was unsteady and clearly require support. She appeared to lean on a post and at one point her legs seemed to buckle. At 11 00 a. M. Her campaign put out a statement saying she felt overheated so she departed to go to her daughters apartment and is feeling much better. The Campaign Says she even played with her grandkids there before appearing in front of the awaiting press posing for a photo with a young girl hopping back in her van. How are you feeling, secretary clinton . Are you feeling better . Yes. Thank you very much. Thanks, everybody. Clinton then headed home but left the press pool in the dust once more. Left the city 90 minutes behind her motorcade and last night her physician revealed in statement secretary clinton has been experiencing a cough related to allergies on friday. During followup evaluation her prolonged cough she was diagnosed with pneumonia. She was put on antibiotics and advised to rest and modify her
schedule. While at this mornings event she became overheated and dehydrated. I have just examined her and shes now rehydrated and recovering nicely. Mark halperin, tell us, whats your take on this . I think there are three buckets we can put this in. You like buckets. These are halperins buckets. Bucket number one. Legitimate concerns. Their health, their age, their lack of transparency. Lack of willingness to have a protected pool with them at one times. One is likely to be president in january. Those are public things we must press them both on. Two is the freak show aspects of this. And degree to which this is being made into the normal carnival and negativity. And then lastly theres the politics of it. I think until we hear how Hillary Clinton handles both the health issue and the buckets of
deplorables and how donald trump handles them, with he dont know where the story will go but theyll define the beginning of this week in a big way. John heilemann . I agree with all of that. Are you going to add a basket . Do you have your own bucket . I just think that it cant be stressed enough theres been a long history of debate and litigation in the small l sense of the word over what the standards of disclosure should be in president ial campaigns and over nominees and takes on greater weight when you talk about nominees who are older. There are no rules on taxes or health this year. There should be rules. There have never been rules. Formal conventions people comply to. As you suggested, both candidates Hillary Clinton has disclosed a little bit more about her health than donald trump has. Both of them by historic
standards have disclosed very little. I think its really the taxes is an issue ive been banging on with trump for months and months. Its now incumbent on both candidates. Donald trump is going dr. Oz this week and talking about his personal health regimen. We need to have credible we need at this point both sides just go completely open. Just show us the records. Show us the records on health care. At this point, i dont mean to veer off course but its relevant. Whats going on between trump and Vladimir Putin . Why does he show up on putins tv network . Why does he continue to shock republican supporters . Is there a Financial Link . Is he loaning him money . Whats the linkage. Its dumb. No idea what hes saying. We dont know that because he wont release his taxes. Do you think to have someone running for president if they have pneumonia have an obligation to disclose it . Absolutely. The issue is how much is the Campaign Going to stumble and lead people down the untrustworthy lane. We need transparency from this candidate. We need press conferences. We need everything to be as transparent as possible given the legacy, the clinton legacy. We have nbc News White House correspondent Kristen Welker who is covering the Clinton Campaign. Why didnt they announce the pneumonia diagnosis on friday . Reporter well, thats the big question. And heres what we know so far. According to senior official talking to you are a own andrea mitchell, there was a sense that secretary clinton felt as if she could power through. She wasnt coughing on saturday so she thought she would just take those antibiotics and
continue with her regular schedule. The campaign obviously realizes that was now a big mistake. So there are a lot of internal discussions going on around that. Also worth noting, there is a sense that the Broader Campaign wasnt made aware of the fact that she had been diagnosed with pneumonia. I can tell you prior to friday i had a number of conversations with a number of officials that batted down any speculation that her cough was anything other than seasonal allergies and there was a real defensive posture about that. I think some democrats are going to try to spin this and say, look, this shows how strong she is. Think about what she did on friday after she was diagnosed. She attended two fundraisers. She convened a twohour meeting with a National Security team. She held a press conference, which i attended. She also gave an interview to a Major Television network. So thats what she did after she was diagnosed but you could say it raises questions about judgment clearly the doctors
saying she needed to scale back her schedule. It will feed into republicans raising questions about her health and put pressure on her to release her full medical record. Worth noting shes released more information than donald trump but right now this is what folks are going to be focused on and want more information about it and could not come at a worst time for this campaign as the polls are getting a lot tighter. Kristen welker, thank you very much. Thank you. Good point of transparency. You were going to say . I want to agree with all of marks buckets. I want to focus on the second one about the spectacle. Part of what concerns me about this is this is the first woman to be a major nominee of a party. The nominee of a party. Theres a sense in which questions around her health play be tied to frailness. Did we get this level of coverage around dick cheneys heart . Here she has pneumonia in this moment. I think transparency and all of the points were making is important but i want us to be very careful the way in which we read hear health and now that reads as a proxy in the way in which we talk about gender. I remember jimmy carter collapsed during a race. We would all look horrific if we collapsed. He was running a 5k. The press put it all over the papers suggesting he wasnt Strong Enough to be president. He was collapsing, et cetera, et cetera. Just as a matter of debate, im for maximum disclosure all the time and in her case because of the trust issues she has, shes always politically in a better place when she discloses more. But there was an interesting debate that broke out about this on twitter among people that
