Continues our coverage right now. All right. One similarity in all of those shootings is unlike a lot of other developed countries, the availability of guns. A lot of opinions about that. The fact is, that is the distinction in the United States. In no other developed country are there as many guns as readily available to people. What you do about that, whether you even think its a problem, that is the problem and a commonality. Sigh later. And im ali velshi feet from the church where a gunman opened fire killing 26 people. Breaking, nbc news learned the suspect was convicted during his time in the military of fracturing the skull of his infant stepson. Error today, we learned he had been sending threatening sexes to his motherinlaw who attended that church. Also learning more about the victims. Youngest of whom was only 18 months old. Many of the People Killed were from the same families. One man is now mourning his children, his grandchildren and his greatgrandchildren. Eight people dead from the same family in this one shooting. At this moment, investigators are working to piece together exactly what happened. The deceased actually ranged from 18 months to 77 years of age. 12 to 14 children, deceased in this shooting. All of a sudden we see one of the victims running out. He was bloody on his arms, part of his face. Hes telling us that his familys in there and somebody had gone in and shot up everything and that his family, kept saying my family, my family. He said there were bodies on top of bodies. The number one goal of Law Enforcement, neutralize the shooter. In this situation, two Good Samaritans did that for Law Enforcement. Talking to dispatch, doing about 95 mileanhour down this road, keeping up with this guy until he finally kind of lost control on his own and hit the bar ditch. Reporter what possessed you to do it . It was the right thing to do. The gunman identified at 26yearold devin kelly dressed in black tacticalstyle gear and armed with an assault rifle. He served in the air force, and was courtmartialed on Domestic Violence charges eventually given a bad conduct discharge. Until we can get all of the documentation to determine exactly what his discharge was we will not have a determination on if this individual was prohibited from possessing or purchasing firearms. The suspects motherinlaw attended this church. We know he made threatening she had received threatening texts from him, but we want to get that out there this was not racially motivated. It wasnt over religious beliefs. Americans do what they do best. We pull together. We join hands. We lock arms, and through the tears and through the sadness, we stand strong. Oh, so strong. All right. About 30 hours in to this tragedy we have a lot of angles to get to. I want to go to Pete Williams, though. He joins me from washington. Pete, youve got the newest information on the shooter. What do you have . Reporter well, were getting more details about the nature of the courtmartial that resulted in him being kicked out of the air force in 2014. We now know that in 2012 he was charged with basically assault on his wife and infant son. That was the reason that they received a general courtmartial and a bad conduct discharge after serving a year in detention. What we now understand from the retired air force colonel who was in charge of all of these prosecutions at the time is that a little more about the nature of this assault. He was convicted of assaulting his wife and also his infant son, and causing the son to have a skull fracture. Now, i talked to this retired colonel who said he did not know the exact age of the son but said he was a baby. So given that, ali, one question has been, why was this derogatory information not in the system, and if it was, was it checked . And if it was checked, was it legally sufficient to deny him the Legal Authority to have a gun . Now, the atf talked some about the guns he bought. Heres what the atf senior official at the scene of the investigation has said. There was three firearms that have been recovered. One was the ruger 556 rifle uncovered at the scene of the church fwop additional handguns recovered from the vehicle. Of the deceased suspect. What we know is that he bought four weapons in total. Two of them were bought in colorado. Two bought here in texas. There was each one purchase purchase year in 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017. Reporter thats the rifle that you saw a moment ago, the ruger semiautomatic assaultstyle rifle that Authorities Say was used in the attack on the church, the gun dealer that sold that to him, to kelly, has said he bought it legally in 2016. So the gun dealer says it did the required background check and there was nothing disqualifying in it. So he was able to buy the weapon legally, ali. All right. Pete, thanks very much for your continued work on this. A lot of digging to do to get down to not only the motive but how this all happened. And with me also, youve been working straight the last 24 hours, and it is one of these stories where with each hour we get more. Two stories. The investigation of what happened there. The investigation that pete is undertaking with respect to the shooter and then this town that is a few hundred people strong. Thats it. Reporter thats it. 200 members of that church. And it is literally, its the church thats behind us. The gas station where the gunman was first seen. To the right, post afs, to the left a tightknit community, neighbors dont lock their doors at night. You think about it, ali. Weve said it, but worth saying again. 