Going all in on medicare for all. And theyre doing it amid signs that hes lost some ground in recent months. It is increasingly understood that our Healthcare System today is dysfunctional. All right. All over the country people know it is a failed system. And yet people say well, maybe we could do this, maybe we could come up with a 500 page program and well cover you if your income is this or that and only this deductible and that copayment. Question, why cannot we, the most powerful, wealthiest nation on earth do what virtually every other major country does and guarantee healthcare to all people as a human right . [ applause ] all right. Lets talk about it. Joining me now nbc news mark murray. Also with me is kathy, opinion edit it at the Des Moines Register and chrkristine agreer. A big thanks to all of you. Mark, ill start with you. Sanders could be taking a risk here by going all in on medicare for all. This is the Washington Post pointing it out in some new reporting here. Critics have raised concerns about ending private insurance and raising taxes to pay for the proposal. Former Vice President joe biden leading in the polls has railed against it and voters are showing more uncertainty about medicare for all at democratic events. How bafg risig of a risk does te for Sanders Campaign . Its a big risk. Medicare for all is pretty popular but as you mentioned when you dig down into it, its going raise taxes, potentially remove people from the insurance they have through their employers, also add waiting times to see a doctor, that pushes it much more unpopular. Democrats found that healthcare was a very big message for them in 2018. That was actually protecting the status quo. It is also a little bit more risky actually trying to pursue something different. We have actually seen the democratic field break along lines of do you go for medicare for all . Do you build on the Affordable Care act . Do you try somewhere in between . As you mention theres always a risk of going too far on healthcare when the Affordable Care act is more popular than its ever been. Kathy, its a bit risky but he does have some credible issues. Those who lean democrat trust him the most on healthcare. This has been a top tier issue for democrats for some time now. Heres the thing. I moderated a forum last week down in florida and i asked the senator this very question. How do you pay for Something Like this . His contingent is that theres money thats already in the system that would cover the coast of medicare for all. Is this something thats resonating with voters on the ground in iowa . I would say that voters in iowa, first of all, are definitely primed to hear a message about healthcare. It was a big issue even in 2016 when Bernie Sanders ran. And if you ask voters now, healthcare is definitely one of the top issues really kind of behind picking a candidate who can beat donald trump. So medicare for all is a is a good slogan, but as was just mentioned, when you start digging into the details, people start having a lot more questions. That the registers and poll in spring and march had. The vast majority of iowa caucus members said they wanted a candidate who proposed medicare for all or a sort of an incremental move toward a medicare for all type plan. Medicare for all had about 49 , that was a plurality. But now you have people who are on the debate stage, on the national stage, and even Vice President joe biden who are starting to raise doubts about that plan. People are going to start to question well is this the better thing for me, is it going to cut my healthcare costs as much as it would raise my taxes . I think those questions are going to persist for a while. And the senators had some difficulty answering some of those questions as well. Christina, this is coming of course at a time when the senator for vermont appears to be a bit more on the defensive. This is senator sanders, we just showed him there in New Hampshire. This is the senator yesterday. This is the senator on monday talking about the Washington Post and some bias. Take a listen. Anybody here know how much amazon paid in taxes last year . Zero. I talk about that all of the time. And then i wonder why the Washington Post, which is owned by jeff bezos who owns amazon doesnt write particularly good articles about me. I dont know why. But i guess maybe theres a connection. Maybe we help raise the minimum wage and amazon to 15 bucks an hour as well. I heard that and i thought that sounds like something President Trump might say. Yeah, just a little sour grapes. The Bernie Sanders of 2016 was a lot more interesting to democratic voters. I think a lot of people are looking at, say, a Bernie Sanders versus Elizabeth Warren where Bernie Sanders is consistently diagnosing the problem. Too much wealth in billionaires hands and here are some issues and we should do this. And Elizabeth Warren is coming in and saying yes, these are the problems and heres the plan. Heres the systematic plan that i will implement if im president. So i think that theres a frustration hes feeling because hes still polling pretty well, but a lot of that i think is still, a, name recognition and, b, hes carrying over these loyal followers from 2016 but hes not giving them substantive, concrete future planning the way Elizabeth Warren and i would even argue Kamala Harris and Pete Buttigieg are sort of providing iowa voters. Thats a