Good morning. It is thursday, september 22nd. Welcome to why tmorning joe. Happy to be here. Columnist and contributor mike barnicle. Nothing . They seem kind of like mechanical. Its like being asleep when big papi is at the plate. Economic analyst Steve Rattner is here. What happened rattner it wasnt that. Epic. All right. In tampa, florida, managing editor of Bloomberg Politics and cohost of with all due respect at 6 00 p. M. On msnbc, mike halperin. And in princeton, new jersey, chair of the department of africanamerican studies and columnist for time magazine,
eddie glaude jr. You didnt have to drive the cab . No. Wasnt it tony robbins that talked about if you want selffulfillment, you have to help other people. We always carry that with us. I think what are you talking about . The kids of the orphanage have done a lot to help people. I think this may be the best. We want to give this to you to give to your father. What . What are you talking about . Is it his birthday . No. Should i . What are you talking about . What are you doing . This was hard. It was very hard. Where did you get that . Make the north pole great again. Thats for your dad. Winters will never be cold again. Where did you get your hands on that . The kids. Give that to your father. Red sox, five up. Another huge win last night. Thank you for the sweater. Nice about the red sox. Now we have to get down to business. Serious news to get to. A second night of violent protests in charlotte, North Carolina. The states governor declared a state of emergency after violent clashes between protesters and Police Following the policeinvolved shooting death of a black man. The announcement was made amid escalating tensions in that city
tweeting he initiated efforts to deploy the National Guard and Highway Patrol to assist local Law Enforcement. One person is on life support in Critical Condition after being shot during the demonstrations last night. Initially the city reported that person had been killed but later clarified the condition. Officials say the shooting did not involve a Police Officer. We will go live to charlotte in just a moment. Donald trump weighed in on the Police Shooting of on unarmed black man in tulsa, oklahoma. The officer in that shooting may have choked in the situation. I must tell you i watched the shooting in particular in tulsa. And that man was hands up. That man went to the car hands up. Put his hand on the car. To me it looked like he did
everything youre supposed to do. And he looked like a really good man. This young officer, i dont know what she was thinking. I dont know what she was thinking, but im very, very troubled by that. The fraternal order of police endorsed trump last week but their executive director scolded trump to be mindful of due process before jumping to conclusions. The shooting obviously in oklahoma, theres just no explanation for it. Its not like ferguson where we have to talk to a lot of different witnesses. Its not even like freddie gray in baltimore. We have eyes in the sky over that and we see exactly whats happening. Right, we do. And, you know, joe, this is such a difficult ritual where we have to witness over and over again, it seems, the senseless death of
someone in the black community. And the fact is that we have the evidence. We have already seen the kind of narrative thats being spun. Police say they found pcp in the car. She said he appeared as if he was on drugs. This was the most shes ever feared in her life. Look at him. I know youve seen this. Hands against his car. Legs spread apart doing absolute walking slowly. I dont know what people shes seen on pcp before. He does not look like a man under the influence of anything. Look at that. And, joe, we can extract a person who planted bombs in chelsea. That person come out alive. Your car can stall on a highway
and youre dead. It makes absolutely no sense. We show from behind walking slowly. Hands in the air do absolutely everything that the police would ask him to do. Hands now up. Youre right. You can find a terrorist, get him out alive, but a guy in an suv arms in the air. It seems to me theres absolutely no way that they can have the areas prosecutor handle this. They have got to have somebody thats independent and outside that region because unless theres more evidence that comes out, i dont know how you dont charge this Police Officer. I completely agree. I completely agree. Look, this is part of we can connect this to charlotte if we want to. This is part of the problem. Theres a sense in which we see this video and then this insistence that
africanamericans across the country and americans generally trust the process but its the process thats called into question in these moments, joe. Let me just say this real quickly. One of the most exhausting things about being black in this country is that we have to convince people, we have to convince White America of what is actually happening in our communities. Here we have a video clearly a video of a man with his hands up seemingly complying in every way, shape, form and fashion like we thought we saw with castil castillo. And eric gardner. What do we get in the end . A dead black man in the street. Weve been going over this a lot. Two things bare minimum have to happen on a state and national level. Number one, body cameras on every cop. We needed to see what was happening on ground level. And if the camera is disabled at
