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Coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. America and everywhere around the world, the one that keeps people home from voting is as serious if not more serious. Yeah, i think thats exactly right. This is much broader than just about elections, as i mentioned earlier. Its broader than changing votes or anything like that. A lot of the activity that we see that is ongoing did not stop after 2016 and in some ways has actually grown. What we are seeing is a concerted effort to Pit Americans against one another, to make polarization more extreme. We are a pretty polarized country. But russia and others are taking advantage of that trying to turn us against each other in order to weaken us. One of the examples i cited this morning was actually of a fake page created by the Russian Internet Research Agency that used an issue like the Flint Water Crisis and Police Brutality as a way to try to influence americans views on an issue like syria. So theyre basically trying to manipulate our entire Information Ecosystem in order to weaken us. And that is as important as changing votes. Theyre both incorporate. Absolu important. Thanks for your testimony. My next guest says the architecture of facebook invites interference. The russians 2016 tactics were version 1. 0 and with look facebook may now be able to spot 1. 0style sbrerchs fainterferen early, but what about 2. 0. Joining me now is roger mcnamee, an early and current investor in facebook. Roger, youve been doing this for a long time, elevating this conversation to one that we have to understand the importance of. We certainly understand physical attacks from other countries, bombs, we understand someone hacking a system an changing a vote. We need to have greater difficulty in how we regulate the Influence Peddling that has gone on on facebooks platform. Ali, the real problem is that as individuals we love products like facebook and instagram and youtube. As a consequence, we dont want to believe there is a dark side to them. What we also fail to recognize is that the Business Model of these companies is about monopolizing our attention. And in order to do that, they want to have stuff thats really engaging. It turns out that conspiracy theories, disinformation are a lot more engaging. They get shared virally much faster and much further than photos of puppies or babies or things that make people feel happy. Thats just how it is. Were following this fight thats going on between the Koch Brothers and trump and discuss the influence that billionaires have when they buy tv ads but your also wondering what facebook does with influence campaigns run not by the troll farm in russia but actual organizations here in the United States. The problem here, ali, is that the russian playbook exposed the architectural flaws in products like facebook, instagram, youtube and twitter. Anybody can run that playbook. They can run 1. 0 very easily. The clever ones will figure out ways to advance their program. Theres several things we have to watch out for. One of the things that people have forgotten about is the Cambridge Analytica data set that was used so successfully by the trump campaign. That is a weapon with a symmetrical advantage, particularly when facebook provides support to people who use it. I think you have to expect that that will be put back into use aggressively in the midterms. So youre looking at Interest Groups in the United States well, maybe 20 some odd of people belong barack obama is a kenyan born muslim. I have said i actually am a kenyan born muslim and he was never at the meetings. The fact is facebook goes narrower and narrower. These people who abuse it go narrower and narrower. If you are one of those people and share one of those views and all of a sudden you see facebook pages that validate those views, they have got you and then they can transfer your attention to other things. They start with you when youre just curious about these ideas. What happens is they encourage you to join groups of likeminded people. When youre in groups that share curiosity about an idea, the exchange of information tends to make beliefs more rigid, more inflexib inflexible, more extreme. Thats why you see people who initially they are wondering what is this ole deal with antivax or obama and kenya. They go in just being curious, but they wind up and again, theyre on facebook at least once a day so it doesnt take very long of being inundated. When they talk about filter bubbles, this is what they talk about. Each person living in their own set of facts. Its like we have our own truman show, there are 2. 2 billion of them on facebook. Facebook complicates all this because it treats Campaign Advertising as a really important business opportunity. And so it aids campaigns. And there are ways that it does that, that create unfair advantages for candidates. They have not yet they have come out yesterday, and i thought it was really good that they came forward with those accounts that they found. The problem is, they dont have a way to stop this stuff. Not ahead of time. And theyre in the business to make it worse. Ive got to tell you, in 50 years when you look up unintended consequences in the dictionary, facebook is going to be the answer. This is supposed to make us smarter. The exchange of information is supposed to make us better and more openminded and smarter. And there are people like Laura Rosenpeberger who are out there looking out for us. The other thing is this is about Voter Suppression. We can beat Voter Suppression if everybody gets out and votes. Thats right. You can fight all of this stuff if you actually do go to the polls. Well make sure to remind everybody when thats happening. Thanks for keeping this flame alive. Roger mcnamee is an early facebook advisor and cofounder of Elevation Partners and the center for humane technology. Breaking this afternoon, a huge scam that affected people in nearly every single state. Three ukrainians are accused of stealing the records of more than 15 million Credit Card Users at more than 3,000 businesses across the country. For more on this im joined by nbcs Justice Correspondent pete williams. Pete, what do we know about the hackers . How did they get all of this info, and what do we do next . More than 100 companies targeted, 3600 locations in 47 states, all but alaska, hawaii and for some reason south dakota. 6,500 separate Point Of Sale terminals. 