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Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live Decision 2020 20200529

Involvement in floyds death while in custody, but the only one charged so far. The criminal complaint alleges, quote, the defendant had his knee on mr. Floyds neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds in total. 2 minutes and 53 seconds of this was after mr. Floyd was nonresponsive. Police are trained that this type of restraint with the subject in a proned position is inherently dangerous. Announcing the charges today, Hennepin Countys top prosecutor mike freeman said that despite more than one video of what officers did to mr. Floyd, they didnt have enough to charge chauvin until today. Were looking at the evidence, there may be subsequent charges later. The investigation is ongoing. We felt it appropriate to focus on the most dangerous perpetrator. We can only charge a case when we have sufficient admissible evidence to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. As of right now we have that. In a statement the family of george floyd, a 46yearold father of two, welcomed a step on the road to justice. We expected a first degree murder charge and we want to see the other officers arrested. We call on authorities to revise the charges to reflect the true culpability of the officer. The decision to charge chauvin follows the emergence of new video of the deadly incident. That video taken from the opposite side of the street appears to show three of the officers pinning floyd down. It follows another night of peaceful protests in minneapolis but boiled over. One at a police precinct. Of course donald trump was fanning the flames as he always does in the usual way with a tweet. Well have much more on that later. Anger other floyds death and the deaths of other black men and women have sparked protests across the country over the past 48 hours. Tonight, the mayor of minneapolis announced a curfew which takes effect two hours from now. Im joined by ali velshi on the ground in minneapolis. Give me a sense of the reaction to the charges against officer chauvin. Joy, there are a number of things going on and one is that people are wondering about this third degree charge. Theyre wondering about the three other officers. Theyre wondering about the absence of the video, a perp walk of chauvin being arrested because its been of the Minneapolis Police standing guard outside his house, so the frustration is boiling over here as you can see here. This is a demonstration. Were about three blocks agray the police precinct, but they have the jersey barriers, you see the line of state patrolmen and supported by the National Guard officers. We are two hours away from the imposition of the curfew and it remains to be seen what happens to the crowds like this around the city at 8 00 p. M. Eastern our time, 9 00 p. M. Your time, when theyre supposed to disappear. Will they disipate, will the police make an arrest . They have not engaged with the protesters. In fact, 24 hours ago, there were no police, no firefighters, no National Guardsmen around here at all. Thats changed. Theres a heavy Law Enforcement presence here right now. But we dont know what happens in the next two hours. The crowds are building, the tension is mounting. There are several people going up and confronting the state troopers. Thats the kind of thing thats happening right now. Tensions are high and we are awaiting for a couple of hours. The crowd here is much, much smaller than it was yesterday. Its also not centered around Something Like it was when we were three blocks from here yesterday at the police precincts. So we dont know whats happening, we dont know whats happening in the next couple of hours. This has been a peaceful protest. The tensions are running high, joy. Yeah. Absolutely. And one more question for you, ali. You know, we dont want to center ourselves as journalists but one of the unusual things we saw happen is the arrest of a journalist. A cnn reporter, oscar jimenez, was arrested live on tv. Here it is really quickly. This is among the state patrol unit that was advancing up the street, scattering the protesters to that point for people to clear the area. So we walked away im sorry . Youre under arrest. Do you mind telling me why im under arrest, sir . Why am i under arrest, sir . Im with cnn. Youre arresting me live on cnn. If youre just tuning in youre watching our correspondent omar jimenez being arrested by state police in minnesota. Mr. Jimenez has been since released and ali as somebody who observes news around the world, this is not an ordinary thing we see in the United States, to have journalists arrested. Has there been particular tension between reporters and the police specifically directed at reporters . No, because keep in mind, the police have disappeared from the scene for a while. The police and journalists werent in the same place, but in this morning mr. Jimenez was near the police. Journalists will not be excluded from this and if theyre out on the street theyll be arrested. We subsequently clarified that the journalists are not going to be arrested for being out beyond the curfew if we need to interact or record our actions between the police and the guard men. Its unusual to see an arrest of a reporter, and doing nothing except covering the news. It was an unusual situation, quickly remedied, thankfully, joy. Yeah. Very interesting. Covering it from a network that the president normally doesnt like, but it was very odd. Ali velshi, thank you very much. Youre doing a