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MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Ali Velshi October 13, 2017

Thank you for saving me on live tv when i hadnt put my own mike on. Nobodys fault by my own and you came to my rescue. We are forever friends. Have a great weekend. See you next week. We forgive you. Hello, everybody. Imally velshi. A very, very busy day. Covering a lot of stories. President trump saying he will decertify the Iran Nuclear Deal and going to give it to congress to renegotiate and figure out what to do about the problem that is iran. Well talk about that shortly. Also we have a very serious new development on obamacare. I guess you have to stop calling it obamacare at this point, because it has very little to do with what president obama and his team actually developed. President trump is now saying he will not continue on with those costsharing reductions. The payments from the government to Insurance Companies to cover lowincome people who could not afford copays or insurance premiuming. Thats story number two were following. And we want to go to Kelly Odonnell at the white house who has been covering these stories and most recently the iran story and our bureau chief in tehran, start with you, kelly. Bring us up to speed on the latest. Reporter for a long time President Trump and candidate trump said this was a terrible deal with iran to try to curb and prevent its Nuclear Program, to never get to a point where its weaponized. Today he took only one step towards breaking this up saying he will tell the congress to decertify the deal. This is a domesticonly part of it that doesnt affect the agreement with the other nations but tells congress that he is looking for action. Things like sanctions that deal with issues other than the Nuclear Program to try to put more pressure on iran. By doing things that are not the Nuclear Program, the original deal could stay intact for some period of time. The president is under pressure to keep partners around the world who want this deal to go forward. At least somewhat satisfied. And hes been hearing from european leaders as he left the white house today on the south lawn talking to reporters, he told us about the kinds of comments hes getting from allies in europe who werent pleased with this decision. They would love me to stay in only for one reason. Look at the kind of money thats being sent. You know, iran is spending money in various countries. And ive always said it and i say to them, dont do anything. Dont worry about it. Take all the money you can get. Theyre all friends of mine. Actually actually, emanuel called up, and he talked to me, and i said, look, emanuel, they just gave renault a lot of money. Take your money, enjoy yourselves. Well see what happens. Iran has to behave much differently. The president on a first named basis with the president of france, Emmanuel Macron and this is step to see could iran change what its sdwrog when congress agree on different steps . The Trump Administration does not expect a full renegotiation with the other countries that are signatories on the deal but it is sending a signal that they dont believe iran is living up to the spirit of the agreement, even though they acknowledge that technically they are complying with allowing inspections and so forth. It is possible that this will all not work. Both the secretary of state and the president say they dont know if this will be a successful strategy. The president saying as he was leaving the white house he could still rip up the deal, removing the u. S. From this multicountry pact, but this is a step in between getting out entirely and going along entirely. So it is a more nuanced step for the Trump Administration. Seems people are in the administration, particularly military advisers, counseling the president against getting out of it completely. Kelly, thanks very much. Go to ali arouzi in tehran. Its important to understand what the possible range of reactions could be from tehran. Particularly since this wasnt a deal everybody in iran or everybody in the iranian government was, in fact, in favor of. There are risks that the iranians could react in a way thats detrimental as well. Weve heard from hassan rouhani. How are iranians feeling about this . Reporter well, thats right. As you know, ali, theres two tracts here. Theres Hassan Rouhanis government, more modern, open to tehran and the west, want better relations with the west and the world at large, and then you have the very hardline elements in here, parts of the irgc and ruling elite here very hardline. That are very, very skeptical of any relationships with america. Now, they didnt necessarily werent necessarily in favor of the deal, but right now theyre not necessarily in favor of it falling apart, but if it does, theyll take it and theyll use that advantage. Theyll use that advantage to clobber the moderates saying you wasted four years of the countrys time negotiating with the United States, that came to nothing and take charge of the situation here, which would change the situation irreversibly in iran. Hassan rouhani made a speech on tell installation was very measured and said President Trump has no idea about iranian history. He has no understanding of what an International Agreement means, but he did go on to say that as long as the jcpoa, the joint comprehensive plan of action, the Iran Nuclear Deal, serves irans interests, then iran would adhere to it. If it doesnt, iran will pull out of the deal as well. He also said he was going to support the irgc. President trump tacame down har saying he would