Crisis back in march. Lets hope its not simply due to being a lagging indicator. Maybe this is a positive trend. Texas Governor Greg Abbott announced his state will be pausing its reopening plan due to a recent spike in cases. He also asked texas residents to wear masks and practice social distancing. Its important not to lose track of the economic crisis unfolding alongside the pandemic. Frankly due to the pandemic. The Labor Department says an additional 1. 5 million americans filed for unemployment last week. Feels like the Third Straight week when thats the number. Joining me is my coanchor katy tur. What else are we going to be looking at this hour . Well, chuck, right now the house is debating its Police Reform bill. The George Floyd Justice in policing act. The house will vote on the bill this evening. Exactly one month after floyd was killed by Minneapolis Police. The proposal would likely be a nonstarter in the Republicancontrolled Senate but could offer a road map for democrats looking to push the gop further. Were going to discuss that with House Majority whip jim clyburn in just a moment. Were also looking at some new polling numbers in key battleground states. You mentioned one a moment ago. According to a New York Times poll out today, joe biden leads President Trump in six key states. A lot can happen, though, between now and election day. But if biden flips just those states from the final result in 2016, he would win the Electoral College by a vote of 333, a tally 205. Well break down which voters trump is currently losing and why. Its not the voters we saw at those rallies in 2016. Thats an easy one, though. It is. It is. But there is something happening out there, and it is the older end of the electorate is whats shifting here. Right now President Trump is headed to one of those battleground states in the poll you just mentioned, wisconsin. Attendees at this town hall that hes taping will be required to wear a mask and this weekend when the president visits new jersey hell not follow the mandatory quarantine announced for people that have visited highrisk states. President trumps trip to arizona this week means he would to have to selfisolate once he enters the garden state. The white house says that rule does not apply to the president because hes not a civilian. Joining us now, political reporter monica alba. Monica, what im really curious about, these swing state visits that the president is making, normally they make a lot of sense and one of the ways theyll say, oh, you know, even though it doesnt penetrate nationally, we get a lot of great local coverage. But ive noticed all these visits whether pence or trump, the local coverage is always about all of the virus restrictions theyre avoiding. Its not about the substance of why they are visiting. Im starting to wonder if theyre effective. Normally those trips have been overshadowed by not just the preparations but then the president s own actions when hes on the ground going to places that have asked him to please wear a mask. For example, remember, this president has never worn a Face Covering publicly. He says once in michigan behind the scenes. He didnt want to put it on because he didnt want to give the press the pleasure of seeing him in one. He was touring a medical swab company that then had to throw away all of the sample swabs because the president refused to wear a face mask around them rendering them useless. This is something the white house has really dug in on. The president has said he doesnt plan to wear one. He doesnt care that his Top Health Officials are saying this has nothing to do with what party you support. Its not political. Everybody who is trying to prevent the spread should be wearing them. You mention that travel advisory in the tristate area. The white house is saying the rules dont apply to the president because they tried to take so many precautions. In arizona, they tested and screened anybody who came into contact with him. Its the same case today in wisconsin. But the messaging could not be more mixed. As you point out, all of the stories are normally around local officials. You also remember just back a few weeks ago you had mayors saying, please dont come to my city when the pandemic is still raging on because it takes away so many resources also from the people on the ground still trying to battle the virus, chuck. Excellent point there on the local official angle, too. They dont think they get the same bang for these visits you normally would expect. Monica alba getting us started at the white house. Katy, im going to quote marco rubio. Just wear the but im going to say dang. Just wear the dang mask. Yeah, just wear it. Right now, chuck, the house is debating the George Floyd Justice in policing act. Democratic reform bill would limit qualified immunity, ban chokeholds and noknock warrants and establish a National Database for police misconduct. But where is it going to go in the senate . Yesterday democrats in that chamber blocked the republicans version of the bill, the justice act. Now republicans are claiming the democrats dont actually want to pass a piece of legislation that would hand the president a win. Democrats deny that. They say that bill wasnt nearly good enough. Joining us is Nbcs Leigh Ann Caldwell on capitol hill. I understand you talked with nancy pelosi this morning. I did. I just spoke with speaker pelosi, katy. And democrats are united. Theyre not only united in their legislation. We just spoke with one of the three democrats who did not cosponsor this house bill, Anthony Brindisi of new york. Hes in a tough reelection race. Hes