Preferred to spend your time during the press conference the way i did. Mika was downstairs. We heard the droning. I went upstairs. It was grotesque. I turned on rolling stones, very loud. I had to make sure it was loud enough. Mika will put on every tv in the house. Smart play. I went through exile, my favorite cuts from while, main street, let it bleed. That was good. Got some of my 90s favorite hits, right here, right now. The 90s. Ended up with u2, all that you cant leave behind. Good. I have to say, at the end of the one and a half, two hours, i was in a better mood. Youre right. Than mika. Its true. Because i have the twitter, i knew everything he said in five minutes instead of having it wash up having to endure it. Like sludge for two hours. I feel bad for the people, willie, who stand around him. I recommend watching it that way. You can get the important stuff from the doctors later. Pick out the facts the doctors are presenting. Thats a great night. Ive been thinking a lot about the stones since that performance they did on saturday night at the global citizen. That was it. Always been a fan. When they came together on zoom to play you cant always get what you want, ive been in every album, too. I cant believe you just i might go let it bleed, one, and exile, two. I know exile is viewed as perhaps the best album by the stones. You pinpointed both of the best right there. I compartmentalize. Everybody wants us to talk about this. We cant talk about baseball, so well talk about this for a second. The beatles compartmentalize from 62 to 70. I always sort of put the stones in the box of 64 to 72. After, you know, exile, and sticky fingers. Man, i will tell you where i ended with the stones last night. Some girls from 78. Some girls. As i was listening to it, i was thinking, okay, now, youd expect the eagles to write the album that define d decadent la in 1975 with hotel california. Who would have guessed these guys from britain would have written, really, the album and produced and recorded the album in 78 that really encapsulated a decaying new york city the way they did. From miss you to shattered, extraordinary. Much, much better to listen to than, of course, the president s press conference. I mean, think about that longevity. Youre talking now about, what, 60 years . They were preparing for a tour again this summer at 76 77 years old. When they popped up saturday night at the global citizen, mick sounded great. Keith is over in the corner in his voodoo lounge, doing whatever he is doing. Charlie is banging on his record cases because he doesnt have the drums. Theyre so good. They hold up. Every time you go see them, you cross your fingers and say, i hope they still have it. Man, do they. The stone, theyll always have it. They didnt let you down. Ive been used to grading down for my rock heros. Yeah. I was walking through the house, and i heard micks voice come in. I called up tomek memek mika an that a recording . Shes like, no, its live. Ive been listening to it since then. Unbelievable. We have a lot to get to. That was fun for a moment. With joe, willie, and me, we have White House Reporter for the Associated Press, Jonathan Lemire. It is a coincidence. He got out all of his perry como and lawrence last night, as well, following my lead. Lemire, you were good on Instagram Live yesterday with joe. Also with us, capitol hill correspondent and host of kasie d. C. On msnbc on sunday nights love the show kasie hunt is with us. It was another day of incredibly mixed messaging from the Trump Administration. The tension at the briefing was obvious and painful to watch. As the president tried to downplay the concerns of a second wave of the coronavirus in the fall. President trump made several claims during yesterdays press briefing that were immediately refuted by doctors around him. He tried to coax them several times into saying the virus may not return. In another instant, the president claimed the Washington Post misquoted the cdc director at the beginning. He forced the cdc direct eor to get up on stage and refute himself, even though he couldnt. It was incredible. You have to think about the screaming and the arguing that must have happened during the day leading up to that moment, with the president ordering the head of the cdc to try and change what he said to the Washington Post, even though he believes what he said to the Washington Post was true. To give bad medical advice. It was incredible. This is how it played out. Watch this. Dr. Robert redfield was totally misquoted in the media on a statement about the fall season and the virus. Totally misquoted. You were accurately quoted, correct . Im accurately quoted in the Washington Post. What dr. Redfield clearly was asking for, like we ask for every american, to follow the guidelines. Hes saying, please add to the guidelines getting your flu shot and making sure youre protected. There is a chance covid will not come back. We dont know. If it comes back, it is a confined area that we put out. Well, the great thing is, well be able to find it earlier this time. It might not come back at all. It may not come back at all. Hes talking about a worstCase Scenario, where you have a big flu, and you have some corona. It is all possible. It is also possible that it doesnt come back at all. We will have coronavirus in the fall. I am convinced of that. There will be coronavirus in the fall. