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MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Ayman Mohyeldin September 3, 2020

The protests continue, of course, after jacob blake was shot in the back by police. Mr. Bidens visit comes two days after the president s controversial trip there. Well keep an eye on this event and bring you highlights as warranted. Meanwhile, the president is off to pittsburgh. He will speak at the airport. Its his first trip to western pennsylvania since last year. A new quinnipiac poll puts joe biden ahead in pennsylvania by 8 points, 52 to 44 . Biden leads by three points in florida, 48 to 45 . Likely voters in both states say the top issue for them is the economy. Coronavirus, law and order and racial inequality are the other main issues. Speaking of coronavirus, the latest count shows more than 187,000 known deaths. The cdc is telling states to get ready for distribution of a coronavirus vaccine, maybe this fall. This morning, dr. Anthony fauci responded to that. If you look at the projection of the enrollment and the kinds of things youll need to get a decision about whether the vaccine is safe and effective, most of us project that thats going to be by november, december, by the end of the year. It is conceivable that you could have it by october, though i dont think that thats likely. Today White House Press secretary said that the Trump Administration is not pushing the fda to distribute a vaccine. Can you address the assertions that you are pressuring the fda to come up with a vaccine before election day. No one is pressuring the fda to do anything. Let us begin in wisconsin, where the former Vice President is holding a Community Round table. Nbcs mike memoli is standing by outside the event. What can you tell us about this visit today . Reporter joshua, the first order of business when joe biden touched down in milwaukee a little over an hour ago was to meet with the family of jacob blake, as well as the representatives of his legal team. Just beginning inside is what theyre calling a community conversation. Its a socially distant conversation. Joe biden listening at this point, sitting in front of the church. Participants include local elected officials, local faith leaders, as well as a former police chief from kenosha, a Police Officer from kenosha, and a representative of black lives matter local organization as well. So a very different kind of visit to kenosha than what we saw from President Trump days ago when his focus was simply on the devastation to some of the local businesses by some of the violence that we saw in the aftermath of the shooting of jacob blake. This is the kind of contrast that the Biden Campaign has tried to highlight throughout this process. The Trump Campaign very clearly thought that the winning message for them would be a law and order campaign. The Biden Campaigns view is if you remember how he launched his campaign, it was focused squarely on the protests and counterprotests in charlottesville in 2017. That was what joe biden said motivated him to get into this race. You saw joe biden travel to houston to meet with George Floyds family and now in the wake of another incident which has roused real concerns about police practices, as well as criminal justice in this country, joe biden trying to be a convener and a healer rather than someone, as the Biden Campaign sees in the president , someone who is trying to divide the country. Thats nbcs mike memoli traveling with the Biden Campaign in kenosha, wisconsin. Lets continue with daniel moody and the cohost of democracyish, and also with us is bill crystal, the founding director of defending democracy together. Good to have you with us. Daniel, let me start with you. On tuesday, President Trump stood in front of a pile of rubble in kenosha. Today joe bidens agenda takes him inside a church. How do you think each candidates imaging will play to their bases, and maybe to any undecided voters out there . Well, joshua, if you remember back in 2017 when donald trump put his hand on the bible and was being inaugurated as the 45th president of the United States, he talked about american carnage. He talked about death in the streets that were going to be coming to an end because he was becoming president of the United States. We had no idea what he was talking about then, we didnt realize that it was going to be foreshadowing to what trumps america looks like today. And so the picture of him walking through the rubble is very much reminiscent of what he talked about back in 2017. This is trumps america and hes trying to convince us that hes a bystander as Vice President joe biden said of his own presidency. Hes saying if we elect him president , hes going to stop all of the things that are occurring while hes president of the president of the United States right now. So i think that former Vice President joe biden is making a very smart move in going to kenosha. My only wish is that he had gone there before donald trump had gone there, but hes doing it in all the right ways. Hes reached out to the blake family in a real way, not lied about it like donald