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Texass governor says the price tag for cleaning up after Hurricane Harvey could top is 8 180 billion . Will that set up a battle on capitol hill . Lets start with the new warnings surrounding the Korean Peninsula where kim jong un claims to have successfully tested a hydrogen bomb, and there are signs that new tests could be coming soon. Its not clear if sundays Massive Underground explosion was the hydrogen bomb, but it was far larger than their previous test setting off a major earthquake in the process. Afterward north korea released pictures of the device suggesting it could fit on to a missile capable of striking the u. S. Mainland. So far theres no proof of that. Secretary of Defense James Mattis issued this warning on behalf of the United States, standing outside the west wing. Any threat to the United States or its territories, including guam or our allies, will be met with a massive military response. We are not looking to the total annihilation of a country, naemly north korea. But, as i said, we have many options to do so. The u. N. Security council will hold an emergency meeting today at 10 00 a. M. To discuss north koreas threat. Nbcs janice Halle Jackson in washington for us. Janice, let me start with you. What are you hearing about more tests that might be on the way . Well, not only are there the reverberations that you would expect from the nuclear test, but south korea is warning that north korea could be readying for another launch. Possibly an intercontinental ballistic missile. They say theres evidence that there are preparations underway. South korea has been preparing as well. As you mentioned, carrying out the live fire drills firing Ballistic Missiles simulating what they would say would be an attack that would wipe out the regime of kim jong un. Theyre also pushing ahead with that controversial Missile Defense system that china and russia are so opposed to. These situations always bring china into question. What can china do to try to reign in pyongyang . The truth is beijing doesnt have a lot of room to maneuver. Diplomatic relations between beijing and pyongyang are actually quite chilly. Theres no personal relationship between kim jong un and ping. Kim has repeatedly embarrassed the chinese president. Yesterdays bricks summit which was supposed to be xi zing ping. China could tut off Oil Shipments to north korea. It would effectively shut down the norths economy. The problem . Beijing does not want to trigger regime change. It could mean refugees flooding across the border. It could mean a reuniofied koren peninsula, which is something geopolitically that china zbt want within the region. At this point it seems that beijing, while it is condemning the latest test and it says its lodged a diplomatic protest with north korea, theres no suggestion its going to make these heavier moves. The other consequence could be regime change. Weve got nikki haley, who will be at the United Nations for the United States. We have seen the intensity of what we saw from the defense secretary yesterday. Where does it go from here . I think what you are going to see is essentially more tough talk when it comes to economic sanctions, chris, as well as what you hear about the military rhetoric, we could say. When you talk about secretary mattis coming out and even using the words total annihilation. Even though he said we dont want to do that and wanted to reassure them, but raising that in the first place. I think when you look at trade, that is the area where were going to go next. You saw treasury secretary Steven Mnuchin is drafting something. Tougher sanctions to cut off kim jong un. They have added that theyve become a rogue nation. Theyre trying to help with little success. Then crucially saying this. South korea is finding, as i have told them, that the talk of appeasement with north korea will not work. They only understand one thing, and then adding the u. S. Is considering in addition to other options, stopping all trade with any country doing business with north korea. Any country doing business with north korea. Let me break this down. It is unrealistic based on my conversations that i have had over the last 24 hours that the president would actually or could effectively make some sort of move that cuts off all trade with any nation that treats north korea, china obviously. What he could do, though, skps what he is weighing and considering is maybe withdrawing from a Free Trade Agreement with south korea. You can make that happen. The timeline is not clear. The timeline as far as we understand it is still a little bit up in the air for when he might make that move, which could essentially anger seoul, right . That would make seoul not very happy, but it is another option that the white house is considering. I think tougher economic sanctions is something that is going to be what might develop over the next week or so, and in addition to the diplomatic track that youll see innicy haley on today. Halle jackson, janice, thank you to both of you. Let me bring in he is Senior Member of the House Foreign Affairs committee. Good to see you all, though. Often we are speaking at difficult times like this. Our are economic sanctions the answer here . I think theyre multilateral. B weve got to make sure now like never before that were working with south korea. Not alienating them, and japan, and china and others world nations and the u. N. If were going to do economic sanctions in order for them to work, it has to be a multilateral fight. Similarly, as we did with reference to iran dwsh. We havent seen economic sanctions change the behavior at all of kim jong un. If anything, he has escalated. If anything, western experts, including our own, seem to be surprised by the pace of the program. They were not expecting it to go this far if, indeed, this is where it is, and