Outdated. And on general mike flynn, the former National Security adviser, who has now registered officially as a Foreign Agent for his lobbying before the campaign in turkey, sean spicer was asked whether donald trump would have appointed him to that position of nsa if he did know that . And sean spicer said, i do not know. We have a team of analysts and reporters here to break down what happened in that press briefing. Joining me here on set, david, alease, joel benenson, and in the Briefing Room itself we have Hallie Jackson at the pentagon. We have hans nichols. Hallie, i would i think your ear piece doesnt quite work yet. Can you hear me . Reporter yes. Wonderful. Give me the major headlines from that briefing. Reporter sure, katy, as i juggle notes and notebooks. A couple headlines on the topics making news. Number one, health care. The secretary reaffirms the white house commitment to making sure that this bill gets through. Saying emphatically the president will sign this bill once it gets to his desk. The repeal and replace will happen. Also talking about he does think the president does think this movement is sort of working great, if you will, despite the fact that you do have not just conservative groups from the outside, not just skeptical republican lawmakers, but you have doctors groups, for example, medical associations, the aarp coming out in opposition to this as well. Im just ticking through my head a couple of other headlines. On Julian Assange we saw that News Conference earlier, two days after what could potentially be this bombshell breach, one of the biggest Intelligence Leaks if it is authenticated in modern history, although the cia has not authenticated this information. The press secretary saying in response to assanges comments that essentially as assange claims, the cia has lost control of its Cyber Security arsenal. Sean spicer says the president believes its cia Technology Needs to be updated. You also heard him talk about a little bit relating to the relationship between the president and some members of congress as it relates to health care as well, katy. Back to you. Hallie jackson mentioning the repeal of obamacare and the gop and House Health Care bill is also a big topic on the minds of everyone. Well talk about that further in this hour. First, i want to focus a little more on the Wikileaks Dump as well as news coming out about michael flynn. Lets go right to our panel on this. First off on wikileaks, this cache of information about cia techniques and what exactly they can do. Talk to me about the timing of this, david. Well, its interesting. Weve seen with wikileaks in the past and the russian hacking that its quite conceivable theyve held on to material for long periods of time, whether it was the dnc emails or the john Podesta Emails and waited until they thought there was a strategic reason in order to presumably help donald trump to release that information or to hurt Hillary Clinton as much as they could. So, have you to ask yourself if they had this information and theyve redacted, you know, some names on it, which they havent done in the past, meaning theyve had it for a while to process it, why did they do it this week . Is it because donald trump has put his foot into it again in terms of claiming president obama illegally wiretapped him, which is absurd and crazy and makes him look like a crazy man . They want to throw the subject and throw it back on the Intelligence Community . And, you know, take the attention away from Donald Trumps own mistakes. Is this the only thing they have . It believes the Intelligence Community believes the leak came from a disgruntled employee or someone inside. Not a foreign power, which would have more interest in using this stuff against the cia secretly than putting it out there. So, there seems to be a lot of politics to how and why this came out now. Lets listen to sean spicers answer on this question a few minutes ago. There is grave concern that the president has about the release of National Security and classified information that threatens and undermines our nations security. Obviously, he believes that the systems that the cia are outdated and need to be updated. He has compromised in the past and undermined our National Security. Ill leave it up to the department of justice to further comment on their disposition of him. Hes talking about Julian Assange there. We also mention this when we talk about this that donald trump on the campaign trail said he loves wikileaks. Obviously, he doesnt feel so friendly towards leaks now that hes the president , at least. With what is going on with assange, does the Republican Party and does well, the Republican Party. Does the president himself need to come out and say, this is not okay and were going to do everything in our power to make sure this sort of thing does not happen again . And wikileaks and Julian Assange are not helping the American Public regardless of what he chooses to leak at any time . Well, i can see President Trump coming out and condemning the leak, but i would be surprised, pleasantly surprised if he condemned Julian Assange and wikileaks role in this. Hes shown incredible loyalty as people he believes supporting him, soy dont necessarily see him coming out hard against wikileaks. In Julian Assanges remarks, he was stoking the president s suspicion about what he calls the deep state. And his mistrust of Intelligence Community already and trying