trump did. And i think that hes a unifier and he is very empathetic to the loss that people are experiencing right now. Bill crystal, the president approved a memo to begin restricting federal funding from cities with democratic mayors. The administration apparently deems to be in their words anarchist jurisdictions. Congress decides how federal funds are spent, so not spending them could prompt a court challenge. What funds are we talking about and what is the upshot of all of this . I mean, its a patently illegal executive order. The president does not have the ability to say these drug rehabilitation funds or housing funds, there are many different programs that send funds to cities and suburbs, and the president cant just decide on his own to stop them because he and his attorney general have decided that one of these cities is, quote, an anarchist jurisdiction because they dont like the Law Enforcement strategies that the mayor or the Police Commissioner has chosen in those cities. You know, so the thing will not happen. Hes asking the attorney general to get back to him in 14 days with a list and then omb in 30 days. It will have no real effects and it will be stopped by the courts if he tried to put it into effect. But it is startling. It shows trumps mindset, which is he gets to decide to cut off funds to cities whose policies he doesnt like. He doesnt have to go to congress and say we should produce funding for this or make it contingent on that. And what really startled me, having been in the government some, is the white House Counsel must have drafted that memo. I dont think donald trump wrote a fivepage memo by himself. The Justice Department must have signed off on it. Theyre enabling him in his authoritarian efforts. Its very dangerous and it shows how much all these safeguards, the guardrails that were there in the first couple of years mostly of the trump presidency, theyre gone. And this is just a memo. Are we confident that on october 15th we dont have bill barr come forth and say we have intelligence that shows the Biden Campaign has been in touch with the chinese and are we confident that the director of National Intelligence wont come forth with something . This is what worries me the most. Trump has the executive branch at his disposal and the normal constraints on a president for using parts of the executive branch totally for his own political purposes, a lot of those, unfortunately, have gone away. Danielle, President Trump is still calling on North Carolina voters to vote twice, once by mail, once by person to basically test the integrity of mailin ballots. Heres part of what he said. Let them send it in and go vote. If their system is as good as they say it is, obviously they wont be able to vote. The president sent tweets urging people to go to your polling place to see whether or not your mailin vote has been tabulated and counted, unquote. Danielle, it is illegal to knowingly vote twice. You can cast a provisional vote in person if youre not sure, only one will count, but the president is literally suggesting that people commit voter fraud. Do you think this is just bluster, do you expect this to have a real effect . When i found out that he said this, my eyes crossed. I couldnt believe that was actually said out loud. This is the thing, joshua. This is why were in the trouble that were in, is because our better morals want to lead us right now and tell us that donald trump cant possibly be telling voters of the United States to commit voter fraud. He cant possibly be unlifting white nationalists, he cant possibly be condoning murder by kyle rittenhouse. No, donald trump is an autocrat and you should believe him the first time that he speaks. This is not bluster. This is not a joke. He is signaling to his followers to commit crimes for his benefit. That is what a dictator does and Everyone Needs to stop making excuses about what it is that hes saying or believing his staff when they tell us, oh, he didnt mean that tweet or he didnt mean what he said. He means what he says. He knows what he is doing. This is strategic and we need to Pay Attention to it. And democrats, frankly, need to hammer in the point that this president is going to do anything to steal this election and we need to make it too big to rig. The old quote, when someone shows you who they really are, believe them the first time. Bill, attorney general barr recently said mailin voting is susceptible to largescale fraud and said that logic would dictate that it is. Top Election Officials from both parties have cited evidence otherwise. Barr also said that expanding mailin voting is, in his words, playing with fire because of the threat of fraud. How do you see all of this affecting the election, bill . I think just to pick up on danielles point, they want to create a sense of chaos, a sense of uncertainty, a sense that things are messed up. So one voter in North Carolina, lets just say, goes to the polls and maybe there is one in 1,000 that they sent in the ballot and they dont have the record and then he comes out and said, my god, i voted twice. Who knows how many people voted twice. Who