1,500 credit and debit card numbers taken. Some of those were used to make unauthorized purchases. Now, some of the targeted companies have in the past already admitted that they were targeted, although no one knew at the time where these attacks were coming from. Among the companies that were public about this, chipotle, chiles, casinos. Theyre all ukrainians. One of them was actually arrested we learned today in january in germany and brought to the u. S. To face trial, but that was kept secret while authorities tried to grab two more and they made subsequent arrests in poland and spain. The u. S. Is trying to get them to the u. S. To face charges here as well. But they say they did this in a fairly direct way by sending these socalled phishing emails that pretend to be a request for catering services. And when an employee clicks on a word document, that launches the malicious software. Fireeye thats been monitoring this group for a while said these people showed a remarkable skill at getting people to open these emails. They would call them up and say, hey, were going to be sending you something. Or if they dont open it, they would call them back and say didnt you get our email . How come you didnt open it. So they were remarkably adept to get people to open these emails and get their malicious attacks launched. Im not opening any more emails. Thank you, pete williams, our Justice Correspondent. President trump was in florida for a Campaign Rally last night but he forgot to bring the truth with him. It also Wasnt Waiting for him at the white house either. New analysis from the Washington Post details all the false and misleading claims that the president has made since taking office. Their frequency is increasing. Youre watching msnbc. Know what . No, what . I just switched to geico and got more. More . Got a company i can trust. Thats a heck of a lot more. Over 75 years of great savings and service. You cant argue with more. Why would ya . Geico. Expect great savings and a whole lot more. Booking a flight doesnt have to be expensive. Just go to priceline. Its the best place to book a flight a few days before my trip and still save up to 40 . Just tap and go. For the best savings on flights, go to priceline. Women of i. C. E. Are liberating communities and towns from savage gangs like ms13 that are occupying our country, like another nation would. Weve already started the wall. Weve got 1. 6 billion and weve started large portions of the wall. And if you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card. You need i. D. You need i. D. To buy groceries . Thats a mere sampling of the many lies that President Trump made last night during his rally in florida. It looks like hes making these claims more often than he used to. According to the Washington Post donald trump has made more than 4,200 such claims since he took office. Thats an average of eight false claims a day. In june and july he told an average of 16 lies a day. Joining me now, glenn kessler who keeps track of the president s false and misleading talk. Glenn, all journalists to some degree are Fact Checkers, but for many of us it was sort of a side piece of our job. All of a sudden, this has become the majority of all our work and you are the most exalted of journalists in the fulltime job. This guy is keeping you paid. Yes, yes. Its quite a lot of work to d p deep keep up that database. What does he mostly say . He seems to be very, very concentrated on collusion, on the stock market, which he says has ticked up 8 trillion in value. The biggest tax cut in american history, which i prove is false on a fairly regular basis, and the plants moving back to michigan in big numbers. Is there no consequence to the fact that he just says this stuff . You guys check him, we check him. Whats it all for . Well, we do it so that people are better informed and they can do with the information as they wish. I do think his supporters, they hear this and they believe it. So hes the interesting thing about President Trump is he really only talks to his supporters. He doesnt really particularly try to reach out to people who didnt support him. And so within that narrow audience, as you can see at the rally last night, they love these lines, even if they might realize that some of them you dont believe in Climate Change or you believe the media is always lying to you, there are a bunch of them. Once you identify with someone who validates some of your views, youre more likely to believe other things they say even if its verifiable that its false. Right. And i think that was part of the secret sauce for donald trump during the election. He said things that were not true and that most politicians would never say, but they were things that his supporters already believed. So, for instance, when he said there were millions of Illegal Immigrants flooding over the border, which is not true and migration from mexico has been going down in the last decade, his supporters will hear that and say finally theres a politician whos telling me the truth because its something they already believed. Right. Hes talking about gang groups occupying american cities. Please tweet me in a city thats being occupied by a gang. Does it mean anything more that we are Fact Checkers . Yes, i do think it means something. You know, i think the president undermines his credibility when he routinely does not tell the truth about basic factual matters. And i think that is reflected in the approval ratings. Ordinarily you would think that a president with an economy such as this right. Would have a pretty lofty approval rating. Hes still under water and part of that is politics. As i said, he doesnt really reach out to people who didnt vote for him. But i think he also undermines his credibility when he says things that simply arent true. Glenn, thanks for the work that you and your team do on behalf of journalists everywhere, keeping people honest. By the way, generally speaking, you dont need an i. D. To buy groceries in america unless youre buying something that i dont know youre buying. Coming up, President Trump has a message for Attorney General Jeff Sessions and the justice department, shut down the russia investigation. How his latest tweet could be another piece of the obstruction puzzle. Youre watching msnbc. How do you win at business . Stay at laquinta. Where were changing with contemporary makeovers. Then, use the ultimate power handshake, the upper hander with a double palm grab. Who has the upper hand now . Start winning today. Book