That the president sold it on a basis that was not true has undermined the foundation of his second term. I think its rotting it away. Wait, theres a little bit more, the Washington Post obtaining an internal memo that shows an outside Health Adviser warning of trouble ahead for the rollout. Telling the administration, quote, i do not believe the relevant members of the administration understand the president s vision or have the capability to carry it out. Looking back, people are going to be scratching their heads for years going how did they make this mistake . So how do mistakes like this happen inside the west wing . Well, look, i think thats a fairly devastating story. Joining me now is democratic congressman jerry nadler from new york. I want to get your reaction from this from the Washington Post article in which it says a 2008 obama Health Campaign adviser puts the rollout this way. They were running the biggest startup in the world and they didnt have anyone who had run a startup or even run a Small Business or a business. Its very hard to think where the people best at getting legislation passed is best at implementing it. Weve seen zeke emanuel saying this is a long game on morning joe, this is a marathon for the social contract of our country. Some see it at this moment of a sprint and even the democrats are failing. With these new numbers out about millions losing their insurance, how do you get better control of the narrative that obama care isnt the titanic . Well, i think that the rollout has certainly been fouled up, without question. Why well find out in the fullness of time. But that wont matter in the long run. What will matter is do people in the end get good insurance thats cheaper than what they have . And i think most people will. Remember that all these things were seeing now, all the hype about millions of people facing cancellation of insurance, these policies, many of which have 10 or 25,000 deductibles, many of which dont cover drugs and other things, are being cancelled because they dont meet the basic requirements. But most of these people, probably 9 10 of them will be able to get much better policies more cheaply on the exchanges. So that theyll have better policies more cheaply. Now, they dont see that yet because they dont see the exchange yet, but within a couple of months they should see that and people should be well served. Also remember that were talking here about a subset of 5 to 6 of the people, because most people you get their insurance from medicare, medicaid from their employers or the veterans administration. None of that is affected. Were talking about the individual market. But this 5 still needs to be represented and not marginalized by this. Let me just ask you, why arent you and your colleagues but those 5 90 of them will have much better insurance for cheaper than theyre getting it now. Absolutely. But they do not have that understanding yet because the private Insurance Companies, theyre not really helping in all of this. Let me just show the headline, sir, to everybody because weve got how the narratives are fighting out on the front pages here. Headlines out today, the New York Times is pointing out millions are eligible for free policies under the care act but insurers are reluctant to push the option because of a costly tradeoff. Ezra klein estimates as many as seven million uninsured people may be eligible for those bronze hel health plans that are free after the subsidy. And talking points memo into the lengths that the insurers are going to hide obama care benefits from its customers and in some states pressuring them to choose these new plans before the october 1st open enrollment dates. How do you encourage the Insurance Companies to tap into millions of new customers and recognize this is a good thing if everybody can figure out how it works. Well, the Insurance Companies understand that theyre tapping into millions of new customers. Thats why the mandate was put in, in order to enable them to give to insure everybody, including those with preexisting conditions without increasing peoples rates. Unfortunately, there are unscrupulous people in Insurance Companies, not all of them, obviously, but enough of them to be doing what they can to fool people, to get them to sign on to expensive policies they dont need. Now thats mostly a matter of state regulations. Some states have the ability under law to prohibit it, to fine them, to stop them and kentucky is doing that. Other states dont and should get that capability. If we were operating in a normal environment, that is where the republicans as well as the democrats were trying to make the law work instead of trying to destroy it, we would pass a bill in Congress Quickly that gave the federal government the ability to make sure that Insurance Companies didnt mislead their customers and that if they did, they were severely sanctioned and fined for it and the proper information was given to people. Instead we have republican governors and legislatures doing everything they can to sabotage the navigators and others giving out correct information. The onus has been put on the federal government to get the website exchanges up and running. Not just to get the website exchanges up and running but to give out a lot of the information because the states arent doing it. In so many of these reds states there has obstruction in getting the exchanges up and running. In states where they are running weve seen success, in maryland an also kentucky. But we continue to push through this thing together. Well let you go, sir. New york