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MSNBCW Morning Joe September 27, 2016 10:00:00

Battleground florida. His running mate mike pence holds a rally in wisconsin. Clintons running mate tim kaine campaigns in orlando. Thats a wrap for us on this tuesday. Im alex witt alongside i know you live in your own reality, but thats not the facts. I think my strongest as set maybe by far is my temperament, my winning temperament, i know how to win. I think donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate. And yes, i did. And you know what else i prepared for . I prepared to be president , and i think thats a good thing. That was the moment right there. Tuesday, september 27th. Welcome to morng joe. High stakes duel on long island. The daily news says faceoff of the nation. I think is one the west coast has been favorable for donald trump. Two debaters on the attack. A lot to talk about today and get through. We have veteran column northwest, mike barnicle, and former Communications Director, nicole wallace, and managing editor of Bloomberg Politics, mark halperin. Good to be you with all. What do you think . If you judge it by marcus, Hillary Clinton won it exactly. And then i am with you, nicole, i thought South Carolina was the worst performance in my life, and he ended up winning it massively going away. Theres no doubt that he repeated himself at the beginning of the debate, and he had a major drop off of energy and rambling and talking about Rosie Odonnel. Definitely for those moments, and i think will say us, and i put that in quotes because its a large group of people, and we all thought Hillary Clinton won, and i could not stop watching until the end because there was something that was telling me he was doing well, and he was not as bad was would expect him to be given the lack of preparation or whatever happened in the past. He was not as bad as he was in a lot of republican debates. I think he said things on what people are feeling on a number of levels and i wouldnt be Surprise Fire Department he came out doing better in the polls after this, and she was not as great as she could have been. Thats really what i was saying. Judged by the old rules, and you would say Hillary Clinton won this hands down. But there were flurries he had, almost like a boxing match, where he jabbed her and kept jabbing her. So much he threw against the wall but she didnt know where to go. He was the political outsider and it was a rigged system and for people just walking through the living room and not sitting there for 90 minutes, or more importantly seeing the clips today, they may think trump won the debate. We learned a long time ago to stop judging trump as as far traditiditio traditionally, and if you look who looked like they should be president , it was not close, it was Hillary Clinton. Its about an emotional connection its the male and female interview, and the male goes in and blusters and doesnt tell the truth all the time and chances are he will get the job and the woman goes in completely prepared and makes a lot of sense and has a perfect interview. What we watched and heard last night we live in a bubble. Lets face it. We live in a bubble as well in terms of observations. By the way i am serious, the bubble expanded out to Republican College educated voted as well, and the bubble used to be the manhattan bubble, and even the republican voter that looks at this and says, thats very easy, and the person that spoke in complete sentences seemed coherent and actually used language the way we want our children to use language, probably won the debate. Thats why my sense, one of the key moments was she prepared for the debate and also prepared to be president , and the poll numbers are not going to move right away but they are going to move. I was struck i watched it, and we held her to unrealistically exceedingly high standards and she exceeded them. I thought she did everything she should have done. More than everything she should have done. I thought it was a performance if you work in politics you have to stand back and admire. Right. It was more than preparation, and i thought she was quick on her feet and charming and funny. But this is a parallel universe where he also came out still breathing and with donald trump is concerned i was screaming, and thank god you can text on the jetblue fight, and i said Donald Trumps campaign is over and not only did he win the state running away and he was thought of the next morning he was winning the debate, and she was sharing with his advisers he thought he won the debate. Anybody that knows donald trump knows that donald trump knows he won the debate and will be quoting drudge and every other online poll that you can judge. There were a couple other snap polls. Cnn found Scientific Study found that Hillary Clinton ran away with the debate, 62 to 27 , and donald trump will not be sharing that poll, he will share the drudge report which 80 said he won the debate, but jaymee weinstein tweeted, drudge poll on the debate looks more like iraq. I dont know if i would say that. And you have 80 of the people revved up enough to go to those polls suggests something about the intensity. Throughout the primaries, time would have one of the online polls as well. And there is not anything donald trump did last night that would cause his supporters to say he won the debate. There are two more debates and if he is smart he will prepare more than he did. Hes not going to do that, mark. Do you think. Answer the question we have been knocking around the table, do you think he will suffer in the polls . I dont think most of us around this table think he will . I think its as you suggested, its foolish to say there will be some kind of leaner election. I think he will get a couple days of News Coverage and he has to decide if he wants to go around and say i won the debate. Can i challenge you a little bit . I wa its College