now at lq. Com. Weve doubled our efforts. I grew up in the forests out in this area and honestly its heartbreaking to see all these trees dying. What guides me is ensuring that the public is going to be safer and that these forests can be sustained and enjoyed by the community in the future. Well, its a first for the president , at least publicly, telling the Attorney General in a tweet to stop Robert Muellers investigation immediately. As many of you probably already know, Jeff Sessions cant actually fire mueller, something several republican lawmakers were quick to remind the president. Well, the president us entitled to speak his mind. I just think as a practical matter its not possible. I dont Think General Sessions can fire mr. Mueller, i think hes recused. Should the president be sending these tweets out . Youve got to ask the president. Rudy giuliani tells nbc news that, quote, the president was expressing his opinion and no president ial order was issued or will be. The question, does this qualify as an attempt to obstruct justice . A lot of people think it does. Nbc legal analyst Danny Cevallos says not so fast. Im a defense attorney, so forgive me, but i just think that a prosecutor would really hesitate before thinking this is an indictable crime of obstruction or really an impeachable crime. First we give the highest level of First Amendment protection to politicaltype speech. Got it. And the fact that sessions could actually fire or end the investigation does go towards trumps i would say lack of ability to obstruct in this case. Were really on new ground. The notion of a president obstructing justice, the same justice that he heads as head of the Executive Branch is something weve never really dealt with before. We can talk about whether it fits into the definition of obstruction and i think reasonable minds can differ. Where the difference is, is where an actual prosecutor has to say, hmm, is this a crime that i think i can get an indictment on or, if youre a congressperson and you think could i actually impeach and convict based on this definition of obstruction. So if i were mueller and i were using this as part of a much larger case, is it better for trump that he says this kind of stuff all the time, this is crazy stuff that gets walked back by the administration, by himself hours later all the time, or does it work in muellers favor who says, see, hes been going at this forever. He keeps telling everybody it should end and may even tell the Attorney General whos it better for or worse for. Its better for mueller and heres why. Yes, its true that this Trump Tweeting has changed the dialogue and were sort of immune to the chaos now. The one thing that remains constant is the crimes code. And prosecutors looking at the crimes code will fit that kind of conduct into whatever the crimes code says it is. Whatever those elements are. So no matter how much our Immune System has built up over trumps tweets and statements, the prosecutors are business as usual. And if thats part of a piece of the puzzle in the overall picture of whats been going on the and it fits into criminal conduct, it wont hold back the prosecutor. Protesters are outside the office of john thune waiting for his meeting with nominee brett kavanaugh. Theyre all wearing shirts saying be a hero and have their fists raised in silent protest. The Trump Administration is once again going after obamacare. Today it announced a rule change for cheap shortterm health care plans. Youre probably thinking whats the problem with that . Well, these plans are aimed at Healthy People and offer very minimal coverage for low premiums. They can turn ay people with preexisting conditions. The shortterm coverage is already in place under obamacare but the way it worked is that you could only get it f thr months at a time. Now you can use this short can extend it for ng as a another two y give you three years. Unr obam it wanted to limit Healthy People from being on the cheaper option, forcing people to buy better insurance and then helping keep the price down for Pit Americans<\/a> against one another, to make polarization more extreme. We are a pretty polarized country. But russia and others are taking advantage of that trying to turn us against each other in order to weaken us. One of the examples i cited this morning was actually of a fake page created by the Russian Internet<\/a> Research Agency<\/a> that used an issue like the Flint Water Crisis<\/a> and Police Brutality<\/a> as a way to try to influence americans views on an issue like syria. So theyre basically trying to\rmanipulate our entire Information Ecosystem<\/a> in order to weaken us. And that is as important as changing votes. Theyre both incorporate. Absolu important. Thanks for your testimony. My next guest says the architecture of facebook invites interference. The russians 2016 tactics were version 1. 0 and with look facebook may now be able to spot 1. 0style sbrerchs fainterferen early, but what about 2. 0. Joining me now is roger mcnamee, an early and current investor in facebook. Roger, youve been doing this for a long time, elevating this conversation to one that we have to understand the importance of. We certainly understand physical attacks from other countries, bombs, we understand someone hacking a system an changing a vote. We need to have greater\rdifficulty in how we regulate the Influence Peddling<\/a> that has gone on on facebooks platform. Ali, the real problem is that as individuals we love products like facebook and instagram and youtube. As a consequence, we dont want to believe there is a dark side to them. What we also fail to recognize is that the Business Model<\/a> of these companies is about monopolizing our attention. And in order to do that, they want to have stuff thats really engaging. It turns out that conspiracy theories, disinformation are a lot more engaging. They get shared virally much faster and much further than photos of puppies or babies or things that make people feel happy. Thats just how it is. Were following this fight thats going on between the Koch Brothers<\/a> and trump and discuss the influence that billionaires have when they buy tv ads but your also wondering what facebook does with influence\rcampaigns run not by the troll farm in russia but actual organizations here in the United States<\/a>. The problem here, ali, is that the russian playbook exposed the architectural flaws in products like facebook, instagram, youtube and twitter. Anybody can run that playbook. They can run 1. 