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MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Craig Melvin August 7, 2019 15:00:00

Shooting. His visit coming just hours after he continued to sow more division about with his rhetoric. As he is said to head to el paso next, his visit may be less than welcome there. Well have two people telling me why they dont want the froze come. Also a forceful rebuke of racism. Senator and president ial candidate cory booker just delivering a major address from another site motivated by hate. Emanuel church in charleston. Well play part of what he said a few minutes from now. But we start with President Trump on the ground in ohio. A live look at Air Force One on the tarmac at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. Hell be visiting places where shootings took more than 30 lives over the weekend. He will be meeting with victims, First Responders there and then he will will be traveling to el paso, texas. The leaders of both cities have made it plain that the president s divisive rhetoric is not welcome. Before he left the white house President Trump talked about their concerns. I think we have tend to it down. Weve been hitting weve been getting hit left and right from everybody, many of the people i dont know, a couple of people from texas, political people from texas that arent doing very well. So theyre trying to make political points. I dont think it worked because, you know, i would like to stay out of the political frame. I think my rhetoric is a very it brings people together. President trump saying that his rhetoric brings people together. We get details now from Nbcs Kelly Odonnell at the white house, Gabe Gutierrez in ohio and, kelly, ill start with you. Can we expect the president to continue tweeting about those who criticize his rhetoric today . Hard to know, but i think of the course of the next several hours where the president is on the ground and visiting, perhaps in that window of time it is less likely that the president would engage in tweets. He tends to do those more when hes got some time to himself and his Team Sometimes will prepare a tweet that recaps a visit. So perhaps well see that. He is with the first lady and sometimes that also changes the nature of the visit. This is the president in a more ceremonial mode, not in the raw political kind of vibe that we sometimes see the president in. Well have to see it play out. The president sometimes has a different perception of how his own rhetoric plays. You can certainly take that from his dmon his comments to reporters where he describes himself as toning it down when many of his critics believes that his words and policies and actions have inflamed a lot of the political environment in which we live right now. So the president will have an opportunity to see First Responders, a community where he often has support and can make a connection. He will meet with local political leaders who often city by city can put aside their immediate differences and be civil and polite in these circumstances. We may see that play out. And theres an opportunity for Office Holders to speak frankly among themselves if they choose do that. Well see if that plays out. The president s going on a day like this knowing that there are many people who would prefer that he would have stayed here in washington or hold him to account to some degree for a role in this. Makes it a difficult trip for everyone, those who would prefer he not be there and to some degree for the president himself. So its not comfortable, really, for anyone involved. And so the president has to tread lightly and those who will receive him will also perhaps have some discomfort. That puts some real onus on everyone as the president and first lady there will have their first opportunity to make an impression. Kelly odonnell for us there at the white house. Thank you, as we watch President Trump and First Lady Melania Trump descend from Air Force One. On the ground to greet the president we just saw the mayor of dayton, ohio. The democrat who said earlier this week that she was disappointed in the president s remarks. She did say, though, that she would welcome him to dayton. She also said that she would welcome protests as well. We do expect to see some protests in dayton, ohio, and el paso, texas. Also on the tarmac theyre greeting the president , ohio senator rob portman and i believe i see Sherrod Brown there, ohio senator Sherrod Brown, the democrat and the republican senators there from the Buckeye State on the tarmac. We also are expecting that theres Governor Mike Dewine as well, the ohio governor. The republican, by the way, governor dewine, i was in dayton earlier this week as he attempted to speak at a vigil in dayton, ohio, he was interrupted interrupted by chants of do something, do something from those who had assembled for that vigil there in dayton on sunday night as we see the first lady and president continue to greet folks there on the tarmac. This is again Wright Patterson Air Force Base. Also worth pointing out that there were actually three active duty airmen from Wright Patterson Air Force Base who sustained some minor injuries early Sunday Morning while they were evacuating the scene of that Mass Shooting in the Oregon District there in dayton. Its an Air Force Base this is northeast of dayton, ohio, as we watch the president continue to talk to some of the folks