we dont know exactly what were looking at here. Its gone a lot faster than most people thought it would. Do economic sanctions put pressure on kim jong un, auto are do they merely hurt even more people who are already facing Food Shortages and facing Economic Hardship in the general population. Im not at the position that i heard former secretary perry say right now. If he wants to be treated as an equal Nuclear Power, you cannot compare Prime Minister modi can kim jong un. The difference is so dramatic between countries and this. Im not saying that you do treat them equally. What i am saying is that based upon the test that we see, the reality that it tells me is that theyre going to have or they already have a Nuclear Power. What are our options . Our options are either to do something, a strike ourselves, and what takes place then, you know, and whats that devastation . Is that a real option . Or how to contain them and to make sure that were working with other nations. What then is their focus with reference to negotiation. We know china doesnt want instability in the area because that would cause hundreds of thousands of north koreans running over to china, and so the question of destabilization of north korea is a problem for china. The question is now how and what do we negotiate . I think thats whats crucial, and that we do it in a multilateral way, and so if economic sanctions are going to be what we utilize, it clearly cannot be just the United States saying were going to have economic sakes against north korea and or turn against south korea and saying were going to end our trade agreement with south korea because the north would really like the United States not to be there at all, and that they can control and have whatever dealings they want with south korea and i dont think thats the outcome that we want. Before you go, i want to ask you about daca, because the president expected to make an announcement tomorrow that affects hundreds of thousands of the socalled dreamers. Many of chom are in college, many of whom hold jobs. What will happen to the 800,000 undocumented young people . I am extremely worried about this president making an irrationale decision because now you take away their legal protections, and then you sent the immigration authorities after them to try to deport them from the United States of america. The only country that theyve known into areas and places where they have no connection. Its not the right thing to do. Its not the right message for the United States of america. Its not the moral thing to do, and it would be devastating to individuals who see themselves as american citizens who see themselves where all they want to do is work here and contribute to our society. It would be devastating. I hope, you know, although im concerned because this president seems to be hell bent on just doing anything that president obama put in, but you hear some democrats and, i mean, all democrats and some republicans now saying that it would be the wrong thing. I hope that speaker ryan really steps up. I know he put out a statement earlier that it would be a mistake, but he really needs to step up and not be afraid of this president and let him know that it would be the wrong thing to do to end daca. Just two of the things on your plate when you head back to washington tomorrow. Congressman, thank you for coming in. I want to go back to north korea and bring in joel ruben, former. Take me inside the Decision Making process. You have been there. It was so sobering to see the defense secretary standing outside the white house warning of a massive military response. Are we at a point where some sort of military action may be coming inevitable . Good morning, chris. It does seem like were on a pathway towards military action. This is a war that were not prepared for, that the American People dont want, and that is not even authorized by congress if we go in this direction. The military threats are damaging. Theyre counter productive. Weve seen now evidence based an evidencebased review of the last six months has shown that bellicose rhetoric is not getting us the results that we need on north korea. So weve got an emergency meeting at the u. N. Today. Less than two hours from now. What are the possibilities there . Certainly theres going to be condemnation, and there should be a condemnation. North korea detonating what some analysts are saying is the largest explosion underground explosion in the last four decades. That is a problem, and that needs to be called out. The congressman just mentioned a multilateral approach need. We have a military option. The less likely it is that were going to get the kind of multilateral action that we need for the economic pressure that has to be placed on north korea to change its behavior. Again, the dim low mattic option is not being delved into enough. There are real opportunities they need to explore. We negotiated with them on reducing those missiles. We need to be investing more in our diplomacy. A lot of people say that. This has befulgdsed administration after administration. Kim jong un is even more aggressive than his father has been. Take a look at this. The comparison between him and his father. Kim jong ill carried out 16 tests in 17 years. His son has carried out 84 tests and 18 just since donald trump was sworn in. The world worries. The u. N. Security council is about to meet. He seems to take delight with every step of the process. There are pictures of him. There it is. And his staff. Look at the way theyre smiling. Seem to be laughing about whats going on there. I mean, to know whether or not diplomacy has any chance, dont we have to know what kim jong n uns goal is here, what he is thinking, and the fact is our intelligence is as weak there as anywhere in the world. Youre right, chris. In a sense that the wrapping has come often of the package. Right