sanction them calling them a terrorist organization but the country supports the irgc and that President Trumps commenting will make them come together as closed ranks. There is an element of truth to that, although he has to say that. Social media lit up after President Trumps statements. Lambasting him, criticizing him for calling this region the arrayian gulf rather than the persian gulf and saying he doesnt represent irans interests and this is all very mockish towards the syrian people. Heading towards difficult times again with iran and america. The deal, rouhani made it very clear that this deal is not going to be amended. There are no clauses that could be added to it. It is what it is, and if you try to amend it, then iran will pull out. [ inaudible ] that would be a violation, and it would allow iran to walk away and say, hey, it was americas fault. Ali arouzi in tehran. Thank you for your comprehensive explanation what will happen as a result of what President Trumps done. Ali arouzi in tehran. Its been a while. Let me take you through the iran deal agreed to just over two years ago after about two years of negotiation. It is called the jcpoa. The joint comprehensive plan of action. It took, as i say, about two years to negotiate and the major focus, despite what the president is talking about, was on limiting irans Nuclear Program. Key provisions was the restricting of the amount of nuclear fuel that iran can keep for 15 years. Cutting down on the countrys stockpile of low enriched our rain ya uranium, and all crucial to Nuclear Weapons and subject to inspections, cruel inspections, to make sure iran complies. The United States is not the only one involved in the deal. Five other countries signed on besides the u. S. Theres china, france, germany, russia, the uk and iran. So thats why as Kelly Odonnell said its not something that the u. S. Can just rip up. Now, because of this, the administration wants congress to create socalled trigger points, which if violated allows the u. S. To impose more sanctions. Theyre as follows. Ballistic missile launches. A very tough conversation between iran and the United States. Refusal to extend nuclear fuel restrictions, and if u. S. Intelligence agency believed that iran could finish a Nuclear Weapon in less than a year. Now, if sanctions were to be reimposed and were not there yet, but if they were, it would effectively end the deal. Its not the technical end of the deal but already theres a clause in the original deal if iran violates the agreement sanctions will snap back to what they were before the deal. That, of course, is something iran would have a lot of trouble with, because under those sanctions irans economy struggled a great deal, and an eightmember Panel Including all the countries that negotiated the deal as well as the European Union would have to sign off on that. Remember, the administration thinks putting sanctions back will fix everything. Remember that north korea was able to develop Nuclear Weapons despite more severe sanctions than the ones we see on iran. So to make even more sense of this im joined by robert malley, Senior Adviser to the white house on the iran deal negotiations. The Vice President of policy for the International Crisis group and haggar, former spokesperson for the u. S. Mission to the united nations, and a former spokesperson for terrorism and Financial Intelligence at the treasury department. Thanks to you both for being here. Haggar, start with you. I just said a lot of things and want your evaluation. Is that roughly what were looking at here . Yes. Actually a great summary. I thought it was really comprehensive. On the north korea question, sanctions make it harder, costlier and originalier for these entities to 2kwe678 the Nuclear Weapons. I dont want to underestimate the effect it has. Got it. What do you think happens next . As Kelly Odonnell said its a middle ground between recertifying the agreement as the president has to do on a regular basis, and ripping up the agreement, or saying that the u. S. Wants no further part of it. What does this actually mean, this middle ground . Well, its a middle ground that is a very dangerous ground because what the president in effect said today he wants congress to basically legislate a unilateral change to the deal. Trigger points were contactually right. Those are things over time iran would be entitled to do under the deal and President Trump is asking congress to legislate some form of bill that would say if they did those things even though they were in compliance with the deal all the sanctions would snap back. Thats a violation of the deal. He also said that he wants a renegotiation of the deal and counting on europeans to come to his side to do that and said if he doesnt get satisfaction he would walk away from the dial. That would erase everything achieved and that you very accurately depicted all advances made to block irans path to a Nuclear Weapon. The threat of a nuclear iran, now at best a decade or 15 or 20 years s way and even then committed to ever develop a Nuclear Weapon, that threat comes to our doorstep today. Its a reckless and completely unjustified and necessary crisis that the president is creating. And there are probably people out there in america. I remember when the deal went through. Its not that everybody in america supported it. Most didnt. In are probably saying i dont really care about the technicalities of the deal. Iran is a bad actor. President trump is accusing them, the revolutionary guard, of terrorism. There are a lot of issues around Ballistic Missiles. Iran is one of