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Gillibrand condemned the raids. Kids are coming home from their first day of school to find out a parent has been taken away. Its inhumane, its unconscionable, its wrong, and it doesnt make us safer. It actually undermines local Law Enforcement. They wont actually be able to do their jobs. So this is all for President Trumps political points. We begin our coverage with Julia Ainsley. Julia, we know that hundreds of the workers who were detained have now been released. Why have they Blood Pressure ee reporter its not because they can necessarily move on with their lives as normal, ali. They have a court date in the future. Now because we have a backlog in this country of over 800,000 immigrants waiting for their day in court, it could be a long time before they actually face any charges or would have to be deported. But it doesnt change the fact that they are now living in fear and would have a very hard time, near impossible time, of trying to go back to work and make a living for their families. Then the other half, about 380 are detained. We dont know if maybe they could be released after they are processed or if they already have been processed and theyre being detained. Again, ali, a reason why they cant detain everywhere involved in a huge sweep like this is often they just dont have the space for it. Its something that we said would be a huge hindrance when the president said he would try to deport millions in a single week. That there are logistical challenges here. And thats why theyve been released but it doesnt change the fear in this community. Julia, what comes next for these workers and their employers . I mean, does somebody replace them . Are the employers charged with anything . So two very different realities today for the employees versus the employers. We understand like you said 680 employees rounded up facing charges, possible deportation. What comes next for the employers . Not clear. It could be that they are just fined with a civil penalty. Perhaps a criminal charge, perhaps nothing. The u. S. Attorney for the Southern District of mississippi yesterday said in a press conference that he hoped these raids served as a message to employers who hire undocumented workers. But then when asked, well, will they be charged . He declined to comment. So that remains very much in question. Sometimes employers can cooperate with i. C. E. To allow them access to their facilities knowing full and well that when their workers come to work in the morning, they wont be going home to their families in the afternoon. Thanks very much. Joining us now to continue the conversation is john, he is a former acting director of u. S. Immigration and customs enforcement. He is also a Founding Partner of the Frontier Solutions which provides Government Affairs and Communications Expertise specializing in Homeland Security and immigration. John, fogood to see you again. What do you make of this . Its a tremendous drain of i. C. E. Resources. We have pulled 600 special agents from across the country. These are agents who are working on highspeed criminal investigations involving National Security, Child Exploitation and moved them in here so we could make 600 arrests. A number of these people have already been released. I would anticipate more are going to be released in the near future, a, because there is no bed space because of the situation at the border. But also because theyre eligible for bond. I really do think its legitimate to ask was this worth it from a Law Enforcement perspective when there are, you know, much higher value Public Safety targets we could be going after. So this is the interesting point. Much higher value Public Safety targets. Thats actually what the Trump Administration had said. I remember john kelly when he was dhs secretary interviewing him about this, and he said regular people who are here illegally are not going to be priorities for arrests and deportation. That is going to go to what the president called bad ombres, murderers, drug dealers, things like that. That does seem to have seen a shift. That priority seems to have shifted here to people who were fully employed participants with their kids enrolled in the local schools. Thats the issue when you conduct these workside raids. I dont have a problem with them going after these employers. I am hearing some rumors going out that maybe these were exploited employers. But they dont have to arrest all of the workers when they do that. And the biggest problem is exactly what you just said. If youre looking for highvalue targets or bad hombres, the last place youre going to find them is a workplace like this. Ms13 guys dont go in and punch 8 hours a day. Its a separate issue if theyre entitled to work in the United States. But if youre saying that i. C. E. Has limited resources to only remove less than 2,000 people a year, is it best or should we be looking at those who are causing havoc in the country . Talk to me about the kids. Some of them may have been born in the United States. Many of them were at school. How does i. C. E. Think about that when they arrest people at a worksite, how do you consider whether or not theyre caregivers to a child . Well, listen. That was a critical piece of the analysis during the Obama Administration when i was at i. C. E. So if we conducted an operation like this, frankly, we wouldnt have raised the resources to make the big splashy 600 arrests. We would have taken those individuals who had serious criminal convictions or Public Safety threat. But even under that population, theres a second analysis that would need to be conducted which is are you the sole caregiver of children, do you have vulnerable minor children, do you have vulnerable sometimes its not just children, there could be sick relatives or elderly parents they are taking care of. I suspect that were going to find that these released that theyre making now are really based on available detention space or other factors. Lets hope that they are doing some screening and sending some of those people home who have children. Listen, you dont need to say that youre going easy on these people ed. You can keep them in deportation proceedings. Just send them home so they can take care of their kids and they can go through the deportation proceedings out of custody from home. So tell me about that because i think the average person doesnt really know the difference between one of these arrests and raids and the deportation process as Julia Ainsley said that theres a remarkable backlog of the hearings that these people go through. But what happens now . They were arrested, many of them have been released to home. They will in some fashion go on with their lives. I assume they dont go back to work for the place that they were just raided at. No. They wont be going back to work there. But so each individual will be assessed. Heres the troubling thing. Some percentage of these people were probably caught by the Border Patrol when they first came into the United States. Often times its ten, 15 years ago. They lived they were sent home at that time. They came back the very next day. Theyve been here eever since. The thing is, though, legally because they had been previously deported a lot of times i. C. E. Can do whats called a reenstatement of removal order. And that allows them to put them in a plane and send them back to their home country without going through an immigration judge. That is what i. C. E. Is likely to do. The rest of the population because they have not been previously deported have to see an immigration judge. Right now we have over a million pending cases with only about 350 immigration judges. You could see how that process could take years. The administration has chosen not to really surge resources into the immigration courts. But a byproduct of that is they have no ability to hold these people for as long as it will take for their hearings so a lot of them will get home. John, thanks as always for helping us understand these issues. He is a former acting director of i. C. E. We are also allergy more about the impact that President Trumps immigration crackdown has had on people who have already been deported. 