Educated Republican Voters, and many of them support donald trump, but i know a lot of them who do not and they watch performances like last night and want them to shield their childrens eyes, and maybe them think you need to work harder and articulate better and hold yourself to a higher standard than that, and this is not an elite group that said Hillary Clinton won the debate last night. On the other hand, we will see if theres a linear connection between what happened last night in the polls. Its not formal debate rules that an educated person might judge a debate, and there will be issues on where a more experienced debater would be the better debater on points, and had executed more. Early on, mark, he was hammering her pretty hard and hammering her there were a couple lines you were telling me about that we were talking about this morning that he hammered her again on being an insider, and it was very, very effective. If thats the clip that low information voters see today, they are going to say thats my guy. When he came in the spin room afterwards, which is unprecedented, thats the theme he wanted to reemphasize, she had been in washington but there were too many long stretches of evening where he was not talking about that theme, particularly after the first 20 minutes. I dont know if he helped himself get new voters but i think he did help do damage. I dont know. He was pretty terrible. He was really bad. Im sorry. I am really tired. Its not a perfect world. Let me just say you know what you sound like . You sound like your College Roommate really likes a guy and he has come in and slept with every other girl in the sorority. Yeah, and he says, isnt he wonderful . And you are like, i cant say he is wonderful anymore. He just vomits on your shoes he got in a couple good lines, like saying he was for trade a long time and reinforced the other good line, and one was yes, you have been there 30 years and one was her record on trade and if you have this economic angst, and i expect his base to stay with him today. I dont think he just spoke to the base. I dont think his poll numbers will go up because he was so bad that nobody new will like him. Theres a whole new world that has been very, very wary for the past 30 years, and i think he spoke to them in more of the policy driven exchanges. He invoked the north American Free trade agreement pastoring bill Clintons Administration and seemed to put clinton on the defense over president obamas landmark trade deal. Now you want to approve trance pacific partnership, and you were totally in favor of it and learned then how bad i said it was and then you said you could not support nothing will top nafta. That is just not accurate. I was against it once it was finally negotiated and the terms were laid out. I wrote about that you called it the Gold Standard. You called it the Gold Standard of trade deals and you said it was the finest deal you have ever seen and you heard what i said about it, and then all of a sudden you were against it. Donald, i know you live in your own reality, and that is not the fact. I did say i hoped it would be a good deal, and i wrote so is it president obamas fault . Is it president obamas fault . Secretary, is it president obamas fault, because hes for it. There Hillary Clinton was trying to complete a sentence, and he got shouted down four times. I wonder if that hurt donald trump, interrupting a woman four times . I dont know where i am getting this, and my overall gut feeling from watching the entire debate, she was amazing and really good. I just think that he is going to do quite well out of this. You dont know where you get it from, you get it from the republican debate. I know what is appealing about him to the American People that follow him, not just his movement, but others who are perhaps sick of what happened over the past few decades. He got him things that go, yeah, exactly. And then a lot of people noticed the debate when it got into the subject of taxes. You have to ask yourself, why wont he release his tax returns. I think there may be a couple reasons. First, maybe hes not as rich as he thinks he is, and second maybe he is not as charitable he is. He owes 650 million to wall street or foreign banks, or maybe he doesnt want you to know he paid nothing in federal taxes and what we have seen is when he had to turn them over to get a casino licenses that makes me smart. Theres something hes hiding. We will keep guessing at what he might be hiding, and the question is if he were to get near the white house, who does he omeny to . You dont learn that much from tax returns, that i can tell you. You should go down and take a look at that. The other thing, i am extremely under leveraged. The report that said 650, and boy, thats not a lot of money relative to what i had. The buildings in question, they said in the same report, actually it was not a bad story to be honest with you. We are a debtor nation, a serious debtor nation, and we have a country that needs new roads and tunnels and bridges and new schools and hospitals, and we dont have the money because its been squandered on so many of your ideas. And maybe its because you have not paid a lot of federal income tax for a lot of years. And it would be squandered, too, believe me. Actually that was a strong donald trump point where he talks about, why arent we spending money to infrastructure, and its simplistic. You would have wasted my money, too, which is how a lot of americans feel. They are not going anywhere. Right now he is tied in colorado, and he is tied in a lot of other states. Yes, he is. If he doesnt lose the core and this race stays where it is right now what is that core . People that go to work. If anybody is out there, thinking that i dont like either candidate, i will cast a vote for the libertarian or green party, you now know that only one of those two people last night on tv is going to be president