great job, thank you. Joining me now is Andrea Jenkins Vice President of the minneapolis city council. I want to ask you the same question. If were at the point where journalists are being arrested that means that the public is not being allowed to know whats going on. What is your comment about that arrest . Well, hi, joy. How are you . Thanks for having me on your show tonight. That that arrest was really interesting because just moments prior to mr. Jimenez being arrested, they spoke with a white journalist from cnn and they let him go on about his business and then they encountered mr. Jimenez and he was arrested. So i think that arrest i dont think its about journalists at all. I think its all about race and you might be aware, joy, that, you know, i have called for a a resolution declaring racism as a Public Health issue, a Public Health crisis and thats what i think about that arrest this morning. I thought it was so ironic that it happened on the air. It really symbolizes the very thing that people are marching all around the country about. The unfair policing of black people. Yeah. Let me ask you about the arrest of derek chauvin. Before i give you the chance to respond to his arrest and being charged with third degree murder, this is just a piece of his background. He was the subject of at least a dozen Police Conduct complaints. In 2006, he was one of Six Police Officers who shot 40plus rounds of bullets at wayne reyes after he stabbed his girlfriend and a friend. In 2008, he shot an unarmed black 21yearold man who chauvin says grabbed for his weapon. The restraint technique that he used on mr. Floyd was not a part of Minneapolis Police training. He is represented by tom kelly who happens to be the same man lawyer who got the officer who shot Philando Castillo in 2016 acquitted. What do you make after the fact of all that he was still on the force and what do you make of his arrest . We should note his arrest was subsequent was to the arrest of the journalist, but your thoughts. Yeah. You know, i think Police Unions all around the country have so much power and certainly as the contracts and, you know, lawmakers like myself have a role in negotiating those contracts, however, no theres nobody that can keep their job after 18 charges of misconduct and, you know, costing your employer thousands and thousands of dollars in lawsuits. Only the union can really create a scenario where an officer like that can keep his job and let me be very clear. I am very pro labor. I am a cardcarrying union member. Right now my card is updated for 2020. Im a member of the sciu, so im not bashing workers, i support labor unions. But the contracts with police and jurisdictions all around this country give way too much authority to Police Officers. If they get fired, you know, these officers can go to another community and get rehired. Many times they get rehired in the same police force that they were fired from. Yeah. Indeed. That is very much true. Council woman Andrea Jenkins, thank you very much. I appreciate your time. Thank you and be safe. Joining me is Loretta Lynch, who served as u. S. Attorney general under barack obama. Ill ask you the same question. The idea that a Police Officer could have that much of a jacket essentially, that many misconduct complaints including using his weapon in that way and still be a practicing Police Officer, what do you make of that . Well, thank you, joy, and thank you for focusing on this important issue. You raise a really important issue in the context of the history of this Police Officer and possibly the other officers who were with him. We have now seen an arrest in this case. We have seen the horrific video several times over of mr. Floyd literally losing his life. That image will never be erased either from us or from his family. We have to think about that. But this issue and the reason why you see so much anger, so much frustration is because its really about more than just this one case. It is about how we police in america. Whom do we allow to police in america . How do we let them regulate citizens in america . How do we let police use the incredible power that they have, which yes, can be used for good, but for so many people in this country is often a negative force against them. A force literally on their neck. So the issue of this officers history is highly relevant. You have to look at what kind of training this officer received. The main question that i have throughout all of this is why does a uniformed Police Officer think that he its appropriate not just for him to take this action, but that he can do it in front of other officers. Most of the time, you find a situation where officers know they can do it because they have gotten away with things before. That speaks to police culture. It speaks to Police Training and it speaks to police leadership. And, you know, the other thing that i think people when they look at it, i think to the point that you made is that officers feel confident because its so rare to have Police Officers charged with a crime like the one that mr. Chauvin is charged with. I want to let you listen to the hennepin district attorney, mike freeman, and talking about the time line and how much time it took to charge officer chaufen. This is by far the fastest we have charged a Police Officer. Normally it takes nine months to a year. We have to charge the cases very carefully. Because we have a difficult burden of proof. We entrust our Police Officers to use certain amounts of force to do their job, to protect us. They commit a criminal act if