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MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Ali Velshi October 31, 2019

President of the United States . The answer to that will tell us a great deal about who we are right now. On this vote, the yays are 232. The nays are 196. The resolution is adopted without objection. The motion to reconsider is laid upon the table. The impeachment inquiry has not stopped since this vote. Right now, timothy morrison, National Security Council Senior director for europe and russia is on capitol hill to give his deposition to house impeachment investigators after stepping down from his post yesterday. Over the last two weeks, trump has met with more than 60 house gop lawmakers and has made numerous phone calls and as the president tries to rally his republican lawmakers to defend him, political reports that during a private fundraising event at the trump hotel turned into a roast from President Trump. He was totally in his element. Among a long riff about a wide range of topics with his usual nasty nancy and quote lap dog. Also, saying, my kevin is always on my side. That camaraderie was clear today. In all the hearings, theres nothing compelling. Nothing overwhelming. So the speaker should follow her own words on what bipartisan vote on that floor and in the sham that has been putting this country through this nightmare. Thats exactly what this vote shows today. Following all the activities from capitol hill is garrett haake. Garrett, make sense of that for me because mccarthy said thats exactly what this vote showed today. The the vote today was overwhelmingly supporting the rules for an impeachment inquiry. So i dont know if but the vote actually showed that 234 members of congress support moving forward with an impeachment inquiry. Mccarthys got to work with what hes got and those 234 members were all democrats. And that allows republicans to continue to paint this as a partisan effort. They can do so in part because there was also two democrats who voted with republicans in opposing expanding this inquiry. And theyve got something to work with here. As we went through the last 2 1 2 years of the trump presidency, time and again nancy pelosi and to a lesser degree adam schiff made the argument you cannot pursue impeachment unless it is a bipartisan effort. While weve seen significant polling in many cases plurality or in some cases a small majority of americans do approve of this inquiry, that has not yet transferred over to their representatives. So expect to hear that line a lot from Kevin Mccarthy and other republicans. The other argument youll hear republicans make as they push back on this and try to do so on a not purely processbased argument here, is you will hear them talk a lot about how this impeachment is an effort to undo the 2016 election. Youll note that what the president is being investigated for impeachment for had probably more to do with the 2020 election. The idea that he was looking for dirt on the bidens. But the republican framing around this is that this is an effort to undo a previous election. That taps into something with a lot of people in this country who are just incredibly burned out on all things 2016. You know, when i was out campaign reporting, you would hear it time and time again. People were ready for that election to be over. And anything that makes voters who are not following this super closely think of this as an extension of 2016. Robert mueller. Russia. Will turn off some of those indepe independent voters. Garrett, good to see you as always. We will continue to talk about this as there are new developments. Garrett haake for us. Providing not just reporting of whats going on capitol hill but some remarkable analysisment i want to bring in democratic congressman from california rokana who serves as a member of the House Oversight committee. Congressman, good to see you. Thank you for joining us. I just want you to react to what garrett was saying because Kevin Mccarthy in his comment today said the democrats are challenging the integrity of the electoral process, which is a different way of saying what Donald Trumps been saying all along. These are just people who wanted me out of office right from the begin squg theyre trying every method possible. Whats the response, not for me but for constituents who say, hey, this is just you trying to get trump out of office. Whats the response to that . The response is that were doing our constitutional duty and upholding the constitution. Its sad the republicans arent willing to do that. When watergate commenced, there were 410. There were only four members of congress that didnt vote for the impeachment inquiry. It is so discouraging that not a single republican is bothered by the president s abuse of his office in asking zelensky to investigate biden that not a single republican is even willing to vote to affirm an inquiry into that. Thatslet real story. Lets talk about the framing of this as a distraction from legislative activities. Again, these are talking points that republicans are working hard to get out there to keep control of the narrative. Tell me about how thats working. What is congress doing separate and apart or parallel to the impeachment investigation . Well, the obstacle to getting things done are Mitch Mcconnell and donald trump. The congress has passed a universal background check. The congress has passed a 15 minimum wage. The congress has passed Campaign Finance reform to get rid of citizens united. The congress is willing to pass an infrastructure bill. Were