I said that i thought the story the womens story was more credible than his response, alabama voters deserved a better choice. What is better for senate rops, if roy moore wins or a democrat wins . What is better for Senate Republicans and the American People is that we focus on the work ahead of us. Can you work with roy moore if he gets elected . She be investigated, will you vote to expel . First of all, my hope is that we wont get to that point and that the voters of alabama will not elect roy moore. Ive read his denials. Ive listened to his radio interview. And i did not find him to be credible. The roy moore scandal continues to dominate the conversation. Alabamas three largest newspaper sharing a front passengpage editorial urging voters to show themselves to be people of principle and vote for what they call the only dits left fferen worthy of representing alabama. And a colleague of an accuser recalling a conversation of more than a decade ago. She interrupted the conversation by saying he had molested her when she was either a young teen or when she was 14. Its been a long time, so i cant remember the exact conversation. But she was deadly serious and after she finished, the room was quiet. And i believed her. Lets get into this. Joining me now, myra rodriguez, ken vogel, and kim better thanly atkins. Curtis lee. Reporting from the ground there, give me an update as to what you have been seeing so far. Voters are divided between moore and jones. You saw the editorial on the front page of those papers. There were folks out at Church Services today. And you hear opinions from both sides. On the one hachnd, they say tha they will vote for roy moore, that its important to maintain the republican control of the senate, they see this as a vote for something that they call the Bigger Picture here on issues like budget and the debt and Border Control and bore ader security. On the other hand, you have people who say based on these allegations from nine women, these people say the allegations are quite disturbing, we cant find it within ourselves to vote for him. Now, there have been a couple polls done on this senate race here in alabama, one of the are more recent ones was from fox news and they found that jones was leading moore by eight points. But when you look at sort of the average of these polls, from real clear politics, that shrinks down to two tenths of a point. So that tells you voters are guided. It depends of course how much you trust polls and whether people are being truthful when they are polled. So in the end, we have a long three plus weeks to go here before election day on december 12 before we really know how people feel in this election. And youre wondering if there is a change of tide considering the headlines this morning. Ken, ill go to you on this one. How significant is this new development with this former colleague of Leigh Corfman recalling a conversation from a decade or so ago . It certainly adds to the credibility of these accusers at large, not just that one who in many ways is the most levied the most damaging accusation because she alleges that she was 14 at the time that this sexual advance and activity took place. That said, i dont know how many more bolstering you need. These women are on the record, there are now nine of them. Its pretty difficult to refute or find ways to continue to cling to this if true explanation that you heard a lot of republicans seizing on initially oof ter tafter the st out. You hear that a lot less. Were now basically dug into two camps where folks are saying it is true and i do believe the accusers and others saying i dont believe the accusers at all, there is not a whole lot more if true sort of argument being made. And that is because you have corroborating evidence like this former coworker who just came out. And you wouldnt necessarily say that that former coworker has any incentive to come out only to corroborate his former coworkers story. I want to take a little bit of a listen more to winton. Lets hear it. She wanted to confront him will, she was afraid. And she didnt. But she was definitely upset about it. We all knew she was upset. So the rant ended and everyone was quiet. Kimberly, the astounding thing to me is that it seems as if people knew about roy moores behavior from the getgo. Again, not to sort of beat a dead horse here, but this was a guy who was banned from a mall. And its hard to be banned from a mall. They knew about his behavior over and over again. And yet they continued to support him. Its astounding to me. And i think that explains in one way why we have seen him not suffer in terms of fund raising, not suffer in terms of support he is receiving including from several prominent alabama officials who have known him for a long time, studented hupporte the beginning. You have to believe some of thieves people heard some of these rumors that circulated for decades, but still their rationale is he is the vote that they want in the senate, casting important votes. Remember that the senate only has two member majority for the republicans. And losing one to them is a big political blow. So i think a lot of people are making a political calculation here with bills that they want to pass, the potential of maybe another vacancy on the Supreme Court having a republican in that senate seat and sort of trying to look past some of these allegations as horrific as they are. So lets talk about the white houses response to all of this. Considering all the accusers that have come out against al franken lets say, the white house he questioning moores accusers, but not questioning frankens accusers. President trump specifically coming forward against al franken and yet not coming forward specifically against roy moore. In fact were saying lets leave it up to the voters. Its interesting to see the president very silent on roy moore. And not stepping forward. Hes only had his press secretary make comments about it, the president has not taken to twitter as he usually does in these instances to speak out. But then moments i mean it was hours after the revelations about senator franken accusations came out on that the president took to twitter and made some strong comments about senator franken, obviously a democrat who is faced with Sexual Assault allegations. And it is interesting to see if in these weeks ahead the president will come out and forcefully denounce roy moore as other republicans have on the National Ticket or nationally. Ken, do you think this is about trump himself or do you think this is about bannon . There is certainly an elements of bannon pushing for candidates who he sees as carrying the trump mantle, but i think this is so much bigger than either trump or bannon. The overriding issue in this race is whether you believe these victims or these alleged victims who have come forward and told very specific tales about what roy moore did to them, granted 30 years ago, whatever, still that is the issue here. And its really part of a bigger National Debate that wire having about whether you believe victims and whether you want to encourage victims to come forward and then believer them and then make changes to our institutions that discourage the type of behavior that they