41yearold jimmy died yesterday after the United States deported him to iraq earlier this year. He was an Iraqi National born in greece who came to the United States as a child. He had never lived in iraq, didnt even speak arabic. His lawyer reportedly said he died because he couldnt get insulin for his diabetes. We now know that the el paso shooters mother called texas police weeks before the mass murder took place. What she told Law Enforcement next. Plus, nearly 20 states have implemented socalled red flag laws to help reduce the number of gun owners who pose a risk to themselves and others. More on the pushback that advocates are receiving despite what looks to be a National Crisis in the United States. You are watching msnbc. Family is all together and we switched to geico; saved money on our boat insurance. How could it get any better than this . Dad, i just caught a goldfish theres no goldfish in this lake. Whoa its pure gold. Were gonna be rich. Were gonna be rich it only gets better when you switch and save with geico. Corey is living with metastatic Breast Cancer, which is Breast Cancer that has spread to other parts of her body. Shes also taking ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor, which is for postmenopausal women or for men with hr her2 metastatic Breast Cancer as the first hormonal based therapy. Ibrance plus letrozole was significantly more effective at delaying disease progression versus letrozole. Patients taking ibrance can develop low white blood cell counts, which may cause serious infections that can lead to death. Before taking ibrance, tell your doctor if you have fever, chills, or other signs of infection, liver or kidney problems, are pregnant, breastfeeding, or plan to become pregnant. Common side effects include low red blood cell and low platelet counts, infections, tiredness, nausea, sore mouth, abnormalities in liver blood tests, diarrhea, hair thinning or loss, vomiting, rash, and loss of appetite. Corey calls it her new normal because a lot has changed, but a lot hasnt. Ask your doctor about ibrance. The 1 prescribed fdaapproved oral Combination Treatment for hr her2 mbc. Oral Combination Treatment from the 5am wakers, to the 6am sleepers. Everyone uses their phone differently and in different places. Thats why Xfinity Mobile created a Wireless Network that auto connects you to millions of secure wifi hot spots. And the best lte everywhere else. Xfinity mobile is a different kind of Wireless Network designed to save you money. Save up to 400 a year on your wireless bill. Plus get 250 back when you buy an eligible phone. Click, call or visit a store today. There are questions surrounding possible warning signs that were flagd before the suspected gunman terrorized a walmart in el paso, texas. Attorneys representing the suspects family told cnn that his mother contacted police in allen, texas, weeks before her 21yearold sons attack. During that call, she allegedly raised concerns about him owning an aktype gun because of his age, maturity level, and lack of experience. The Attorney Says the mans mother was transferred to a Public Safety officer who told her that based on her description, her son who had no criminal history or recorded Mental Health issues was legally allowed to own the weapon. The attorneys made clear that the mothers inquiry was, quote, informational in nature. She didnt explicitly say that her son posed a threat. They also said the woman did not provide her name or her sons name during the call and that police did not seek any Additional Information before the call colluded. One of the attorneys confirmed to nbc news that the details in the cnn report are correct. Now with this in mind, socalled red flag laws might not have helped prevent this tragedy based on just that call. Red flag laws essentially allow a person to seek a court order giving police the power to temporarily remove firearms from those who pose an extreme danger to themselves or others. So far, red flag measures have been enacted in 17 states. Texas is not one of them. Lawmakers as well as the president are now looking into extending them on a federal level. Ohios republican governor is now calling on his gop state legislature to pass those laws after being shouted at by protesters and mourners to, quote, do something. Nbc Senior National correspondent kate snow explains how the red flag laws work. Reporter as communities grieve and demand action, republican senator Lindsay Graham says he plans to introduce a socalled red flag bill with support from democrats and the president. We are trying to get guns out of the hands of people who are dangerous who actually may kill themselves or somebody else. Reporter red flag laws already exist in 17 states. They allow someone to seek an extreme Risk Protection order that enables police to temporarily seize weapons from a person whos a danger to themselves or others. Are there any firearms in this house reporter in indiana, all these guns were confiscated in a fourmonth period. My son lives with paranoid schizophrenia, and when he is not on his medication he becomes incredibly aggressive and violent. Maine, the state voted against the measure last year. Her son is doing well right now, but twice shes had to figure out how to keep weapons out of his home. If you had a way to call the police and make sure your son didnt have a firearm, what would that do for you . Well, that would give me some peace of mind for sure that he wasnt going to hurt himself or anyone else. It would also instill a lot of anxiety on what was going to happen to him afterwards. Reporter the nra does not outright oppose red flag laws but wants due process protections. They dont have a chance to defend themselves. They dont have a plan to plead their case. Reporter and concerns of a different kind from the Senate Democratic leader who called the proposed red flag measure tepid and not merely enough. Kate snow joins me now. Kate, lets just talk about this. Texas is not one of the states with one of these laws. If it did have a red flag law, would that mothers phone call have been treated any differently . Well, it really depends on what exactly she said. If she called and said im really worried that he might be a threat to himself and others and they did have such a law as a red flag law, maybe they would have said to her, listen, maam, if you want you can go to court and you can file for whats called a temporary extreme Risk Protection order. And at first its a temporary thing, so i could go and get one in a couple of days without the and it lasts for a short amount of time. Thats right, usually two or three weeks at first. So they will remove the weapon or weapons. And then theres a due process, right . Then every state is different. Ive got a whole thing a ream of materials here about each states law. But basically the way it usually works is that after that temporary order, then you have a hearing where actually again usually the person doesnt have to im sorry. The person does come at that hearing, the second hearing, the person comes and can