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North korea test. Also word that President Trump has spoken with japanese Prime Minister shinzo abe about the International Community stepping up its response. Its all while an emergency meeting of the u. N. Security Council Called for tomorrow morning, 10 00 a. M. Eastern, following pyongyangs actions. Lets bring in nbcs Garrett Haake who joins us once again from the white house. Latest were getting, is this missile test there isnt a lot of detail from the young hot news agency and what south korea is doing. Reporter yeah. South korea and japan have been driving the bus on the sort of kinetic response to this north Korean Nuclear test overnight. Weve been hearing more from south korea and japan frankly about their responses to this action than we have been from the white house today. It is important to remember kind of how we came into this event that started overnight. It was just last week that the president was saying all options were going to be on the table for north koreas most recent, prior to this, aggressive action. The firing of that missile over the japanese islands. And so that sort of had the table set coming in to today. We know the president has spoken with the japanese Prime Minister today. We know that the National Security advisor, h. R. Mcmaster, has spoken with his south korean counterpart today, and weve seen this sort of ratcheting up of the language and what appears to be the likelihood of some kind of military response throughout the day from the president , including his tweets this morning saying things like that the south Korean Response has been appeasement and it hasnt been working, not thafac that he held this meeting at the white house today primarily focused around military options. Secretary mattis said the president wanted to know all the options that were on the able, he was standing next to the joi chairman of the joint chiefs. There was also the dire warning from north korea to james mattis today. Any threat to the United States and its territories including guam or our allies will be met with a massive military response, a response both effective and overwhelming. Mattis also told the north koreans in that statement, essentially, that they are not u. S. Response here is not to pursue regime change. He left them an offramp, saying were not trying to wipe out this country, were trying to stop the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. So a lot of tough words from mattis. And of course, from the president today, saying only l well see when asked if he would attack north korea. Indeed every option on the table and it appears the president is reviewing quite closely those military options tonight. A busy sunday afternoon and evening there at the white house on a sunday, as i was mentioning. Nbcs Garrett Haake covering it all for us. Thanks very much. Now over to the Korean Peninsula where ron allen is in seoul, south korea. Ron who was covering this all overnight with us here on msnbc. Ron, what is the latest . Theres this discussion at least the report from the news agency about a south korean Ballistic Missile drill. Reporter it is a military exercise, a drill, a training, and it is a simulated attack on north Koreas Nuclear facilities. Thats the message that the south korea government is sending with this exercise. And this is apparently one of the military options that is being pursued. It is similar to a drill, an exercise that happened a couple of days ago involving the United States, japan and south korea where they flew mock bombing exercises that were said to be an exercise to take out an enemy regime. So theres been that happening over the past couple of days now, and this exer scise thats happening now that were just hearing about is in direct response to the north Korean Missile test. So those are the military things happening and all in the category of what you would call deterrence. There are very few people, experts and analysts in this part of the world, or anywhere, who think that there is an aggressive, an offensive military strike option that the United States or south korea has against north korea that would not be countered by a deadly cataclysmic response by the north koreans. Not in terms of a nuclear response, but in terms of a conventional weapons response. Remember the north has one of the largest standing armies anywhere in the world. The border thats some 50 miles from here is heavily fortified with artillery pieces that can reach into south korea and there are literally tens of millions of people in harms way. Thats why most analysts talk about the fact that the socalled military options are really not realistic options unless and every military leader in the world is well aware of the consequences of this. Thats why there have been a lot of calls today for restraint. There have been a lot of calls from around the world for dialogue and discussions to try and end this crisis and condemnation for the north koreans, of course, because of what they did. Richard . Nbcs ron allen live for us there in seoul, south korea, not too far there from the border with north korea. Thank you so much, ron, for your reporting there. Lets bring in steve clements, richard painter, robert trayham, gloria difrancesco. All four, thanks. Well start with you, steve. Nato, very clear in saying this is not good. They have absolutely rejected this report of a test and it seems like a test has happened. That much most would agree with. In