going to vote for this house bill today. But democrats are also united in their strategy in blocking the Senate Republican bill. When i spoke to pelosi just moments ago, i asked her if democrats made a mistake. That if they lost an opportunity there. She said absolutely not. She blamed the press for giving republicans too much credit for putting forward a bill that does nothing. She also said that Senate Democrats are absolutely right in what they did. So after this bill passes the house today, the question is where it goes in the senate. As you mentioned, it seems the only path forward is if bipartisan talks come to some sort of compromise bill to put that compromise bill on the floor. But im told from sources that those negotiations or talks have not even begun, katy. Leigh ann caldwell on capitol hill for us. Thank you very much. I know we have a guest coming in right now where we can who we can ask that question of. Absolutely. Joining us is democratic congressman Majority Whip Jim Clyburn of South Carolina. Hes the chairman of the House Select Committee on the Coronavirus Crisis as well. Congressman, appreciate you coming in. Let me just start with thank you very much. Let me start with what happened today. What youre doing today. And this bill is going to pass. Do you think you could have given Senate Democrats more leverage had this bill had you guys been able to move your bill faster . Because i have a feeling it would have had more republican support than you will today. I dont think so. I think that we did this with prior notice to everybody as to what we were working on. We reached out time and time again to republicans in the house to join in this. We saw polling taking place all over the country. And people were on board with us doing something to restructure our Police Activities here in the country. And it took no expert to look at a man who is having the life snuffed out of him with a knee to the neck and not know that something needs to be done to respond to that. And when you look at the history of the gentleman who did the kneeing, he had at least two firearm violations before this. So we know that something needs to be done about the culture of policing in the country, and we asked them to join us in doing that. We know that everything we have in the bill will probably not come out the way we started with it. But thats why the senators have a companion to our legislation in the senate. Cory booker, kamala harris, and i thought they would be sitting down with tim scott and seeing if they could reconcile those differences there in the senate. So i think that weve got two opportunities to get this right. I would hope they would start in the senate. Let me senator tim scott was expressed some frustration yesterday. I want to play that clip and get you to respond to it, sir. Today we lost i lost a vote on a piece of legislation that would have led to systemic change in the relationship between the communities of color and the Law Enforcement community. Its not chokeholds. Its not the duty to intervene. Its not data collection. The actual problem is not what is being offered. It is who is offering it. Congressman, do you accept that critique from him . No, i dont. The fact of the matter is, just read the legislation. We are outlawing chokeholds in our bill. They are encouraging local Law Enforcement people to consider outlawing chokeholds. We are banning noknock entrance in our bill. They seem to be encouraging these kinds of activities in their bill. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and we dont plan to travel that road. Congressman, what would you compromise on if a compromise happens . Well, you know, i have been talking with karen bass about this legislation. We have talked extensively. She is the negotiator with the senate on this legislation. I have complete faith and confidence in her. Shes keeping up with these things on a daytoday basis, and im not. So when she says to me that this is a good area for the compromise on, im going to listen to her because thats where my faith and confidence lie. So you are saying that theres room to compromise, and we can put the legislation back up on the screen, what the democrats are offering and what the republicans are offering. You guys are very far apart. Banning chokeholds, you democrats say, yes. Gop is talking about incentivizing Police Departments. Change in qualified immunity. Noknock warrants, banning it in drug cases for the democrats. The republican side seems to be more about collecting and research and studying the issue. Thats not what the democratic side is about. When you are so far apart, do you need to be more public about what you are willing to work with in order to get the republicans back to the table for or to get to any table, frankly so, that there can be some legislation and that this just isnt stalled like so many other pieces of major legislation in the past few years . Well, i do believe that everything thats on the table is negotiable. No question about that. The extent to which we have the negotiations depend upon whether or not the senate, the leadership, the Republican Leadership in the senate would be willing to sit down and negotiate. Look, we believe very strongly in our legislation. We dont think we need to be studying it. Weve been studying this issue now for more than a century. And so we dont need to come to the conclusion that there is something wrong with chokeholds. All the way back to eric garner, its been very pronounced theres something dramatically wrong with chokeholds. And Many Police Departments all over the country are outlawing them. And