defend themselves. And then the judge decides whether its going to be extended and usually they last six months in some states, a year in most of the states that have these laws. So theres no skirting the due process in this. I guess my question is, if a mother i dont know how many mothers are happy with their kids having an ak47 at the age of 21. Is that enough . Is that enough to cause if the mother says its not a threat, i just dont like the fact that my son is not very mature, and hes got this big gun. Probably not. Im not a lawyer, but based on the understanding of these laws, you have to proactively go out and seek this kind of order because somebodys possibly dangerous to themselves. And, by the way, so far theres not a lot of evidence about these laws. We talked to doctors yesterday, medical doctors to try to figure out if theres research to show that these laws work. So far they have done research that shows preliminariarily that it reduces suicides. When you think about it, most firearms in this country are not used in mass shootings. They might be used for suicides. I think twothirds of gun deaths is suicides. I mentioned that the president expressed some possibility of supporting a red flag law nationally thats being put forward by senator Lindsay Graham. Its not really a National Red Flag law. Well, in that, and he has explained this, it would be a grant program. So, it wouldnt change the law federally. It would say states, you should all change your laws, well give you grant money if you change your law. So it encouraged more states to do what the 17 have already done. But there has been movement. The gun safety folks sort of say these red flag laws are constructed with gun safety people with Second Amendment defenders, with Law Enforcement<\/a>. They wont actually be able to do their jobs. So this is all for President Trump<\/a>s political points. We begin our coverage with Julia Ainsley<\/a>. Julia, we know that hundreds of the workers who were detained have now been released. Why have they Blood Pressure<\/a> ee reporter its not because they can necessarily move on with their lives as normal, ali. They have a court date in the future. Now because we have a backlog in this country of over 800,000 immigrants waiting for their day in court, it could be a long time before they actually face any charges or would have to be deported. But it doesnt change the fact that they are now living in fear and would have a very hard time, near impossible time, of trying to go back to work and make a living for their families. Then the other half, about 380 are detained. We dont know if maybe they could be released after they are processed or if they already have been processed and theyre being detained. Again, ali, a reason why they cant detain everywhere involved in a huge sweep like this is often they just dont have the space for it. Its something that we said would be a huge hindrance when the president said he would try to deport millions in a single week. That there are logistical challenges here. And thats why theyve been released but it doesnt change the fear in this community. Julia, what comes next for these workers and their employers . I mean, does somebody replace them . Are the employers charged with anything . So two very different realities today for the employees versus the employers. We understand like you said 680 employees rounded up facing charges, possible deportation. What comes next for the employers . Not clear. It could be that they are just fined with a civil penalty. Perhaps a criminal charge, perhaps nothing. The u. S. Attorney for the Southern District<\/a> of mississippi yesterday said in a press conference that he hoped these raids served as a message to employers who hire undocumented workers. But then when asked, well, will they be charged . He declined to comment. So that remains very much in question. Sometimes employers can cooperate with i. C. E. To allow them access to their facilities knowing full and well that when their workers come to work in the morning, they wont be going home to their families in the afternoon. Thanks very much. Joining us now to continue the conversation is john, he is a former acting director of u. S. Immigration and customs enforcement. He is also a Founding Partner<\/a> of the Frontier Solutions<\/a> which provides Government Affairs<\/a> and Communications Expertise<\/a> specializing in Homeland Security<\/a> and immigration. John, fogood to see you again. What do you make of this . Its a tremendous drain of i. C. E. Resources. We have pulled 600 special agents from across the country. These are agents who are working on highspeed criminal investigations involving National Security<\/a>, Child Exploitation<\/a> and moved them in here so we could make 600 arrests. A number of these people have already been released. I would anticipate more are going to be released in the near future, a, because there is no bed space because of the situation at the border. But also because theyre eligible for bond. I really do think its legitimate to ask was this worth it from a Law Enforcement<\/a> perspective when there are, you know, much higher value Public Safety<\/a> targets we could be going after. So this is the interesting point. Much higher value Public Safety<\/a> targets. Thats actually what the Trump Administration<\/a> had said. I remember john kelly when he was dhs secretary interviewing him about this, and he said regular people who are here illegally are not going to be priorities for arrests and deportation. That is going to go to what the president called bad ombres, murderers, drug dealers, things like that. That does seem to have seen a shift. That priority seems to have shifted here to people who were fully employed participants with their kids enrolled in the local schools. Thats the issue when you conduct these workside raids. I dont have a problem with them going after these employers. I am hearing some rumors going out that maybe these were exploited employers. But they dont have to arrest all of the workers when they do that. And the biggest problem is exactly what you just said. If youre looking for highvalue targets or bad hombres, the last place youre going to find them is a workplace like this. Ms13 guys dont go in and punch 8 hours a day. Its a separate issue if theyre entitled to work in the United States<\/a>. But if youre saying that i. C. E. Has limited resources to only remove less than 2,000 people a year, is it best or should we be looking at those who are causing havoc in the country . Talk to me about the kids. Some of them may have been born in the United States<\/a>. Many of them were at school. How does i. C. E. Think about that when they arrest people at a worksite, how do you consider whether or not theyre caregivers to a child . Well, listen. That was a critical piece of the analysis during the Obama Administration<\/a> when i was at i. C. E. So if we conducted an operation like this, frankly, we wouldnt have raised the resources to make the big splashy 600 arrests. We would have taken those individuals who had serious criminal convictions or Public Safety<\/a> threat. But even under that population, theres a second analysis that would need to be conducted which is are you the sole caregiver of children, do you have vulnerable minor children, do you have vulnerable sometimes its not just children, there could be sick relatives or elderly parents they are taking care of. I suspect that were going to find that these released that theyre making now are really based on available detention space or other factors. Lets hope that they are doing some screening and sending some of those