to just, you know, provide donald trump with more fodder that there are a lot of people out there within the Intelligence Community who are out to get him. So, i think thats a big part of why the timing. And the question of whether, you know, donald trump throws out this accusation of wiretapping and says, i think president obama potentially was spying i think he was spying on me or know he was spying on me. The Intelligence Community refusing to back him up on that. The Republican Party going back and forth. Some saying we need an investigation, others say, show us the evidence you have. This would allow essentially trump to say, they did have all these capabilities and maybe they were doing it. Joel, you were affected by wikileaks during the campaign. So, give me your response. Look, one of the things we have to recognize is in the past these leaks have come from inside the cia. 2010 there was. The Chelsea Manning documents came from inside. These came from someoneinside, not disrupting the cia Cyber Securityystem. If youre the president of the United States, you have to get on the high ground and say, look, were going to take every step possible to make sure our intelligence agencies are as secure as they need to be for us to do the work we need to do in this world. I think you take it out of the world of politics. I think you try to get on the high ground because i think there isnt anybody in america who isnt concerned about the fact that the russians can meddle with our elections or potentially some actor can get into our cia computers and cause some disruption. Hans nichols at the pentagon. What are your conversations with those in the defense field and the intelligence field, what are you gleaning from them about this leak from wikileaks . Reporter its significant sean spicer didnt refute this idea, that the cyber arsenal has been taken and out there potentially in the hands of wikileaks. He didnt confirm it either. I think when you think of Cyber Capabilities, think of it as offense and defense. And most of what wikileaks did, theyre talking about defensive measures. Having your smart tv listened to, these kind of things. What assange was alleging is that they actually have something on the offensive side, which is to say Cyber Capabilities to, say, disable north korean rockets when theyre still on the launch pad or in iran a few years back. Both stories reported by the new york times. On the offensive side what assange is alleging is truly scary. The offensive capabilities of Cyber Command of the nsa, if they do, indeed, have that, if wikileaks does have that, as spicer said, thats of grave concern. One quick note on that. Whenever you heard the word grave from an official spoectionz person, thats code for war. The fact spicer used grave, and im assuming spicer has been brought up to speed on the importance of diplomatic language, whenever you hear grave, thats really the strongest language that you can use. Thats what mr. Spicer used from the podium today. Guys . Well, that happy note lets leave this topic for a moment and move over to the other major story of the day, which is health care. The House RepublicanHealth Care Bill passed and overnight it went throughout ways and means committee. David, back when obamacare was being worked on were accusing them of working in the dark and pushing this through, jamming it down peoples throats. Not only back then. Theyve been saying it the past two days. Sean spicer has been saying this repeatedly in his press briefings that obamacare was jammed down the throats, done in the dead of night and we never got to see the bill. We didnt know what was in it until it passed. All those things are outright lies. Obama had subcommittees and committees do full deliberations after it was scored by the Congressional Budget Office. He tried to work with Olympia Snowe and chuck grassley, republican senators to try to bring in republican concerns. It took about a year of deliberations before there was a vote. They locked it up in a room for a day or two. Rand paul went through the congress, wheres the bill . Like wheres the beef commercial. They pass it in two days without it being scored for anyone. For paul ryan, who claims to be a policy meister, this is a complete fraud. David set you up perfectly. How do they get this passed the house, the senate, and then someone like rand paul . I dont see how they get this passed. I think they set this up on a path to disaster here. The fact they did not score this budget, the Congressional Budget Office has not given an estimate of how much it is going to cost the country, and so theyre accountable, these republican congressmen and women are accountable to grassroots constituency whos really concerned about the deficit, and yet they want to sell these congressmen and women on voting for someone they dont know the cost of the score will also say how many people will lose insurance, which is a key point. The white house has already tried to discredit the score saying it wasnt accurate when it was score obamacare. Joel, he hasnt necessarily reached across the aisle to democrats. When i say he, i mean President Trump. And also Speaker Paul Ryan. Democrats dont seem to being consulted at the moment on this bill. Well, they have succeeded in unifying some very diverse groups on the health care issue. The doctors and the ama are against it, the hospital association, it is Insurance Companies, the aarp. All these groups