so we believe strongly that we have enough Empirical Data on this to make decisions now. But if the senate has some other twist to this beyond encouragement, i think well talk about it. Congressman, i would change subjects here to the virus. This our worst day yet. Here we are. Theres some of it feels like, what have we accomplished in the last four months, right . Your home state is seeing a spike right now in South Carolina. Is there where is the urgency on the congressional level . Is this onesided urgency . Its just on one side of the aisle . No, this urgency is on both sides of the aisle. And i really believe that those who have the responsibility here in the congress to try to work out whatever difference we have we ought to go forward with that. I chair the select committee on covid19, and we have been given data from mayors all over the country, from nursing homes, and we ought to be able to move forward with some things right away. We see the report out just yesterday telling us what theyve seen to be wrong. Weve been crying out for efficiency, for effectiveness and equity in our administration of this legislation. And so we need to have testing. We need to have contact tracing. We need to have isolation, treatment, and we need to plus up this. Instead, this administration is now withholding testing funds for, what, five or six states. I dont quite understand that. I really believe that we need to be plussing up the testing. I dont think youll have more of the virus because you test. What youre going to find out is where the virus is. And where we need to go in order to concentrate on eliminating it. You dont eliminate the virus by ignoring its existence. And thats what this administration seems to be wanting us to do. Just pretend it aint there. Benign neglect. Weve suffered too much in this country over benign neglect, and youll not see the democrats on select committee buying into that procedure. Congressman, indulge me on a question of 2020. This comes from something i read in a politico piece by tim alberta. He spoke to a number of black voters in detroit welloff black voters who were frustrated with the democratic party. One man, a 53yearold Real Estate Agent said democrat or republican, were still in the same position. No matter if its a republican or a democrat sitting in the white house, we stay chasing that socalled American Dream but we cant reach it because things arent even. They never have been. They never will be. This whole piece is about disillusionment with black voters toward the democratic party. Saying nothing really changes for them. Doesnt matter who is in office. What is your response . My response to that would be, please. Take a little time and study your history. Dont tell me nothing ever changed. I am 79 years old. At least for another 30 days. And i know how much change has taken place in this country. For him to tell me there would be no difference if goldwater got elected rather than Lyndon Johnson . Is he telling me the Civil Rights Act of 64 did not make a difference . The Voting Rights act of 65 did not make a difference . Elementary secondary education act, medicare, medicaid . Higher education act. All of these things came about as a result of Lyndon Johnsons Great Society program. He was a democrat. He beat a republican who thought otherwise. So i would say to that gentleman, just look around yourself and see where you were, where your family was in 1964 and where you are today. So dont tell me nothing ever changes. That kind of defeatism would have me still on in a cotton field. And im far from there. Congressman, first of all, i hope i have half the energy you have at 79 years old, number one. Obviously you have a birthday coming up soon. In february, you made it clear you thought the Biden Campaign had to make some changes. How do you think theyre doing now. They are making some significant changes. They are doing very well. But theres always room for improvement. Im talking to them every day about the things i think they need to take a look at. Im very pleased where theyre going. Im hopeful that the process, the vetting and the polling thats taking place on their choices for who should be the running mate. I hope its going well. I think that were poised to restore americas goodness. Joe biden is a good guy. He has demonstrated that goodness time and time again. And ive been saying to people for a long time, americas greatness is under threat because we have been losing too much goodness. If he can restore the goodness of americans, we can restore our greatness. Thats what it will take. We have a candidate that has demonstrated that time and time again, and i believe that the polling that you are seeing today is demonstrative of the fact that the American People believe in joe biden as being a good guy for the future of this great country. Congressman jim clyburn, democrat of South Carolina, its always a pleasure to get your perspective. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Katy, over to you. My thanks to the congressman as well. Up next, an arizona councilman mocked the dying words of george floyd and eric garner saying, i cant breathe at an antimask rally. Plus it has been 104 days since Breonna Taylor was shot in her home during a police raid. Well go live to a rally where demonstrators are demanding justice. Youre watching msnbc. Ing msnbc. So, no more night sweats. No more nocturnal baking, or polar ice cap airconditioner mode. Because the tempurpedic breeze delivers superior cooling from cover to core. Helping you sleep cool, all night long. 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