Way to the hospital. As a nation looks for healing, criticism from both sides of the political aisle that the president s words push people further apart. Welcome, everybody. From msnbc World Headquarters here in new york, im also joined this hour as we try to make sense of the tragic events in charlottesville, virginia, with reverend al sharpton. Well look to your insight as we look at the fallout of what happened. But first back to seattle where nbcs Steve Patterson is on the ground. Steve, give us an update. Reporter counterprotesters Holding Strong in the face of a police line that has been holding for probably about the last 10 to 15 minutes now. The scene here is tense. Counterprotesters were clashing with police. They were trying to push past this line back to where Patriot Prayer is, that altright group set up that demonstrate here about an hour ago in a square, in a park. Theyve been holding in place probably about two blocks away from our location. But behind me you can see the police presence. You can see police in full riot gear, police with batons, police have at one point pushed this crowd back. Theyve had to disperse the crowd once i believe with an agent that would disperse the crowd. I believe that was teargas that we felt live on television as we were trying to sort of get inside the crowd. Counterprotesters are angry for one reason they want to get at those protrump supporters. They want to get at those White Nationalist supporters in that square and theyve been unable to. This march started about 1 30. Its been marching through the streets of seattle. At every point along the way its tried to turn to where those protrump supporters were, to where those White Nationalists were stationed. But along the way theyve been met with police in riot gear. Thats the reason for these clashes with both the counterprotesters and the police who have not moved a single inch, only pushing us back further this way. So again, there is a broad sense of frustration in the crowd. There is a broad sense of anger in the crowd because they want to draw either a confrontation or just to get their voices heard to where that other protest is. Theyve been unable to do that again at every point along the way. Thats where we are right now. We have heard there may be a dispersal order in just a few minutes here from police who may again once again push this crowd back and try to disperse the crowd that is gathered here. Its become a very volatile situation just with police and counterprotesters, without even the element of that far right group that is in the square about two blocks away from here. Were seeing some counterprotesters shaking hands of the police there an giving them a thumbs up. I guess in light of everything thats been happening it is kind of nice to see an image like that one. Steve, talk to us about the prep that this city took in preparing for today considering and also in light of events that took place in charlottesville, virginia. Reporter well, there was widespread prep well before charlottesville even occurred. Both of these both the protests from the White Nationalist group, Patriot Prayer, and the counterprotesters had scheduled both of their events well before the events of virginia. I think what happened yesterday is basically throw fuel on an everburning fire which is now burning very bright. So the city posture at the beginning with seattle is always to come out as a show of force. Theyve done very well in protests from previous years. Even when there have been conflicts. Theyve been able to hold the line generally with counterprotesters and with those sort of elements in the crowd that may be more negative, that may be looking for something beyond just getting their voice heard. And so thats what we see today, just a basic police posturing that is very strong, that represents in riot gear, and that appears to be pretty forceful if you try to push into them. So far weve seen at least one arrest in this crowd. I would imagine there have been a few more because of how sizable this crowd is, how loud they are, and how passionately they want to push through at this point. Steve, stand by for us. As i mentioned, joining me in this hour, the host of msnbcs politics nation, the reverend al sharpton. Youve been watching this. Considering what took place in charlottesville, now seeing this in seattle, give me your reaction so far. Well, i think that what is really disturbing is that youre seeing this kind of new boldness from white supremacist groups. I mean we are saying White Nationalists, but they are White Supremacists, and they say that. I think when you have in kind of tone where they are coming out this bold, one has to ask where is this coming from. And then when you see that a lot of those that as has been reported throughout the media, that are attending these white supremacist rallies are having make America Great hats on and are trump supporters. Why has not why havent we heard from him denouncing White Supremacy, telling people dont come if you come, dont wear my hats, im not part of this. So i heard you and christina talking about the scenes like ferguson and baltimore. I was in ferguson day one and you are right, but youre not seeing the tanks. Youre not seeing the militarization that we saw in ferguson. And, you had a president then who said that i may or may not agree with some of what the protesters are saying, but i denounce the violence himself. You have seen this president make some very nebulous statements, almost putting it equal on both sides, and has not addressed anyone that would be supportive of him. Why isnt the president saying