the time of a killing, then the burden of proof is on the cop to explain why his or her body cam was not working and secondly, you have to have independent prosecutors looking at this from outside the districts from where these shootings occur. Those are two basic steps. They would go a long way in stopping these trends. Go ahead, eddie. Lets look at the context of North Carolina. North carolina just passed a law saying that they would not release video footage, body camera footage, to the public. Even if we get it thats a Justice Department question. This is a national this is a national tragedy. It impacts Law Enforcement officers across the nation. The Justice Department should step in and need to take control of this. This is a problem that North Carolina cant say, hey, this is
particular to our state. Its nationwide. I would also just say we talked about finding pcp in the car. Why did that mean he had to be shot . If they found weed in my car or a bag of something in my car or i looked like i was drunk or on something, they wouldnt shoot me. If youre white, if youre from the neighborhoods that we live in and your arms are in the air, you could have pounds of coke in the back and be straight out of miami vice and you wouldnt get treated like that. Exactly, joe. It gets to the other question that you need right now. You need a full forensic breakdown of what happened here. You need why was the car stopped in the middle of the road . A rural road, no other traffic, why such a Massive Police presence . Who shot first . The taser or the lethal shot to
the person . And then youve got to figure out we have to figure out, White America has to figure out the reality, the reality that to be black in america is to view things like this as part of a daily epidemic, as part of a daily danger that arrives when you walk out of your apartment. I actually think when you have Newt Gingrich saying this a couple months back, you even have donald trump yesterday saying they choked, were getting to a point where most of america understands that. It is time for legislators, governors, ags to step up and take the steps of reform. But yesterday you had donald trump clearly a graduate of the Trump University law school calling for stop and frisk. In these two cases, you have two dead black citizens of the United States of america who were already stopped. All right. So the what were going to do is were going to get the latest of the violent protests but other breaking political news this morning to report. Just four days away from the first president ial debate and this morning we have very revealing new nbc wall street journal poll. Among likely voters, the poll Shows Hillary clinton with a sixpoint national lead. Shes at 43 to donald trump at 37 . Gary johnson at 9 . Jill sign at 3 . Her lead is at seven points in a twoway matchup. Looking deeper in the poll, there are clear differences in perception between donald trump and Hillary Clinton. On matters like the economy and terrorism and national security, the two compare favorably but voters prefer clintons approach to immigration by 11 and when asked who would be better to
handle nuclear weapons, clinton leads 26 . On a question of who was honest and trustworthy. Trump has the upper hand. We have to stop right there. Hold the phone. Ive got to believe this is the number that brooklyn stares at. Donald trump, 41 . Ten points. Man who is a human Fact Checking creator. I looked at that poll yesterday and i was quite astonished. Its been that way for about a month now. Its been that way. I was stunned because of what you say because donald trump can run around and backtrack on things that he said about iraq. About the birther. He rewrote history blamingHillary Clinton and the rest of it and this is where it sits. The problem for mrs. Clinton is shes had one problem after another. Most recently of course being the Health Problem and pneumonia and so forth. Its tough. Mark halperin, yesterday we talked to robby mook and asked if they plan to change their approach to the media at all after the pneumonia scare and he said, no, absolutely not. Everything is fine. Were very pleased with how that went. You look at these poll numbers though, despite her problems and despite fear and loathing in the National Press over the past week, donald trump is going to win this, it looks like last couple of days polls have come out that show a sort of back to where we were before hillarys collapse. Yeah. I mean, look, the winner of this election on election day will have traits with the public in those kind of poll numbers you talked about that are not going to look great. Neither of them is going to
revitalize or revolutionize their image between now and election day. The National Polls do know that trump still needs a surge. He needs a National Surge to get more towards the mid 40s in his ballot number than he has right now and hes being held back by despite the fact that people see him as more honest and trustworthy. There are traits includes on handling issues where shes stronger including things like terrorism where trump would very much like to have the upper hand. On friday there was his press conference on the birtherism and the switch and the press was angry because trump played them the way he did. The last couple polls show that issue, him bringing it up, having to admit he was wrong all along, may have depressed his support. Are you getting that sense . You know, im not sure how much real people even paid attention to that back and forth. Ill correct you. You said it was a press conference. As we know, it wasnt. It was a statement. Supposed to be a press conference. And the only reason i bring that up is except for talking to fox news, hes not talked to any other media that i know of about this. I still think hes got more explaining to do because of the sensitivity of this issue, because of the dark blot on his mark for the position he held for so long against the facts. There were three fox polls that came out in key states that showed him with decent sized leads. Well get to that right now. But like i said, i still think he needs either through the debate or some other way he needs a national sushrge or he going to come up short. On having the right temp