0 very easily. The clever ones will figure out ways to advance their program. Theres several things we have to watch out for. One of the things that people have forgotten about is the Cambridge Analytica<\/a> data set that was used so successfully by the trump campaign. That is a weapon with a symmetrical advantage, particularly when facebook provides support to people who use it. I think you have to expect that that will be put back into use aggressively in the midterms. So youre looking at Interest Groups<\/a> in the United States<\/a> well, maybe 20 some odd of people belong barack obama is a\rkenyan born muslim. I have said i actually am a kenyan born muslim and he was never at the meetings. The fact is facebook goes narrower and narrower. These people who abuse it go narrower and narrower. If you are one of those people and share one of those views and all of a sudden you see facebook pages that validate those views, they have got you and then they can transfer your attention to other things. They start with you when youre just curious about these ideas. What happens is they encourage you to join groups of likeminded people. When youre in groups that share curiosity about an idea, the exchange of information tends to make beliefs more rigid, more inflexib inflexible, more extreme. Thats why you see people who initially they are wondering what is this ole deal with\rantivax or obama and kenya. They go in just being curious, but they wind up and again, theyre on facebook at least once a day so it doesnt take very long of being inundated. When they talk about filter bubbles, this is what they talk about. Each person living in their own set of facts. Its like we have our own truman show, there are 2. 2 billion of them on facebook. Facebook complicates all this because it treats Campaign Advertising<\/a> as a really important business opportunity. And so it aids campaigns. And there are ways that it does that, that create unfair advantages for candidates. They have not yet they have come out yesterday, and i thought it was really good that they came forward with those accounts that they found. The problem is, they dont have a way to stop this stuff. Not ahead of time. And theyre in the business to make it worse. Ive got to tell you, in 50 years when you look up\runintended consequences in the dictionary, facebook is going to be the answer. This is supposed to make us smarter. The exchange of information is supposed to make us better and more openminded and smarter. And there are people like Laura Rosenpeberger<\/a> who are out there looking out for us. The other thing is this is about Voter Suppression<\/a>. We can beat Voter Suppression<\/a> if everybody gets out and votes. Thats right. You can fight all of this stuff if you actually do go to the polls. Well make sure to remind everybody when thats happening. Thanks for keeping this flame alive. Roger mcnamee is an early facebook advisor and cofounder of Elevation Partners<\/a> and the center for humane technology. Breaking this afternoon, a huge scam that affected people in nearly every single state. Three ukrainians are accused of stealing the records of more than 15 million Credit Card Users<\/a> at more than 3,000 businesses across the country. For more on this im joined by nbcs Justice Correspondent<\/a> pete\rwilliams. Pete, what do we know about the hackers . How did they get all of this info, and what do we do next . More than 100 companies targeted, 3600 locations in 47 states, all but alaska, hawaii and for some reason south dakota. 6,500 separate Point Of Sale<\/a> terminals. 1,500 credit and debit card numbers taken. Some of those were used to make unauthorized purchases. Now, some of the targeted companies have in the past already admitted that they were targeted, although no one knew at the time where these attacks were coming from. Among the companies that were public about this, chipotle, chiles, casinos. Theyre all ukrainians. One of them was actually arrested we learned today in january in germany and brought to the u. S. To face trial, but that was kept secret while\rauthorities tried to grab two more and they made subsequent arrests in poland and spain. The u. S. Is trying to get them to the u. S. To face charges here as well. But they say they did this in a fairly direct way by sending these socalled phishing emails that pretend to be a request for catering services. And when an employee clicks on a word document, that launches the malicious software. Fireeye thats been monitoring this group for a while said these people showed a remarkable skill at getting people to open these emails. They would call them up and say, hey, were going to be sending you something. Or if they dont open it, they would call them back and say didnt you get our email . How come you didnt open it. So they were remarkably adept to get people to open these emails and get their malicious attacks\rlaunched. Im not opening any more emails. Thank you, pete williams, our Justice Correspondent<\/a>. President trump was in florida for a Campaign Rally<\/a> last night but he forgot to bring the truth with him. It also Wasnt Waiting<\/a> for him at the white house either. New analysis from the Washington Post<\/a> details all the false and misleading claims that the president has made since taking office. Their frequency is increasing. Youre watching msnbc. Know what . No, what . I just switched to geico and got more. More . Got a company i can trust. Thats a heck of a lot more. Over 75 years of great savings and service. You cant argue with more. Why would ya . Geico. Expect great savings and a whole lot more. Booking a flight doesnt have to be expensive. Just go to priceline. Its the best place to book a flight a few days before my trip and still save up to 40 . Just tap and go. For the best savings on flights, go to priceline. Women of i. C. E. Are liberating communities and towns from savage gangs like ms13 that are occupying our country, like another nation would. Weve already started the wall. Weve got 1. 