people home who have children. Listen, you dont need to say that youre going easy on these people ed. You can keep them in deportation proceedings. Just send them home so they can take care of their kids and they can go through the deportation proceedings out of custody from home. So tell me about that because i think the average person doesnt really know the difference between one of these arrests and raids and the deportation process as Julia Ainsley<\/a> said that theres a remarkable backlog of the hearings that these people go through. But what happens now . They were arrested, many of them have been released to home. They will in some fashion go on with their lives. I assume they dont go back to work for the place that they were just raided at. No. They wont be going back to work there. But so each individual will be assessed. Heres the troubling thing. Some percentage of these people were probably caught by the Border Patrol<\/a> when they first came into the United States<\/a>. Often times its ten, 15 years ago. They lived they were sent home at that time. They came back the very next day. Theyve been here eever since. The thing is, though, legally because they had been previously deported a lot of times i. C. E. Can do whats called a reenstatement of removal order. And that allows them to put them in a plane and send them back to their home country without going through an immigration judge. That is what i. C. E. Is likely to do. The rest of the population because they have not been previously deported have to see an immigration judge. Right now we have over a million pending cases with only about 350 immigration judges. You could see how that process could take years. The administration has chosen not to really surge resources into the immigration courts. But a byproduct of that is they have no ability to hold these people for as long as it will take for their hearings so a lot of them will get home. John, thanks as always for helping us understand these issues. He is a former acting director of i. C. E. We are also allergy more about the impact that President Trump<\/a>s immigration crackdown has had on people who have already been deported. 41yearold jimmy died yesterday after the United States<\/a> deported him to iraq earlier this year. He was an Iraqi National<\/a> born in greece who came to the United States<\/a> as a child. He had never lived in iraq, didnt even speak arabic. His lawyer reportedly said he died because he couldnt get insulin for his diabetes. We now know that the el paso shooters mother called texas police weeks before the mass murder took place. What she told Law Enforcement<\/a> next. Plus, nearly 20 states have implemented socalled red flag laws to help reduce the number of gun owners who pose a risk to themselves and others. More on the pushback that advocates are receiving despite what looks to be a National Crisis<\/a> in the United States<\/a>. You are watching msnbc. Family is all together and we switched to geico; saved money on our boat insurance. How could it get any better than this . Dad, i just caught a goldfish theres no goldfish in this lake. Whoa its pure gold. Were gonna be rich. Were gonna be rich it only gets better when you switch and save with geico. Corey is living with metastatic Breast Cancer<\/a>, which is Breast Cancer<\/a> that has spread to other parts of her body. Shes also taking ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor, which is for postmenopausal women or for men with hr her2 metastatic Breast Cancer<\/a> as the first hormonal based therapy. Ibrance plus letrozole was significantly more effective at delaying disease progression versus letrozole. Patients taking ibrance can develop low white blood cell counts, which may cause serious infections that can lead to death. Before taking ibrance, tell your doctor if you have fever, chills, or other signs of infection, liver or kidney problems, are pregnant, breastfeeding, or plan to become pregnant. Common side effects include low red blood cell and low platelet counts, infections, tiredness, nausea, sore mouth, abnormalities in liver blood tests, diarrhea, hair thinning or loss, vomiting, rash, and loss of appetite. Corey calls it her new normal because a lot has changed, but a lot hasnt. Ask your doctor about ibrance. The 1 prescribed fdaapproved oral Combination Treatment<\/a> for hr her2 mbc. Oral Combination Treatment<\/a> from the 5am wakers, to the 6am sleepers. Everyone uses their phone differently and in different places. Thats why Xfinity Mobile<\/a> created a Wireless Network<\/a> that auto connects you to millions of secure wifi hot spots. And the best lte everywhere else. Xfinity mobile is a different kind of Wireless Network<\/a> designed to save you money. Save up to 400 a year on your wireless bill. Plus get 250 back when you buy an eligible phone. Click, call or visit a store today. There are questions surrounding possible warning signs that were flagd before the suspected gunman terrorized a walmart in el paso, texas. Attorneys representing the suspects family told cnn that his mother contacted police in allen, texas, weeks before her 21yearold sons attack. During that call, she allegedly raised concerns about him owning an aktype gun because of his age, maturity level, and lack of experience. The Attorney Says<\/a> the mans mother was transferred to a Public Safety<\/a> officer who told her that based on her description, her son who had no criminal history or recorded Mental Health<\/a> issues was legally allowed to own the weapon. The attorneys made clear that the mothers inquiry was, quote, informational in nature. She didnt explicitly say that her son posed a threat. They also said the woman did not provide her name or her sons name during the call and that police did not seek any Additional Information<\/a> before the call colluded. One of the attorneys confirmed to nbc news that the details in the cnn report are correct. Now with this in mind, socalled red flag laws might not have helped prevent this tragedy based on just that call. Red flag laws essentially allow a person to seek a court order giving police the power to temporarily remove firearms from those who pose an extreme danger to themselves or others. So far, red flag measures have been enacted in 17 states. Texas is not one of them. Lawmakers as well as the president are now looking into extending them on a federal level. Ohios republican governor is now calling on his gop state legislature to pass those laws after being shouted at by protesters and mourners to, quote, do something. Nbc Senior National<\/a> correspondent kate snow explains how the red flag laws work. Reporter as communities grieve and demand action, republican senator Lindsay Graham<\/a> says he plans to introduce a socalled red flag bill with support from democrats and the president. We are trying to get guns out of the hands of people who are dangerous who actually may kill themselves or somebody else. Reporter red flag laws already exist in 17 states. They allow someone to seek an extreme Risk Protection<\/a> order that enables police to temporarily seize weapons from a person whos a danger to themselves or others. Are there any firearms in this house reporter in indiana, all these guns were confiscated in a fourmonth period. My son lives with paranoid schizophrenia, and when he is not on his medication he becomes incredibly aggressive and violent. Maine, the state voted against the measure last year. Her son is doing well right now, but twice shes had to figure out how to keep weapons out of his home. If you had a way to call the police and make sure your son didnt have a firearm, what