First, Rudy Giuliani is not the most precise speaker. It is certainly possible that he is very diplomatic of you. It is certainly possible that he misspoke here. Its not necessarily the bomb shell that just happened. It certainly points to a problematic issue. During the campaign, we know this, there was a pursuit by the Trump Organization to have a trump tower in moscow. It is going to raise questions of if not collusion, per se, or conspiracy, at least some sort of mutual beneficial relationship. If donald trump could be making money from influential russians, even the russian government if this tower were to go through. And i think what we saw from Rudy Giuliani yesterday, its a bigger picture. Sort of their new defense. Theyre overall strategy is like when weve seen the president shift his explanation whether its about the hush money payments or episodes of collusion, first it was complete denial, and now its just well, if it happened, it wouldnt be a crime. Right. Youve covered this administration for some time, jonathan. Why do they continue to put out Rudy Giuliani . Why is he the sunday morning show guy or is he the best voice for legal matters pertaining to the president of this administration . Not to put you on the spot. I know youre going to talk to him later. Its a few things. First, for a long time there was no one in this role. The president really wanted a public face an attack dog. Someone to mix it up on the sunday shows, a role Rudy Giuliani has embraced. And yes, he has caused some trouble and confusion along the way. I will say there are a number of key members of the president s staff in the west wing who are always holding their breath every time Rudy Giuliani goes on television. Theyre afraid of what hes going to say next. He feels like the president has been effective in putting his case out there and muddying the waters. Theres so much for people to keep track of. Its easy to get confused. Its all the shifting narratives. He feels like this is good for him with the public and also macon fu may confuse the members of congress. Rudy giuliani is dry ice for the trump white house. I mean, hes kind of this fog machine. Youre not sure whether hes totally in possession or i should say in control of what hes saying as you said he said november 2016. That sounds like a bomb shell. S he might have meant november 2015. That serves the purposes of the of the president. Because the whole idea here is simply to on if i skate. Its to create a cloud of confusion in the mind of the public that you lose track. In that sense, whether Rudy Giuliani is crazy like a fox or just crazy doesnt matter. Hes achieving the same thing. Its effective. Truth isnt truth. Joyce, one of those answers he gave is a reversal. The other is setting the ground work for a reversal, it appears. From a legal standpoint, would there be any reason Rudy Giuliani would do that other than what brett suggested, confusion . Well, since i dont have to speak to Rudy Giuliani later today, maybe i can be a little more freer with my comments. Ill just say that Rudy Giuliani is clearly running a pr strategy thats unworthy of a former United States attorney thats just incredibly and increasingly unseamly. Because what hes doing as weve discussed is trying to obscure the truth. Hes trying to make sure that the American People dont know what the truth is. And often hes the lost leader. Hes the one who comes out in front, new facts that are undeniable. He has the fact trump was negotiating with russia. He told the American People he had no more dealings with russia, and rudy puts this out in a way so by the time the truth comes to light from legitimate sources, the American People are numb to it. No legal impact. Just a pr strategy. A revelation from that conversation that Rudy Giuliani had on television was about the reach of the special counsel. Heres what he said. Theyre going back to 1982. 1983. Theyre going through business records. Now, again, we should point out we dont know if thats actually true, but if he is telling the truth, joyce, that theyre examining the president s Business Practices going back decades, what does that tell you about the information in the case bob mueller is building . Theyre concerned about the president s history with russia and other foreign countries. The way you understand today is by understanding yesterday. And thats true more so than any place else when youre looking at financial records. It would be irresponsible if they didnt look at what they had available to them, and this idea that the president can draw a red line and say you cant look at my personal finances is ridiculous. No one is above the law. Trump is not above the law. Investigators we should trust them to do their job. Theyve proven trustworthy so far. Heres the thing. Theres this new poll from nbc news and the wall street journal. The poll shows that 62 , 62 polled say they believe trump is not being honest and truthable about russias 2016 meddling. 34 say hes honest. And the party is still with him. Why . For one thing, trump has made truth kind of optional. I think jimmy carter said he promised never to lie to the American People. Trump promises only to tell lies to the person people. Second, i think the Republican Party has priced in trumps sort of congenital okay. They say okay, hes dishonest. Hes a liar. Thats okay. Thats the gentlest explanation i can offer. The sad fact is the Republican Party has adopted the kind of standards that they denounce when democrats are alleged to have practiced those standards. Think of the way the republicans treated clinton during the impeachment saga. The ultimate answer is its a naked case of hypocrisy. One of the things that continues to strike me. Mulvaney named white house chief of staff over the weekend. We should point out acting white house chief of staff over the weekend. And the things that mulvaney said about this president a few years ago, and its one thing to criticize a persons policy. He said hes not a good person. Hes not a good person. And yet, now hes his chief of staff. Thats what weve seen many republicans have to do. They express reservations about donald trump, the candidates character back in 2015, 2016. Now that hes president , they are mostly terrified of his twitter account, theyve fallen in line. Mulvaney is a perfect example. Hes done a good job of cozying up the president. He has fallen in line with a lot of his core principals and ideology. Mulvaney is someone people are revoo relieved was chosen for the post. They feel hes reasonable and has got hill experience. Hes pretty well liked but can improve relationships there and as they gear up for the president s not only Reelection Campaign but for the impending siege from the house, the democraticcontrolled house. But he is someone who has been critical of the president in the past, but donald trump for now is willing to forgive that. But the word acting is in the title. That could change at any minute. And apparently it was mulvaneys idea to keep it in the title. Thank you both. Joyce, always good to have you. Thank you as well. Staggering numbers show the extent of russias manipulation of social Media Networks in attempts to influence the american political process. Two new draft reports prepared for the Senate Intelligence committee obtained by nbc news found russia used every major social media platform