congressman jerrold nadler. I want to bring in the host of hardball, Chris Matthews. Chris, its good to have you here. The latest revelations about the millions of people that have lost their insurance coverage, that is a sexy headline. Its easy too. Its easy. But the reality is, these are junk policies that did not meet the basic standard of care and these people that are getting these cancellation notices, they didnt realize that maybe they were one catastrophic emergency room visit or crazy situation away from being bankrupt. I think its kind of a normal way. Suppose youve been healthy the last two or three years and nothing has gone wrong. Hows your Health Insurance for you . Its great. If youve had cancer warnings, if youve had real terrible chronic threats down the line, you know all the problems. Youve heard the deductibles, hospitalization costs were going to kill you. This is the way its selling. But the president has a problem here. I think a lot of people like me hate paperwork. They hate having to deal with accountants, they hate tax time, they hate keeping records, and they were told you dont have to deal with the bureaucracy, youre home free. Just sign that policy and youre in business all for yourself. I think people were unfairly told you get away clean on this one. In fact youll have to join the exchanges and deal with everything everybody else does. I think that was dishonest if it was done on purpose. Most of us all hate change when it comes to things like this where we have to amend what were used to, even if it is for our betterment. But let me talk about the fact that all of this is taking up the oxygen in the d. C. Chamber and no one is talking about the shutdown and what that cost the country. I think these are different by the way, i think these are so unrelated. I know some people have already been saying, well, this is going to show that we were right in shutting down the government. I think people see them both as problems. One is the inefficient democrats and the other is the malicious republicans that want to bring it down. Boy the way, if you have cancer, who are you rooting for, the guy trying to get you help or the one thats not trying . That was pointed out by krugman and other columnists. If you have a real case or stage 4 cancer, you want the federal government to come up with a Health Care Option that you can afford and get into, not somebody thats doing nothing. The people i dont trust are the critics that have no plan. The cruzzes and rand pauls. They dont have a health care plan. They just go negative. Rand paul, in kentucky its highly successful. Because they put the exchange in. Lets talk about double down. This is the new book thats out by Mark Halperin and john hileman. There are a number of revelations including the Hillary Clinton swap for biden, now the search for the white knight. If romney couldnt deliver sense santorum and romneys issues with Chris Christie, including his health and taurdness. Heres what governor christie told Kelly Odonnell about the book itself. But the fact is that these are just two guys trying to sell a book, lets not forget that. They sensationalize things. They go to low level staff to try to get a sensational book because they want to make money. It doesnt make it valid and nothing im concerned about, kelly. Nothing that he is concerned about. Is he concerned about the score settling . It looks to me like the romney staffers who gave him all the middle level goods on him, like he overused his expense account as u. S. Attorney and stayed at the four seasons instead of the days inn, who cares. Clearly there was bad blood left over from the fact that he looked very good walking the beach with barack obama and that hurt governor romney. If all of this is true, though i think theres some irishness in here somewhere of getting even. We get romney talking about Chris Christie over the weekend on meet the press as a potential president ial candidate and singing a different tune. At this stage you look at Chris Christie and say thats a very impressive guy with a great track record with a demonstrated ability to work across the aisle, with support of labor and blue collar voters in new jersey. Its a pretty compelling story and theres some other very compelling stories. Paul ryan, jeb bush, marco rubio. Theres a long list of very capable people. But Chris Christie stands out as one of the very strongest lights in the Republican Party. No ted cruz on that list, no rand paul. I think, look, i have nothing against governor romney, hes probably a good man, good father and husband and all. But i think hes regretting the campaign he ran. He ran as a faux right winger. Hes the Massachusetts Governor who was a centrist governor. I think hes looking at christie that can run the campaign he should have win. That would be real serendipity. Christie wanted that job and romney obviously looked at him and found him too heavyweight, actually too big for the job. Chris christie hes losing some weight. That conversation with Kelly Odonnell. I had a conversation with him once where i made a stupid crack about his weight and he called me up and said im working on it. You cant not like a guy like that. Who doesnt have weight problems. A lot of americans can relate to that. Weve got three big races today, new york city mayor, bill de blasio against joe lhota. Terry mcauliffe is several points ahead of Ken Cuccinelli and Chris Christie has a wide lead over Barbara Buono. But virginia, new jersey say a lot of the ballots for the heart of the Republican Party. The clintons are really making