there who have assembled on the ground meet him. Weve got to wonder what the president s saying to them and what they are saying to the president of the United States. Gabe gutierrez has been on the ground there in dayton, ohio, since all of this went down over the weekend. Gabe, what has been the reaction there . In dayton splisk to President Trumps visit . Actually you were talking about we were starting to see some protests here and from our Camera Position, its tough to see with some traffic being backed up, this is in front of Ned Peppers Bar near where that shooting happened. You can see there seems to be some heated discussion happening over there between some of the demonstrators here not happy with President Trumps visit. As you mentioned him just touching down. But theres another i guess counterprotester waving a 2020 keep America Great flag. And theres some discussion about certainly whether the president should be here or not. Hasnt gotten too heated just yet, just several dozen protesters thus far. But, craig there is what weve been seeing over the past couple of days here of some skepticism over President Trumps visit. Certainly not as heat heard as it has been in el paso. But the mayor of dayton has said that the president s comments were not on monday were not helpful. She says that she doesnt think that the president s rhetoric or rather the president s rhetoric has caused a lot of pain here. So, again, we are here right in front of Ned Peppers Bar. This is in the historic Oregon District where this Mass Shooting happened. Nine People Killed, more than 30 injured early Sunday Morning. Right now several dozen protesters have gathered not happy with President Trumps visit and, as you can see, a counterprotester over there, President Trump supporter appears to be having a heated discussion with them over there. We expect this to play out over the next couple of hours. Weapon do n we do not know too many details of the president s visit right now. Hes set to meet with victims families and First Responders but this is the scene right now here in dayton. Can we see on the right side of the screen, gabe, if you could have your Photographer Pan back over and if we can make this picture a little larger on the right side of the screen so we can get a better sense of the tony, if you can yeah, lets pan over there. Were trying to get were kind of locked down in our Camera Position here and well try to get a better picture. If we can head over there. But right now were kind of zooming in over there. Several dozen protesters, some media there. You see some of these these People Holding signs, some of them saying dump trump. Another protester saying the sign dayton loves happy people. Certainly alluding to some of what many of these protesters see as divisive rhetoric the president has. Now were hearing louder cries of do something, craig. Youll remember several days ago this was the part that we heard during the very emotional vigil here. Several hundred if not thousand of people were right here in the Oregon District on sunday, sunday evening, just less than 24 hours after that shooting. Theres wa a chant ths a chant d do something right when Governor Mike Dewine took the stage. Its building over what some of these protesters feel is not being done at the federal level to curb some of this gun violence. Over the last few days Governor Mike Dewine saying he backed several gun Gun Control Restrictions, tighter Gun Control Restrictions as well as red flag laws. A lot of questions here in ohio whether that will go anywhere with the republicancontrolled legislature. But right now we are seeing just, you know, some frustration, anger here building about the president s visit. Certainly not as heated, at least from what i can tell, that weve heard is happening in el paso. This is a different situation here. Again, as part of the investigation, if i can mention some of of that, yesterday the federal investigation into this shooting, the fbi opening a federal investigation saying that up until now this does not appear to be racially motivated. But there is still a lot of frustration here, craig, about just in general gun control. Weve spoken with many people in and around involved with this shooting, including people that knew the gunman. Theres a lot of discussion about Mental Health, mental illness, whether red flags were missed. But also frustration about whether, you know, he should have been allowed to have this weapon. Although, as you know, craig, investigators have said there was nothing in his criminal history that would have prevented him from purchasing this weapon. We understand that he would have that he legally purchased it from an online retailer in texas. Gabe. In any case, now were looking at the situation unfolding, some chanting here, some discussion here gabe. About whether President Trump should visit here. Go ahead, craig. While you were reporting there was another protest that appeared to start there in dayton. This is the scene not far from Miami Valley Hospital there in dayton, ohio. And, gabe, this is actually not far from where you, as well as you know. We see a number of protesters gathering there. And of course that that giant trump baby balloon that has become fairly popular at protests like this, that pop up ahead of the president s visit to certain places. But the balloon is there, some protesters are on the ground. Gabe, do stand by for me