addition to that, as we look at some of the responses that may come from north america specifically, the United States is what i am alluding to, this is a very complex mix of Foreign Affairs that theyre trying to put together in response to north korea. Richard, this has been a complex situation for many presidencies. It was the one item that president obama shared with incoming President Trump as being the nightmare he was going to have to wrestle through. And absolutely, north koreas technical sophistication and the ability to both miniaturize dangerous warheads and put them on intercontinental Ballistic Missiles is in part driving some of this. But the piece that just perplexes me, we are talking all throughout tv as jim mattis did today, about potential total annihilation perhaps of north korea, of war scenarios. I really like to know, where is the state department . Where is diplomacy . Where is the effort to tie in russia, china, south korea, japan, europe, the United Nations, in a joint effort to do what we did with iran, to cripple it in order to create such a point and give it some light at the end of a tunnel that it was pushed in a direction that would be constructive. That was the iran deal model that obama used. There are differences with north korea, as i interviewed some of Barack Obamas lead negotiators and particularly wendy sherman, she said even with a democrat we would get to a kind of warlike verge of war situation before north korea moved. But donald trump has not invested anything at all in the diplomatic process of trying to unite the frustration of the neighborhood against north korea. Its all oneonone and its just slipshot. Roberttraynam, as we look at the potential response coming from the United States, we heard the reporting, most would agree that a military response is not good and it will not happen because of the potential reaction that is a domino effect there in the asian theater. Nevertheless, when we were speaking with Barry Mccaffrey little bit earlier, he was pretty open in that maybe a military response would be one of the scenarios that theyre considering a little more seriously now. Yeah. General mccaffrey was very direct and he said, from what understood it to be, is military option is probably the only option right now. But let me speak to a larger point that i think steve was alluding to. Here you have a president that appears at least in public not to have the diplomacy experience and or the gravitas, and or, even quite frankly, just through deductive reasoning, trying to think this through like a game of chess. You also have rex tillerson, our secretary of state, whos fairly quiet on this issue. The question is becomes will cooler heads prevail. The question becomes whether allies, perhaps Angela Merkel or perhaps Prime Minister may will gret to t get to the president and say, look, mr. President , have you thought this through . Perhaps maybe you should dial down the rhetoric and perhaps behind the scenes let the staff kind of do more of the work here. What you are doing here is escalating this because you are not dealing with a rational person, meaning kim jongun. The question is whether the president will be able to have some restraint and dial back the rhetoric, or or perhaps is he crazy like a fox. Perhaps he is much more sophisticated than we think and maybe he knows exactly what hes doing when it comes to ratcheting up the rhetoric. I dont think so, but i want to give him the benefit of the doubt. President trump warned that the United States military is locked and loaded. Threatening fire and fury. His words there. Richard, what are the risks of drawing these lines in the sand and north korea keeps on crossing them . Well, i think if we do it unilaterally, were going to be in a lot of trouble here. This development is one more nail in the coffin of the Americafirst Movement and the economic nationalism of the altright, steve bannon, and the others. We are realizing, yet again, that the United States has to work with other countries in the world to solve problems, including the nuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. China has a lot of loeverage ovr north korea. China needs to understand if they are work with us, we will work with them. Were not there to launch a trade war with china. We want to work with them and with south korea and the other countries in the region to deal with the north korean regime. But if we per sue the americafirst route, we talk about trade wars with china, with south korea. We alienate people all over the world. Thats whats been going on since january. And that needs to stop. I think that the white house is realizing that the Americafirst Movement has been a disaster. That we need to engage with the rest of the world. We need more friends in the world. And thats not where we are right now. China, once again, critically important country. We need to be on the phone with klein and work with through with them so they understand and work with us. They understand the importance of bringing north korea to heel. Congressman, an important part of that discussion and potentially any treaties or understandings that may result or grievance that may result from this white house working with other leaders of other countries. Victoria, if it is congress, then theres democrats. And if theres democrats, they have been quite critical of the again fire and fury sorts of comments coming from the white house. Would they support though now the words that came from the