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MSNBCW MSNBC Live July 28, 2019

The wearebaltimore began trending on twitter yesterday and House Speaker and other democrats were quick to support their democratic colleague. My mother used to say its a shame when a person is ignorant and they dont recognize that they are ignorant. He has done nothing but proven that he is exactly a racist. I know that Elijah Cummings understands that, you know, his grace, his dignity, his ability to be an effective oversight chairman is exactly why trump is attacking him, because hes too effective and trump is just so ineffective. The mayor of baltimore also stepping forward to defend his city. You provide through the seventh congressal district, see all the developments we had done and were still working to rebuild some of the areas that need to help the most. Were not going to ignore anyone no one. [ inallable question ] i dont consider it fueling the fire. I look at it as defending baltimore city, the city where i live. Congressman cummings responding, saying he has a moral duty to fight for his constituents. Here are some of them. The president then is really not being the man that hes supposed to be. The things he said about baltimore, about the rats and everything, if he feel that concerned about it, why dont he do anything about it . Definitely not no bad community. It aint no support. The president probably never been to maryland. He probably never seen it. He probably dont know for himself. So he only speaking on knowledge from what he getting from everybody else. Got to come here and see it. Come through and get the people, get the community together. Thats not being done. Former First Lady Michelle Obama tweeting yesterday as well, showing a video with a baltimore step team she saw perform back in 2017. Michelle obama, someone is cruel, acts like a bully, you dont stoop to that level. Our motto is. When they go low, we go high. Raise our standards to the sky. Lets head to the white house now and nbcs mike va kara. The president not backing down this morning despite the backlash. Not at all, hes tripping down and up early tweeting today. But into the night last night, carrying on this theme despite the criticism from many quarters that he is, in fact, a racist and using racial divisions within this country for political gain heading into 2020. Lets start you off with a taste of something he tweeted last night after this controversy had already been ignited. Elijah cummings spends all of his time trying to hurt innocent people through, quote unquote, oversight. He does nothing for his very poor, very dangerous, and very badly run district. Take a look, blacksfortrump 2020. Then the president linking to that video. Now here is the back story here. Elijah cummings, as the president eluded to, runs the House Oversight committee. And he had a hearing with a dhs acting secretary kevin mccleanen back on july 18th about 10 days ago where he really got into it. Mccleanen got into it with mccleanen about conditions on the border where immigrant, Migrant Children are being held in whats largely described as dirty and filthy conditions. Well, the president took issue with that, one of his supporters in baltimore went into cummings district and took some video of selected properties that were very badly dishevelled, trash strewn some residents getting water from a fire hydrant that aired yesterday morning very early on fox news. The president saw it evidently. Started tweeting and that ignited this controversy and the president kicking it off now despite criticism from nancy pelosi. As we saw, every single democratic president ial contender, as well as many people on the republican side of the aisle, at least on twitter, criticizing the president. The president yesterday only taking a break as he often does on the weekend going to his golf course in northern virginia. We dont know what hes doing today, but hes already up and tweeting. Jo . Mike, staying on top of everything at the white house and all those tweets. Joining me now is julian and daniel. Good morning, guys. Good morning. Daniel, the president s tweets comes days after the House Oversight Committee Subpoena the Top White House aides including trumps daughter ivanka and Jared Kushner, her husband. What is the corallation here, is there any . Well, i think if you look at what trump tweets, he often uses fox as kind of his guide to what he should put on his twitter account. But hes clearly concerned that cummings is going after his family and so he wants to protect his family. But look at his attacks on the squad where he says, these people are criticizing america, yet he repeatedly criticizes the own congressional districts that Jared Kushner has 15 apartment complexes that are that have been slammed by their residents as not having proper conditions. So does he gain anything by going after cummings in this way, daniel . I think the only thing that he gains is that it fuels his supporters. They have presented polling to trump from the campaign that says the more he attacks these congressmen and shows that he is not letting down, that it will rally his base. So this is clearly a base strategy, but for moderate voters and independents, suburban women, i dont think that this is what they want for a second term. They