work for barack obama who said, you know, every campaign ive worked on the candidates had pneumonia at some point. Its really common. Treatable with antibiotics. Whats the standard for when we should have our candidates have to disclose illnesses treatable with antibiotics . The case every time all candidate get ill they take antibiotics have to disclose that to the press . I dont know what i think about that. Generally im for more disclosure. In her political situation it makes sense. Its an interesting question. Lets ask the icon school of medicine at mt. Sinai. Based on what youve seen so far, does the prognosis and the diagnosis of walking pneumonia concern you . Its concerning. Shes 68 years old. We know so little about whats wrong with her. We dont know if she had a chest xray. We dont know if there was
troublesome blood work. To make a prognosis based on a dearth of information is almost impossible. On the other hand for someone who is Walking Around and going to these events, i can tell you that 9 11 here in the city is very stressful even if youre not standing down at ground zero. Its a tough day for people who live in new york. So she looks like she tried to power through frankly. But in terms of a prognosis, very difficult to say. Is it a serious diagnosis, walking pneumonia . Well, it can be based on whether or not a person is healthy in an underlying way. Do they have cardiovascular problems . Do they have high Blood Pressure . Are they in general poor health . Those people who have underlying medical conditions, it can be a serious condition. On the other hand, its a kind of a run of mill thing that general practitioners see all
the time. People get over it. They go back to work. No big deal. What about underlying conditions. Shes taking medication. Taking blood thinners. Does what little we know of her health at 68, would that concern you more as a physician . Not those this specifically. Her Blood Pressure was reported to be normal Blood Pressure. That makes me believe she doesnt have any cardiovascular problems or significant cardiovascular problems with her heart. She doesnt have diabetes. Those are the types of things i would be very concerned about. Shes 68 years old. Stuff happens over a lifetime and shes accumulated some dvts, blood clot in her brain, none of that would specifically worry me in terms of the pneumonia. Okay. There emily senay, thank you very much. Im sure you remember that
image of jimmy carter collapsing. Im not talking about the killer rabbit. I think a few weeks later when he was jogging jimmy carter collapsing and a lot of people reading way too much into that. Jimmy carter extraordinarily healthy even today. Add some Historical Perspective to this. Was all of the hyperventilating yesterday from people watching mrs. Clinton hyperventilate overboard . As with famous jimmy carter image youre talking about, the reason it was important is because it came at a time when there already was a discussion about whether jimmy carter was up to it as president and then suddenly had this image where he was an extraordinarily healthy man running a marathon or long race shouldnt have added concern but it did. In this case Hillary Clinton has
had a difficult couple of weeks. I think by anybodys judgment. And two things that i have seen in her since i first began covering her many years ago. First, she always pushes herself to the edge of stamina. When she was secretary of state, she had to go to that next country, that next rally, that next event. Its just part of the way she operates. And second, shes always been extraordinarily reserved about any personal information. They didnt let it out at the white house. They didnt let it out at the state department. Theyre not doing it now. I think that combination of people asking questions about her, pushing herself super hard and not saying much about her personal situation, those came together in this incident. What we can say or what i would say in conclusion is hear hear h health is now a legitimate campaign issue. Yesterday unfortunately one
of the things that this storyly memorials across the nation about september 11 incredibly moving. What are your thoughts . Whats happened with americas Foreign Policy in the intervening 15 years. It was a day of remembrance. I was out on the mall with my family seeing every flag at halfstaff. So many markers. I stand back and i look and i have to say the dream that Osama Bin Laden had 15 years ago of a global jihad has been realized. Thats the most painful thing to say. In so many ways al qaeda has been crushed, bin laden is dead but his idea that he had on the morning of september 11th in many ways has born fruit. Well talk more about that ahead. Still ahead on jmorning joe, well get to Hillary Clintons basket of deplorable statements and Kellyanne Conway is here on set and also congressman mike mccaul and david brooks calls the president ial election a race to the bottom at olympic speed. And as we go to break, as the nation yesterday commemorated the 15th anniversary of 9 11, here is a portion of the song joe wrote for the 10th anniversary of those terror attacks. Reason to believe. What would you guess about a stranger caress that reminds me of what we used to be at the end of the hour when im drained of all power i still find a reason to believe
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