secretary of defense that came out just about two and a half ours ago . Right. So ultimately here when we get to an issue as grave as this, as the potential for a conflict with north korea, you see the lines between democrat and republican start to ease away. Weve seen this historically. The question here is, what is the method that the president is going to use to engage with his colleagues in congress. Remember that the president has had problems with his colleagues in congress, with those folks in congress, not just among the democrats, but his own party. So here were going to have to see a strategy by the president , first how do i engage with congress, and second, how do i bring over maybe those democrats that are a little less likely to lean over to where i am in the fire and fury. So it is going to be a very delicate balance. I want to highlight what the other panelists said, bringing in the state department at the same time. So it is a twopronged approach, bringing in the legislative branch and also bringing the state department in to close call with that conversation. Steve, is this a bilateral solution or bilateral move, whatever is next, that the United States does need to move alone . I dont think i dont think United States can move effectively alone, but i think thats the way donald trump sees the situation, regrettably. And i think that hes been trying to sort of, here and there, give china or south korea the whole load and say, china is embarrassed by this, or chinas trying but not getting this done. And so hes set up the circumstances where theyre failing and were somehow going to proceed. But as i said earlier today, i think whats happened right now is that the differences we see within the administration you have jim mattis just the other day talking about there were no end of Diplomatic Options that still could yet be tried. And that was very different than what the president said. There are divisions within the white house, and i think north koreas testing this white house to see how far it can get moving its agenda forward. Not as a sign that it recognizes american strength in this but it senses american weakness and it senses that americas allies in the region dont trust the United States. That is a really huge problem. So as we begin to consider kinetic options of taking on north korea and look, were not talking jim mattis is talking about retaliatory strikes. What donald trump is considering, from what hes telegraphing, is a first strike. I think those are very, very different kinds of things. And that could really punctuate perhaps really the end of american influence and power in asia. Not the broadening and echo effects of a broader power in the region. A major realignment. Steve clemons, thank you so much. The rest of you will stay with us for a later segment. Thank you so much. President trump muls a major decision on what to do about daca. Many, including those in his own party, are urging him to keep the Dreamer Program into place. Up next, well talk to a Young Dreamer who will be directly affected by the president s decision. When i walked through a snowstorm for a cigarette, thats when i knew i had to quit. For real this time. Thats why im using nicorette. Only nicorette gum has patented dualcoated technology for great taste, plus intense craving relief. Every great why needs a great how. But their nutritional needs vremain instinctual. D, thats why theres purina one true instinct. Nutrientdense, proteinrich, real meat number one. 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She also wanted to join the military, but even a 4. 0 gpa not enough for her because of her undocumented status. She joins us now live from houston, along with us, back, victoria defranchesco from the university of texas. As we look at tuesday, right . In two days we expect the president to reveal his decision on whether to rescind the daca status for 800,000. But, in addition to that, potentially its been estimated there are another 1 million who could be eligible for daca status. Give us a sense of what that might mean. Right. So, working a lot with communities here in houston, we do go to local schools in hiz and we alwado have thoudsands o students currently who would be affected by the decision that the president makes. Another thing that were facing right now in houston and in south texas is harvey. And a lot of these Daca Recipients and family members are dependent on their income and their their support. So, yes, its a big effect in houston right now. What would it mean for you specifically . So today i was actually helping my boss. Her house flooded and i had a conversation with her about potentially by the end of tuesday next week, i would be turning in my Resignation Letter because i would be unable to work if trump makes a decision on tuesday to remove daca permanently. So being able to poi for rovide family is a big deal at home. Being able to pay for college. Right . Because undocumented students, unfortunately, do not get federal assistance, or do not qualify for loans, school loans. So being able to have a job provides me a greater opportunity and a higher level education. How important is the money you earn, ximena, to your family . Right. So we have a small family. Its my mother and i, and my dog. And im the main source of income at home. And even though it is a small household, im still paying for all the bills at home and im still providing for my college tuition. 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