the worst performers in the world when it comes to human rights, but that wasnt in the deal. How do you sdwhar circle . Iran is living up to the terms of the deal technically, but a lot of people dont like iran and dont think they do the right thing. Right. A lot of people argue the deal should have encompassed all of those nefarious situations. Right . Their human rights abuses, support of terrorism, destabilizing activity in the middle east. All of that is bad. President trump is very fair in expressing serious concern about that and wanting to go after that. The problem is, the deal is done. For better or worse, a lot of republicans even who criticized the deal signed on to it. It was done and decided to respect that. So it is what it is. Its separate. Undoing it doesnt achieve anything. Other than to isolate ourselves from our allies. So its just not a very strategic move. President trump announced today he had a strategy. From the fact sheet i saw personal loy i thought it looked like a preamble. A statement of facts what iran is up to, and just didnt really tell me much about the strategy. I really hope theres something there. Wrong about that stuff, the stuff President Trump says iran is doing isnt good, common knowledge. Hes right about that. Robert, my point is this a trumpian type of negotiation . A threat, hey, iran, you were isolated from the entire world, couldnt do bank transfers, use credit cards, couldnt trade with anyone. We gave you this deal where you could. Im going to take that away if you dont move further and do more things we need. Could it be strategically interesting that way . Id say good luck with that. I sat in the negotiation with iranians for two years. Anyone involved with iranians would say, its common sense, they are not going to agree with a gun pointed at their head that says, if you dont agree to changes to a deal we just negotiated and just signed, were going to tear it up. I think the iranians or any party would say, thank you very much. You go your way, then well go ours. All the europeans said the same thing. The notion that the president will threaten the europeans and iranians that he will walk away from the deal if they dont come to his side, what will happen, they wont come to his side. Hes basically telling them, either you violate the deal with me or ill violate it on my own. I think theyll prefer to see him violate it on his own. It may be a bluff or negotiating tactics. What will he do when irans dont agree to change the terms of the deal and neither do allies . Does he sorry, sorry, i was wrong. Or walk away from the deal and were back to the Nuclear Problem we had in 2014 when Prime Minister netanyahu and when all of the republicans were saying that irans pursuit of a Nuclear Weapon, program, was the existential threat. Thats the danger president obama dealt with. Why reopen it now . Fair to say never an existential threat but plent for good politics to tell everybody that at the time. Thanks to you both for your guidance on this. Haggar, former spokesperson for former ambassador to the united nations, and covers terror and intelligence under president obama and robert malley, Vice President for crisis at the International Crisis group. Thanks to both of you. All right. The u. S. And south korea are launching a Major Military drill in the sea of japan just at the president says hes open to negotiations with north korea. On tuesday, the Aircraft Carrier uss Ronald Reagan deploys off the Korean Peninsula for tra training exercising. For details, out to the pentagon. Hans nichols has more. Again, drill or show of force . Reporter ali, a reminder of u. S. Capabilities. Officials here all the way up to secretary of defense jim mattis will tell you the United States Aircraft Carrier is one of the few military assets just by moving it around can have a strategic impact. Now all of that said, they have been planning this for some time. The fifth sense operation. They do like to do joint operations with their korean and some cases Japanese Counterparts and seen recently flying up those b1 lancers in the middle of the night. They like to do shows of force and remind the North Koreans of their capabilities. What hasnt been planned is moving two other destroyers around, and thats in part, these are Ballistic Missile capable destroyers and in part because both the uss fitzgerald and uss john mccain the two destroyers with the collisions have been taken out of the theater. Moving a few assets around and have another destroyer in that part of the world. Remember, its these destroyers that can launch the Ballistic Missile defense. These capabilities, to knock out the intermediate ranged Ballistic Missiles, basically that threatens guam and japan. Thanks very much. Hans nichols at the pentagon. Happening in california, battle with no end in sight. Relentlessly battling 21 wildfires and deadliest in the states history. 400 people reported missing and cell towers destroye eed maybe thats why. 400 people not accounted for. More than 3,500 structures destroyed. Nearly 200,000 acres burned. The area of new york city. And heavy soot prompting schools to closed and the soot traveled as far as fresno more than 200 mimes to the south. Nbcs Steve Patterson is in Sonoma County in the town of glenallen, entire storms destroyed. Looking at the map of the fires. Youre in between a few fires, where you are right now . Reporter yeah. The fires combined into whats called a complex. A series of fires burning right beside us not only in snoonoma t yuba, and you can see the destruct

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