they use this force unreasonably. We have to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt. We have had great cooperation from the fbi and from the United States attorney general erica mcdonald. You know, i think the challenge that you know, the ordinary person has with that idea is that if a civilian did this to another civilian, there wouldnt be a need to place by prove the entire case before theyre charged. Is that fair, that he had to essentially is have the case all but proved before hed even lay the charge . Yes, and this prosecutor is absolutely correct. This case has moved incredibly quickly. One reason i believe is because the officers were fired. If they were still employed they likely would have the union rights as was alluded to by your prior guests that would allow them to delay being questioned and the delay the investigation through the exercise of their union rights and that often is a tremendous barrier to investigating police misconduct. So that may have influenced their ability to actually much more quickly. But i think that thats what youre also seeing is this anger from the average citizen who says that look in this exact case, mr. Floyd allegedly passed a bad 20 bill and he was arrested right away. We watched mr. Floyd lose his life and no one was arrested right away. And those are questions that Law Enforcement has to answer. Now, there are answers for it in some circumstances, but when you have a situation where theres so little trust and so little dependence on the word of government, when government in particular through its Law Enforcement is seen as the perpetrator of the incredible wrong here, you really do have to move much more quickly as they did in this case. Well, let me you this question because i know under attorney general eric holder and also under yourself serving in the Obama Administration there were pattern and practice investigations implemented against Police Forces in which there were crimes that were of this magnitude or incidents that produced this kind of a reaction. Would you recommend that the current attorney general implement a pattern and practice investigation of this county . Well, certainly i think you have you certainly have the indicia that i have seen in several similar circumstances that we did open the investigation into the Police Department because as i noted before, the issue beyond just this case, the tragic loss of life that we all saw was why do Police Officers feel that they can behave in this way with impunity . Theres also the concern that i have which is that very few people start out their career placing that their knee on someones neck so you have to look at the culture. You have to look at the training and that is exactly what a pattern and practice investigation does. We also look at the issue of this particular Police Department that in fact at the beginning of the Obama Administration reached out to the department of justice and sought assistance in terms of use of force issues and polices issues early on. But then as we saw frankly a few years ago with the tragic death of Philando Castillo and others failed to put in the reforms that were recommended. This has to be an ongoing review and it has to be an ongoing process. So certainly a pattern and practice investigation would give Law Enforcement the ability to look at the entire department and see how they handle these important issues. And we are out of time, but very quickly, would you trust this department of justice to do such an investigation under william barr and his doj . I have to say that i certainly hope that the Department Remains involved in a way that provides people accountability and transparency. I also know that the local u. S. Attorney will be very, very much involved as well but i think its incumbent on all the citizens to hold the governments feet to the fire in this investigation. And so many others. People have been down this road before, people have been through investigations before and need to hold this department of justice accountable for handling this in a way that provides accountability and transparency and justice. Former attorney general Loretta Lynch, thank you so much. Really appreciate you being here tonight. Coming up, Donald Trumps feeble thank you so much. Donald trumps feeble attempt to walk back part of the inflammatory tweet that threatened violence against looters and Kamala Harris will join me next. Well get her reaction to the arrest and charges in minneapolis against one of the officers involved in the killing of george floyd. Stay right there. Weve got much more to get to after this quick break. Weve go after this quick break out of sy, out of sy, keeping me from the things i love to do. Talk to your doctor, and call 8442142424. Dont bring that mess around here, evan whoo dont do it. Dont you dare. I dont think so [ sighs ] its okay, big fella. 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Trump not only referred to the demonstrators marching to produce the killing of floyd as thugs but called for the use of force on the streets of minneapolis saying when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Now, there is Historical Context to that phrase. It traces back to the 20year former miami police chief whose policy sparked race riots in the 1960s. Chief Walter Headley likened by newspapers to birmingham sheriff connor promoted the use of deadly force amid the civil unrest over 50 years ago. Well, i have Standing Orders here when the looting starts the shooting starts. T

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