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MSNBCW Morning Joe December 12, 2018

You keep talking about it. No, the last time you shut it down. No, no, no, 20 times i wonder if i sit real still if they will even notice im here. Im a manila envelope taped to a beige wall. No one can see me. None of us have said you want to know something . You want to put this on my you said it. You said it. President pence. The pence administration. The michael pence president ial library and casino. That was quite a scene yesterday. Wow. Yeah. At his worst, donald trump has been a bully and a clown his entire life, but yesterday it was his worst with traits on display for all the world to see live from the oval office. The president was embarrassing and undignified in his fight with nancy pelosi and Chuck Schumer. Some of his fans may have liked it, but most americans do not. This is the type of wretched behavior that led to the democratic landslide next month. There is no upside for trump or his minions after that. Instead, mr. Trump embarrassed himself. He weakened republicans hand in the budget talks and drove a wedge between himself and the Senate Republicans whose support he will need if he is impeached by the house. Contrast the buffoon we saw yesterday with the quiet professionalism and heroism of Robert Mueller whose veiler as a marine has been the basis for his career. As garrett graph with wired reminds us, marine Second Lieutenant Robert Mueller would receive the bronze star with valor for his actions in combat. Robert mueller volunteered for the marines after princeton. But get this. He was at first ruled medically unfit. This was in the middle of an unpopular war. Instead of saying that he had bad feet, bad knees bone spurs. Bone spurs. He spent the next year rehabbing his injured knees. He spent a year to rehab his knees so he could go to vietnam. Then he went to Army Ranger School, which is a rare honor for a marine. Mutters ridge 50 years ago yesterday, Robert Muellers platoon took casualties and were trapped by 200 north vietnamese. One marine remembers hearing from the ridge, who is down there . Are you dead . It was lieutenant mueller. Hold on, mueller shouted. Were coming down to get you. That day was the second heaviest fire i ever received in vietnam, marine david harris said. But lieutenant mueller was there, directing traffic, positioning people and calling in air strikes. He was standing upright, moving, and he saved their lives. His bronze star commendation read this, Second Lieutenant mules courage, aggressive initiative and unwavering devotion to duty at great personal risk to himself were instrumental in the defeat of the enemy, keeping with the highest traditions of the United States marine corps. We have said it before. Trump has never faced an adversary like mueller. And tuesday showed why this president and his advisers should be so very worried about the looming showdown between these two extremely different men. Good morning, everyone. Its wednesday, december 12th. Along with joe, willie and me, we have mike barnacle, john heilman, higheidi prisbella and eugene scott. Welcome to you all. Willie, yesterday was incredible. Chuck and nancy, im always a fan of nancy, but it was a good day for chuck and nancy. Quite a show. And more than just lurid entertainment, it was a situationing that actual situation that actually unfolded for republicans in the house and the senate. And you could tell that by the way they reacted to what they saw as the president said i will own this shutdown. If you want to call it the trump shutdown, it will be the trump shutdown if we have it. You had nancy pelosi coming out and saying to the president of the United States, you dont know what youre talking about. President trump invited news cameras into a meeting with Democratic Leaders nancy pelosi and Chuck Schumer yesterday escalating a negotiation overboarder security and wall funding. Schumer openly mocked the president. If i needed the votes for the wall in the house, i would have them in one session, we would be done. Do it. It doesnt help because we need ten democrats in the senate. Dont put it on the senate. Put it on the negotiation. It doesnt help for me to take a vote in the house where i will win easily with the republicans you will not win. Let me just say one thing. The fact is, you do not have the votes in the house. Nancy, we do and we need Border Security. Find out. Its very important. This has spiraled downward. When we have came at a place to say how do we meet the needs of the American People who have needs. The economy has people are losing their jobs, the market is in a mood. Our members are already well, we have the lowest unemployment that weve had in 50 years. People of the Republican Party have lost are losing their offices now because of the transition. People are not and gained in the senate. Nancy, weve gained in the senate. Excuse me, did we win the senate . We won the senate. When the president brags that he won north dakota and indiana, hes in real trouble. 