have come out and said, this group will dom harm to people who need coverage. And i think thats going to compound the problem from rnz. Youve also got republicans like tom cotton coming out overnight saying, whoa, hit the pause button, to davids point about jamming this through. They have done nothing to get people behind this or, and i think as elise and david just touched on, and paul ryan did a whole whiteboard today. Two things missing, what is this going to cost taxpayers, what is this going to cost americans, and the third thing, how much people are going to lose coverage . You talk about medicaid as a remedy. Medicaid is a recipe for people walking Emergency Rooms which is the most costly thing in america. Kasie hunt, you get the last word. Paul ryan literally rolled up his sleeves today and gave a Powerpoint Presentation to try to convince his party, potentially try to convince his president. Was it effective . Reporter hey, katy, yeah, this is paul ryan in his element. Forgive us here, were talking about another subject. This is the Intelligence Committee where theyre heading into review materials in this russian investigation. Back to health care. Look, the speaker he was in his element today. This is what he likes to do. He does this at town hall meetings. He rolled up his sleeves and went through a Powerpoint Presentation. Really it was a sales pitch and the audience, it seems to me, many members of his own Republican Caucus in the house who, you know, apparently he wanted to say, look, this is all we can do under these reconciliation procedures. So, theyre really limited to a certain set of things substancerelated to the budget. They cant do anything thats not related to the budget and still get this passed in the senate with 50 votes. So, he was trying to explain that. He was also trying to argue that, look, this is our one shot at repealing and replacing this health care law. This is our one shot at doing what we promised in the campaign. If we dont do it now, well miss this opportunity entirely. I thought that was a significant stat acknowledgment, hey, if they screw this up there isnt necessarily a path to do this major thing. Theres also been some reporting on breitbart. They quoted senator rand paul saying the House Speaker is trying to pull the wool over the president s eyes. Of course, the president , we know, is a consumer of capabble news and likely seen or heard about the speakers kind of presentation today to reporters. So, i think that as we move forward, president tweeting today, look, contrary to reports in the press, my Health Care Bill is all in the fine and clear. The reality is, republicans are telling me privately, they doubt they can get to 50 votes in the senate on this bill as it stands right now. And, you know, if this is really their one and only shot, as speaker ryan says, im having trouble seeing how its going to move forward. And donald trump ending that tweet by saying health care will end in a beautiful picture. Kasie hunt with one of the other truthisms of this administration so far, which is no matter the news of the day, russia is always a topic as well. Thats why she is standing outside of that Intelligence Committee hearing. Kasie hunt on capitol hill, hans nichols, elise jordan, joel benenson, david korn, thank you for being with me on this thursday. Up next, damage control. The cia is scrambling to control the fallout from Julian Assanges explosive claims. How should the agency, i. E. , the cia respond . Well ask the author of how to catch a russian spy and double agent. Our microsoft pulse question of the day. Assange says cia has lost control of its entire Cyber Weapons arsenal. Should Tech Companies work with him to prevent hacking . Cast your vote at pulse. Msnbc. Com. Home, car, Life Insurance obviously, ohhh. But with added touches you cant get everywhere else, like claim free rewards. Or safe driving bonus checks. Oh yes. Even a claim satisfaction guaranteeeeeeeeeee in means Protection Plus unique extras only from an expert allstate agent. Its good to be in, good hands. Arsenal. What appears to be the largest arsenal of trojans and viruses in the world that attacks most of the systems that journalists, people in government, politicians, ceos and average people use, didnt secure it, last control of it. And then appears to have covered up that fact. That was Julian Assange making an explosive charge today against the cia, accusing the spy agency of historic incompetence. Assange speaking about wikileaks recent release of thousands of cia hacking methods. What do we do now and what questions remain . First, the biggest question, who do it . Was it a disgruntled Agency Employee . Could it be a contractor . Like an edward snowden. Or was it Russian Hackers once again meddling in u. S. Affairs . Two u. S. Intelligence officials tell nbc news they, right now, are the major focus, or option d, all of the above . What was leaked . The first batch was 8,000 documents of alleged cia hacking methods but wikileaks says only 1 of what they hacked was of that. Some of the information is classified as top secret. Lastly, what does it all mean . It showed terrorists and other adversaries how the cia does hack, meaning they could use the same methods against us. It also gave them a crash course in defending themselves against the cias only methods. I want to bring in msnbc contributor and former fbi double agent naveed jamali, also the author of the book h