6 billion and weve started large portions of the wall. And if you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card. You need i. D. You need i. D. To buy groceries . Thats a mere sampling of the many lies that President Trump<\/a> made last night during his rally in florida. It looks like hes making these claims more often than he used to. According to the Washington Post<\/a> donald trump has made more than 4,200 such claims since he took office. Thats an average of eight false claims a day. In june and july he told an average of 16 lies a day. Joining me now, glenn kessler\rwho keeps track of the president s false and misleading talk. Glenn, all journalists to some degree are Fact Checkers<\/a>, but for many of us it was sort of a side piece of our job. All of a sudden, this has become the majority of all our work and you are the most exalted of journalists in the fulltime job. This guy is keeping you paid. Yes, yes. Its quite a lot of work to d p deep keep up that database. What does he mostly say . He seems to be very, very concentrated on collusion, on the stock market, which he says has ticked up 8 trillion in value. The biggest tax cut in american history, which i prove is false on a fairly regular basis, and the plants moving back to michigan in big numbers. Is there no consequence to the fact that he just says this stuff . You guys check him, we check him. Whats it all for . Well, we do it so that people are better informed and they can do with the information as they wish. I do think his supporters, they hear this and they believe it. So hes the interesting thing about President Trump<\/a> is he really only talks to his supporters. He doesnt really particularly try to reach out to people who didnt support him. And so within that narrow audience, as you can see at the rally last night, they love these lines, even if they might realize that some of them you dont believe in Climate Change<\/a> or you believe the media is always lying to you, there are a bunch of them. Once you identify with someone who validates some of your views, youre more likely to believe other things they say even if its verifiable that its false. Right. And i think that was part of the secret sauce for donald trump during the election. He said things that were not true and that most politicians would never say, but they were things that his supporters already believed. So, for instance, when he said there were millions of Illegal Immigrants<\/a> flooding over the border, which is not true and migration from mexico has been going down in the last decade, his supporters will hear that and say finally theres a politician whos telling me the truth because its something they already believed. Right. Hes talking about gang groups occupying american cities. Please tweet me in a city thats being occupied by a gang. Does it mean anything more that we are Fact Checkers<\/a> . Yes, i do think it means\rsomething. You know, i think the president undermines his credibility when he routinely does not tell the truth about basic factual matters. And i think that is reflected in the approval ratings. Ordinarily you would think that a president with an economy such as this right. Would have a pretty lofty approval rating. Hes still under water and part of that is politics. As i said, he doesnt really reach out to people who didnt vote for him. But i think he also undermines his credibility when he says things that simply arent true. Glenn, thanks for the work that you and your team do on behalf of journalists everywhere, keeping people honest. By the way, generally speaking, you dont need an i. D. To buy groceries in america unless youre buying something that i dont know youre buying. Coming up, President Trump<\/a> has a message for Attorney General<\/a> Jeff Sessions<\/a> and the justice department, shut down the russia investigation. How his latest tweet could be\ranother piece of the obstruction puzzle. Youre watching msnbc. How do you win at business . Stay at laquinta. Where were changing with contemporary makeovers. Then, use the ultimate power handshake, the upper hander with a double palm grab. Who has the upper hand now . Start winning today. Book now at lq. Com. Weve doubled our efforts. I grew up in the forests out in this area and honestly its heartbreaking to see all these trees dying. What guides me is ensuring that the public is going to be safer and that these forests can be sustained and enjoyed by the community in the future. Well, its a first for the president , at least publicly, telling the Attorney General<\/a> in a tweet to stop Robert Muellers<\/a> investigation immediately. As many of you probably already know, Jeff Sessions<\/a> cant actually fire mueller, something several republican lawmakers were quick to remind the president. Well, the president us entitled to speak his mind. I just think as a practical matter its not possible. I dont Think General Sessions<\/a> can fire mr. Mueller, i think hes recused. Should the president be sending these tweets out . Youve got to ask the president. Rudy giuliani tells nbc news that, quote, the president was expressing his opinion and no president ial order was issued or will be. The question, does this qualify as an attempt to obstruct justice . A lot of people think it does. Nbc legal analyst Danny Cevallos<\/a> says not so fast. Im a defense attorney, so forgive me, but i just think that a prosecutor would really hesitate before thinking this is an indictable crime of obstruction or really an impeachable crime. First we give the highest level of First Amendment<\/a> protection to politicaltype speech. Got it. And the fact that sessions could actually fire or end the investigation does go towards trumps i would say lack of ability to obstruct in this case. Were really on new ground. The notion of a president obstructing justice, the same justice that he heads as head of the Executive Branch<\/a> is something weve never really dealt with before. We can talk about whether it fits into the definition of obstruction and i think reasonable minds can differ. Where the difference is, is where an actual prosecutor has to say, hmm, is this a crime that i think i can get an indictment on or, if youre a congressperson and you think could i actually impeach and convict based on this definition of obstruction. So if i were mueller and i were using this as part of a much larger case, is it better for trump that he says this kind of stuff all the time, this is crazy stuff that gets walked back by the administration, by himself hours later all the time, or does it work in muellers favor who says, see,\rhes been going at this forever. He keeps telling everybody it should end and may even tell the Attorney General<\/a> whos it better for or worse for. Its better for mueller and heres why. Yes, its true that this Trump Tweeting<\/a> has changed the dialogue and were sort of immune to the chaos now. The one thing that remains constant is the crimes code. And