20 times you were called for, i will shut down the government if i dont get my wall. Ill take it. You know what ill say . Yes, if we dont get what we want, one way or the other, whether its through you, through military, through anything you want to call, i will shut down the government, absolutely. Fair enough. We disagree. And i am proud to shut down the government for Border Security, chuck, because the people of this country dont want criminals and people that have lots of problems and drugs pouring into our country. So i will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. Im not going to blame you for it. Joe, theres no turning back from that one, is there . He dug in pretty deep and Chuck Schumer nodding and getting what he wanted. He was fantastic. The expression taking candy from a baby comes to mind. It was really it was all too easy, wasnt it . Donald trump even walked into schumers line where the president was bragging about winning north dakota and bragging about winning indiana. This is terrible for the president for many reasons. This is the first time in Donald Trumps life that hes had people talking back to him that people had had political skills and knew how to trap him. You can go back to the debates and he would run over people like marco rubio, he would run over rand paul, the other 16 people who were completely hapless in responding to this. These two people know donald trump. You know why . Because he contributed to all of their campaigns in the Democratic National committee and theyve known each other as democrats a lot longer than theyve known each other as donald trump being a republican. But, willie, on capitol hill, you could almost hear the screams from the republican cloak room as donald trump basically gave everything away, gave the high ground away to the democrats. Where do they go now . I think the president probably thought im going to display once again how serious i am to getting that border wall. I know it was a campaign promise. Im so serious about this that i am willing to take the shutdown on. Maybe he pleased that segment of his supporters. But in doing so, obviously he has taken complete othwnership any shutdown. It was right there for everyone to see. Two key elements. One is he thinks hes a great negotiator and he thinks he can beat anyone on television. So he basically surprises them and says, hey, were going to have this negotiation in public on camera where schumer and pelosi, if you listen to them, they keep trying to shut it down and say, lets go have this in private. But trump is a horrible negotiator and hes not as good on television as he thinks. So he gets beaten in his own game. Early in the discussion, you hear pelosi drop the trump shutdown into the discussion. By the end of the discussion, he has not only accepted the trump shutdown, but has embraced it with victm and vigor. It reminded me of a few good men. Baiting colonel jesup on the stand to where trump is basically saying youre right i ordered the can code red. Yeah, i want the shutdown, ill take the shutdown, it will be my shutdown and all of a sudden its like bring in the marshals and lead him out in handcuffs. Theres so much contained in that 17 minutes of tape that hopefully everyone in america saw including Vice President pence in the corner. But for once, for the first time, i think, do all the republicans and democrats who have gone in front of cameras to speak about donald trump, nancy pelosi oneonone takes him down, facetoface, nose to nose, takes him down. The other aspect thats interesting about the president s personality and his views, his automatic fall back position on nearly everything when hes in trouble, when he thinks the crowd is not paying attention or the crowd is lifeless, where does he go . He goes to the border wall. He goes to rapists, he goes to diseases, he goes to fear. Thats his only fall back position. And, you know, eugene scott, as you look at what was happening in that room and you heard what happened afterwards, Chuck Schumer and nancy pelosi couldnt have been happier. Pelosi goes on to say the border wall is about the president s manhood. Absolutely. The democrats went into that meig with a mandate. They won the house and they won the house because they told voters they would push back on the most problematic ideas coming out of the trump administrati administration. They fact checked donald trump in realtime in his face in a way that he hasnt experienced from people within his own tribe. A big challenge for the president is that he doesnt seem to realize that he doesnt have the popularity, even with his base in december 2018 that he did before the Midterm Elections. Many of the people who voted for trump, who were supportive of trump, should i say, before the midterms still are not. So hes trying to let them know that he still has their back, hes still going to build this wall that he promised them on the campaign. Thats when we saw schumer and pelosi completely remind him that the facts on which he made this promise isnt true. I know its common knowledge, heidi, but donald trump is living in an alternate reality, an alternate political universe. You could go back to right after donald trump got elected president of the United States and only one in three americans supported building the the wall. Probably less than one in three americans support building the wall mow that we have another 1 trillion in debt piled high on us. You look at the drubbing donald trump and republicans took this past election because of this sort of rhetoric, this sort of behavior. Speaking of a few good men, im sure republicans are calling for a code red right now, whatever that means, on capitol hill because they have to know. The ones with half a brain have to know that this is leading straight to a cliff that about 30 or 40 of their fellow republicans were pushed over politically just a month ago. Theyve really jammed it or hes really jammed the republicans, joe, because the sources i talked to last night said that we are closer than ever to a shutdown that could actually last into the new congress. Hes really not left them any negotiating options here. Theyre so far apart. But i think what we saw yesterday is that, like you said, hes been living in this alternative reality. Guess what . Theres a new reality show in town and hes no longer the producer director who is playing to the cameras. Theres a whole new cast of characters, including a woman in the room who is going to wield her power a little differently. Last night as they all played out, mansy pelosi comes back to the hill, equates trumps manhood to the wall and yet within moments, he was calling her and she said that the negotiation was, quote unquote constructive. So this is a whole different cast of characters here who are going to go into