would that do for you . Well, that would give me some peace of mind for sure that he wasnt going to hurt himself or anyone else. It would also instill a lot of anxiety on what was going to happen to him afterwards. Reporter the nra does not outright oppose red flag laws but wants due process protections. They dont have a chance to defend themselves. They dont have a plan to plead their case. Reporter and concerns of a different kind from the Senate Democratic<\/a> leader who called the proposed red flag measure tepid and not merely enough. Kate snow joins me now. Kate, lets just talk about this. Texas is not one of the states with one of these laws. If it did have a red flag law, would that mothers phone call have been treated any differently . Well, it really depends on what exactly she said. If she called and said im really worried that he might be a threat to himself and others and they did have such a law as a red flag law, maybe they would have said to her, listen, maam, if you want you can go to court and you can file for whats called a temporary extreme Risk Protection<\/a> order. And at first its a temporary thing, so i could go and get one in a couple of days without the and it lasts for a short amount of time. Thats right, usually two or three weeks at first. So they will remove the weapon or weapons. And then theres a due process, right . Then every state is different. Ive got a whole thing a ream of materials here about each states law. But basically the way it usually works is that after that temporary order, then you have a hearing where actually again usually the person doesnt have to im sorry. The person does come at that hearing, the second hearing, the person comes and can defend themselves. And then the judge decides whether its going to be extended and usually they last six months in some states, a year in most of the states that have these laws. So theres no skirting the due process in this. I guess my question is, if a mother i dont know how many mothers are happy with their kids having an ak47 at the age of 21. Is that enough . Is that enough to cause if the mother says its not a threat, i just dont like the fact that my son is not very mature, and hes got this big gun. Probably not. Im not a lawyer, but based on the understanding of these laws, you have to proactively go out and seek this kind of order because somebodys possibly dangerous to themselves. And, by the way, so far theres not a lot of evidence about these laws. We talked to doctors yesterday, medical doctors to try to figure out if theres research to show that these laws work. So far they have done research that shows preliminariarily that it reduces suicides. When you think about it, most firearms in this country are not used in mass shootings. They might be used for suicides. I think twothirds of gun deaths is suicides. I mentioned that the president expressed some possibility of supporting a red flag law nationally thats being put forward by senator Lindsay Graham<\/a>. Its not really a National Red Flag<\/a> law. Well, in that, and he has explained this, it would be a grant program. So, it wouldnt change the law federally. It would say states, you should all change your laws, well give you grant money if you change your law. So it encouraged more states to do what the 17 have already done. But there has been movement. The gun safety folks sort of say these red flag laws are constructed with gun safety people with Second Amendment<\/a> defenders, with Law Enforcement<\/a>. The nra has concerns, they havent outright opposed these laws in. Some states they have depending on how theyre written, but the nra has concerns about due process. They dont want to have guns taken away for no reason. There does seem to be a lot of middle ground on this particular slice. There seems to be some bipartisanship. Lindsey graham is cosponsoring a bill along with blumenthal from connecticut, a democrat. Whether Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> will put it on the calendar, our capitol hill reporters, tell me is very unclear right now. Chuck schumer wants more. Chuck schumer said yesterday we cant just do red flags. We have to also attach it to other things. And there are few republicans who are prepared to support. All right, coming up the president says hes, quote, in all in favor of expanded background checks for gun owners. But the head of the nra reportedly warned him that position will not play well. Those figure whens we come back. Youre watching msnbc. Youre wa. But were also a company that controls hiv, fights cancer, repairs shattered bones, relieves depression, restores heart rhythms, helps you back from strokes, and keeps you healthy your whole life. From the day youre born we never stop taking care of you. Dprevagen is the number onemild memopharmacistrecommendedng . From the day youre born memory support brand. You can find it in the vitamin aisle in stores everywhere. Prevagen. 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So you only pay for what you need. Nice. But, uh. Whats up with your. Partner . Not again. Limu thats your reflection. Only pay for what you need. Liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty the president has expressed his openness to expanding background checks to all gun sales, something hes also reportedly telling lawmakers and aides in private conversations. Now the Washington Post<\/a> reports nra chief executive spoke with trump on tuesday after the president expressed support for a background check bill and told him it would not be popular among trump supporters. Now, a recent Morning Consult<\/a> poll found that an overwhelming 90 of registered voters either strongly or somewhat support background checks on all gun sales. Narrow that poll down to just republicans, and you still end up with 90 support. Joining me now is nbcs hans nichols in louisville, kentucky. Hans, you are in Mitch Mcconnell<\/a>s home state. He has not chimed in on this. He sort of said hell wait for the president to direct what happens on background checks. Reporter yeah. We may hear a little bit more from Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> in about an hour hell do a local radio interview. Until that time weve been talking to a lot of his constituents here in kentucky. And whats clear is that they want some sort of action. But theyre not necessarily optimistic that there will be any action. Im surprised to what extent people want an allofthe above approach here. And when you look at what pretty much everyone is saying, a lot of people are mentioning Mental Health<\/a>. There are people with mental issues that are going to go out and do horrible things, and people that do things with guns dont obey the laws anyways. So changing laws i dont think are going to make it a difference. We need Better Health<\/a> reform in this country because right now we dont take care of the healthy issues, we take care of illnesses. And we wait till somebody gets ill before we treat them. It really needs to start with the politicians first. They just to be so one side and the other, and no one can find really Common Ground<\/a> on anything. Background checks would seem to be a good step i think just from my perspective. But i really wish that both, you know, sides of each party could kind of come together to find some Common Ground<\/a>. No one is telling us that background checks are a nonstarter. Now that said, we should know that the two bills that have passed the house of representatives, tim ryan wants to bring across, the president has put veto threats on both of those bills. So we also have senator tomey talking today hinting that the president