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World stage today and amid the expected is trump gaffes and attacks on the press, the main event was his First Official meeting with russian president Vladimir Putin after this unanswered question. Did you rig the election. Thank you very much. The two leaders along with secretary of state rex tillerson, Russian Foreign minister Sergey Lavrov met for more than two hours is during which time trump allegedly did bring up russias election interference which putin again denied. That meeting might have the overshadowed remarks trump made thursday in warsaw. That speech written by travel ban author Steven Miller reminded me of trumps propensity for dog whiling to the altright a habit he carried all the way to 1600 pennsylvania avenue. We have enough respect for our citizens to protect our borders. Do we have the desire and the courage to preserve our civilization in the face of those who would subvert and destroy it . I declare today for the world to hear that the west will never ever be broken. Our values will prevail. Our people will thrive. And our civilization will triumph. Joining me now executive director of the tara asymmetrics project malcolm nance, yahoo news and finance anchor bianna golodryga. Former cia special agent jack rice and republican media strategist rick wilson. Thank you all very much for being here. Weve heard lots of clips of the president s speech in warsaw. The one thing that leapt out which we didnt play it in this clip but in this whole run of things talking about western civilizati civilization, he threw in there we write symphonies. That triggered the alarm bells for me that will this was not just some speech about Democratic Values or western civilization. This was about something else. It reminded me of in that congressman steve king said on our air last july. Id scud to go back through history and figure out where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people youre talking about. Where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization. Than white people . Than western civilization itself thats rooted in western europe, Eastern Europe and the United States of america. And every place where the footprint of christianity settled the world. Bianna, i want to start with you. Am i wrong in makinging this parallel between steve king, President Trump, and White Nationalism . Theres a theme youre seeing. What strikes me is that this president doesnt go into these meetings and speeches focusing on democracy and Democratic Values. Thats the easiest way for him to differentiate us from the russians from, from Vladimir Putin, what have you. This focus on civilizations, us versus them, terrorists versus the civilized worlds that write symphonies plays right into the Vladimir Putins playbook. You look at just u. S. Polls here how Many Americans view russia more favorably. You see their commonality when it comes to the nra, when it comes to evangelicals. Its something were seeing transpire just recently over time. There is an alarming theme in all of that. This is out of the russian playbook. Theyve done this in countries in europe and during their election cycles trying to sow division. In the eastern world, they do it almost the way Adolph Hitler did it by going after ethnic russian groups pocketed throughout the bordering states of modern day russia and empowering those. The fighting in the ukraine is just an example of that. Russia gave all those rebels passports and said theyre russian. But i have one other thing id like to add about that speech. That speech was the ultimate fulfillment of osama bin ladens ideology of the belief there would be a clash of civilizations what he views as his crazy version of islam and the west. Bin laden believed in Samuel Huntingtons clash of civilizations and he thought by collapsing the soviet union in the 1980s, that islam, his version, not the present one thats been around since 622, his version of islam would eventually go into a war with the west. And trump seemed to embody and enshrine that belief that the west should steal itself for a clash of civilizations with other cultures, other beliefs. Which pretty much spelled out, you know, the muslim world. Right. Jack, thats one of the things that troubled me the most in this, in that speech by the president is that hes setting up this clash of civilizations. Hes dos done this thing that president george w. Bush avoided after 9 11 that will president obama studiously avoided during his eightyear presidency to not give any comfort to those folks in al qaeda in, isis,anyone in the muslim world who wants to get converts because the United States and the west is trying to destroy them. Youre right. Hes still running for office. The problem is hes never taken the chair and is leading is the free world if we want to use that term still. What he has the capability of doing as the president of the United States is to stand up, open up his arms and say understand, we are all connected in a globalized world, we can all move forward. We will all drive forward together. This isnt a left versus right or a west versus east or a west versus middle east issue. We need to find a way to move forward, and there are connections between us where we can all benefit. Instead he tries to find a way to create a leverage