fascinating theory and ive never heard it expressed that way. That makes a fair amount of sense. You just mentioned mayor pete. Josh letterman, our road warrior, is he in des moines. He is following south bend, indiana, mayor, mayor Pete Buttigieg following that campaign. What can we expect to hear from mayor Pete Buttigieg there at the state fair, josh . Reporter well, he really wants to show how he is the most qualified candidate looks like we reporter about yeah, were having some difficulty there with our signal at the state fair in des moines. If we get josh back, we will go back to him. Meanwhile, kathy, ill come back to you, i know your signals strong. What are you hearing in terms of the candidates who have spoken at the state fair over the past few days . Whos made the most significant impression . Well, so its kind of hard to compare when you talk about crowds at the state fair because Elizabeth Warren, for example, had a massive, massive crowd. But it was on slip knot saturday, right . The band slip knot was the grandstand act and the crowds on a saturday are huge. I dont want to take anything away from her, its still hard to draw a crowd at the iowa state fair when theres so much more going on and she had a massive crowd. But i wouldnt expect Pete Buttigieg to have a similar crowd on a tuesday. So, you know, lets not have an unfair comparison there. Kathy yeah. Stand by for one minute. I want to go back to josh for a second. Looks like weve got his signal back. Josh, you with me . Reporter im with you. Okay, go ahead. Your report was cut off there. Sorry about that. Reporter so pete is really trying to focus here in iowa today on how he can best represent Rural America more than some of those candidates who are from the coast and havent lived, spent their lives working in the midwest. So hes rolling out this rural economic plan today here at the iowa state fair focusing on a few key elements. The big ticket item thats getting a lot of attention has to do with immigration, as a matter of fact. He wants to krooet create a Community Renewal visa program where people have overseas would be able to come into the United States to be able to work in parts of the United States where the population is dwindling, they dont have enough people to be able to work and promote the economy. Pete buttigieg also wants to pay farmers to do conservation work to help with climate change. He also wants to continue to investigate about 80 billion to create Rural Broadband across the country, things that he thinks will give a jolt to the economy here in Rural America. Josh letterman for us there. Thank you so much. Meanwhile, christina, we know this is a critical time for polling right now. A number of the candidates at risk of not make the debate stage for the third debate. Houston cron colonel editorial board. They released this piece over the weekend asking former congressmen beto orourke to come home. Saying, quote, beto if youre listening come home. Drop out of the race for president and come back to texas to run for senator. The chances of winning the race youre in are vanishingly small and texas needs you. Theres also a new campaign reportedly trying to recruit John Hickenlooper as well to return to colorado to run for the senate in that state. Likelihood, i mean, do you think this is something that John Hickenlooper and beto orourke are likely to consider . I think people who run for office will always consider running for office. I dont think anythings off the table. But i do understand the tenor of the editorial in the sense when you have someone like Mitch Mcconnell who is blocking substantive policy that would help the vast majority of americans, im thinking gun control right now, it makes a lot of democrats feel when theyre looking at 20 candidates on a stage over two nights, some of those people would be best served being in the senate. And so someone like beto who just doesnt have the traction that he had a few years ago, it seems like hes getting kind of lost in the messaging, maybe hes a vicepresident ial contender, but maybe he should sort of step aside, let the larger conversation take hold and become a senator. Because thats the some of the policy that democrats want to move forward is going to happen is if we take back the senate. Meanwhile, mark, this morning we learn that leon castros campaign theyre running this ad, this attack ad on the president tomorrow in bedminster, new jersey, on fox news through the morning gram. In the ad he goes after the president and his racist remarks clearly hoping to grab some attention. Is this the kind of thing that moves the needle for Julian Castro . Hes hoping so and unlike beto orourke who has qualified for that third round of debates, Julian Castro hasnt just yet. He needs to be able to hit 2 in another qualified poll. So youre going to see candidates trying different things. On the Julian Castro front its an ad on fox news in the bedminster new york market speaking directly to trump on fox news. You end up having Kirsten Gillibrand whos up with a Million Dollars ad buy in New Hampshire to be able to boost her. And then tom steyer who announced this morning that he has crossed the donor threshold having the 130,000 donors needed. Still needs to be able to hit 2 in one more poll and hes been spending like crazy. Win . 