of the United States, so you are going to think about maybe i should not throw my vote away. Thats going to happen as well and thats going to happen to her benefit. There were several moments at that debate, and if it was anybody else, these would be infamous moments where he said yeah, i dont pay federal tax and that makes me smarter, and when he said he was rooting for the housing market, he said that is called business, and he said, theres a lot of people in that lawsuit and i settled with no fault and no guilt there. He talked about not discriminating, i did not discriminate against anybody, and those are moments had it been anybody else it would have been a huge gaffe. Or not paying people in full peufplt yeah, maybe they didnt do a good job. When they got to Foreign Policy, your point is on steroids. When they got to Foreign Policy, that was sort of where he was losing energy, for a guy that crushed his position by calling them low energy. I have never seen a more low energy talking about Rosie Odonnel. Yeah, lets take a quick listen. Lets show it. Go ahead. The final question hillary is hitting me with tremendous commercials and some is in entertainment and i said tough things to Rosie Odonnel and people would agree she deserves it and nobody feels sorry for her, and if you want to know the truth, i was going to Say Something extremely rough to hillary and her family and i said to myself, i cant do it. I just cant do it. Its inappropriate and its not nice, but she spent hundreds of millions of dollars on negative ads on me, and many of which are absolutely untrue, and they are untrue and misrepresentations and i will tell you this, lester,ts not nice and i dont i dont deserve that, but it is certainly not a nice thing that she has done. Its hundreds of millions of ads and the only gratifying thing, i saw the polls come in today we have to move on to the final question. And i am either winning or tied, and i have spent practically nothing. Mark halperin, heres my take, actually this debate is not going to change a whole lot. Did donald trump under perform based on marcus queenbury rules, perhaps he did. I just dont know people going to work this morning who want change are going to say, okay, i will go for the person that, you know, ticked off the policy prescriptions better than the other when donald trump undercuts all of that by saying you have been there for 35 years, and if you had all of these great ideas why didnt you implement them over 35 years . Thats just a really strong powerful argument. I dont know this debate does anything to change any dynamidy. The next debate he will talk about that more often and talk less about his business dealings and et cetera. A lot of debates, its the News Coverage that had discussions like this on the local news and if the ratings are what they suspect, and it would be what most of the people saw over 90 minutes, and the fundamental question, going back to what mike said, is she qualified and does he clear the bar to be commanderinchief, and i just think you you too many moments last night that will raise questions, and i dont think the polls will change, i agree with that. He is not disciplined enough to do what you think he might do, to hone in his arguments, trade, 35 years in office and nothin has gotten done and the per in this thing, willie mentioned it, his housing comment, thats part of the core of his support, people that watch their homes in this country. I would not underestimate him. Thats a mistake that has been made all along peufplt still ahead, the Clinton Campaign joins us, and chuck todd, and correspondent, halle jack outside the debate. You are watching morning joe. Well be right back. Ure not a u dont cook. Youre not a firefighter, if you dont fight fires. Or a coach, if you dont coach. And you cant be our leader, if you dont lead. Our next president needs to take action on Social Security, or future generations could lose up to 10,000 a year. Were working hard, what about you . Hey candidates, do your jobs. Keep Social Security strong. Iand i could tell that when shen i waslooked at me she didnt see disability. She saw someone strong and capable like i see myself. Donald trump doesnt see people like me. He just sees disability. I honestly feel bad for someone with so much hate in his heart. We need a president who sees the best in all of us. Im Hillary Clinton and i approve this message. I dont think anybody knows it was russia that broke into the dnc, and maybe it was but it could be china and other people and it could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay . You dont know who broke in to dcn . But what did we learn . We learned Bernie Sanders was taken advantage of by your people, by Debbie Wasserman shultz, and look what happened to her. Bernie sanders was taken advantage of. Now, whether that was russia, and whether that was china, and whether it was another country, we dont know because the truth is under president obama we have lost control of things that we used to have control over. That is donald trump last night talking about cyber crime. Willie, i feel like that 400pound comment was practiced straight at me. I feel like he practiced that with his team. Joining us now, Trumps Campaignmanager. I cant take credit for that. What am i missing here . Dont look at me. Look at her. I am asking you guys, and then you can ask kelly ann. I dont think he resonated well. Everybody is talking about, as we said before, you judged this by all past debate standards, Hillary Clinton won, and most of us around the table believe that but you dont judge donald trump by those standards. Do you think he connected with the base or found new voters . He connected with places we are hearing from like ohio, and pennsylvania, and those that feel things have gone abroad. I thought he was not debating for america, that he was actually he

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