prosecutors looking at the crimes code will fit that kind of conduct into whatever the crimes code says it is. Whatever those elements are. So no matter how much our Immune System<\/a> has built up over trumps tweets and statements, the prosecutors are business as usual. And if thats part of a piece of the puzzle in the overall picture of whats been going on the and it fits into criminal conduct, it wont hold back the prosecutor. Protesters are outside the office of john thune waiting for his meeting with nominee brett kavanaugh. Theyre all wearing shirts saying be a hero and have their fists raised in silent protest. The Trump Administration<\/a> is once again going after obamacare. Today it announced a rule change for cheap shortterm health care plans. Youre probably thinking whats the problem with that . Well, these plans are aimed at Healthy People<\/a> and offer very minimal coverage for low premiums. They can turn ay people with preexisting conditions. The shortterm coverage is already in place under obamacare but the way it worked is that you could only get it f thr months at a time. Now you can use this short can extend it for ng as a another two y give you three years. Unr obam it wanted to limit Healthy People<\/a> from being on the cheaper option, forcing people to buy better insurance and then helping keep the price down for Everybo Becau You<\/a> had the economy o scale. So the Trump Administration<\/a> is trying to get people off obamacare to create Instability Anigher<\/a> pres,e president being , hase always doe anyway, that obamacare is failing. Relaim of his during\rthe campaign and in his ndof for more on all of this, im joined by dr. Patel, a practicing physician at johns hopkins. She was also a Senior Advisor<\/a> under Valerie Jarrett<\/a> and helped with the crafting of the Affordable Care<\/a> act. The biggest thing for a lot of people in the Affordable Care<\/a> act was that there were several things that you couldnt be prevented from getting it because of preexisting conditions and there are several things that it had to cover. Insurance had to cover. These little cheapy plans basically cost you nothing and heres a box of bandaids in case you hurt your knee. Absolutely, ali. The biggest things that they do not cover these plans, as you mention, have existed for a long time. In fact you could say this is actually what health care looked like if you didnt have Health Insurance<\/a> through an employer, for example. And almost 100 of them dont cover maternity care. So if you get pregnant, good luck. And a majority of them do not\rcover any Prescription Drug<\/a> coverage or any Mental Health<\/a> coverage. Thats just to name a few things. So they are absolutely cheaper, but this is one of those cases where you get what you pay for. Unfortunately, americans are going to be paying for a lot of it. And by the way, the Trump Administration<\/a> is going to be paying 30 billion with a b to actually support these plans when what they should do is use some of that money to help make it cheaper for americans to buy better Quality Health<\/a> care. By the way, america is the only developed country where people declare bankruptcy more because of medical bills than anything else. If you work for an institution, ive got amazing, amazing, Amazing Health<\/a> care and thats why a lot of working americans dont understand the problem. But if you dont have insurance through your work and you go back to the preobamacare days, this is a problem. Most people couldnt afford health care that actually allows you to go to the doctor, get pregnant, get medication, things\rlike that. Right. And youre seeing its exactly what weve been fearing. Instead of repealing and replacing the Affordable Care<\/a> act, theyre essentially taking away all the really important parts of it. Took away the individual mandate during the tax bill that passed. Taking away these protections and things called reinsurance risk corridor payments. The list is going on and on. And its making it just harder for Everyday Americans<\/a> to get real health care. The bottom line, though, is this administration has effectively hobbled much of obamacare at this point. Correct. And the real challenge is going to be, you know, weve got a slate of democrats who are trying to take office and turn the house and the senate and possibly the white house in several years. What are we going to do to build back up and how are we going to give americans, because in a couple of years, my fear is that Health Care Costs<\/a> are going to be so outrageous, we cant just\rbandaid this back together. American Health Care Costs<\/a> per capita are the highest in the developed world and we dont get better results as a result of it. Thanks again, well talk more about this. Dr. Patel is a fellow tt Brookings Institution<\/a> and a practicing physician with john hopkins medicine. President trump is patting himself on the back when it comes to the new steel tariffs, but how successful are they actually . Well get a Reality Check<\/a> of whats happening thanks to the president s widespread tariffs and hear how americans whose livelihoods depends on these crippled industries are reactsing. Youre watching msnbc. In a study with ozempic\u00ae, a majority of adults lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than seven and maintained it. Oh under seven . vo and you may lose weight. In the same oneyear study, adults lost on average up to 12 pounds. 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An 18 spike in prices has doubled profits for some companies, but that kind of prosperity comes at a cost to other industries that rely on steel imports. So for facts sake, lets have a closer look. Trumps tariffs and the retaliation could add 26,000 jobs in steel and aluminum manufacturing. But those jobs come at a cost of possibly 500,000 jobs across the rest of the economy. That would be a net loss of nearly 470,000 jobs. For example, the Auto Industry<\/a> could lose between 18,000 and 40,000 jobs by the end of next year. The Solar Panel Industry<\/a> could lose at least 23,000 jobs this year. 134,000 jobs could be lost due to tariffs on chinese imports and retaliatory duties on u. S. Exports. 