2 million on facebook according to my colleague. Millions more on tv in iowa and in New Hampshire. So youre seeing this mad scramble for candidates who have not qualified for the debate stage doing Everything Possible to be able to make it in the next two weeks. Kathy, lets talk about one more contender hoar, senator Kamala Harris. She left iowa with a pretty significant endorsement. The asian latino coalition. These populations are small in a place like iowa, but give us a sense of the significance of this win for the harris campaign, what it means for them. Yes. The asianlatino coalition definitely punches above its weight in iowa politics, democratic politics. It is one group that has had candidates clambering to come and speak to them. Not all of the members are asian and latino. Other democrats also join and follow this group. And so that i would say that is a significant endorsement. Normally i dont put that much weight on endorsements in the iowa caucuses, but i think theyre more significant this time because theres just so many candidates. And so permanent looking for all kinds of cues for ways that they can say, well, you know, this is a candidate i need to take a look at then. And that asianlatino coalition endorsement is one. She also got endorsements from some significant democrats in iowa as well. So so all of that helps. Is it decisive . Maybe not. But, you know, because you mentioned so many candidates in the race, theyre looking for people are looking for ways to narrow down the list of people that theyre considering. Kathy, thank you. Thank you mark murray. Good to have you professor as well. Lets get to breaking news. Right now bottom your screen stocks surging after that announcement that some, some new tariffs planned for china. Those tariffs are being delayed until at least december. Stephanie ruhle joins me now. She covers business for us as well as hosting 16 shows here on msnbc. Which tariffs are delayed . Why the delay . Okay. So the president likes to say hes mr. Market, he also calls himself the tariff man. Today, mr. Market won out because the president is sort of in a box. Yesterday the market was down 400 points. Over the last week we have heard from the ceo of goldman sachs, the analysts at morgan stanley, at bank america warning that the trade war will tip us into recession. The president s got to do something about that, so whats the only lever can he pull . Pull these tariffs. And why . Because remember, tariffs are a tax. So in this case, its consumer goods. Its some clothing, some shoes, some laptops, some cell phones, some video game consoles. And until now, a lot of consumers have talked about the tariffs but they havent felt them. Its back to school. When i go to target in two weeks and i have to buy my Kids Clothing and sneakers and maybe a laptop, if suddenly its a lot more expensive because thats what happens, it gets passed on to the consumer, then i, the consumer, the voter, am going to say, wait a minute, this seasonali isnt working for me and my 401 k isnt doing really well. And the president s big argument is im the money guy, im the business guy. So a move like this kicks the can down the road but it doesnt solve the trade war, it just postpones it. Kicks the can down the street so to speak. I want to ask you about this report looking at debts and the deficits in this country. Apparently historic levels. Historic. There was a time when republicans talked about this ad nauseam. No one seems to be talking about it anymore. Is that just because theres a republican in the white house or is there some sort of economic philosophy or policy thats changed and maybe debts and deficits arent as bad as they used to be . People donl cat care about when its on their watch. I put out a report saying fiscal hawks who cared about debts and deaf fits, where are you . Were up 27 this year compared to last year. For all those who said the tax cuts are going to pay for themselves, well we know that hasnt happened. For those who are supporters of trickle down economics, it hasnt trickled down. So theres your triple threat right there thats sort of your classic gop this is the kind of budget economy we like. And its not what theyre getting. That also could have contributed to the president saying im going to hold off on those tariffs because those same republicans are free market men and women who do not like taxes and tear rifsariffs. So thousand they have a boost in the market and that will quiet them. Always good to have you. We want to go to hong kong right now. More breaking news in hong kong. We are looking at some scuffles inside the airport now in hong kong. Weve seen this this has been the case over the last few days at this airport in hong kong as protesters clash with police there. Protesters had moved to this airport, of course there have been protests in hong kong for almost two months now in the but now youre seeing protesters and riot police clashing. They moved to the airport because the thinking was the police might not be as aggressive as they had been with these protesters on the street. That may not be the case anymore as protesters and riot police clash for a second straight day at the Hong Kong International airport. These are live pictures inside the airport. Over the last few days we have seen teargas being used on a number of these protesters. Not exactly sure at this point if anyone has been hurt just yet. We do have a correspondent there. 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