might have hated hillary, but they dont want to exactly showed, you know sh they dont have to have a president who is widely seen as a racist. Julia, on that point, David Axelrod has been tweeting about this, in real donald trump loses in 2020, this will be why. Every single day he subjects the country he was elected to lead to a stream of ugly, divisive bombasts. Do yaw agree with that assessment . Are people keeping up with all of this and will it affect the way they vote in a year and change . Well, its really too early to tell right now because we are over a year out from the election, but i think to daniels point, a lot of independents and moderates are getting frustrated with the president and this rhetoric. I think a lot of republicans are as well because the president has a growing economy under his administration. I think any other president , any other republican president , would be repeatedly touting that and really underlining that going into a president ial election. But clearly in at least trumps mind hes trying to keep his base in mind instead of getting the moderate swing voters that he really needs to win in 2020. Its clear hes feeding off of the energy hes getting from his base and going after Elijah Cummings district or the four progressive women of Color Congress led by cortez last week. There really does seem to be a pattern here. Hes going after democrats, people of color. Its not a good look for him going into 2020 and democrats will definitely hone in on that. But i think youre seeing a lot of the president s advisers going into the campaign saying this could play well for the president s base. You know, if they keep on hearing this message of if you support the president , then youre a racist, thats only going to fire them up, but i dont know if thats exactly the right calculus when going after swing, moderates and independents. I want to go back to economic argument. I think about this a lot covering the economy, and i wonder is there a possibility that the president is holding on to that economic card, the Strong Economy, the booming economy, and is he going to use it later after all of this other stuff that hes focussing on, julia . You know, its hard to tell. I think President Trump whatever is being aired on fox news, for example, really does dictate what hes tweeting about during the day or whats his most whats the topic hes interested in for that day. But you know, he could be and he does still out the the economy from time to time. But he goes he out thes it in addition to going after, you know, congresswomen of color, his political components and what people would see as nasty, divisive way. Hes still going to continue to out the the economy, but i think a lot of republicans look at this and say hes not focussing enough on this, but i think his calculus going after people like a. O. C. Or Elijah Cummings is in a way an economic argument. The republican strategy across the board right now whether its house republicans, Senate Republicans or President Trump is, you know, painting democrats as radical socialists, if you will. And that, itself, is an economic argument. But baltimore is very much part of america and the Baltimore Sun reacting to this with a very stronglywritten editorial. The headline is better to have a few rats than to be one. Daniel, when people are reading this and then have this in context with what the president has tweeted what are they to think here . Yeah. If you look at the demographics of Elijah Cummings district, you have average income of 60,000 people people of 6,000. You have people who have a higher rate of College Degrees and so this is not this ratinfested district that trump describes. He probably hasnt even been to the district. He wouldnt know. And so, i think the reality of what cummings represents clashes with what trump describes. And i think there is going to be a longterm effect to trumps tweets where, you know, hes setting the tone early and hes going against these congress people. While theyre the target now, whoever his opponent will be in the general election, that might be harder to make that argument if they are a more moderate person like Kamala Harris and its harder to attack her on some of these soishls scores. Julia, what do you think quickly . Ill give you the last word here. Yeah. The terms of going after those more so moderate voters, this definitely doesnt help the president. And i think this probably i would say plays more into the hands of democrats at this point. I think someone like Kamala Harris, to daniels point, will take this and run with it and say, see, this is what hes doing. This is the rhetoric hes putting forth in the country. Well be watching as they all take the debate stage in just a few days. Thanks, guys. Thanks, jo. 