Coronavirus. Out how to mitigate that. The president confirmed today that some white house staff will in terms of how we protect now start wearing masks. People in nursing homes, meat packing plants, you know, what the u. S. Lost more than 20 we need is a really rigorous million jobs in the month of april as the country remained testing program. Anybody who is in a nursing under lockdown. Thats the biggest loss since home, any worker, any visitor, all the people who live there the Great Depression, since need to be tested on an ongoing weve been keeping these records. Basis thats how you protect the Unemployment Rate is now a those folks. We havent done that because we staggering 14. 7 . Dont have testing or not enough testing and thats why we jcpenney is the latest continue to see the massive outbreaks in these places that retail chain to announce that are killing unfortunately a lot of people. All right. They are preparing to file for very quickly, can this be bankruptcy protection as early as next week. According to reuters the formers sexually transmitted . There is a chinese study that maybe it can be . Retail giant would be following yeah, so im pretty skeptical suit with similar filings from of that study. Earlier this week of nieman mark again, im not skeptical of what they found, but they are very does and j. Crew. For what its worth jc pen kree sick patients, some virus in the was struggling before this pandemic just like those other seemen, probably Worth Holding two retail outlets as well, i on for Sexual Activity for 14 think. As weve listen saying, if you days after you recover but i dont think its going to be a were fragile going into this major mode of transmission. Thing you may be in a worse all right. Shape now. Joining me is my coanchor for dr. Jha with harvard, thanks for the next two hours, katy tur. Coming on, answering some of our basic questions and providing we knew this day was coming with your expertise to our audience. The unemployment report. Always happy to. Katy, over to you. Its here and yet it undersells chuck, i would imagine if you are having intercourse, though, you would be pretty close to the person regardless. How devastating this is. It is a reminder, sadly, that moving on. Still ahead, what more could this number as high as it is, as congress do to help families record breaking as it is, will struggling right now . Probably be a record for just were going to ask independent senator angus king about that one month. Absolutely. And the state of the economy the number that we got in april coming up next. Youre watching msnbc. Coming up next youre watching msnbc. To americas frontline responders, thank you. Undercounts the number of unemployed there actually are because there are still so many people, chuck, out there who are trying to get through on those Unemployment Insurance lines to file for Unemployment Insurance and, remember, with the weekly jobs numbers we are up to over 33 million. The crisis is still unfolding in front of us and its not quite clear where the bottom is going to be. Can i just update us on a little bit of more news about the Vice President s the member of his staff that tested positive for covid19. Yeah. I just want to Say Something about this. It seems and we have talked about this over and over again, chuck, the optics of how the white house has dealt with it, crowding on the platform, having no people wear masks, although that seems to be that theyre changing this. Im just so surprised by it every single day because when you consider the measures taken to protect the president from a threat, he lives in a house guarded by gates and snipers on the roof, there areozens if not hundreds of secret Service Members guarding him every day, he travels in a car that is blastproof and yet it doesnt seem like the whau has taken the threat of this virus as seriously as other threats. When this is something that could very possibly kill him if he contracted it. Its just not clear how it might affect his system. He is the president of the United States, why are they reacted to instead of preparing for the possibility that this virus might infect the white house. It does come across as a bit cavalier, but, look, we brought up the two biggest stories were dealing with right now and lets stick with them for a few minutes. As weve been talking about here, katy and i, the white house held its first press Briefing Since both of those two pieces of bombshell news dropped this morning, those two coronavirus cases inside the west wing and the release of tide cleaners is offering Free Laundry Services that devastating april jobs to the family of frontline responders. Report. Hans nichols joins us from the visit hope. Tidecleaners. Com to learn more. White house with the latest. Hans, correct me if im wrong, but did she really begin her press briefing today not with the jobs report but with the fbi correct, i think she wanted to talk about Michael Flynn just as im going to have to talk up loudly because he have the leaf blower making a pass at us here. The white house is using these briefings and trying to establish what they want the rhythm to be. What you heard there talking about the whole Michael Flynn issues clearly thats where they wanted the focus to be. They did send out economic officials earlier in the morning as soon as they are actually allowed torques an hour after the jobs report comes out, you heard from mr. Kudlow, larry kudlow as well as kevin hassett. Both were strongly suggesting a case point that this is going to get worse before it gets better and in may and even june could have disastrous numbers. They are really starting to push out on when they think the economy is going to snap back. So the rhetoric seems to shift ever so slightly towards the back half of the Third Quarter, thats leading right up into the president s election and that you wont see the recovery until the Fourth Quarter or 2021 which is after the election. And that seems to be seems to be its the calendar thats driving these decisions and not the virus, but once again, the virus does seem to be the dominant usually wins here if you are trying to fight the virus without a vaccine. Hans nichols getting us started. Katy, over to you. There is not an agreement that all of the jobs that have been lost, chuck, are going to bounce right back. Lets turn now to california, one of the states thats been hit hardest by the economic crisis, the golden state has today senators kamala already borrowed 350 million in harris, ed markey and Bernie Sanders introduced a monthly federal money in order to keep paying unemployment. Economic Crisis Support act, it would send a monthly check to 3. 