to create content to help elect President Trump and to support him while in office. The report notes the russian campaigns heavily focussed on the African American community. Facebook officials told officials the campaign reached 126 Million People on facebook and 20 million more on instagram. Ken delaney has the new details. Ken, lets start with how widespread this russian effort was, and why target African Americans . Sure. Well, in terms of numbers, craig, the researchers believe it was higher than what facebook was saying there. They counted more than 250 million engagements with these propaganda posts on facebook and instagram alone. I mean, this was an extensive effort to sort of turn the crown jewels of the American Technology industry which have so expanded democratic speech online. Turn that against the American Public by manipulating voters with propaganda. That jumps out. They targeted the African American community and these reports dont explain why. They make clear part of it was intended to suppress the vote and raise questions about Hillary Clinton and her candidacy for presidency. And theres a long history in soviet propaganda going back decades of trying to exploit racial tension in the United States. It appears this russian effort picked up on that. These reports analyze millions of posts by the Internet Research agency which is the st. Petersberg russia investigation. It charged executives with conspiracy against the United States. This is not the first were hearing about this activity. But these two reports prepared for the Senate IntelligenceCommittee Really give us new information about the scope and the really sort of genius tactics that the russians used. This is something that they started back in 2012. They were preparing a long time. And they swung it into action for the 2016 election, and theyre still doing it to this day. And youtube was the. In terms of African Americans alone, the these reports counted ten Youtube Channels targeting African Americans and more than 571 videos focusing on black lives matter and police brutality. 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Eliquis, the number one cardiologistprescribed blood thinner. Ask your doctor if eliquis is whats next for you. Lets dive into the Russian Disinformation Campaign aimed to American Voters during the campaign and continuing into his presidency. Two draft reports prepared for the Senate Intelligence committee reported by nbc news and the Washington Post found russia made widespread use of social media to support donald trump the candidate and to support donald trump the president. Lets bring in anish. Thanks for your time. This Research Done by Oxford University and a Cyber Security company. It offers new details of how russians looking at the Internet Research agency essentially divided up the American Public into Interest Groups and directed messaging aimed at the groups. What was it for the russians . What was the end game . Do we know yet . Great question. I dont know if we can speak to the end game for the russians. Perhaps the bigger news coming out of the report is the capacity for any organization to divide the country in this manner. It might help us get smarter about the use of these platforms in the elections context. Whether the actor is russia or a campaign or organization, the fact that your information that might have been shared for purposes of sharing pictures of your family with loved ones might be used to exploit you to affect your vote, thats troubling for all americans. The russia story and their motives are one thing. Understanding the capacity in these platforms is another. I hope it will give us another push to get congress to move on an internet privacy bill of rights. Most of the focus has been on facebook and twitter. Take a look at these instagram numbers. Russians operated 133 instagram accounts according to the reports. Posts went from 2600 a month in 2016 to 6,000 in 2017. Russian gram posts generated 185 million likes and 4 million user comments over three years. What groups of people did the russians target . What do we know about these groups . I think what youll learn more than anything else is if you want these reports are going to be great to understand where the digital platforms are moving. And i think youre getting a signal here about where audiences are shifting and engaging more online. Instagram clearly appearing as one of the more high growing platforms for these types of activities. The troubling allegation here is that one can identify through unexpected means that this is a you sign up for an account on a social media platform. You share information and like and engage thinking youre doing something about a cause you care about. And that information is being exploited on the back end. It doesnt matter where the platform is facebook or instagram. Now both owned by the same company. Rather, how its being reused for ad targeting programs in ways the American People havent understood or appreciated. As specifics, in this example as you heard in your earlier segment, clearly the African American segment was less reported and is going to get the most concentrated focus given the fact that that community in particular was a lot about persuasion but rather convincing them not to vote in many ways. Thats a troubling sign for the health of our democracy. Voter suppression. Social media giants, as you know, are big spenders when it comes to lobbying. These are some numbers for the center for responsive politics. Google, 60. 5 million on lobbying this year alone. Facebook nearly 9. 8 million. Has that bought them immunity on capitol hill or are we likely to see real changes with the way congress deals with Silicon Valley . I believe those numbers while an indication of the symptom or disease of washington politics arent the case for how were going to move forward here, i believe theres growing bipartisan consensus and we have to take this wonderful aspect of our economy and bring rules of the road here, especially as it relates to the elections and transparency. Heres the other point. The platforms have every capability to make changes themselves. Its going to be the case for the next several decades that the pace of technological change will exceed our policymaking response. So it is incumbent on organizations to have code of conduct or ethics that would allow them to think about how their platforms might be misused. I dont think any of these platforms intended that they be made available for misuse, and yet, they clearly were. So my hope is yes, we want regulatory action and i think there will be an internet privacy bill of rights this year. I also hope the industry will start to organize themselves in an ethics framework for ai and Machine Learning and some of the underlying technologies that allow for this type of exploitation and scale. We need an all hands on deck approach and the lobbying my hope here is the American People are going to rise up and say weve got to get this under control. Thank you for helping us take that deep dive. Youre welcome. A major Court Decision could lead to a new fight on capitol hill with the health of millions of people hanging in the balance. What it could mean for people whose lives literally depend on it. Managing my type 2 diabetes wasnt my top priority. Until i held her. I found my tresiba® reason. Now im doing more to