Wants to bring up the idea of raising the age to buy an ar15 as the president now proposes. Lets look at the front pages of the papers weve been looking at the past couple of days. The New York Post, guns half cocked idea, pay to arm teachers and the great headline, smith and wes son. Again, this has been a very conservative tabloid that has been supportive of did but this is a memo from Rupert Murdock knowing its the first paper he reads in the morning. It is a stupid idea. Its an idea that nra likes because of course you actually get more than 300 million guns on the streets. You actually get even more guns than more gun shootouts and the need for more guns. I thought the ralph peters now shrinking himself, ralph is a tough guy. And he writes a tough column today. And he talks about ban these weapons of murder and again, another tough guy, tough conservative, former military man, gun owner, fired his first gun when he was 7 years old and because he was such a delicate flower at 7 it was a sawed off shotgun. There you go. He spent his time in the military firing weapon after weapon, automatic weapon after automatic weapon and heres the line. Said these are military weapons. Their purpose is to kill human beings. They are not used for hunting unless you want to destroy the animals meat. Theyre lousy for target shooting, but they are excellent tools for mass murder. Now, anybody that suggests that you need these for hunting deer, hunting animals, the graphic description we saw yesterday of what these bullets did what this gun did to these childrens bodies and to their organs, that they smashed them like a sledge hammer, thats what these military weapons do and we can have the debate about whether americans need those military weapons to protect against a tyrannical government, we also should have a really honest conversation this morning about will it make a difference . I dont know if it will or not. Stopping the sale of these weapons. I think we have to give it a try. Just after 9 11 people saying we could have other terrorist attacks. And finally, were going to have to turn a really hard look at Law Enforcement. Yes, were all talking guns. Everybodys talking guns, but the fbi missed the warning, which now now seems minor compared to Everything Else that has happened where you have local Law Enforcement officers missing 35, 39 warnings about this this shooter, and then of course the horrifying information that came out last night, there actually was a good guy with a gun at as the president and every nra person will say. There was a Law Enforcement officer at the school and he didnt go in. In part, i am sure because he was overmatched. Now, thats no justification. At 9 11, you were working 9 11, you saw the firemen going in, they knew that they probably wouldnt be coming down that tower. It was their job and they did it. So there are no excuses. I do think i saw david saying this morning on twitter or last night on twitter, we never know how were going to react when we put ourselves in that position. And so we should look at these things humbly. I will say just like the firefighters jobs on 9 11, it was his job to go in and do his job and if he couldnt do his job then he should have he should have never become a deputy and he should have given that job to somebody else. Okay. A wide range of topics to discuss this morning. With us on set we have New York Times reporter jeremy peters. Chief National Correspondent from new york magazine. White house correspondent and former Justice DepartmentSpokes Person, Matthew Miller and nbc news capitol hill correspondent. Okay. Wheres the lightning . What are you hearing . On . Well, just from members of congress, from the Political Consultants you talk to, wheres this gun debate moving . I mean, i think everybodys pretty i mean, youll be surprised to learn confused about exactly where the president stands on all of this. He has suggested a number of policy changes. Not least of which is the age limit for rifles, but its clear from what we heard from yesterday, the whole day yesterday at cpac cl was a much Different Event from years past but they sent the message, we are going to take all of this to the mat. In some ways, you know, the traditional face of whos a veteran of many of these fights in washington over gun rights, he was preceded by day that lash who is the new nratv spokeswoman and says all of you in the media love Mass Shootings and that was kind of the you know, the rhetoric was turned up in a way that is pretty remarkable. There was a lot of attention on cpac yesterday, this years annual conservative Political Action conference and it comes a week after the Parkland School shooting massacre and yesterday leaders for the nra took to the stage. The nra is under intense criticism in the wake of yet another School Shooting, but chief executive and Spokes Person dana lash says a lot of other people are to blame. Legacy media. The people and the salon and media matters. Diane fienstein. Nancy pelosi, bernie sanders. Elizabeth warren. Bill de blasio. The Internal Revenue service. Black lives matter. Christopher murphy and keith ellison. Michael bloomberg. European style socialists, Young Democratic social college campuses. Carliemar the New York Times, the Washington Post. Wow. He said the nra supports Law Enforcement, but spoke darkly about no, they dont support Law Enforcement. Just watch this because remember this is the same man and this is the same organization who called our Law Enforcement officers called men and women in our federal agencies that tried to protect you from terrorism, that try to attack to protect you from those