7 million californians are now individuals and families making out of work since march. Less than 120,000 until the joining us now is nbcs joe jo coronavirus pandemic subsides. That is just the latest plan floating around the capitol. For more on the federal kent from universal city, governments response to the california. What are the expectations on worst economic numbers since the whether those jobs are going to Great Depression were joined by be there, still exist in a month, two months, three months independent senator from maine when we are able to reopen the angus king. Senator, always great to have entire country . You. These numbers were awful today and when i talked to people reporter katy, its all about two things, its about across the country, mostly whether or not the jobs will actually be there and then around the new york city area and outside the outskirts they whether or not customers, shoppers, consumers have the will tell me that the stimulus Consumer Confidence to return to checks were a good start, they will say the sba loans are a spend money because this is the first time we have seen in a good idea but they havent quite worked the way that they need pandemic that the loss leader them to. Here is the Retail Industry what is Congress Planning on doing next and how quickly do excuse me, the hospitality you guys need to act . Industry. You saw in the jobs report 7. 7 well, we ought to act soon million jobs lost in and weve been here for a week hospitality, right . Now and done nothing in terms of thats a decrease by nearly 50 the Covid Response and i think of that entire sector. Thats a failing and apparently that is massive. And then if you take a look at next week theres nothing scheduled, either. There may be some discussions the breakdown, you also see a going on, there are discussions going on in the background. Major job losses in education people are trying to put and construction, professional together what the next package Business Services here. Should look like. One of the things, katy, that is and we also want to highlight something else. One thing thats pretty very important and somewhat contentious is help to the remarkable about every jobs report as ive covered them over states and we talk about the states as if its some kind of the years is if you read all of the different tables you get big amorphous shape, but some very valuable information, actually its people and most including on veteran states the money flows back to unemployment specifically here, communities so were talking if katie. We took a look at it and now the states dont get help, were veteran unemployment across the talking about layoffs and were board is 12 here in the u. S. Talking about layoffs of people like teachers and first that is six times what it was responders and people that are last year at this time. You have more than a million processing unemployment claims. I mean, it makes no sense. Veterans who have applied for so that should be a part of the unemployment for those jobless claims that weve been covering next package. And if you take a look at women also some additional focus on veterans specifically, their testing. Jobless rate, their unemployment katy, the numbers today are rate, is 14 . Awful and the Economic Impact is you take that with the context awful. That this jobs report is the problem is its going to underestimating the current continue to be awful until we realities of our economy right deal with this Underlying Health now and thats extremely problem. Painful. The best way to deal with that, another important number to look short of a vaccine or a cure, is at is people of color and their absolutely a massive increase in Unemployment Rates here. You see Asian Americans 14. 5 , testing and for some reason the administration is resisting black americans 16. 7, hispanic doing that. Theyve increased Testing Community 19 and if you dig somewhat with great pride they said last week it was 300,000 a even deeper into the report and take a look at why thats the day. It ought to be in the range of 2 to 3 million a day. Case an economist i just talked so were still off by a major to told me that a lot of these jobs in these communities are factor and until that starts to being lost because of education, happen all of the economic a distinct disadvantage from the things that we are talking about are just pasting it over. Outset, and if you look at the what really bothers me is we had population with no college sort of a contract with the education, the employment rate administration, if you will. For that group is below 50 . The American People held up their end of the deal. So if you want jobs to come back we shut down. We took time off. And youre leading with all of we selfisolated. These retail and Service Sector we did all those things, but for jobs getting cut the most, i two months we havent had a mean, thats really where the consistent plan, the only thing pain point is and that is the intersection of