The way. Well be reading axios am in a little bit. Signup. Axios. Com. That does it for me on this tuesday morning. Im yasmin vossoughian. Morning joe starts right now. This judge is giving us unfair laws. Now i say why. Well, im building a wall, okay . Its a wall between mexico, not another country. Hes not from mexico. Hes from indiana. In my opinion mexican heritage, and he is very proud of it. Maybe thats a question you should ask china. Dont ask me, ask china that question, okay . When you ask them that question, you may get a very unusual answer. Behind you, please. Sir, why are you saying that to me, specifically . Donald trump in 2016 and yesterday from the white house podium. Good morning. Welcome to morning joe. It is tuesday, may 12th. What a moment that was. Along with joe, willie, and me, we have Pulitzer Prizewinning columnist and associate editor of Washington Post and msnbc political analyst, Eugene Robinson. Well have more on trumps 2020 version of his judge curiel moment just ahead. First, when the president wasnt brushing back reporter questions with extremely racist responses, he was telling more lies about a number of coronavirus issues. He said that the numbers are coming down very rapidly all throughout the country, by the way. Thats a lie. White house data contradicts that. Well have the new numbers for you in a moment. They do not reflect what the president said. He has suggested repeatedly that children are in the clear, yet the cdcs own findings prove otherwise. He said that america leads the world in testing. False. Iceland, italy, germany, and canada all test more per person. He echoed his favorite false claim, continuing to repeat his infamous march 6th statement. That anyone who wants a test can get one. Anybody, right now and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. Theyre there. They have the tests. The tests are beautiful. Anybody that needs a test gets a test. If people want to get tested, they get tested. We have the greatest capacity in the world. Not even close. If people want to get tested, they get tested. For the most part, they shouldnt want to get tested. Its not true. And his claim on the u. S. Death rate from the virus was wildly off base. I think one of the things were most proud of is this just came in deaths per 100,000 people. Deaths per 100,000 people. Germany and the United States are at the lowest wrung of that ladder, meaning, low is a positive, not a negative. Germany and the United States are the two best in deaths per 100,000 people. Which, frankly, to me, thats perhaps the most important number there is. Except its wrong. Okay. I just want to connect on just the last thing the president said here. Willie, he said, thats, perhaps, the most important stat that we have. And i guess id agree with him. His only problem is, he said were tied for first with germany. Close. Okay, not that close. If you actually look at the Johns Hopkins information here, we these are the worst mortality rates in the world, willie, out of 140 countries. Im not good in math, okay . Im not a harvard boy. I went to alabama. I think 140 minus 9 still is 131. Were not first in the world. Out of the 140 countries that Johns Hopkins university is following, we rank 131 in mortality rates. You combine that with what he said about this mysterious childhood illness, and says, well, at least theyre all recovering. His own testing director had to say, no, mr. President , thats wrong. You get what he said about testing. They had signs, the best in the world. Were not. Were still behind. As mika said, were like fifth in the world on that. Making some progress, but still far behind. You look at all these claims. It was another Afternoon Press Conference it was awful. And another pack of lies from a man who told 18,000 lies. Its interesting, willie, that you have all these anti, antitrump posers, who pull out their fainting couches any time anyone in the media makes a mistake. Fainting couches are not used, certainly dont worry about the president s 18,000 lies. Or these lies during the worst crisis the United States has faced since world war ii. Yesterday was an astounding blizzard of lies from the president of the United States. Yeah. Easily demonstrable lies, too. The president , yesterday, showed he is living in a parallel universe, where he is trying to wish away, again, a global pandemic. You cant do it. We have the numbers. We can show you that were not first in the world in death rate. Were 131st in death rate. He said on testing, we have met the moment, and we have prevailed. If that doesnt say to you, i want to turn the corner on this and pretend its not happening, nothing else does. Hes wrong on the facts. He was wrong on almost everything he said yesterday, including on testing, including the death rates, and including on the number of cases in this country, which is really important. He wants it to appear, by the words he expresses, that this thing is going away, that we have it under control. Case, cases, as we said many times, are down in coastal places and new york city, but were showing new evidence from his own task force that shows it is popping up across the country, just as many people predicted. Again, data from his own task force showing that, not us. Willie, thats the astounding thing here. H when we talk about, on this show, the need for america to reopen, but reopen safely, as i say all the time, im not talking about Nancy Pelosis standards she put out there. Not politics. Im not talking about the nation magazines standards. Im not talking about the Young Marxist League of greater manhattans standards for reopening the government. Im talking about Donald Trumps own standards that donald trump set out a couple of weeks ago. Its his own standards were going by. These numbers, for the most part, are usually