willing and will pass a Prescription Drug bill to lower prescription costs. So we are willing to have the president to work with the president on these issues. But Mitch Mcconnell hasnt brought a single one of these bills up for a vote in the senate. The Oversight Committee that you on which you serve is involved very directly in the impeachment inquiry. Were trying to make sense just for our viewers about the roles of intel and the role of the Judiciary Committee, the role of the Oversight Committee. Whats the role of the Oversight Committee . Well, the Oversight Committee will continue internal investigations, the factfinding investigation, the public hearings will largely be led by adam schiff and the Intelligence Committee. And then all of the committees will submit our evidence to judiciary and chairman naddler will draw up the articles of impeachment. Its important to note in the resolution we passed today, we give the president more Due Process Rights in terms of crossexamination and presenting his evidence than either president nixon or president clinton had in their impeachment hearings. Congressman, good to see you as always. Congressman of california. Member of the oversight and reform committee. We recognize the seriousness of this undertaking. Thats what chairman adam schiff said earlier. Intel committee. After the house passed a resolution that would effectively allow him to handle evidence gathering in public hearings. We take no joy in having to move down this road and proceed with the impeachment inquiry. But neither do we shrink from it. So what does this do . It essentially puts forth a process for how public hearings will happen. It authorizes the House Intelligence Committee to release previous depositions and transcripts to the public with appropriate redactions. The House Intelligence Committee will hold public hearings, although we dont know exactly when those hearings will start. The democratic chairman adam schiff will call witnesses. The Intelligence Committee will focus on the administrations efforts to pressure ukraine. Republicans can call witnesses and request documents but democrats can vote those recommendations down. These rules also grant the Top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, devon nunez, the same amount of time for questions that chairman schiff will have. It will pass the report to the Judiciary Committee. The House Judiciary Committee will consider what articles of impeachment to draft against President Trump. I want to bring in nbc news justice correspondent Pete Williams and elizabeth holtman who voted to impeach president Richard Nixon when she served on the House Judiciary Committee. She is the author of the case for impeaching trump. Pete, let me start with you. The house, in theory, then votes on it. And if they vote, its a simple majority required in favor of impeachment. The president is impeached. But what does that mean . It simply means that hes been charged by congress with an Impeachable Offense and then there would be a trial in the senate on whether to convict the president. If that thats a simple majority in the house to impeach. The Senate Conviction would require a twothirds vote of all those senators present. And if that were to happen, then the president would immediately be removed from office. The Vice President would take over. And then someone else would be confirmed by both houses of congress to be the Vice President. Thats none of those things have ever happened except the part about putting somebody in as Vice President. That happened when Richard Nixon stepped down under the 25th amendment. So the idea of the senate convicting has not happened before in that moment when that happens, what does the president do . If that were to happen. If the senate were actually to vote to convict, which would be at the moment appears to be a longshot because you need if 100 senators are present, you need 67 votes under the current regime to get that done. But if that happened, what would happen to the president . Youre right. By the way, no president has ever been convicted by the senate. Two were impeached. The only people ever removed from office by this process are judges. But back to your question, if it happened, he would cease at the moment of the vote being president. Hed have to leave the white house. Now, you know, youre asking me how would this work . And i cant really answer the question because its never happened before. Presumably, i think the way the founders saw it is if this ever happened, someone would have the good graces to realize they werent president anymore and would get out. If he didnt, you know, there are lots of conspiracy scenarios about this. About who would actually have to escort them out. But i dont think i i think there are plenty of people who understand how the process works and would make sure that he left the white house. But in any event, whether he left the white house or not the next day or the next week, he would not be president. He would have no authority to do anything as president. He would simply be a citizen. Liz, you have been through a process that is not the same as this but is similar. And it ultimately resulted in Richard Nixon not being president. Although, he was not voted on by the senate. In fact, the full house never even voted on impeachment in the nixon case. No, because the evidence was so overwhelming, Richard Nixon understood that he was going to be convicted in the senate and rather than go through the humiliation of that, he resigned. In this particular case, what we have here are