67,000 of them in agriculture alone. The administration plans to spend 12 billion to boost the nations agricultural sector, but if it compensated for losses across all affected industries, the price tag could balloon to 39 billion. Now, in some cases the administrations tariff policies can both help and hurt the very same business. In the small town of clyde, ohio, just one of the many communities caught up in the middle of the president s trade war. Garrett haake recently visited clyde and he joins us now with more on the situation there. Talk to me about whats going on in clyde and how the people there view this trade war,\rgarrett. Reporter clyde is where the u. S. biggest manufacturer of Washing Machines<\/a> is based. This ought to be boom time for them. The economy is humming, people are buying houses, they are buying appliances, they never run out of dirty clothes. But they are caught in this Tug Of War On Trade<\/a> and that has everyone in this small town keeping a very nervous eye on what washington does next. Welcome to whirlpool county, clyde, ohio. Population 6,000. Clyde whirlpool plant, population 3,000. What i think theyre invested in the community too. Whirlpool goes, clyde goes. Reporter the citys Finance Director<\/a> says twothirds of his budget comes from taxes paid by whirlpool, its workers and the businesses that work with it. Were standing in a park sponsored by whirlpools foundation. Is this indicative of just how deep their roots are here in clyde . I would say yes. Obviously with whirlpool being here 65 plus years, like i keep saying, theyre definitely\rentrenched in what they do here. Reporter so you can imagine how thrilled folks here were when President Trump<\/a> announced in january that he was slapping 20 tariffs on imported Washing Machines<\/a>. Our companies will not be taken advantage of anymore. Reporter sticking it to whirlpools biggest foreign competitors, like lg and samsung. On a call with investors, the companys ceo called it without a doubt a positive catalyst for whirlpool. But in march, new tariffs, this time on imported steel and aluminum, hit his company where it hurts. The supply chain. This Washing Machine<\/a> was built in clyde and a lot of it was made of steel and aluminum. The body, the trim, and even the wash tub. Data from Financial Analysis<\/a> firm shows prices of Whirlpool Washers<\/a> creeping up, as its stock price slides. Bill owns the rv lot across from the plant. He depends on whirlpool too. How important is that plant to this town . Oh, its huge. Its huge to the neighboring\rtowns. I mean if anything happened to that plant, this would be a ghost town. Reporter a ghost town . It would be very tough, yeah. Reporter the company wouldnt let us talk to anyone on camera. In fact workers we met told us they were not not to talk to reporters at all. But the company has had lots to say about this issue. The ceo vowed to take the right action for the business. In a lengthy at the same time to msnbc, the company said in short, the net impact of all remedies and tariffs has turned into a headwind for us. Now, this community is watching to see what whirlpool and what the president do in the face of that headwind. Clydes future depends on it. Do you trust him on this . Well, it gets a little tougher every day, but i have to have faith. I have faith. Reporter ali, this county went for barack obama twice and then it swung bigly to donald trump in 2016. The folks i talk to there still have faith in the president that\rthis is a negotiating tactic, that this is something they will get through. As i said, they are keeping a very close eye on what he does next. Interesting conundrum there. They benefit from some of it and loses from some of it. Garrett haake for us on capitol hill. The old saying dont bite the hand that feeds you. Today the president took a big bite attacking two of the biggest money men in republican politics. What he said, why hes doing it and the impact it has on the Balance Of Power<\/a> in congress. This is msnbc. Emporary makeove. 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Learn more about why you should choose an aarp Medicare Supplement<\/a> plan. Call today for a free guide. Obstruction of justice thing is nonsense. If he wanted to obstruct it he could obstruct it, just end it. Then youd battle whether he has the legal right to do that which i think he does, but hes not going to do that. Hes made it clear that he wants it to run its course, but on the other hand, he is a person with a First Amendment<\/a> right to defend himself, First Amendment<\/a> right to express his opinion, and as a president , it is even more important that he express his opinion because these kinds of allegations can do damage to the country, not just to the particular the president. And if he believes hes innocent and he is innocent, he should speak out. You said the other day that well keep monitoring that for you. Weve heard so much about the political bickering between donald trump and charles and david koch. Lets talk about how their massive empire intersects with all of our lives. Lets do it by meeting jane. Lets follow jane through her day as she interacts with koch industry products. Jane wakes up, shes had a good night sleep in meredith mattress\rmade of memory foam made by their company in vista. She swings her feet out of the bed and a company like shaw atlas. She grabs her shirt and yoga pants from lululemon. They both contain lie kra, a material made by invista. Lie kra, she grabs her jeans, j. D. Williams. Hollister, theyre marketed as having cool max technology. Both of those in vista, a koch brand. Shes not really thinking about the brand behind the material because she has to get her kids off to school. She makes sure they take their back packs, from fila, north face, jansport. They have fabric made by invista, made by koch. She gets in her car. The windshield is made by Guardian Glass<\/a>, green tint, paint by Srg Zbloeglobal<\/a> as are\rbelts in the engine. Guardian industries, a koch company. At work, more Guardian Glass<\/a> on the companys building. Its g its good for temperature regulation. Chic, hard woods floors, georgiapacific wood, another koch brand. The cables linking up her computer conveniently, invista products, koch company. She has errands to run, heads to the grocery store, bread, corn, wheat, corn on the cob using koch fertilizer. Gets home, nice house, sturdily built. Made of georgiapacific lumber. Inside her son is doing his homework. The usb hub on the computer hes using made by molex, koch company. Her daughter is listening to music padded with foam, koch. Koch produced memory foam, exhausted from another long day. Theres a lot more, jane interacts with the world as you do, there are going to be things made by koch industries. Joining