the oval office and theyre not going to allow him to be in that alternate reality. Theyre going to fact check him when he says, for instance, he has built the wall. Thats not true and theyre going to call him out on it. John heilman, i dont want to beat a dead horse, but its there and its been there for two years. Lets talk about it ben. Ive repeated on this show sdpi time and again that donald trump speaks to 33 of americans, a hard core 33 of americans. Yes, sir. Yesterday in that mueller cnn poll we see that 33 is down to 29 agree with what he and rudy have been doing, attacking a war hero like Robert Mueller. And i hate to keep asking this question over and over again, but when are republicans, not only on capitol hill, but in state capitals across america going to finally understand that donald trump being a 40 president or a 33 president was always going to lead to them getting destroyed in the off year elections which we said and is only going to lead to them being destroyed in 2020 . The party is being dismantled bit by bit. Can you name a republican in america with any authority that understands that . Its hard to say, joe. Id say, amazingly, weve seen of the course of the last couple of days in the context of the mueller probe, in the context of the Southern District where we talk about theres been a reality tornado thats come through the white house and people finally recognize how much trouble trump might be in, you still see people like orrin hatch, the leaders of the Republican Party saying, well, maybe hes been implicated in a crime in the southern sdriktz, maybe hes complicit in a felony, maybe hes an unindicted coconspirators, but Campaign Finance laws arent really a big deal. Theres still a state of denial on capitol hill about the depth of the problem, about the political reality, about how receive the loss was this november, about what it portends for two years from now about the mounting trouble he faces. All i can come back to every time when we have this discussion is the Republican Party was bankrupt enough intellectually that donald trump was able to take it over in 2016. That was the condition of the party. If there was not a bankruptcy intellectually and politically on the republican side, there would be no donald trump. So now that donald trump, hes the head of an intellectually bankrupt party and hes behaving as such. Eventually, math will catch up to hill. At some point, even those bankrupt will look up and say, hey, this is too horrible for us and were going to eventually lose and were going to have to abandon him. But i dont know when that day comes. I think it will come, but i dont know when. It has to be now. You wonder when, willie, because they had the worst loss since watergate, they lost seats, governorships across america. I mean, it just things went so badly and, you know, john brings up a great point. We described Robert Muellers history as a marine. We dont have to describe his history as a Law Enforcement officer. Its beyond reproach. He guided us in those terrible days after 9 11 as fbi director with great distinction. You actually have republicans you actually have republicans who spender their days trashing an American Hero like Robert Mueller and defending a guy and Kevin Mccarthys defense is, sure, its a felony, were not going i mean, come on, its just a felony. And for what, exactly . Theyre protecting whom, a guy that is going to help them out some day, a guy who would protect them if they were up against it . Of course not. The only time weve seen republicans step up and cross the president is in the case of Jamal Khashoggi. Weve heard them come out again and again and theyre still coming out. And the president in an interview with reuters said, i still support msb. Im still behind mbs. But to your point, joe, thats the only place weve really seen republicans come out and they will not come out and protect the special counsel. For whatever reason and weve asked a million times, the Senate Majority leader says the president is not going to fire. Hes not going to take steps to fire bob mueller. We dont have to worry about legislation. That be fundamentalels us, it be fundamentalels a lot of people in this country where they go the confidence for that. I cant answer your question. I dont know why they dont cross him more than they do except in the case of of a Washington Post columnist. If you had said the republicans would basically give murderers in saudi arabia the go ahead, would run up a record federal debt, run up a trillion dollars extra in deficits, they would say no, no, that doesnt sound like a republican, that doesnt sound like a conservative. Thats a radical. Thats who is in the white house right now and thats who the republican rank and file members are supporting right now. If it isnt painfully obvious the to republicans now, god help us. Still ahead, well talk to the reuters reporter who sat down with President Trump yesterday in the oval office. Jeff mason joins the conversation plus Emily Jane Fox who has exclusive reporting on Michael Cohens legal moves. Thats straight ahead. But first, here is bill karins with a check on the forecast. The number one question that will be heard overall today in areas of georgia and areas of atlanta, did you feel it . They had an earthquake earlier this morning, 4 14 a. M. , located in tennessee, but many people in atlanta did feel it. This is one of the biggest theyve ever recorded. Its 4. 4 magnitude, no injuries, no fatalities or anything like that, but just a significant event that a lot of people woke up to early today. Winter weather alerts north of chicago. Milwaukee, watch out for slick roads. Light snow to light ice graze. Fast forward into thursday, here comes our rain storm in thursday night in st. Louis. Friday morning, our storm will be over little rock with heavy rain and rain on the east coast. If y

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