this giant consistent about the plan is catastrophe that we are in right its inconsistent and we havent now. Had this expansion of testing and just so much uncertainty surrounding those jobs in the which everybody says is critical in order to bring this thing future, jo ling kent, thank you under control. So, yes, were talking about more, but a lot of the activity very much. This is round one, this is going to be sadly cascading. Should be taking place at the among the millions of these april job losses that were white house and then i just read reported about 18 million of them were deemed temporary the cdc guidelines that were layoffs. Okay. That could be good news, right . Killed, somebody said that was thats how they would quickly be too prescriptive. Whoever said that didnt know brought back, but economists what prescriptive meant. Warn there is a risk that those prescriptive means they were jobs might not come back quickly rules. They werent rules, they were or at all. Recommendations, well written, so what happens to the economy if those temporary layoffs thoughtful, and this become permanent. Administration is denying people joining are the chief economist advice about what the best at grant thornton, diane swank. Practices are. I want to play something the the issue with the federal president said earlier today because it is he is voicing i dont know at what point that you sit there you look like you dont know what some, i would say, overly where to start, chuck. Optimistic economists are saying right. About all of these temporary well, because i dont know what you guys can do, what any more layoffs. Take a listen to what he said you can do to motivate the this morning. Federal government to take over i created, as president , we testing. So i want to set that aside had the strongest economy in the because i dont know everybody has said and done history of the world, the Everything Possible to say, mr. Strongest economy weve ever had president , you guys have to own and we had to close it which is testing and they have made the decision to do it the way theyve done it. Artificial. We artificially closed it. Lets move to the economic those jobs will all be back and prescriptions. They will be back very soon and right. What is the best way to next year we are going to have a handle this . Phenomenal year. Is it the aid to the states, people are ready to go. We have to get it open. People and safely. People are ready to go. Industry by industry or is it taking over payrolls essentially . I think we all would like to where is your head on this . Be as enthusiastic and as well, im listening and optimistic as that. Is there any part of that thats interestingly you know there are people in other countries that reality according to this jobs have gone to the sort of direct report . Well, the biggest problem is payroll support. Interestingly josh holly it wasnt because of just the closing of the economy. Republican senator from missouri is talking about that and you the economy pulled back because of the virus before we ever shut rarely hear Bernie Sanders and one school or closed one state josh holly used in the same down and thats really important sentence, but i think thats something we have to think in the largest losses we are n the leisure and hospitality about. But all of these things are sector back in march before we did any of this said the tiding us over kind of things behavioral response of consumers and they need to be done and the to the virus and to the threat of contagion was fairly c. A. R. E. S. Act and the aid to the businesses, the ppp, significant before we ever got to this, which gets to the part Unemployment Insurance, all that this is first and foremost those things were and are a Health Crisis that doesnt go critically important, but it away and there is no field of mt just makes me mad at hell that were doing these things in the or build it they will not meantime not doing the things that could actually get us out necessarily come. I think thats very important to of this mess. Remember. All right. A lot of the temporary losses, which is to deal with the the furloughs out there are in health care part. The hardest hit industries and very quickly youre somebody, yes, you caucus with the travel and leisure and tourism democrats but you break your that are going to be the hardest to come back and in a world with back trying to have relationships with republican social distancing through the senators. Summer and into the fall many of can a group of them i mean, these companies cannot ramp up Lamar Alexander is one of the into any kind of a percentage of few who publicly has been saying Economic Activity or the number testing, testing, testing, this is the only answer to any of of workers they once had, many this is testing. Can a group of republican restaurants cant afford to senators go over to the president and say, enough, mr. Reopen and the overhead when president. You want to reopen the economy . They are having only 25 or 50 full all the time because of take over testing. Well, interestingly enough social distancing they cant afford the overhead of that, let just this morning about half a dozen said just that. Alone the wait staff to be open. So the fear is that on the other side of it not only that the job Shelley Moore capito, Lamar Alexander, dick shelby the losses are not just temporary, theyre much more permanent, but venerable chair of the also many businesses will Appropriations Committee said it. So hopefully this message will shutter completely on the other go through. Side of this if we dont get i sent the president a letter more relief out there to leave a almost two weeks ago as a member of his reopening task force that Better Foundation for the says make this a manhattan economy to recover from in 2021. You know, diane, you u