now theres no policy towards north korea, and for much of the last 15 years when the Bush Administration pulled out of the agreed framework with north korea, largely because of violations of north korea as well, but when the u. S. Pulled out of that, weve had a policy for 15 years that its not generated results. Diplomacy is also about understanding your adversary. Its about getting in the room. Its about working at more aggressively to figure out what those limits are. We dont know what those limits are. We havent tested them enough yet diplomatically. Thats what was done on the Iran Nuclear Deal several years ago when we diplomatically engaged, when we had back channels, and it got us to the point where we have now a sustained deal on iran thats working, thats preventing a new Nuclear Power from emerging. We are anticipating President Trumps decision on the future of daca. What would lie ahead for the hundreds of thousands of dreamers if he ends that program . Boost. Its about moving forward, not back. Its looking up, not down. Its being in motion. In body, in spirit, in the now. Boost® high protein its intelligent nutrition with 15 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. For when you need a little extra. Boost® the number one high protein complete nutritional drink. Be up for it its time for the biggest sale of the year with the new sleep number 360 smart bed. It senses your every move and automatically adjusts on both sides to keep you effortlessly comfortable. And snoring. Does your bed do that . The new 360 smart bed is part of our biggest sale of the year where all beds are on sale. And right now save 50 on the labor Day Limited Edition bed, plus 36 month financing. Ends monday the future of nearly 800,000 young undocumented immigrants in this country is now in question. Politico reports that President Trump has decided to end the deferred action for Childhood Arrivals Program known as daca. President trump could announce that decision to end the Obama Era Program tomorrow. It provides protection to those undocumented immigrants who are brought into the country as children. Lets bring in elliana johnson, reporter at politico. She wrote that story. Paul reyes, an attorney and nbc news its labor day. So sorry. Ive only known you for 20 years. Oh, its 8 00. Thank you so much. He is here as well. Elliana, let me start with you while i recover from that faux pas. You report that the president will delay the cancel las vegas for six months to give congress a chance to legislate a solution. For those hundreds of thousands of dreamers, for their family, for their friends, what is the real world impact of bhaets going on right now . Its not totally clear yet. The president is set to announce tomorrow that he is rolling back the program, but giving six months to act. Its a view of the administration that the executive its not the role of the executive branch to write immigration law, which is what president obama did in june of 2012 when he rolled out this executive action, so theyre passing the buck to congress and giving them six months to write a law that protects these 800,000 young undocumented immigrants. I think whats unclear right now is what happens if congress doesnt do anything. It will be tremendously challenging for House Speaker paul ryan who said he didnt want the president to roll back this provision to get to pass a law through his caucus in the house and to get this passed through the senate. And feeling some genuine empathy for these young people. So you have on the republican side a number of people. The congresswoman tweeted about it. You certainly have pressure from the business community. Especially the folks in Silicon Valley. First of all, bottom line, if donald trump wanted this decision, wanted to keep daca in place, he could tell Jeff Sessions, who serves as his who serves at his pleasure, you will defend it. Deal with it or i will get a new attorney general. Thats bottom line number one. Number two, the under pinnings of daca, the legal underpinnings are very strong. Grounded including u. S. V. Arizona. In the u. S. Cis regulations, thats statutory law. It provides that the department of the Homeland Security has the ability to set immigration policy and priorities. We cannot overstate the terror, the ang zpliet, the absolute anguish these kwung people are going through because not only is it about potentially to end, but what we dont know in this picture is, say daca does end in six months. What about the people whose daca expires before then . Will they be deported before that deadline, or do they wait until the sixmonth period . At that sixmonth deadline, if congress has not reached a solution, does that mean the program ends for everyone, or will it end on a rolling basis depending when they receive their grant of daca . Those are serious questions for people who turned over their personal information, they are address, where they live, where they work to the government. I have to convince them that what im saying is right. The daca situation is a very, very its a very difficult thing for me. Its the threat of a legal case thats put time pressure on the administration to come up with the decision, and its true, as you said, in the video clip that you played that the president has sent wildly divergent signals on what he wants to do on this, and i think thats because he himself is genuinely conflicted about it. Whats unclear is as raul said, what exactly will happen in this sixmonth interim period . Whether the administration will continue to issue daca permits for those people whose permits expire during this period, and what will happen at the end of the sixmonth period if congress doesnt act in that sixmonth period. 65 pursued Educational Opportunities after daca. Of those in zool, 72 are pursuing either a bachelors de

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