between everybody so he seems to think he wins. The problem is, the United States will continue to lose and will lose big if he continues down this path. Weve seen his failure in the past. Sadly, he seems to want to perpetuate it. Rick, the president , the president will hear maybe this discussion. Who knows . He might be listening. He hears people criticizing his speech in russia and sent out a couple of tweets i found interesting. One, he sent out on friday saying my experience yesterday in poland was a great one. Thank to you everyone including the haters for the great reviews of the speech. And then inexplicably he sends out another tweet on friday saying everyone here is talking about why john podesta refused to give the dnc server to the fbi and the cia. Disgraceful. Lets leave aside the podesta tweet. That is so out there otherworldly. Lets deal with the first one about the haters of his speech in warsaw. Rick . Look, i think the speech was a yes, there was a lot of dog whistling in the speech. But the location is as important as the content. He went to poe land, one of the few places in europe where he would receive a welcome that wasnt going to be very overtly hostile to him and gave a speech that was red meat for the sort of national i didnt feel and eth note nationalist authoritarianism na trump and bannon and steve mill remember drawn to. The underpinning signal, they dont believe in western civilization in the classical sense. They believe in the use of thetrope of western civilization to execute a more an authoritarian form of governance. That is why you end up with a lot of secret code words and dog whistles this guy is dependent on because he is they like i said, the classical values of western civilization arent what they care about, the symphonies and literature and architecture they dont care about. They care about using that as a vector to achieve a more ethnationalist form of governance, anna theme ma to constitutional government. So the president gives this speech in warsaw. He visits poland but he its more like he didnt do something that other president s have done and he did not visit the holocaust memorial. Heres a quote from politico in an article about another way trump dog whistled to nationalists during his visit in poland. The president s decision to skip that symbolic visit was seen as handing a victory to poe lands right wring nationalist ruling party. The law and Justice Party has been highlighting the role of the poll poles who fought against nazi germany while downgrading in polish jew whos perished in the holocaust. This is something bianna and malcolm talked about where the president isnt really talking about western civilization. Hes talking about a very specific and narrow slice of a particular civilly indication. Karine, give me your views on the president s speech and what weve been talking about so far. Jonathan, this is exactly what we saw for 1 months. The dog whistling, nationalism. You have receive bannon and steve miller by his side. They all have the same views. Dont forget the inauguration speech and how awful that was. Hes taken his Campaign Mode into president ial mode. He did it at the inauguration and now into the global mode. We have to remember, this is a president who believes in isolationism and so its not at all surprising. If anything, its embarrassing because it takes us the u. S. Away from that Global Leaders role were supposed to be. Were supposed to be the leader of the free world. And now you have these different alliances from the World Leaders that are happening outside of donald trump because they dont trust him and feel incredibly uncomfortable with him. Now theyre there, when theyre not talking to him, theyre talking about what are we going to do about north korea and u. S. Trade deals . Theyre talking about hey, what are we going to do about the paris accord now that the u. S. Has dropped out. It just makes sus look awful. Were showing b roll of the family photo they did at the g20. Whats notable about that video we saw at the beginning, where President Trump is standing. Look right there to the left of your screen. President trump, the president of the United States at a g20 summit is shouldnshunted off to of that group. In the past, the president has been front and center, maybe one or twos spaces away from maybe the host of the summit. But the in talking about the isolation of the United States, jack, let me come to you with this. What have ca rin was talking about how the world is going around the United States, this cannot be good for the longterm Strategic National interests of our country, can it . Of course not. We look at what the United States did after world war ii, created 9 Marshall Plan for a reason. We wanted stability and a bulwark against the soviet union and wanted a trading partner. We wanted to strengthen the world because we benefited from that. The United States created an organizational structure and in fact, the United States became the most powerful country on the planet because of that. The problem that we see right now is that this president has been undercutting those underpinnings. Hes been undercutting those organizational structures and what its going to do is exclude the United States. Its going to drive the United States into that corner where donald trump is. Thats