his own numbers. Yet, time and time again, hes wildly off base. Time and time again, he is wrong. As you say, time and time again, hes wishing this away. I wrote a column in the Washington Post a couple weeks ago, talking about the year of magical thinking. Borrowed that from a joan di din memoir. He also said this isnt coming back in the fall, when just about every person of science, just about every doctor that knows what theyre talking about, Health Care Experts say this fall will likely be the worst wave. In some models, the fall will actually be worse than what weve just endured. Yeah, theres optimism, which you want from a leader and from a president , and then theres lying about the data to try to project something thats not there. Thats what the president was doing up there yesterday. Because the nations top Infectious Disease expert intends to warn the senate that americans would experience needless suffering and death if the country opens up too quickly. Dr. Anthony fauci expected to make his first appearance before Congress SincePresident Trump declared a National Emergency in march, when he testifies remotely at a highprofile hearing before the committee today. Dr. Fauci, according to the times, plans to warn against the extreme dangers if the country opens too quickly. Fauci previewed his message to senators. Quote, if we skip over the checkpoints and the guidelines to open america again, then we risk the danger of multiple outbreaks throughout the country. This will not only result in needless suffering and death, but would actually set us back on our quest to return to normal. Again, that is dr. Anthony fauci of the president S White House task force in this pandemic. Lets bring in former white house adviser for health policy, professor and part of the global initiatives at university of pennsylvania, zeke emanuel, senior and medical contributor. Good to see you. We can get into what dr. Fauci will say today. First, what you heard from the president yesterday on testing, on the number of cases, and on the death rate, what did you make of his view of this pandemic . Well, you know, i think as you guys accurately said, it is not clear where he is getting his data. Just on the testing, i think there are 25 countries that have tested on the per capita basis more than we have. You listed some of them, germany, iceland, israel. Hes not engaging with the data, and he is not even attempting to engage with the data. I mean, if you get one piece of data wrong, we understand. When you its a whole series of things, youre just trying to imagine Something Different than reality. The fact about science is, you cant deny it. It comes back and will bite you because its reality. I would also say one thing. We now have 30 states that are opening up. Almost all of them have failed President Trumps Task Force Criteria for opening. Either their number of cases are going up rather than having the week decline as required, or their percentage of positive cases are going up, indicating theyre actually finding more cases in the population. So these are very pbad indicators. I think it is what is making tony fauci very nervous about opening these states up. Because you have a few cases, and then we get into the exponential growth. Its the few cases you need to Pay Attention to, not wait for your exponential growth before you take action. Unfortunately, i think politicians are very eager to open up and not waiting for so, zeke, youre exactly right. You have to weigh the president is the best example of this, how you need to focus on a few cases. It was the president who still goes around yelling, going, i was supposed to shut down the economy when there were no cases . There were no cases and no deaths. Yes, exactly. When you see the storm coming, you prepare for it. Gene robinson, its like when a hurricane is coming, you dont wait for the deaths on shore to start planning. If you know the hurricane is coming, you start boarding up a week ahead of time. Donald trump still doesnt understand this about the pandemic. By the way, hurricane is here. Let me say this again. The trump liars got out their fainting couches when i said that everybody knew in early january. Its all i said to zeke emanuel one time. Everybody said i was a liar, a sociopath. The fainting couches for the trump apologists and russian idiots and bots, all shocked. In early january, the warnings began going through the Trump Administration, the state department, cdc, fda, the hhs. I could continue from early january. Yet, the president is still claiming he shouldnt have done anything because there were no deaths yet in the United States. You plan for the hurricane when it is offshore, not after everybody is dying. But, you know, gene, these lies one after another after another after another yesterday. Again, the fainting couches for people upset about jimmy kimmel videos. They were shocked about that, which i actually, being dad, i was running around and saw it retweeted. I unretweeted and apologized. That was the end of the republic. How can we survive from the lies of late night shows being retweeted by the cable news hosts . How can the republic go on . Yet, donald trump lied repeatedly. Lied about lies. Said the most important matrix we have were the number of deaths per 100,000, and in that, were number one. Except, no. As Johns Hopkins says, were 131 out of 140. If thats the most important matrix, gene, were doing a pretty bad job. One other thing. I know youre saying, joe has to have at least one more thing to say. Gene, youre right, i do. I knew it. Dr. Fauci, hes coming forward with guidelines today. Yeah. And hes coming forward with Donald Trumps guidelines. Hes coming forward with the white house guidelines. We had zeke talk about it. Let me just share really quickly, and then i promise, im