are alleging or whether you will continue to cast doubt on their stories, which lets face it is the reason why so many of these stories come out years and years later, but were now potentially at a point where weve sort of crossed a precipice and there will be more accusations in real time. That said if this alabama special election goes the other way and roy moore wins, maybe that will also say something, that will be a referendum as well and it will be sort of the conclusion that many people will take away from it as it was put in those very poignant editorials on the three alabama papers today, that if roy moore wins, it will be saying to victims of Sexual Assault or Sexual Misconduct we dont believe you. And i think that is the way that this election is being viewed. Certainly nationally, maybe not in alabama quite as much. And i want to talk about what nbc news is reporting that there has been sort of a fund raising wi windfall for dust jones along with roy moore. And there has been. Roy moore apparently has raised about half a million in the three days after the scandal first broke, and then of course on the other side, doug jones has also seen a swell of fund raising. Apparently telling nbc news some sources that he has raised about a quarter of a Million Dollars a day since the scandal broke. So just goes to show that there is a lot of interest not just in alabama, but across the nation in the outcome of this race because again, its a race where so many things are at stake as other Panel Members have noted. And it shows the extreme split that exists in that state. Certainly a huge day for the editorial boards to come out so strongly against roy moore for sure. Thank you all. 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The communists used to refer to individuals who were unwittingly supporting their cause as useful idiots. And its interesting that Rob Goldstone refers to himself that way. I think in this case, yeah, he was asked to write an email, he embellished on his own to entice the Trump Campaign to appear. But when you look at it, it was and on oligarch who asked him do it and it gets back to the point weve made before that this was a kremlininspired influence operation that goes directly fr from moscow to those who attended the meeting in june 2016. So how does that conversation go, the kremlin down to goldstone . Is it an actual conversation that comes from someone like putin like get in touch with this guy and make sure that he sets up a meeting . The way i would envision this based on my experience of having served five years in moscow and tracked soviet and Russian Operations is that goldstone would have been considered a cutout and again this was all discoverable, an email that he sent is discoverable, so the kremlin would have asked her father first to try to arrange this. And each of those russians who attended the june 2016 meeting at trump tower were all connected one way or another with the kremlin. And so i think it was absolutely a kremlininspired operation. If goldstone is speaking with mueller, how could this affect the investigation . Well, if youre robert mueller, you want to get to the truth here. You probably see rob gold stone not sch asmuch as a punitive defendant, but a witness. So there are many he questions to ask, what happened at the meeting, all of the things leading up to planning the meeting and anything that happened after the meeting. Of course one goal to see if there isany but also learning the trade craft. So i think that i would think interviewing Rob Goldstone would be a high priority for robert mueller. I want to take a listen to luke harding, a journalist and author. He was interviewed earlier by a colleague of mine. Take a listen. You say that researches led you to ask whether or not moscow was blackmailing President Trump. What made you suspicious of that . Its in plain sight when you have drud on the campaign trail saying russia, if youre listening, find the 30,000 emails. But you also have a long history of engagement. Trump first visited moscow in 2007 and who invited him . The soviet government. And who organized his travel . A soviet agency which is basically the kgb. In other words, we can say without exaggerating that the kgb has a huge file on donald trump nep a trump. They are interested in explo exploiting his psychological weaknesses. What is your reaction and would you go so far as to use the word blackmail . I think i agree that the kgb and then the Russian Security police would have had a file on President Trump. And those who worked with him. I think its a great leap to make some conclusion that there was collusion involved. We havent seen any evidence of that. But for sure the russians sought in this case to use President Trumps interaction with russians include flag 2013 mis universe pageant to trite to create some image of engagement between the Trump Campaign and the russians to soil our democratic process i think for sure that is what they were trying to do. And it was natural for Rob Goldstone to be that link and again entice the Trump Campaign to show up in june at trump tower for the meeting. Lets talk now about the development with tortian. Hes an alleged mobster and also a close friend of putin. Right, he is. And hard to get inside that circle. Yeah, hes also very active with the nra, he was a member of the upper house of parliament in russia and had dealings with the Russian Security police, fsb. This is a case of the russians using oddly enough their soft power which is americans interests in guns. And using that to develop contacts, make contacts with people ostensibly out of a joint mutual interest in shooting weapons, but in fact sometimes there is something behind that which leads to an intelligence operation. So Jared Kushner was emailed from alexander tortian, was asked to have an official to attend the event. These emails were not disclosed from Jared Kushner. How much trouble couldfeezly be in . It is a crime to engage in obstruction. So if he did it willfully and he failed to turn them over, that could be a crime in itself. But i also think it shows something deeper which is he is just not anktsi iacting like so who is interest by saying this warrant within the scope of what you asked for. If you truly have nothing to hide and you truly want to helped u. S. Government understand the full scope of russian interference with the election, you turnover everything arguably within the scope. And to parse the language so carefully and turnover only that which you you absolutely have to turn over suggests someone with something to hide. And daniel, is this pro forma for the kremlin to reach out using people that have top connections like putin to reach out to the u. S. Administration asking for meetings like this one . Sure, they would use this sort of a cutout to develop a relationship. And i would just say that the celle lynn has the full story and when i was at the cia, one of the great concerns we had is ifs Foreign Intelligence Service knows something that we dont about one of our own people, that a bit disconcerting. So hopefully well get to the facts and see where they lead us. All right. Thank you to you both. 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