if you can. I want to bring in Ohio Democratic congressman tim ryan now. Ryan running for president and running for the democratic nomination. Congressman, as i understand it you are in youngstown. I know you spent the better part of the week there in dayton. Your district does not include dayton, ohio, but were you invited to meet with the president . Were you invited to greet the president . No, i was not. Not that i know of. If you had been, would you have gone . I was in dayton for a couple days. Probably not. Im not sure. I probably would have consult with the mayor down there to see what she wanted me to do. Ive kind of been following her lead throughout the last few days of doing whatever she wanted me to do. So i would have probably consulted her. Weve heard leaders in these cities in el paso, there in dayton as well, a number of leaders say they would not meet with President Trump. Would you be willing to at least sit down and talk to the president about some ways that we can fix the Gun Violence Epidemic in this country . You always want to leave the door open. But i got to tell you, i mean, this is one of the most disingenuous human beings ive ever watched in my entire life. He gives a speech about unity a couple days ago and last night hes blasting beto orourke. I mean, he just hes disingenuous. He doesnt keep his word. He is in it for the tv show. And hes not connecting and understanding whats happening in the country right now. You mentioned the anger, the fear. People are afraid to go to wahl walmart now. People are afraid to send their kids to school. Kids think theyre going to get killed in school. I mean, lets just stop for 30 seconds and think about what were doing to our kids and then have the president in no way, shape, or form be a unifier of trying to pull people together. He should have said to beto orourke, look, congressman orourke, i understand your passion. Im saying if i contributed to this in any way, shape, or form. When i come to el paso i would love to sit down with you and give me my condolences personally and ask you how you think we can work together. Thats what a leader does. And thats thats not what we have in the white house right now. And our countrys worse off because of it. Youve mentioned before that the president throws rheetor cal jet fuels on fires burning in the country. What would you like to hear from him today to help ease the pain and frustration and the fear that a lot of folks are feeling right now, not just dayton, ohio, but all over the United States of america . Its hard for me to be as frank as i can to see him connect emotionally in this environment. I almost feel like hes incapable of of feeling, you know, that compassion that is needed that barack obama had, that bill clinton had, that george w. Bush had to really connect with people in their pain. And the whole countrys in pain now and we have a president who doesnt know how to connect with people in pain and in many ways makes it worse. So i dont even know what the advice would be. Even if he said something, chances are hes going to revert back later tonight when he gets on his twitter feed or tomorrow morning and cause more and more division. And thats really the concern we all have. Congressman, do you think hes incapable or do you think hes just unwilling . I feel i mean, you know, this is Bar Stool Analysis here. I feel like hes incapable of Feeling Empathy for people and, you know, like i said, im not here to give the guy a you know, an examination here, but i feel like hes incapable of Feeling Empathy. I dont think he deeply understands compassion. He himself said he never cried. I mean, ive cried 50 times since i heard this and being in dayton. And im sure youve been moved too just being there. How do you not feel that emotion that people are going through . I saw an 89yearold woman on a walker as i was walking out of dayton the other day in complete tears, had lived there her whole life. It just moves you. And i dont see that in him. And i think thats thats a real thats really problematic when you have the level of division that we have in the United States, the race issues that we have. These really deep problems that we have in the country, we need a leader who can who can meet everybody in that pain, in that confusion, in that fear, and then begin the Healing Process so that we can move forward. And it makes its way, and im as guilty as anybody, i get really, really mad. And then i, you know, i get really moved to tears. And weve got to figure out how we start healing this country. Because were all so concerned at what were leaving our children. You know, ive got weve got angrydrea and i have thr children and were saying what are we leaving to our kids and how can we fix this and do something . Which the people were chanting the other day. I want to be a part of that dpoi dont think this president s capable of doing that. Sad to say. I know a lot of democrats have been talking to Background Checks, enhancing Background Checks, improving Background Checks on a federal level. Congressman, it is not clear whether that would have stopped the shooter in dayton, whether that would have prevented the shooting kne shooting in el paso as well. In terms of the conversation we should be having about possible legislative fixes, is Background Checks, is reinstating the Assault Weapons ban since 1994 . Is it

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