the last place we want to be. You know what . If theres an organization out there and we dont get a seat at the table, a whole lot of things will be done but the United States isnt going to be in the room. Malcolm, how dangerous is that . And also, is this something that the United States can pull back from . Either after the midterm elections lets say one of the houses flips or in the next election if theres another president . Keep in mind, weve got 3 1 2 more years to go. If the United States continues down this more isolated route and is isolated by the rest of the world, can that damage be repaired with another administration or four to eight years from now . Im sure it can be repaired. This is the United States. We make mistakes and go backwards and then we move forwards. Were moving ourself to a point thats almost preworld war ii where the American Values of the spreading of democracy which millions, 50 Million People lost their lives in world war ii and that became the principal guiding doctrine of the United States is now inoperative by the president of the United States and his senior staffs own design. Theres another danger in here. That speech was not only hailed by Trump Supporters but over the last day or so, weve been seeing a lot of right wing extremists potentially terrorist groups calling that what they call the 1488 speech. The 14 words, right . Which are. We must protect the existence of our. White race. Of our white race and the future of our white children and then slash 88 which stands for hh, heil hitler. That has been burning like wildfire, not over storm front and all these other websites. The tweet sarah palin tweeted out yesterday says 14 words. A few years ago, a guy in norway, a right wing extremist, follower of this same doctrine mass murdered over 75 people in norway. Believing that would bring about this uprising to secure those 14 words. Are we going to see that . Is this being condoned by the white house. Sirm couple venting the United States hurts all of our allies, as well. Everyone else becomes weaker from france to germany and obviously russia is the benefactorer here. My guests will be back. Up next, a former Trump Nominee will join me to talk about the looming budget crisis. You dont want to the miss it. saved money on motorcycle insurance with geico goin up the country. Love mom and dad im takin a nap. 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Situation is even more dire today. Considered what happened just on june 30th. First the independent Nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office issued a report that warned if the ceiling isnt raised, the federal government will most likely not have enough cash on hand to pay all of its bills in early to midoctober. The second thing that happened on june 30th, in response, Steve Mnuchin said at the white house for the benefit of everybody, the sooner that they do this, the better, they being congress. Ten republican senators sent a hair on fire letter to mish mcconnell warning that after they return from the july 4th recess on monday, there are only 33 potential working days remaining before the end of the fiscal year. 33 days. 33 days to repeal obamacare, Institute Tax reform, raise the debt ceilinging and cobble together a 2018 budget by october 2nd. Right around the time the cbo says the nation could default for the first time in its history. Now, we asked the white house for a representative to come on and discuss all this. They pointed us to our next guest. Joining me now is and drew puzner, President Trumps former nominee for secretary of labor before he withdrew his name in february. Thank you very much for being here this morning. Nice to be here. Thanks. So help me out with the something because there seems to be a bit of tension within the Trump Administration. On the one hand, you have steve ma mnuchin who says the debt ceiling should be raised, clean and done as soon as possible. On the other hand, the white house budget director nick mull veiny thinks maybe there should be some horse trading done, some conditions placed on raising the debt ceiling. You know the economy. Youre a businessman. Which do you think the white house which path do you think the white house should pursue . I think the white house is pursuing the path that secretary manu shin laid out when steve talks about increasing the debt ceiling as soon as possible. I think thats widely shared within the administration. I do think our president is a negotiator. I think that director mull veiny would like to negotiate. Everybody knows, look, Everybody Knows we cant default on the obligation of the United States. The debt ceiling will be increased and the administration is behind it i believe 100 . Theres a difference between increasing the debt ceiling which is increasing the legal limit on federal borrowing. Everyone agrees that should happen. But how it should happen seems to be what the tension is whether there should be conditions placed on raising it or if congress should just do a clean raising of the debt ceilinging with no conditions placed on it, no horse trading over anything related to budget matters cutting spending or anything like that. Do you think that congress should just pursue a clean debt ceiling bill . It depends.

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