may have moved on some sort of background checks. I think its just a question of what kind of background checks and if theres any Common Ground<\/a> to be there. And as you mentioned, its unlikely well have any action from Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> until you really have a groundswell within his own party asking and demanding for that. So i think we need to listen to see what Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> says at 4 00 p. M. Later today. If the president provides any top cover to senators in his own party for moving on background checks. But that could involve him reversing himself on his old veto threats. And in a place like kentucky, the president providing top cover would actually be meaningful. Reporter potentially, right . I mean when we talked to voters here, they say, look, the president has had i state under his thumb. So whatever the president tells his base to do, they suspect here, again, anecdotally, that the base would be move and that they would be willing to move on that and to maybe shift their position. But again as you mentioned, the president s been inconsistent on background checks. Sometimes he says hes for them in some form. Senator tomey thinks that the president might move in that direction. But, again, hes put out veto threats on background check legislation in the past. So well see if anything moves from the president s side and whether or not he directly responds and whether or not his position changes because of these two most recent, and i stress recent, horrific shootings. Ali . Hans nichols for us in louisville, kentucky. We have just learned that democratic contender andrew yang has officially qualified for the fall debates. Heres a look at the nine candidates who have qualified for the debate stage so far. They have met the dncs donation requirements and hit at least 2 in at least four qualifying polls. Julian castro needs one more qualifying poll. Tulsi gabbard needs three more polls. Andrew yang hit the threshold in this new poll with voters in iowa. Joe biden remains at the top of the pack with only Elizabeth Warren<\/a> coming within Single Digits<\/a> of his lead. And a slough of 2020 democrats are flocking to the battleground state today for the famous iowa state fair. They are going to spend the next few days shaking hands, talking to voters and enjoying a wide variety of fried food. Here you can see joe biden being greeted while enjoying some ice cream. But a warning from the wall street journal. Quote, president ial candidates, beware the iowa state fair. The piece points out that while the iowa state fair has been marked a right of passage, its also become home to the most wellknown campaign gafs, that, quote, corporations are people. Back in 1986, then senator joe biden was not spared from ridicule when he plagiarized portions of a speech from a british politician neil kittoc. Biden dropped out of the race after that when additional events of plaj rizm. Mike memoee joins me now. Have you spoken to any other president ial candidates today, mike . Reporter yeah, ali. Well, welcome to the organized chaos of the iowa state fair. Its a great event. We expect more than a Million People<\/a> to be attending here over the next 11 days. But the chaos around the candidates here is something we saw. Former joe biden arrived earlier. He then spoke at the soapbox. He had just finished delivering that sustained and direct attack on donald trump, his failings as a moral leader for the country. Today more of an economic focus from the Vice President<\/a>. But we did have a chance to talk to him in a gaggle afterwards. First of all its worth noting that democratic opponents here have called President Trump<\/a> a white supremacist, something that joe biden has not been willing to do. He said he thinks his words encourage White Supremacy<\/a>. I also had a chance to ask him about these i. C. E. Raids weve seen in mississippi what, kind of message the Trump Administration<\/a> is trying to send. Lets take a listen to that. No, no, no. What we should be focused on, number one, is we should be focused on having a comprehensive immigration plan that provides a pathway to citizenship for people here who are undocumented. We should be, in fact, legalizing dreamers right now, and theres over 4 million counting their families, over 10 Million People<\/a>. We should be uniting families, not separating families. We should, in fact, have an Actual Program<\/a> whereby youre able to find an avenue to have your asylum case heard. And this idea of what walking away from dealing with allowing people to have asylum hearings in the United States<\/a> is bizarre. Thats not who we are. Reporter and so the former Vice President<\/a> has now made his way back among the crowds. He may it may be circulating also among some of those fried food stands. I confess ive had a fried oreo today. Let me show you something here, its called fried putin. Oh, my god do you think i should take a chance . Ill take a bite here. Ill give you a little bit of a review and then well ship some back to new york. I was going to ask you about this because as a canadian, this is what got me. It has got waffle fries drizzled with chocolate. Push into that for a second. Waffle fries drizzled with chocolate and spicy honey topped with italian sweet cream cheese and candycoated pecans. That is gods food. Reporter ali, you were talking about the gaff some candidates make on the campaign trail, especially here in iowa. Im pretty sure theres rules about being on the air talking and trying to eat while doing that. I may have violated that. But i got to tell you, this is actually pretty good. Im not sure it would be the first on my priority list, the ice cream has really got my attention here. But this is worth a try and ill send some back to you. I love it, mike, we have cemented our relationship. Mike memoli at the iowa state fair. Still ahead the fbi is calling on congress to classify domestic terrorism as a federal crime. 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Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. New numbers from customs and Border Protection<\/a> show border crossings by undocumented immigrants fell for the month of july. In june the number of crossings was 104,367. In july that number fell to 82,049. Now, before anybody takes credit for this, this figure usually goes down in the summer months because in some cases people are crossing a desert and it gets hot along the border. Theres an absence of water. This is not actually necessarily related to the Trump Administration<\/a>s new policy which forces Asylum Seekers<\/a> to claim asylum at the countries they traveled to before reaching the u. S. Border. That order is still making its way through a federal court. I only say this because someones going to claim credit for this so you should know what the facts are. Okay. Then as the nation moves forward in the wake of last weekends mass shootings, National Security<\/a> experts are looking for new ways to address the recent attacks by suspected white supremacists. On tuesday the Fbi Agents Association<\/a> called on capitol hill to make domestic terrorism a federal crime. In a statement the organizations president wrote in part, quote, this would ensure that fbi agents and prosecutors have the best tools to fight domestic terrorism. This led the New York Times<\/a> to ask the question, quote, what could a domestic Terrorism Law<\/a> do . Joining me now to tell us is the author of that piece, msnbc contributor and New York Times<\/a> washington correspondent Charlie Savage<\/a> who i know, charlie, you have spent