polls that show about its about split. Half of americans want an impeachment and some want a removal from office. About half dont. But weve not had the public hearings on this issue that the republicans have been complaining about the process until now. But we are going to have public hearings. Thats what todays vote showed. Right. Definitely will have public hearings and thats critical. Thats something ive been concerned about from the getgo and i know you have and a lot of people have. The American People have to see the witnesses who are testifying against the president. They have to see them on tv. They have to be able to judge whether theyre telling the truth or not. Judge their sincerity. Judge their credibility. Thats vital. Thats what happened in watergate and that was the predicate, the basis on which the House Judiciary Committee acted because the American People had already seen these key witnesses when the Senate Watergate Committee Conducted its investigation. So in a way, its kind of similar to what happened during the nixon process. You have a committee that will hold public hearings to try to get the American People to understand what happened. Republicans will have same rights as democrats to question them, to interrogate them, to crossexamine them, to challenge them. Then if theres once that process is finished, it will then go to the house judiciary committe committee for the committee then to determine whether these acts constitute an Impeachable Offense. Then they draw up articles of impeachment. Correct. Then in theory the house votes on this. Correct. But it depends what kind of evidence. Well, the democrats and one independent have decided the process needs to start because of the evidence we have already. We dont know all the evidence thats going to be uncovered in this process. And so we dont know the outcome. But the point is the American People have to be able to see the witnesses, have to be able to test their sincerity, have to be able to measure the strength of the case and understand why he should be removed from office. Pete, you are our resident expert on how this is all going to go down and i appreciate you never overstate your understanding of stuff and you said i dont actually know what happens here because we havent tried it before. That said, do we have do you have some sense of timeline as to how this goes through the Intel Committee and its hearings . And then the Judiciary Committee and its decisions to draft the articles of impeachment to the point that it gets to the senate . Well, the house is talking about maybe having beginning hearings in the Intelligence Committee perhaps midnovember. I i think theyve been talking about trying to get a vote on the articles by the end of the year. And if once the House Judiciary Committee, if they were to pass articles of impeachment, they are as the saying goes, privileged. Meaning, they can be brought up at any time. They sort of go to the head of the class. And obviously, would become the top priority for the congress. So the house would vote on them. And then it would go to the senate. Curiously, you know, the senate rules dont automatically require the senate to take this up. This has been something of a question among scholars of if this happens, does the president or does the senate have to take it up . That becomes a moot point. Now, Mitch Mcconnell has said if the house were to vote to impeach, the senate would. If you look at the clinton experience, the the articles of impeachment were passed in october. The trial began in early the following year. So, you know, i think were looking at maybe three two to three months. All right. We will follow this all very closely with you. Pete williams. Nbc news justice correspondent. Liz holtzman, attorney and former u. S. Congresswoman who voted to impeach president nixon. Another story were following this week is the raid that led to the death of isis leader Abu Bakr Albaghdadi. The raid was named after the aide worker Kayla Mueller believed to have been killed while in isis custody. She was taken hostage by the terror group in syria in 2013 while she was helping people who were fleeing the civil war. In february of 2015, isis claimed mueller was killed when a jordanian warplane bombed the building where she was being held. U. S. Officials are skeptical of that claim and say isis killed her. It was later revealed Kayla Mueller was repeatedly assaulted by baghdadi himself. President trump mentioned her tragic story on sunday when he announced the terror leaders death. She was there to help people. And he saw her and he thought she was beautiful. And he brought her into captivity for a long period of time and then he killed her. He was an animal. And he was a gutless animal. The president called Kayla Muellers parents after that announcement. They will join me after the break. The break. Isis released a new audio message today in which the terror group acknowledged the death of its leader Abu Bakr Albaghdadi and named his successor. That message came out hours after the pentagon released several video clips showing u. S. Special forces attacking b baghdadis compound in northeastern syria last weekend. Let me show you what they look like. This one is said to show isis fighters firing at u. S. Aircraft as they approached the compound. Those fighters were eventually killed by air strikes from the helicopters that were supporting the mission. Now, this clip is said to show u. S. Forces moving toward the compound. You can see them at the bottom

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