that i am against White Supremacy, and if youre wearing my slogan, if you are using my name, i denounce it, and those that are with me slhould not engage in these kinds of demonstrations. Because lets remember, the antiprotesters are protesting an event. In ferguson and in baltimore, even though all of us were against the violence, they were protesting a police killing. Theres no killing here. Theres nobody that was that caused a spark here. This was a rally called about White Supremacy that ended up with one of those alleged supremacists killing somebody who was coming to a counterprotest saying that america should not be celebrating or protecting the statue of a supremacist, who was a general in an army to overthrow the government. Were going to continue to watch the situation in seattle as it continues to develop there. But i want to turn more to charlottesville and whats taken place there the last couple of days. Attorney Jeff Sessions saying we are going to launch a federal civil rights investigation into what took place in charlottesville, virginia. Is that enough . Is that going far enough . And then what . Well, i think that its i think sessions has said something that we havent even heard the president say. Is that enough . No. I think that we need to see a real aggressive move by the Justice Department to deal with the elements of this group that has clearly begun organizing around the country. When you see these seemingly organized way you had several cars involved in what ended up killing a young woman. I mean are we looking at really just some kind ever spontaneous outburst . Or why dont we say were seeing what we have not seen in a while, and thats organized domestic terrorism, if in fact this was organized. Thats what he ought to say, that were not only looking at hate crime but were looking at potential organized, intended domestic terrorism. Were going to investigate to see if thats the case. They need to say that so people who are lured into their marches and rallies understand this is as serious as it gets when you have a young lady dead and several seriously injured. What does an aggressive approach look like . You think of baltimore and ferguson and everything thats taken place the last couple days. What does an aggressive approach look like . You certainly saw, as i said, in ferguson, you saw tanks. You saw snipers on the roof. You saw all kinds of things. Im not advocating any of that. Im saying it shouldnt be a double standard. But im also saying that if i was a bigot and the attorney general was telling me im going to investigate whether this is terrorism, whether it is is organized, i would think twice before i go out to one of those rallies. There has been nothing from the president of the United States to discourage these bigots from not only attending because they have the First Amendment right but from identifying with me and associating me with this. And theyve clearly done this in everyone. In charlottesville and today in seattle. Yeah. Well talk more about the president s response as well. Reverend al sharpton sticking with me throughout the entire hour. Now i want to bring in msnbc political analyst and Washington Bureau chief for mother jones, david corn. Republican strategist brian darling. Kristin clark, president and executive director for the Lawyers Committee on civil rights. David, ill start with you. What is your reaction to the white house statement looking to deflect some of the criticism that the president received by his choice of words yesterday . Should it have come directly from the president . One thing we know about donald trump is that he shares his feelings with us. He attacks mitch mcconnell. He attacks the new york times. He attacks friends and foes whenever he feels strongly about something. And we can also see what he doesnt do. So the fact that he could not bring himself not for the first time to condemn White Nationalists and neonazis and the kkk is purposeful. It is not an accident. It is not an oversight. So then the white house comes out with a statement saying, of course whether he condemns violence, it includes violence perpetuated by the kkk, nazis and White Nationalists. He has never been shy before about telling us whats on his minds. So any statement that doesnt come directly from him, from his little tweeting fingers, really means nothing. Just him trying to provide some political cover for him. Republicans and democrats, almost any civilized person is outraged by the fact that he cannot bring himself to condemn White Nationalists. And there is a reason for that. I want to take a listen to the mayor of charlottesville reacting to President Trumps alliances. Then well talk. Old saying when you dance with the delvil, the devil cha s changes you. I think they made a choice in that campaign, a very regrettable one, to really go to peoples prejudices, to go to the gutter. I mean these influences around the country, these antisemite, racist, aryan, kkk, it is all on the president to say enough is enough. This movement has run its course. Brian, how does the white house deal with the altright allegiance Going Forward . First of all, i think were hearing a lot of trump derangement syndrome being espoused. Trump denounced bigotry. His daughter put out a tweet denouncing nazis and denouncing White Supremacy. The white house put out a statement. Senator cruz, senator rubio. All the republican senators that i can think of put out a statement but thats not enough. For some on the left if he doesnt utter certain words and hes in big trouble. I remember when the left was making fun of conservatives because