a lot of times thinking about these because in the abstract people say we should have these things. What would it actually do, how would it actually help, and what would we have to overcome for it to be successful . Thats right, ali. There has been a lot of sort of vague chatter since the days since the el paso shooting about whether theres a need for congress to pass a law that would make it a federal crime to engage in a domestic terrorism attack. Its already a crime federally to engage in an International Terrorist<\/a> attack. That is one that has some kind of International Nexus<\/a> like isis or al qaida. But theres not a federal law that says a terrorist attack thats tied to a White Supremacy<\/a> movement, a militia here in the United States<\/a>. It can be charged as terrorism in federal court. So people are saying well, why not, maybe that will solve the problem. When you drill down on it, however, its a little bit more complicated than that because at least in terms of dealing with the aftermath of an attack, the first thing to think about is not clear that it would make any real world difference. It might mean that someone is charged with the tword, terrorism, but if youre a domestic terrorist and you survive your attack and youre caught, youre going to face life in prison or execution anyway. So its about the symbolism of calling terrorism terrorism whether its domestic or foreignbased. That symbolism can have substance. It can be seen more fair. Maybe its racist to say that muslim terrorists are terrorists in court, but white supremacist are bombers or murderers. But its not like someone is going to walk free under one system and be locked up under the other. So it may not have a Significant Impact<\/a> on the penalty, but in your article you write as a matter of political reality using informants and stings to aggressively investigate people who appear to harbor sympathy. I think the point youre making is that it would allow investigators to use tools against White Supremacy<\/a> and domestic terrorism that they can use with al qaida or isis or foreign terrorist organizations. That bumps up against free speech rules that we dont really worry about so much with isis. Well, so what youre getting at is the second question, not what happens after a terror attack but would it make a difference in preventing a terrorist attack and expanding the fbis ability to detect and thwart plans before they reach fruition. And theres various reasons having to do with First Amendment<\/a> rights of speech and freedom of association that it is very unlikely that something could cause a substantive new expansion of government power to go after people who merely help groups that have been deemed terrorists in ways that were otherwise lawful like joining them or giving them money, which is one of the ways in which the fbi tries to prevent terrorist attacks that has to do with jihadi groups. Who look like theyre maybe sympathietic towards these causes, maybe starting to be approving of violence to talk to them without identifying themselves as Law Enforcement<\/a> officials to see what theyll say in private. Maybe to set up a sting if it looks like theyre moving towards violence. And thats the main way or a big way that the fbi has taken a lot of people off the street since 9 11 in the islamist terrorist World Without<\/a> actually waiting for something to blow up. And its very controversial, the muslimamerican Community Says<\/a> its entrapment and harassment, and governmentmanufactured crimes but it goes on. The question is whether this legal change would allow the fbi to do that more than the white supremacist groups. And maybe not because the fbi used to do that a lot for the klu klux klan. But it may be that whats holding them back is a political change. Invasions and infestations, there is talking about nonwhite people and immigrants, and so forth. If you started sending informants aggressively up against every person whos talked like that on the internet, there would be an enormous political backlash when the fbi is already being targeted as sort of deep state in the minds of the people. So two things might be confused here. Youre talking about the law, and there are some people who have said that both the fbi and the white house have not dhs, have not funded work into domestic terrorism. So a shift in politics might result in better funding for investigations that do not necessarily require a change in law. Its very hard here. The fbi, the director, christoph Christopher Wray<\/a> who does speak forthright about white supremacist violence and the problem of domestic terrorism has also said that they dont need any new resources, whether thats true or not, is hard to tell from the outside. It could be a question of prioritization, it could be a question of just reluctance to be very aggressive, and its something that could be explosive, hopefully not literally, in todays political environment. But that is the world in which we find ourselves. Charlie, thank you as always for digging into these things so we can have a good understanding of them. Charlie savage is an msnbc contributor. He is the washington correspondent for the New York Times<\/a> and he is the author of power wars. Still ahead, americas farmers are dealing with another big blow from President Trump<\/a>s trade war with china. Were going to talk with a soy bean farmer about how farmers are dealing with this challenge, what it means to you and what lies ahead. That, plus Elizabeth Warren<\/a> is making the case for changes to the nations agri business industry. We are going to take a closer look at that. You are watching msnbc. R look at that you are watching msnbc this is not just the flu. Its meningitis b. And youre not there to help. While meningitis b is uncommon. Once symptoms appear, they can progress quickly and can be fatal. Sometimes within 24 hours. Before you send your teen to college. Make sure you help protect them. Talk to your teens doctor. About meningitis b vaccination. If you have postmenopausal osteoporosis and a high risk for fracture now might not be the best time to ask yourself are my bones strong . Life is full of make or break moments. 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Liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. I wish i could shake your hand. Granted. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Has four levels of defenseremium gasoagainst gunk, wear, corrosion and friction. That helps keep your Engine Running<\/a> like new. Its fuel for thought. The business of family time. And downtime. And you time. And forgetting what time it is. Altogether. Modernized comfort inns and suites have been refreshed because when your business is making time, our business is you. Get the lowest price guaranteed on all Choice Hotels<\/a> when you book direct at choicehotels. Com. Farmers have already been hit hard by the trade war between the u. S. And china. Now theyre dealing with another devastating blow. China announced earlier this week it is suspending all imports of Agricultural Products<\/a> from the United States<\/a>. The United States<\/a> exported 19. 