500 to 600 people thinking about 26 dead. 7 of the population decimated in the blink of an i after the shooting. Many families dealing with loss. Families that have Family Members clinging to life in nearby hospitals. 20 injured we know and then the case of the churchs pastor and his wife. Frank and sheri palmaroy were not in town when the shooting happened. You can tell from folks here and when they first came around the scene around 11 00 and during the presser, they are the heart of community. They lost their 14yearold daughter, was at the church service, annabel, they called bell. I want to play what the loss of his daughter means to him and to this community. Im telling everybody, you lean in to what you dont understand. You lean into the lord. And i so i submit this to everyone. My familys here. You guys there, whatever life brings to you, lean on the lord rather than your own understanding. I dont understand. But i know my god does. Thats where ill leave that. Reporter at the same time, ali, weve been hearing these stories of devastation, but also of resilience. We know victims like 5yearold ryland ward. 5 years old. According to a Family Member he was shot five times. Taken to a nearby hospital, stable and out of surgery. And as resilience as this town grapples becoming the scene of a largest scene of a shooting at a worship service. This young boy went to san antonio 25 miles away. The valero gas station, a woman, teri, runs the restaurant, concessions. Saying because they dont have a full list of names of everybody killed when customers walk through the door, she has relief to know that theyre not dead. There are people who dont know whos died. Reporter ali, even the investigation side of this. I spoke to the Wilson County sheriff, saying Texas Rangers are taking the lead. They dont have a big structure and numbers to take this on. We should tell people, we use terms about these town where is people dont lock their doors. But this is really incredible. Everybody you see on this corner, 98 of the people here are journalists. We are all here. The town and the community has been very welcoming of the sort of coverage theyve been getting, but reporter very gracious. And very gracious, but this is a tiny, tiny town. They dont know how to conceive of this tragedy. A woman i spoke to, lived here 63 years said, they never had anything close to this. Remembers barroom fights. Thats as close as they get to this sort of thing. Reporter the pastor and his wife here for 15 years. Think about the roots theyve really built here and having to deal with the loss of their daughter and with the recovery. Spiritually of this community. Ted cruz is speaking just over there. Lets listen in. Food and water and supplies. Just spontaneously saying, how can we help . We have people who have given, to cover the costs of the funerals. We have the baptist mens group that has given to cover the cost of repairing and rebuilding the church. And in the face of unspeakable evil, were seeing texas coming together. Were seeing texans helps texans, leaning on each other, and i will tell you the men and women of this community, youre not alone. You are being lifted up by the prayers of literally millions of texans, millions of americans, millions of people across the planet. The kind of evil that would look at a small child and callously murder that child. Thats an evil none of us hope ever to see. And yet i want to come way word of hope for this community that we will come through it and well come through it leaning on each other. I will tell you much like in the wake of hurricane harvey, where texas saw death and devastation and loss, we also saw inspirational unity and we saw and are seeing the church stepping forward and caring for our brothers and sisters. Thats what we have done before. Its what we are doing now, and its what we will do going forward. With that, im happy to answer a couple questions. Reporter how would you [ inaudible ] you know, there arent words that can make this pain go away. The pain of a parent losing a child is unspeakable. My understanding is that this depraved madman had worshipped at this church before. Weve seen this before. Evil there is a peculiar evil that can worship god, can pray with people and then come back and murder those very same people. I can tell you as i visited with the pastor, i shared something my father has pointed out before. Which is that in psalms 23, it tells us, yea though i go through the valley of death i will fear no evil, and the word of encouragement i tried to share is i think the most powerful word in that entire verse is the word through. Through the valley of death. This is a moment of horror, of grief, of agony, and yet with gods grace and with our coming together, we will make it through the valley and to the other side, but this is a community that is going to need prayer. Its going to need help. Its going to need support, and we are