knows what kind of fraud and rigging is going on in touch with the Trump Campaign and white house and suddenly President Trump is on television saying the whole thing is rigged, we cant count any of the mailin ballots or i need to have the Justice Department and the Homeland Security send people down and were not going to count those that come in by mail. Theres huge opportunities by creating a sense of chaos for trump to intervene, not huge opportunities, but some opportunities for him to intervene and really to damage peoples confidence in the outcome and conceivably to actually steal the election. Thats what i think is going on here. The chaos is trumps friend. Danielle, before we go, yesterday the commission announce today moderators for this years events. We are thrilled that Nbcs Kristen Welker will host the third debate. A statement from the Trump Campaign reads in part, quote, these are not the moderators we would have recommended. Some can be identified as clear opponents of President Trump, meaning joe biden will have a teammate on stage, unquote. Danielle, what is the strategy . Wasnt the Trump Campaign asking for more debates than the three that are being planned and also asking for them to start sooner than september 29th . Yes, all of that would be true. The reality is that the Trump Administration doesnt want a debate that is going to have, you know, questions, facts, really hold him accountable for his record, which is abysmal because hes a failed president. He doesnt want any of that. And so if he cant have a slate of fox news or info wars or Rush Limbaugh up there throwing softballs, then apparently its going to be a terrible debate, according to trump. Rick snider endorsed joe biden this morning. What do you make of that in terms of michigan . There are a number of people who usually vote democrat that went for donald trump in 2016. Is the former governor an outlier . Hes an outlier, but it only takes 1 , 2 , 3 of the trump 2016 voters, of the normal Republican Voters to switch to defeat donald trump. Thats why they matter. The huge majority of republicans will vote for donald trump, but if its 88 instead of 94 , that flips three or four states and gives the election to joe biden. Bill crystal, danielle moody, thank you for starting off the program. Still to come, we know what happened after the world saw George Floyds death caught on camera. Now theres another disturbing video of another deadly confrontation between a black man and the police. Bill barr says russia is not the biggest foreign threat to the 2020 election. Well tell you who he says it is coming up. These are live pictures of kenosha where president ial candidate joe biden is at a round table with community leaders. Hes trying to convey a message of healing. Well show you more from the event, monitor it as the hour goes on and bring you the latest ahead. D. 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As a matter of fact, kennedy was assassinated the day i graduated. I came home and my city is the only city in the United States of america occupied by the military since reconstruction for ten months. Every single corner was someone, a military person standing there with a drawn bayonette. Not a joke, ten months. I had a job with a good law firm, one of the oldest law firms in the state. And after a while i concluded that i was in the wrong place. They were good people, but i couldnt become a public defender. And i used to have interview my clients in what they called the northeast corridor where amtrak runs from washington to new york, that area that goes right through my city. And i used to interview clients down in the basement of that train station where they were arraigned. And here i was thinking that and we had the eighth largest black population of any state in the population as a percent of the population, and we were, to our great shame, a slave state, although we were one of those border states who fought on the side of the north, thank god. But anyway, make a long story short, what happened was i thought black and whites would never be in my city talking to each other again. And here i was, literally 40 years later to the month, on january 17th, standing on a platform of that very same train station and looking out over what we call the east side, which had been burned to the ground literally. It had been completely levelled. They came in and levelled everything. And then across the river there was the third street bridge that was overwhelmingly 100 an africanamerican community. And i was standing on that platform on january 17th, waiting for a black man to come 26 miles from philadelphia to pick me up and take me on a train ride to washington, d. C. 10,000 people standing down below, cheering. And my son, beau, was alive then. He was the attorney general of the state of delaware at the time, and my daughter, who is a social work, the Largest Program in the state, and my son who was running the World Food Health program, usa, the Largest Program in the world, and i called them up and it all of a sudden hit me, here i was and

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