me now from the Washington Post<\/a> is Sean Sullivan<\/a> who has not been following the koch industry as much but the story of this spat between the koches and donald trump. Sean, this feud, how did it start . Well, this is a pretty remarkable feud when you think about it. You have powerful conservative interests on one side of the party and then the leader of the party. Basically at open warfare with each other. This is a feud that dates back really to the 2016 campaign. It has not been a secret that the Koch Brothers<\/a> who are more traditional republicans do not espouse the same sort of views that donald trump does and what we saw over the past weekend when the koch network had their donor summit is we really saw the tensions reach a new high and the network and its officials basically express openly its disagreement with President Trump<\/a> and its unwillingness to back some\rcandidates that have aligned themselves with him. So, a pretty remarkable feud when you think about this. Two powerful conservative interests kind of, you know, going at each other in a really, really public way. You just dont see this kind of thing all the time in politics. The koches, like many other industrialists, like tax cuts. They like Corporate Tax<\/a> cuts, the deregulation that donald trump is putting in. Its valuable to them, worth a lot of money. On the other hand, the koches and their group have certain positions, including on immigration, other social issues, and increasingly on trade that put them at odds with the president. Average republicans are getting caught in the middle here. They really are. Theyre being forced to choose. I talked to a lot of republican officials, strategists, lawmakers yesterday. The conclusion that i heard from them was that this was about sending a message. This was the koch network telling republicans, look, if you want to side with donald trump on trade, if you want to side with him on immigration, youre free to do that, but its\rnot costfree. It will come at some sort of penalty, and you will not have our support and we saw that, indeed, in one instance, congressman kevin cramer who trump personally recruited to run for the senate in north dakota. The koch network said look, were not is going to support this candidate. We dont care the rest of the party is behind him. Theyre showing there are consequence to aligning talk about the consequence. Americans for prosperity, this Organization Associated<\/a> with the koches, is active in 37 different states, including north dakota. Are we clear on what the cost is . Because the koches didnt really support donald trump for president and there are a lot of people who argue, donald trump in the beginning parts of his campaign managed without the traditional support of big republican money. Thats a very good point. You know, its not clear that this will come at a cost of a certain dollar amount, millions of dollars. Its hard to track because, fwhun, the koch network has a\rcouple groups. In addition to afp and they are spending at Different Levels<\/a> and different places around the country, they have a nonprofit arm. Right. They have various different avenues so its hard to track. A lot of republicans a long time feared getting cross wise with the koch network. They dont want to be on the wrong side of them. So there is something still in the Republican Party<\/a> that shows that they have an influence over a lot of lawmakers and its made them kind of try to do this Balancing Act Where They Dont Anger Trump<\/a> too much but they Dont Anger The Koch Network<\/a> too much. Thats becoming increasingly hard to do. Its not impossible right now. Sean, good to talk to you on this. Thanks for joining us, thank for your reporting, a reporter with the Washington Post<\/a>. A store we brought yesterday, a federal judge blocked the plans from 3d guns being made available today following a lawsuit by eight states attorneys general. The company that published the blueprints defense distributed of texas, plan to release the plans but todays ruling puts\rthat settlement on hold. The creator of the 3d printed gun said he plans to appeal the judges order, maybe even taking his case all the way to the supreme court. And we heard from the Federal Reserve<\/a> today about Interest Rates<\/a> and the state of the u. S. Economy. The fed in a regularly scheduled meeting this afternoon did not raise Interest Rates<\/a>, but it did refer to the u. S. Economy as strong. Five separate times in the statement. It reinforced expectations that it is going to raise Interest Rates<\/a> one quarter of a percentage. 2 more times this year. This is important because Mortgage Rates<\/a> are not set by the fed. Theyre set by the bond market. But they do tend to move in lockstep. If youre in the market for a home or a refinance, a 30year fixed mortgage, if you put 20 down and you have good credit runs you about 4. 4 if you were to lock in today. You could probably expect it to be closer to 5 by years end, all things being equal. And we dont know that all things are equal. But if they were equal you could\rexpect an increase in your home mortgage. By the way, some of you have adjustable rates on other loans. Those, too, will go up. So the Fed Didnt Raise<\/a> rates today, but the expectation is that they will raise rates. Lets see how that what the reaction is on the stock market. You can see there the market started off in the green and ended up turning downward as a result. But cnbc says this is not about the feds comments. Its actually about renewed trade worries. There is a Conference Call<\/a> going on right now at the white house about possibly increasing tariffs on china. All right. Well keep a close eye on all of that for you. This news packed hour has come to a close for me. Ill see you here tomorrow at 11 00 a. M. Eastern with Stephanie Ruhle<\/a> and again at 3 00 p. M. Thank you for watching. Deadline white house with Nicolle Wallace<\/a> starts right now. Hi, everyone. Its 4 00 in new york. As part of his Obstruction Of Justice Inquiry Into<\/a> donald trump, special Counsel Robert Mueller<\/a> wants to ask the president what discussions he","publisher":{"@type":"Organization","name":"archive.org","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","width":"800","height":"600","url":"https:\/\/vimarsana.com\/images\/vimarsana-bigimage.jpg"}},"autauthor":{"@type":"Organization"},"author":{"sameAs":"archive.org","name":"archive.org"}}],"coverageEndTime":"20240618T12:35:10+00:00"}