who attack radical islamic terrorists, whether theyre bomb strikes in boston or whether its trying to stop the next 9 11 or whether the fbi is trying to stop from, lets say your local mall being blown up or you being blown up in a church. Thats what the fbi is doing around the clock. Theyre working to keep you and your family safe. But wayne la pierre and the nra, theyve now spent the past 30 years i guess, 40 years slandering the men and women who were actually fighting every day and on the front lines in our fight against radical islamic terror. This is what he thinks of those people who. Reporter trying to protect you and your family. As weve learned in recent months, even the fbi is not free of its own corruption. I can understand a few bad apples in the organization as large as the fbi. But whats hard to understand is why no one at the fbi stood up and called bs on its rogue leadership. Our Intelligence Community shrouds everything in secrecy, driving everything into darkness every dirty memo and every dirty institutional secret and memory in the name of National Security. But when the leaks come, it reveals nothing about the security of our country and it reveals everything about the corruption of those in power. A tidal wave of new european style socialists seize control of the democratic party. They split size the department of justice. They weaponize the epa, perhaps cripple the fbi and sees an embedded leadership in all of them to advance their agenda. Absolute control in every corner of our government is their ultimate dream. History proves it. Every time in every nation in which this political disease rises to power, its citizens are repressed, their freedoms are destroyed and their fire arms are banned and confiscated. I am amazed. So it is remarkable. That is again, thats really along the lines of his jack booted thug comment claiming that the men and women who go out every morning and risk their lives and know that they may not see their children when they come home at night because theyre trying to keep america safe. Americas Law Enforcement officers, hes once again suggesting theyre thugs who want to take away the right to religion, the right to keep and bear arms. Were in such a bizarre place. It was Ronald Reagan who really made feedback what feedback is and what did young people like me love about Ronald Reagan and watch when he was speaking at cpac, he was anti communist. He pushed back against the liberals in congress who were constantly undercutting the cia and were constantly undercutting the fbi and constantly undercutting Law Enforcement officers. They were the radicals undermining everything good that america was trying to do. It is now wayne la pierre and those that invite people from the nationalist front who are now denigrating our Law Enforcement officers who say the cia is coming to get you, hes saying the fbi is coming to get you. Hes saying the Intelligence Committee is coming to get you. It is a bizarre and it is unamerican. It is bizarre and i think the timing is pretty striking when you sort of see the events of last week. I mean, its one drum beat after another. Last week in particular with the School Shooting happening and then, you know, the timing of this is a little bit askew than were accustomed. I mean, this thing has gone on obviously a lot of young people are energized by this and you see what the sort of millennial voters, i mean, you just dont sense a lot of millennial voters, people watching thinking this is what i want to be. This is where my generation is. This is the Republican Party that im willing to join. I want to declare war on Law Enforcement. I want to hate the fbi. Is that does he really think thats what people want . I think what you have to recognize is the power of the echo chamber. Cpac is an echo chamber. So much of conservative media, frankly a lot of liberal media is an echo chamber. And im sure donald trump will have a version of this when he speaks at cpac. You feel good all of a sudden and you feel a sense that you talk in the world just sort of comforted and thats what is scary about these things because no one really has a broader conversation and cpac has just gotten narrower and narrower over the years and thats the reality. And youre looking at nratv and how its becoming a propaganda tool for things beyond guns and social issues and whats the angle on that . How are they targeting a certain part of society . N theyre targeting people with the fear that their guns will be taking away and thats what you heard yesterday. He was stoking these fears not just of 2nd amendment infringements, but of trampling and confiscation of individual liberties across the board. Thats what he said and its an interesting shift in strategy for a group like the nra which no longer has a president in the white house to demean and to demonize and to make an enemy of. So what theyve done is theyve said okay, theres a much broader conspiracy. Its no longer coming just from the democrats. Its coming from the media. Its coming from the Intel Community. Its coming from the government and they are going to get you and the ultimate goal is to take your guns. They talked about mass gun confiscation, but going back to joes point about young people, the room this is a room full of young conservative activists. The room was not with wayne la pierre yesterday. At one point he said i sense its a little quiet out there. But it was quiet, he said, they must be scared and all gun owners should be. The reason they were quiet is because they werent buying what he was selling. I heard that a couple of other times. Ive heard that it was there was