going to throw the football to you and let you run as long as you want. Dr. Fauci, among his recommendations, and among donald trump these are Donald Trumps recommendations, by the way, conspiracy therapists out there, who think that dr. Fauci is somehow profiting off of this or bill gates is profiting off of this, and libtards want to keep the government in charge. This, Donald Trumps plans to reopen america. Whats one of Donald Trumps guidelines to reopen america . States should have a downward trajectory of positive tests or a downward trajectory of documented cases of coronavirus over two weeks, says donald trump. While conducting robust Contact Tracing and seurveillance testing, says donald trump, especially in vulnerable populations like nursing homes, says donald trump. Libtard, donald trump is the one that is putting these recommendations out that dr. Fauci going to talk about today, that trumpists on their fainting couches across america are freaking out about. Theyre Donald Trumps own guidelines. Lets see this, the white house plan for opening up america. You can almost with that title, the former republican in me can almost hear Lee Greenwood singing in the background. Opening up america. I love Lee Greenwood, by the way. But, gene, these are the president s own guidelines. People are freaking out, taking military style weapons to state legislators, screaming and threatening and attacking police officers, yelling in their face, threatening their lives. Because these states actually took the president at his word, and theyre trying to follow the white house guidelines. Gene, i toss the football to you. Okay. This is a year of magical thinking continued, isnt it . It is magical thinking. It is continuing. So lets you talk about the president s own guidelines. Lets talk about the president s own house. The coronavirus has entered the president s own house. Katie miller, Vice President pences spokeswoman. One of the president s valets. It is, of course, necessary to keep the white house functioning in this time. Al bee albeit, with a president isnt live all the time. But you have to keep the white house going. Theyve engineered a way to do it, right . Everybody is going to get tested every day. They have very quick, rapid Contact Tracing, so people who are in contact with katie miller, deborah booth from Vice President pences plane. Now, the president is encouraging governors to open up workplaces across the country that have no such security measures, safety measures. They dont have, you know, tracing, enough testing, enough Contact Tracing. So lets ask the president about that. Of course, he would probably just lie. I mean, i like your hurricane metaphor. What we have been doing, essentially, we did not board up the windows before the hurricane hit. We should have. You know, the first stirrings of wind. South korea, for example, boarded up the windows haand ha had a much better outcome than we did. We didnt board up the windows when the wind was blowing 100 miles an hour. Thats what weve been trying to do. As a result, we sustained a lot of damage. And, so now, were supposed to as the hurricane continues to rage, were supposed to just stop. We finally maybe started, maybe were starting to bend the curve some. Maybe, we can hope. Then were supposed to give up and let the roof be blown off, i guess. It is astoundingly stupid. As dr. Fauci is expected to say, it is going the lead to needless death and suffering. Well, you know, willie, continuing this wonderful hurricane metaphor, the president was warned. The president was showing the hurricane was coming, and the president was warned repeatedly, hurricane is coming. State department warned him. Pentagon warned him. Intel community warned him. Hhs director warned him. So many warnings. National security counskurec warned him. Repeatedly warned throughout january. I dont know if you knew this or not, willie, but january 22nd, the president said in davos, we only have one person. They came in from china. And, well, its going away. Were going to be fine. We got it completely under control. Then right after that, he talked about how great president xi was. I dont know if you knew that. Theres a lot of talk about china right now. The president , of course, making a racist comment to an american reporter, trying to somehow insult her payobecause of her heritage, just like judge curiel. He said this on the 22nd. Couple days later, President Trump thanked president xi, sort of bent over backwards, in fact, thanking president xi. Saying that he was completely transparent, and thichina, completely transparent. He said, china has been working very hard to contain the virus. Donald trump says, the United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. Donald trump said, itll all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, i want to thank president xi. That didnt happened. At the time he was ckowtowing president xi, people in his administration were trying to get president xis people to work with them so we could prepare for the hurricane. They refused to do it. President trump kept saying for another month, it is only 11 cases. Soon, itll be down to zero. The hurricane is coming closer to shore. He told africanamerican leaders, this is going to go away like magic. Nothing to worry about. It is a hoax. Asked in march about it, at the same time people on another network were saying this is the medias latest hoax to try to bring down donald trump. Donald trump was saying, at the same time, im not worried about it at all. He said that in march. As the hurricane got closer and closer to shore, willie. Everybody was warning him that this hurricane was going to hit. Even navarro said 500,000 souls might be lost. Yeah. To go back to january, the president was closing his eyes and wishing this away, and h