temperament, clinton leads 52 to 23 . The next most concerning about trump, his comments about women, immigrants and muslims. One of the things that concerns me most, his love affair with vladimir putin. Only 13 . I think thats the most disturbing for the Foreign Policy implications of that and not knowing what his relationship is with russia and why he wont release his tax returns and why he keeps saying nice things about putin and why he went on putins network, that for me is about as disturbing as the muslim ban. When asked the same question about clinton, 36 cited her judgment on syria, libya and iraq. 29 are most concerned about her use of a private email server for state department work. 50 of Hillary Clinton voters say that that last slide. Im actually glad hold on. Not nevada. The last slide said something about they are more concerned about policy and more concerned about decisions she disagreed with on policy then they are about the server. Her judgment on syria, iraq and libya. 36 . Email server down at 29 . Deplorable next to nothing. Health issues next to nothing. I think thats a very positive sign. Right. 50 of Hillary Clintons voters say their vote is in support of Hillary Clinton more so than it is against donald trump. Look at trump voters. 51 say their vote is against Hillary Clinton opposed to 41 who say its for the republican nominee. Willie, my gosh, i know you hear the same thing that i do. Lifelong republicans will say in one breath, im not going to
vote for donald trump and then youre going to vote for Hillary Clinton . Im going to vote for trump. I hear it over and over again. People who do not want to vote for him but will not under any circumstance for Hillary Clinton. And Hillary Clinton has the same problem. Shes not as bad as trump on that number but 43 of her support her voting against donald trump. Were not seeing a ton of affirmative voting in this election. You have people that find the other person unacceptable. Theyre voting negatively. On the two issues things, Clinton Campaign has been driving temperament as the criticism of donald trump. Hes unfit to be president. It looks like thats registering. Number one complaint people have about trump. The Trump Campaign has been driving for a couple weeks deplorables as argument against Hillary Clinton and that hasnt stuck. Thats down at 9 . Its not sticking. I would say i talked to a lot of republicans believe it or not as well. Some would say damn it ill vote for trump. A fair number say im not voting. Im going write in gary johnson. I hear republicans say ill leave the top line blank and vote republican straight down. These are people that are giving a lot to make sure republicans keep control of the senate and house. People that have been all in their entire life. Some of the most extraordinary examples that weve seen are people who have been very, very active in fundraising with the Republican Party their entire life and their wives and their daughters have said no. Heard that story more than once from even biggest donors from four years ago. Cant do it even if i wanted to do. My wife and my daughter would not talk to me again. Lets look at the state polls. Marquette University Poll shows a close race in wisconsin. Clinton at 41 . Trump at 38. Thats a shocking number right there. Three points. Gary johnson polling at double digits at 11 . Well have to see what happens with gary johnson. Hes hurting Hillary Clinton particularly with Younger Voters who wall street journal nbc poll shows are not as enthused about this election. Gary johnson will not be in the first debate. I think trump has a much better chance to win these battleground states in a state like wisconsin if he doesnt need to get above 45. Are you surprised by wisconsin . Im not. Again, johnson taking up 11 . You think about where that vote would go. I think a lot would go to her. This race nationally and individual states may be won by clinton or trump with 43 , 44 , not getting to a majority. Thats why clinton struggles in
some places to get much above that. That leaves her vulnerable with johnson and stein. I think right now hurting her more than trump as look as they stay high. Im very skeptical johnson is going to get 11 . You get someone going into a voting booth and they see top two names down there and dig down for the other candidates, if you say candidate one, two, three, four. They dont want to admit theyre voting for trump or clinton. I think the whole picture is going to change after the debate on monday. I think it will reset the whole thing. Two other points, Hillary Clinton, part of her bench strength if you want to call it in terms of her potential success in november is going to rely on a vast number of hold your nose voters who are going
to go in very reluctant to vote for her but finally pull the trigger for her in november. The other aspect of it that you get a real undercurrent a very strong feeling. It will be a low turnout. A lot of people will say, you know something i cant do it. To your point, joe, when you look at the polls that are a twoway race rather than a fourway race, hillary picks up a little bit. I really do think its just a gut feeling. I really do think you take those two numbers and its somewhere in the middle. If hillary is up seven points in one and three in the other, its a fivepoint race. If you think about what turnout is going to be in a state like florida where the president ial elections have been close for a while. On one hand i agree. People dont love these two candidates. That means people may stay home. May vote for gary johnson and may