seeing texans come together. Were seeing americans come together to provide that support. Reporter gun control now, sir . It is an unfortunate thing that the immediate place the media goes after any tragedy, after any murder is politicizing it. We dont need politics right now. You know, i would note in new york we saw a terror attack just this week with a truck. Evil is evil is evil. And will use the weaponry available. One of the most inspirational aspects in the face of this horror was that an ordinary citizen stepped forward to engage the gunman. Heard about what was happening and just in the moments that it transpired, went got his own rifle and engaged the gunman in an active gunfire. Ive toured the crime scene just a few minutes ago. Saw where that private citizen hid behind a car and took incoming shots from the gunman behind him, and because of that individuals bravery, shot the gunman. And as a result, stopped this murder spree. I asked multiple Law Enforcement agents what would have happened had this private citizen not stepped forward to engage and to a person every Law Enforcement person i talked to said the death toll could have been much, much higher. That the reason this depraved gunman finally gave up, got in the car and fled, and didnt murder more, is precisely because one individual demonstrated bravery and courage. We need to be celebrating that bravery and courage. Celebrating the compassion and love and unity evil tragically will always be with us but so will good. Reporter and you know [ inaudible ]. I have not. Reporter [ inaudible ]. We need to change the gun laws now . It is predictable. There is a reason why there is public distrust of the media. Because the immediate focus is on a political agenda of gun control. I can say this. The private citizen who used his own rifle saved lives today. This individual was a sick, deranged murderer. And evil reporter [ inaudible ]. I support of right of individuals to defend themselves. Its a fundamental right that texans understand, to defend yourself and your family. Reporter a fine line between and this community right now is not looking to be drawn into the political circus of the National Media, debating the same issues that the National Media loves to debate. What this Community Needs and wants senator ted cruz of texas behind me taking questions from reporters after meeting with the pastor just in front of the church. I want to go to dr. Brian, the trauma medical director of University Hospital in san antonio where many of the victims, those most serious, have been getting treatment. Doctor, thanks for being with us. Can you give us an update on those still in Critical Condition . So actually the the victims of this event were actually disbursed between two Trauma Centers here in san antonio. About half of the victims went to san antonio military medical center. They received eight and they operated on four. And of those four, four remain in Critical Condition. Here at University Hospital, because we are also a pediatric level one trauma center, we received nine patients, operated on four. We unfortunately lost one of the children in the operating room. And we still have two very critical children, and one adult, and the rest of the patients remain admitted for a number of less severe injuries. Doctor, you got a program called stop the bleed. What is that about . So stop the bleed is really, its a National Initiative that came out of the, out of the white house a couple years ago. It was really the genesis of that program came out of the the, the mass shooting in connecticut at the elementary school. And essentially as has been mentioned by Law Enforcement and some of the ems providers along these series of interviews is they cant be everywhere at the same time. As were going through our daily lives, the first people to respond to any event who there may be seriously injured are going be to bystanders. Potentially our loved ones, potentially friends, potentially even strangers. So this stop the bleed is a National Initiative to teach really 300 million americans how to do basic hemorrhage control, really, to increase that window of survival to get patients that are severely injured, again, increase that window of survival to make it to a hospital. All right. Well, i know a lot of people are alive because of the work that youve done there. Thank you for joining us, a doctor of trauma, surgery in san antonio. The Vice President tweeted moments ago. He says, karen and i will travel to Sutherland Springs on wednesday to meet with families of the fallen, injured and Law Enforcement. We are wei wiith you, texas. 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Last week the former trump Campaign Officials pleaded not guilty to a 12count indictment from special counsel Robert Muellers russia investigation. The indictments center on their lobbying work from before manafort joined the trump campaign. Msnbcs Garrett Haake was at the courthouse earlier today and joins me with the latest. Garrett what is with the repeated Court Appearances first of all and what came of it . Reporter ali, this is about the defense trying to get manafort and gates off of home arrest and be able to travel. The defense says, to be able to continue to dot the