they denounced president obama for not using the term islamic extremism. Im seeing the same thing. Im seeing the same thing from the left. So i think it is outrageous that some have made steve bannon, like called him basically called him a racist and said awful things about him and tried to say that hes inspired this violence somehow and that the Trump Administration has inspired this violence. I dont think thats true. I dont think it is true at all. I think these people are marginalized. I think they are on the extremes and i dont think that they have the support of the white house and i dont think that the white house i think it the white house looks at these people as something that should be maybe ignored. Maybe they dont want to give them the benefit of talking too much about this socalled altright, the nazis, the White Supremacists. I really think a lot of this is this is an awful situation in charlottesville and i dont think it defines us as a nation and i dont think it defines the Republican Party. For anybody to try to say that that defines the republican matter is espousing hate towards republicans. Brian, let me ask you this, because theres two points that i think were confusing. The Republican Party wasnt the only ones saying that president obama should say, by name, islamic terrorist. Donald trump said it. Over and over and over again. He set that bar that he is now not dealing with himself. But i dont recall you can refresh my memory if theres something lacking here. I dont recall islamic terrorists running around with change hats on saying obama for president. You have people at the rallies. If anyone is connecting directly trump to these rallies, its the supremacists at the rallies that hes not directly said how dare you do that. I remember when some of us in civil rights organizations and professor greer can aheft to this were in ferguson and baltimore and said we denounce the violence, even though we understand the anger. We were even attacked by some in the crowd. We made it clear where we were and where we were not. Directly. He lass not directly addressed that. And directly addressed the use of his name and slogan in these rallies. Well, if you looked at the white house statement today, it was pretty clear. I think ivanka trump was pretty clear. What happened to donald trump . Donald trump is the president. You know exactly what donald trump said, maybe you wait a day and hell say what you like tomorrow. Oh, maybe we should wait a day. Is president of t hes president of the United States if he cant take a lead position here to condemn violence and say violence on all sides is a copout, it is moral equivalency, you know that he is not being direct. There is a reason why hes not being direct. Have you been watching whats going on in seattle . Were seeing left wing violence, antifa protesters all dressed up with helmets on and weapons. Theyre ready to go to war and theyre beating up the police. And wearing Chuck Schumer tshirts guys, reverend al brings up a good point. He said at one point they could have said we denounce the violence but we understand where the anger is coming from. If President Trump had said that yesterday what would have been the reaction . You know, its not just the words and the tepid inadequate response of the president yesterday. Its his actions. In the first several months of this administration, we have seen the president and attorney general sessions take every action imaginable to marginalize africanamericans, lgbt groups, muslims, women. It is the words and the actions. And it is also steve bannon, a person who himself has said that he is providing a platform for the altright. It is his selection of steve bannon as a key advisor in the white house that has emboldened White Supremacists across our country. They know they have a friend in the white house. They know they have an attorney general who did not support the hate crimes prevention bill. And it is this toxic combination ever both racially charged rhetoric and actions that have made clear that minority communities dont have a place in our society right now that led to the tragic events yesterday in charlottesville. I think right now it is critical that this Justice Department approach seriously what happened yesterday. We need a rigorous investigation into james fields to figure out who was he acting with . Who financed his trip from ohio to virginia . Who gave him the idea of using his vehicle as a weapon to hurt innocent americans yesterday in charlottesville . Did he conspire with individuals . Are there other acts of domestic terrorism that we should be bracing for . Thats the critical place that we need this Justice Department and the president focusing right now. These are all questions that we have certainly and we all want answers to. But conversation also is about, is this from the top down. Is this about steve bannon. Is this about Stephen Miller. Is this about sebastian gorka, and is this about the response or lack thereof from President Trump. My panel along with reverend al sharpton staying with me. Well be right back, everybody. boy sorry. dad dont worry about it. mom honey, honey, honey, honey vo at our house, we need things that are built to last. Thats why we got a subaru. avo love. Its what makes a subaru, a subaru. Get 0 apr financing for 63 months on all new 2017 Subaru Legacy models. Now through august 31st. Ykeep you sidelined. Ng thats why you drink ensure. With 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. For the strength and energy to get back to doing. What you love. Ensure. 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