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I mean, just unbelievable. I cannot wrap my arms around the fact that you have networks that screwed up months ago, saying this was going to be a hoax. Then they screwed up, like, pushing false drugs. Now, theyre screwing up, saying this might magically go away. You have a president who said, this is going to magically go away. We only have 15 people. Its down to zero. Willie, when do these people learn . Donald trumps gut was this is magically going to go away in february. This is magically going to go away. We have 15 cases. It can go down to zero. April, itll magically go away. Were going to have, probably by the end of next week, more people dead from covid19 than died in the entire vietnam tragedy. In the entire vietnam war, more americans dead from covid19. This thing he said would magically go away in april. Then we have the president magically say, this drug, i know nothing about this drug. But my gut just tells me. Like his gut told him itd magically go away, my gut tells me this drug is going to do greatme great. It killed vets. Find out its not working. He actually fired somebody because they wouldnt promote it well get to that. He wouldnt promote it in the way fauci said from the beginning, we have to do Clinical Trials. He had a gut feeling. He was wrong. His gut feeling now is that its not going to come back in the fall. When, in fact, as weve said here for some time, as i tweeted yesterday, even before i knew what was going to be happening in the press conference yesterday, the flu pandemic of 1918 was actually stronger in the fall. I think we said that yesterday on this show. It was stronger in the fall. Like, the real tragedy came over three months in the fall and the winter because it came when it was flu season. Thats what everybody has been warning about for months. I had a guy that doesnt even know about medicine warning me about this mo ttwo months ago. Zeke emmanuel saying, hey, itll be worse in the fall, joe. He said that back in, like, february. This is not breaking news. How could the president not learn from his mistakes and still ignore his doctors, when every medical person will tell you, the pandemic could be the worst, the worst during flu season. Why am i getting so riled up . Because the president wasnt prepared before, right . The president was told in january by everybody botched it. In his administration that this was coming. Even navarro warned him, 500,000 people could die. The president ignored it. He didnt prepare. 50,000 people are dead now because of it, right . He didnt prepare. There should have been a lot less people dead. Most scientists will tell you, im sure, when this is all over, that if we had prepared better, if the chinese had not lied through their teeth, those two things taken together would have saved a lot of lives. But heres my deal, okay . This is not looking backwards. This is looking forward. We have to prepare for the fall. Ive got children i want to go to school in the fall. Not going to happen. Ive got mikas mother. I want her to be able to resume a normal life in the fall. Kids in the college. Not happening. I want the white house to prepare for the fall. They cant do it if donald trump is still acting like this is february, where he says its 15 people and going to magically go away. This is another tragedy. This is another disaster, just like the news work that never learns. They never learn 50,000 americans dead. I know its early in the morning. Im sorry. Believe it or not, i was asleep just 15 minutes ago. Yes, he was. This is jolting, willie. 50,000 i was. I was asleep 15 minutes ago. 0 to 60, my friends. Im up for two hours. 50,000 people dead. They were making these miscalculations a month ago. Theyre still doing it. When will they ever learn . When will they ever learn . By the way, dr. Fauci has been saying this, not just in secret to the president , out loud in public and interviews for months, that this is going to come back in the fall. It was something that those of us who were just learning, most of us in the country, about Infectious Disease at this scale, didnt realize. Yes, he said it likely will come back in the fall. What you had yesterday was the director of the cdc quoted accurately in the Washington Post saying, the winter is going to be bad, too. Well have the combination of coronavirus and the flu. President puts out a tweet yesterday morning and says that the cdc director was terribly misquoted by cnn, he said. It was actually the Washington Post. Hell be putting out a statement. Director redfield, dr. Redfield, did put out a statement yesterday at the hearing with the at the briefing with the president standing at his side, saying, i was quoted accurately by the Washington Post. There you have it. He retweeted it. Jonathan lemire he retweeted it, right. Extraordinary, Jonathan Lemire, the clip we played, showing the journey of the president trying to coax in public, in front of Television Cameras, his own doctors into coming to his gut feeling or his Wishful Thinking, lets put it that way, that this will not come back in the fall. Doctor after doctor after doctor, three of them on that stage yesterday in the White House Briefing room said, no, no. Dr. Birx said, we dont know. Dr. Redfield said, i was quoted accura accurately, saying the winter is going to be bad. Dr. Fauci came out and said, no, mr. President. No, american public. This will be back in the fall, and it is critical we prepare now. Exactly right. Every medical expert on that stage yesterday broke with the president. Some more subtly than others. This is not a secret. This is not news. This virus will be back in the fall. Thats what everyone has been preparing for. Thats what theyve been warning the public about for weeks and months. The point dr. Fauci was trying to make is that it is not a question of whether the virus will be back. It is a question of how we prepare for it. Will we have, you know, better methods in place . Will we have better treatments for those that catch covid19 . There wont be a vaccine, but there could be ways to mitigate the spread. Itll be here. And the point the cdc director made the day before in the Washington Post, which then cnn and others did coverage of, as the president saw, was the idea that when it is combined with the flu season and last years was particularly bad it is going to put a further strain on the medical resources of this country. Yes, in many ways, things could be much more worse this fall, and the president simply didnt want to hear it. According to our reporting, he was in a seethe all day yesterday after the report. It flies in the face of this relentlessly rosy picture he is trying to paint, particularly in the last few weeks, as he is trying