a disconnect between what he was saying and and also there was a disconnect for a lot of people who were attending who went to it a couple of years back when donald trump was, you know, going to be the primary and people were even wondering whether he would be booed when he got there. This is not Donald Trumps crowd but theyve sort of theyve adopted this nationalism position, this inviting the racist leaders from europe who are actually, you know, actually on economic issues, a socialist. There is nothing conservative about this and i whats amazing is though that even though theyre appointing these bringing over these National Lists sort of socialist leaders who who want universal health care and want to reduce work weeks to, you know, 30 hours a week, want to do things that are not all very french and socialist to me, those are the new stars of cpac and there was this sense of speech and heres whats so by cza bizarre. How do you whip up an Intel Community out of control when donald trump appointed the director of the fbi, the director of the cia, the director of national intelligence, republicans run the house of representatives that wayne la pierre owns, the leadership, he owns paul ryan. He owns the Senate Majority leader mitch mcconnell. I mean, republicans and donald trump own washington, d. C. Theyre talking about a government out of control. Its their government, matt. So first of all, how bizarre is that and secondly, what does the Intel Community think when conservatives socalled conservatives spend their days trashing the men and women who are protecting the rest of us . I guess if youre playing conspiracy bingo as wayne was, the square on that card is the deep safe. Its this ball that they talk about embedded inside the Intelligence Community t. Supposedly embedded inside the fbi. I think jeremy made the really correct point. There hasnt been a serious push for gun control in this country really in almost 25 years. Even after newtown it was really just about increased background checks and so without a real opponent thats trying to, you know, take their guns as they often claim, theyve had to whip up opposition in other ways. Theyve had to find enemies and create boogiemen and without democratic lawmakers to go after, they have to, you know, attack the fbi, they have to attack the Intelligence Community and i will tell you having worked inside the Justice Department, the nra has never been a friend of Law Enforcement despite all their claims. In 2010 when there was a dramatic increase in officer shootings around the country, we convened kind of committee, a task force to come up with new proposals to stop officer deaths. The nra wouldnt meet with us. They wouldnt take a meeting to talk about what we ought to do to try to save officers from dying on the street. This has been their position for a long time. They want to put more money in the pockets of gun manufacturers and they dont care about the safety of kids in schools. They care about one thing and thats selling more guns. And joe talked at the beginning of the show as well about what do people possibly need these rifles for. The ar15 rifles that weve been talking about. Theyre not necessarily that youre hunting a deer, that theyre going to present, these guns do so much damage and i was wondering how it seems to me that he was suggesting that there was a connection between, you know, all of these federal Government Agencies potentially coming to get you and your right to own these guns. I mean, he never comes out and says it directly but that seems to be whats underlying this. Well, to me what i heard in his speech was really someone who was trying to acquiesce with the party of trump. It was all about Conspiracy Theory that somehow you cannot trust the federal government. Steve bannon was not at cpac this year. Wayne is hinting at only the only person who had been attacking the fbi before it became something that was okay to do was President Trump, and now that everyone thinks that thats kind of the way to get on trumps train, you hear someone like wayne talking about the fbi when that really has nothing to do with what his core message usually is, which is guns. I think so i think theres that going on. And to me its fascinating to see someone like the nratv Spokes Person say that the media loves Mass Shootings because again that sounds to me like donald trump, who would be talking about ratings and tv while also trying to talk about guns other than someone like donald trump. So i think what were seeing is people repeating him. And jeremy, we talked yesterday about some of the inflammatory messages that were being sent out by wayne la pierre and the members of the board, the people that fund wayne la pierre and the corporations and the banks that fund him and they will all be held liable for this incitement of violence. Which people i cant tell how many calls we got yesterday, people horrified that the nra would open themselves up, like lawyers calling me going oh, my god, do they not have lawyers over there . Do they not understand how theyre exposing themselves to liebltd . B liability . But apparently some corporations were listening yesterday because you had several that said were going to dissociate ourselves from the nra. And thats where it hurts. There are two kind of changes that need to happen here in order for there to be any real movement. One of them is a cultural change and thats what youre seeing with the children and this notion that guns are no longer part of their lives. Theyre no longer its no longer seen as cool to have a gun and thats why the nra is worried because the gun sales have been in