virginia their territory. Exactexactly. But its going to show the difference between Chris Christie taking over a blue state and here we go with mcauliffe where Ken Cuccinelli could have run away with this race. This is like the bonapartes making maximillan emperor of mexico. This is a reach by the clintons. They take a guy, a good guy, mcauliffe, and put him into virginia. Its an extraordinary success. Hes a very likeable guy but the clintons will get a lot of credit for this. This is the first big pin on the map. Weve got virginia next time. Do you think this is the tale of where the Republican Party is going and Chris Christie will become the National Story . I have a dog in this race. I want the Republican Party to return to its roots. It will always have a very hard right part to it but i think its got to rebuild its center. I think with christie they have a good shot at rebuilding the old new york and pennsylvania and new jersey Republican Party, the party that used to be a centrist party. They need to have that wing up there. It takes two wings, and that centrist wing has to be rebuilt, i think. Chris matthews, great to have you here, be sure to watch hardball at 7 00 p. M. Tonight i get to be a guest on your show. Tonight or very soon. My producers, were deciding. But wed love to have you on. Look at that, i just got my throat slit right here on my own show. We want to get you after you come back from russia. We want the russia. He goes hardball on me on my own hour. Look at that. Cut right here on my own show. All right, chris, great to see you, buddy. Ted cruz pays a visit to another state that could be critical to 2016. This time hes taking his lone star tea to South Carolina. Well talk to two political insiders there about what hes hoping to accomplish there. Also ahead, if Chris Christie wins reelection tomorrow, what will that signal for his president ial aspirations and that possible run against Hillary Clinton . The agenda panel will jump on those topics when we come back, after i triage all my cuts and bruises from Chris Matthews right there. Were back after that. Doesnt like being sold to. The last thing i want is to feel like someone is giving me a sales pitch, especially when it comes to my investments. You want a broker you can trust. A lot of guys at the other firms seemed more focused on selling than their clients. Thats why i stopped working at my old brokerage and became a Financial Consultant with charles schwab. Avo what kind of Financial Consultant are you looking for . Talk to us today. So republican fire brand ted cruz is in another important 2016 state today. Senator cruz, who visited iowa less than two weeks ago, is in South Carolina to speak at a pastors policy briefing in columbia. Its the same group that Newt Gingrich spoke to twice before he won the states 2012 president ial primary. Joining me now is msnbc contributor Jimmy Williams and republican strategist hogan gidley. Hogan, let me start with with you. This is a smart move for ted cruz, isnt it . It is a smart move. Im not going to swipe your cuts like Chris Matthews did in your first half of television. It was a small knick on my artery. Its fine. South carolina is obviously important to the president ial process. I spoke with some officials in the ground in South Carolina this morning, im in d. C. , and we talked about his showing, his appearance. His style is very good for that group. Its Something Like huckabee has done several times and gingrich has done it as well. Its right in ted cruzs wheelhouse. Its about faith. Its about tying faith to public policy. Ted cruz has tried to do that many times and this is the group you want to court if youre going to make a 2016 run. In my opinion, though, im still not sold he makes that run. Jimmy, earlier we heard mitt romney on meet the press give names out like christie, rubio and ryan for 2016. I want to play what he said about ted cruz. Does ted cruz stand out to you as a potential light of the Republican Party . Look, im not going to disqualify anybody, but i think ive indicated some of the names i think are most effective in becoming elected and well see where it goes. He could have started that with bless his heart, but he didnt, followed by that but that he then went into. Is there a problem for cruzzed credibility and electability. Mitt romney called his own self severely conservative, which no one believed anyway. Im not really sure i could care less what mitt romney thinks about ted cruz and the 2016 elections. Hes lost, hes done, go live in malibu. But my bigger point is here in South Carolina dont forget gingrich only won with 40 , mitt romney got 28 . Rick santorum came in third with 17 in South Carolina. Its a very tricky state. You have evangelicals up in the upper part of the state. You have folks in columbia, they dont like a lot of the social issues unless youre in the suburbs and people in the downstate dont like the social issues at all. And so this whole tea party idea, it certainly is alive and well in South Carolina, but its not nearly at the levels that it was four years or in 2012. Or in 2010, to be honest with you. So im not really sure what ted cruz is doing down there except for running for president , but it doesnt mean that he can get the nomination. 1980, ronald reagan, every gop nominee that won the South Carolina primary, went on to become the partys nominee. That fall, except for Newt Gingrich. Lets be fair to mitt romney because that killer house is not in malibus are its in la jolla. I apologize. The el as a result begins in malibu. Lets talk about the political a