to get the economy going again and encouraging states to start slowly reopening. Now, he did have some words yesterday where he urged the georgia governor to slow down in some measures, to not, perhaps, have the tattoo parlors and hair salons open. But he wants the economy to get going. This is not a surprise either. By doing what he did yesterday, publicly contradicting the health experts, not only is that politically perilous, a precarious prediction to make, you know, for a president who is going to be facing voters again in the fall, voters who are going to see whether or not the virus comes back. More than that, it could be it is irresponsible and could be giving americans a false sense of security, that they can resume their normal lives this fall and not get sick, when the virus could be back and back with a vengeance. See, we have a series of polls that show americans are on to the president. What concerns me is when he does what he does yesterday, that further rattles the markets, that further rattles Small Business owners, who understand he is lying. He is just making things up. Theyre sitting there going, my god, ive got to have a president that is going to be responsible. Who knows what he is doing. Who will let the scientists and the doctors and the experts move this country forward, take care of the Health Crisis so i can get back to work. So i can reopen my Small Business. Mika, heres the deal, weve got a series of polls that are now confirming exactly what we all were saying last week. That is, the president s press conferences are hurting him. The president darting around left and right, hurting him. The president , on april 13th, s saying, i have total authority. April 15th, never mind, you guys have the total authority. April 17th, going, liberate, open your states. Yesterday, april 22nd, saying, dont open your states. Georgia, youre doing it the wrong way. It freaks the governors out. It freaks the markets out. It freaks ceos out. And, mika, lets go through these polls, its freaking the voters out. Theyve stopped listening, donald. Your twohour press conference, its called the law of diminishing returns. I read Sports Illustrated in the back of my econ 101 class at the university of alabama, but i did learn about the law of diminishing returns. You should look it up. Your twohour press conferences are now not only beyond that curve of diminishing returns, youre damaging yourself and making it less likely that people are going to be able to get to work earlier. You need to stop. Ive said it for weeks. Look at these poll numbers. Youll see im right, again. Its not just his credibility, he is causing pain. For people who know someone who is suffering, or know someone on the front lines, or arent working, theyre hurting. There are people who are hurting, who are extremely emotional right now. To see a leader refuting himself in real time about whether or not it is going to come back in the fall, about whether or not this is real or if it is going to go away. It is unbelievable. For people who need information and are desperate on the way forward, theyre getting nothing. Except for liberate these states, americans arent listening. Donald, they know those are fringe protests. So the federal governments stay at home guidelines expire next week. An overwhelming majority of americans support the coronavirus protections already in place, according to the latest Associated Press poll. P 76 of americans say they support closing bars and restaurants. People are scared. 68 favor postponing nonessential medical care. 80 support americans st s stayt home, except for essential errands. 82 favor limiting gatherings to ten or fewer people. Those are republicans. Those are democrats. Those are independents. If you go to the cross tabs of these polls, youll see republicans and democrats are just about at the same place on these issues. There is no red state america or p blue state america when it comes to the pandemic. There is just a United States of america who says, why dont we listen to the doctors and scientists instead of politicians who are darting about left and right on stage . Talking to their own doctors. 61 say the steps taken by the government to prevent Coronavirus Infections in their area are about right. 12 say they go too far. Over half of americans say it will not be safe to lift restrictions in the next few weeks. Theyre reading the science here. A majority of florida voters say that the state should not loosen social distancing rules. According to a new Quinnipiac University poll, 72 of florida voters oppose loosening social distancing restrictions by the end of april. That includes 75 of florida voters over 65 years old. Joe, theyre scared. Listen, willie, these numbers are so stark. 80 of americans support the stay at home guidelines right now. 80 , eight in ten. We havent seen polls like that since after 9 11. 80 . 87 of americans believe what the government is doing right now, as far as the stay at home orders, are either just about right or actually not strong enough. 87 , almost nine in ten. 72 of floridians want the stay at home orders and guidelines to stay in place. And think that, actually, getting back at the beginning of may is too soon. So, again, you know, people can take what they want from all of that. I have said, i think if social distancing is allowed, people should be able to walk on beaches, through public parks. People should be able to walk through public spaces. Yes. Actually, i may be a little more out there than i think most americans. But the overwhelming majority of americans believe that we need to stay locked down, at least into may. Yeah. Weve been talking about this, joe, as a partisan pandemic. I think the term that jon meacham coined. I think its true from the president s point of view, from leaderships point of view, but it is actually not, according to the country. Theres no red. Theres no blue here. You talked about the cross tabs. Let me break this out, the ap poll. I think it is fascinating. Among democrats, you might expect this, 95 of democrats believe the re