5 billion worth of farm goods to china in 2017. That number fell to just over 9 billion last year. This all comes as massachusetts senator and democratic president ial candidate Elizabeth Warren<\/a> unveils a plan to build what she calls a new farm economy. Shes pitching her proposal during the Campaign Swing<\/a> through iowa. Nbc news political reporter ali vitali is with the warren campaign. And she joins me now today for the aliv. Show. What does senator warren hope to do with this plan . [ applause ] reporter yeah, ali. This installment of the show will be brought to a whisper because as you can tell, we are in the middle of a campaign event. But what this policy allows Elizabeth Warren<\/a> to do is talk about rural and agricultural issues but to also talk about some of the larger policy themes of this democratic primary. For example, when she talks about medicare for all, she is talking about it through the lens of saving rural hospitals and trying to bring more medical professionals to rural areas when she talks about the Green New Deal<\/a> and climate change, she is talking about how she can support farmers in making a profit but doing it in a way that is sustainable and climate friendly. So when you talk about weaving a story with policy, thats what Elizabeth Warren<\/a> is trying to do on the ground in iowa, the policy points that shes trying to make. So many rural voters that went for President Trump<\/a>, and so now in a way its good because the Democratic Candidates<\/a> realize, well, they better get on board and start looking at what has happened in rural america. And often times thats not a very america. Oftentimes its not a very pretty picture. And when we were talking to ron this morning, it was his farm we were at. He had been on the farm almost four decades. So yes, theres an upside for some in the neighborhood with trump and the output of the trade tariff war but he said the Positive Side<\/a> of that is democratic now have more of a reason to focus on Rural Communities<\/a> and put out policies directly tailored to those voters, especially here in iowa. Ali vitali, thank you very much, in iowa with Elizabeth Warren<\/a>. With us now is a soybean farmer, president of the wisconsin soybean association. Tony, i want to talk about the Elizabeth Warren<\/a> stuff in a second but i want to ask you about the announcement from china that its not bying american agriculture output. When it comes to soybeans, this is probably one of the clearest examples why its problematic. Its not easy for americans to find a market to replace china as the buyer of all of the soybeans that america grows. Absolutely. China up until this trade war purchased one out of every three soybeans grown in the United States<\/a>. So its just very simple in that we cannot find a market or kbags combination of markets to replace the soybean market for soybeans. In the interim theres a market for soybeans. In the longer term, what are you hoping for, there will be a deal and reverse the decision or are you and American Farmers<\/a> have to be thinking about alternatives . I think both are options. Obviously we want a trade deal done and completed so we can sell our product back into the chinese market. The American Farmer<\/a> grows the safest, most Sustainable Food<\/a> in the world. Right now where things are at, the prices is, every farmer needs to look and see whats in their best interest and possibly switching crops but thats extremely difficult to do. Its a lot easier to say than do. Weve spent our lives gearing up to specialized and growing corn and soybeans, wheat, whatever it may be, so our equipment and our facilities are are set up to handle that. You cant just stop on a dime and start growing potatoes or something in that manner. To the extent that some of the replacement that china consumes is coming from places like brazil, and china seems to be supporting the idea brazil developed the infrastructure to send more soybeans, even if this trade war ended tomorrow, would america get all of the business back it lost . Absolutely not. Its a matter of how much we lost, not whether or not we lost something. As the days and months and years go by this trade war lasts the greater the percentage of chinese demand we lose forever. The good news out of this with a Silver Lining<\/a> might be these Democratic Candidates<\/a> who are out there like Elizabeth Warren<\/a> are thinking about foreign policy. Something that you and i have discussed, Many Americans<\/a> probably most American Consumers<\/a> take for granted, right . We take for granted our food comes from somewhere and it will always come and thats how it is. Meanwhile many smaller farmers work on a razorthin margin. What do you want the candidates to be thinking about not just the trade war but modernizing agriculture culture in this country . I think if you would talk to any farmer, what we want is just a free and open market to be able to sell our product. We are the leading conservationist. We are the leading environmentalists. We started cover crops and all of these practices because we know theyre good for our farms, soil and water, not because they make us more money. So just give us a free and open market to sell our product and thats step number one. What do you think about i dont know if you had a chance to consider what Elizabeth Warren<\/a> has been saying but do you think the types of things shes talking about makes sense to americas farmers . I havent had time to fully grasp everything shes talking about. I will say this, most farmers, myself included, would as far as it comes to the prices we receive for our products, we want the market to be do that, not government intervention. Whether its tariffs or aid or whatever it may be, we want the market to give us our prices. Topi, good to talk to you as always, the president of the wisconsin soybean association. Breaking news from washington. Former deputy fbi director Andrew Mccabe<\/a> is reportedly suing the department of justice. Well have more on that after the break. After the break. Its easy to move forward when youre ready for what comes next. At fidelity, we make sure you have a clear plan to cover the essentials in retirement, as well as all the things you want to do. And on the way, youll get timely investment help to keep you on the right track, without the unnecessary fees you might expect from so many financial firms. 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Former fbi Deputy Director<\/a> Andrew Mccabe<\/a> is suing the Justice Department<\/a> over his firing, following similar action from former fbi agent peter strzok. They are both suing for unlawful termination. In his suit mccabe alleges director chris wray would not tell him why he was demoted from his position saying wray, and then attorney general jeff sessions, had agreed not to discuss the specific reason. As we get more information on this, we will bring it to you. I want to take a quick look at the markets before we go for the day, strong day on the markets actually. Its been increasingly steadily through the course of the day. Closing at or near session highs, gaining 1. 4 . Again, no major news other than the fact china does not seem to be accelerating its decisions about the trade war, but it has done so in the last week saying theyre not buying any more american produce, any more american agriculture output and lowering the value of its currency against the american dollar. I will see you back here tomorrow at 1 00 p. M. And then 3 00 eastern. Thank you for watching. Watch or listen to the show on sirius xm, tune in, msnbc now and apple tv, facebook, twitter, instagram, linkedin. Deadline white house with Nicolle Wallace<\/a> starts now. Hi, everyone, its 4 00 in new york. How bad was it . Apparently the president s stops in el paso and dayton, who communities he vowed to help heal, were so offkey, the attacks so jarring the barrage of angry tweets at local media so startling, even trumps own white house acknowledged the trip was a debacle. White house times reporter maggie earlier today do they think it went well . 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