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They originally were out there protesting an extradition bill in its relationship with mainland china. Now that has gone on to evolve to be prodemocracy, proreform movement. And were watching, as you see umbrellas, take to the streets there in hong kong. Umbrellas are actually a popular way of protesting in mainland china. Its something we saw around the anniversary of Tiananmen Square and you can see its happening there also in hong kong. You can also see folks wearing helmets and vests. Thats the police. There has been a back and forth between mostly Peaceful Protesters and the police. And that is part of the protests right now in hong kong. And its continuing to spread throughout the city. But you got thousands of people there protesting, calling for reform, calling for a different relationship with the police. This was all rooted originally in an extradition bill that was proposed to extradite suspects to mainland china. So were going to continue monitoring that. Were also going to take a look at politics and President Trump just as recently as april he claimed that mexico would be paying for his proposed border wall. But in a new filing on friday the Supreme Court lifting a lower court order by a 54 vote. The decision allows the administration to redirect 2. 5 billion in pentagon funds to construct part of a wall along the southern border. Well, u. S. Funds are being used, the president now says the expense will, quote, be fully reimbursed over time by other countries. Joining me now to discuss this is msnbc legal contributor katie sang. Good morning again. Good morning. How do you interpret this 54 decision . I was laughing frankly, jo. Who is reimbursing us . I havent seen mexico pay the tab for this. Im not sure who is going to reimburse the united states. The 54 decision is very, very interesting because it was a clear split down what we call conservative justices versus liberal justices. Whats amazing is it was a one paragraph ruling from the Supreme Court of the united states. It was unsigned. What does that mean . Normally we see voluminous pages of decisions and usually theres an author. We know exactly who penned the opinion. But in this case it was a one paragraph unsigned opinion and it was limited to a technical procedural issue whether or not the funding could move forward to be able to build the border wall versus what a federal judge decided which was, no, no you cannot move forward with it. So, remember, trump wanted 5. 7 billion, jo, Congress Gave them 1. 4. Now hes basically misappropriating according to the lawsuit billions of dollars to the tune of 2. 5 to be able to fund a border wall and is taken the money from department of defense funds that are been earmarked. The constitutional question that should end up later on is the following, whether donald trump is now basically abusing executive powers because congress has the power of the purse. Congress gets to basically decide where funds go and trump has said, no, i declare a National Emergency so im going to tell you where you get to spend your money . Katie, what happens next here . Are we going to see some building, i know that youre able to now the contracts and negotiations can move forward, but what happens next in terms of the land and the wall physically . So thats a great question, jo. So youre right. Contracts and negotiations must conclude by the end of september to be able to move forward with vendors to build this border wall, but that does not mean that the litigation fight stops with exactly this case and other cases because, jo, in order to be able to build this border wall, you have to do it on what is also held as private property. You cannot just come in and just Start Building it if youre the federal government. There is a long litigation that does become associated with that. You can assert your private Property Rights if youre a private property owner. Then theres this whole concept of Eminent Domain which is this legal idea if youre going to take something from me that belongs to me then you have to fairly compensate me for it. Were talking a lot of land on the southern border of the united states. So this challenge will continue in the judicial system. This is not the only battle that determines whether donald trump can build his border wall. Just to sum this up here as we watch the campaign trail and candidates respond to this decision, where do you think the president will be come next summer ahead of 2020 and the general election on the border wall given that we know there are still some legal obstacles to be overcome here . Well, we know that he actually hasnt commenced really building this border wall. Seeing how theres still all this reoccurring litigation that comes up and tells him that he cant be doing it. I think he will have made some progress but certainly not having fully constructed it, but the legal process, wheels of justice, they move very slowly and painfully sometimes. That could be good for people who are opponents of the border wall, but it also does show that the Supreme Court said that he could go ahead with the funding. That might be a sign to the Trump Administration that ultimately the Supreme Court with its five, quote, conservative justices will support the building of this border wall in the end. All right, katie phang, thanks so much. Appreciate it. Have a great day. Sin city under attack. The story behind the pictures coming up. This summer at panera, were going all in on strawberries. At their reddest, ripest, they make everything better. Like our strawberry poppyseed salad and new strawberry summer caprese salad. Strawberry season is here. Panera. Food as it should be. As a doctor, i agree with cdc guidance. I recommend topical pain relievers first. 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