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MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Craig Melvin March 25, 2020

The latest round of coronavirus economic relief. Its a 2 trillion deal. They are back at noon. They are expected to vote any time after that. We are also waiting right now for new york governor Andrew Cuomos daily briefing. Were told that briefing should start roughly 15 minutes from now. Cuomo has been heated in his calls on the federal government for more medical supplies, for more relief. The underlying message from governors and experts across the country this morning, its only going to get worse before it gets better. There are almost 55,000 known cases in the United States right now. More than 10,000 cases than this hour yesterday. The death toll right now more than 780 americans so far. We start with the deal for that massive 2 trillion aid passes. If it passes, it would be the largest fiscal stimulus package in modern u. S. History. We could see that senate vote on the bill again just a few hours from now, set to reconvene an hour from now. Lets get right to the hill. Msnbcs Garrett Haake is at his post there. There was a lot of tense fingerpointing during the negotiations, but they were able to hammer out a deal in the Early Morning hours, garrett. Walk us through what made it into it. Reporter craig, they added money to just about every part of the deal, from the Cash Payments going out to individuals to how much money states and localities to get, how much money hospitals will get on the front lines. Democrats are also pleased they were able to add more oversight to the money that will go to big corporations, making sure that money is reported out essentially as it happens and money cant go to things like the president s family businesses, for example. Were in the golden age of Conference Calls on capitol hill. Members are getting briefed on all the details of this bill. Both parties in both houses, quite frankly, as everyone is being brought up to speed quickly on what has been a marathon series of negotiations over the last several days. Here is how Chuck Schumer, the top democratic in the senate described how we got to where we are and where we go from here this morning. I think the odds are high well have to do something again. We have to see in the next few weeks what other problems havent been sold. This bill is a good bill. It doesnt have everything i like and there are a few things i dont like. We need it and we need it fast. Big, bold, quick relief for the American Health care system and the american worker. Craig, in terms of timing, we expect to see the senate vote today. Both leaders suggested as much when they spoke around 1 00 this morning. As for the house, theyre out of their gavelin, gavelout session for the day. We may not see action from the house until tomorrow. Obviously theres a widespread need for this bill across the country. Everybody is trying to move quickly, but with 2 trillion in spending and what will probably be a 1,000page bill when the final text is posted, theres only so fast it can go to make sure it works as intended. It doesnt sound like you think this is a bill that could get to the president s desk before friday . Reporter i think friday is probably realistic. Its possible things could move faster than that. Given every step along this process has lasted a little longer than the optimal, i dont know why things would speed up dramatically now. Garrett haake starting us off on the hill. Thank you. Lets turn to democratic congresswoman Debbie Powell from florida, representing miemd county, which currently has the highest number of coronavirus cases in the sunshine state. Thank you so much for your time. Will you be voting for the bill as Garrett Haake just laid it out . At this point we havent seen the final language on the bill. We have been having several conversations with house leadership. A lot of my colleagues and i. The most important aspect is making sure we protect American Families and american workers. From what i gather right now, we have agreed to make payments of 1200 per individual up to for people making up to 75,000 a year. I was pushing for a little higher threshold. We have a lot of independent contractors here in south florida that wouldnt meet the threshold, but increasing support for Small Businesses. Nonprofit organizations are critical. Theyre included in this package. This is a much larger bill or stimulus package than has ever been passed in the United States, much larger than the 2008 stimulus package. Until i see the final words and final language written many this bill, i cant answer that. Its not going to be perfect but we need to move swiftly. Im pushing for that. We heard Senate Minority leader Chuck Schumer allude to something there, theres going to need to be more, probably going to need to be another stimulus package. Of this, whats left, what more do you think we need to see from a legislative standpoint . The most important thing here in south florida just speaking from my perspective and my district, we have lost tens of millions of jobs because of the cruise industry, the airline industry, tourism. Were going to really need to make sure that individuals that are losing their jobs right now are going to be able to receive high level of unemployment benefits. In florida, thats 275 a week that people can receive. We need to ask the governor to increase that amount. This package hopefully will increase it up to 600 in addition to what each state is providing for Unemployment Insurance. I think we are going to see, if we dont take the actions, the necessary actions right now to contain the spread of the virus i have the largest number of cases in south florida in Miamidade County. If we dont have a strict stay at home order, the economic recovery is going to take much longer. I have been calling on Governor Desantis to put in place a strict stayathome order. If not, well see what we saw in wuhan right here in south florida. You mentioned Governor Desantis there. We should note that Governor Desantis is speaking right now. Were monitoring what he is saying. Congresswoman, first of all, have you spoken to the governor of florida recently . No, i havent. I have asked to speak directly to him. I understand hes dealing with quite a bit with this pandemic. Weve had congressional calls with Florida Department of health and people representing his office. Our concern is we didnt see containment initially when we started seeing some Community Spread. At this point its about mid getting the spread of the virus. We know theres Community Spread here. Monroe county, i represent the florida keys as well, we have put in place strict orders. Were closing down the florida keys for tourists. Theyre expecting miemd to act accordingly. I have asked the governor, the Miamidade County mayor, and i think at this point we need to have a National Executive order for a strict stayathome policy. I know the president is idealistic. I know he has hope we can contain this and be back to normal in a couple of weeks. I worked at the fiu medical school. And i speak every day with the Infectious Disease doctor here who had worked with the cdc, and she has been recommending strict stayathome orders now for a few weeks. Thats what im pushing for so we can start our road to economic recovery once we mitigate the spread of the virus. Congressman Debbie Powell of florida there calling for the white house to issue a national stayathome order. Congresswoman, thank you for your time. Nbcs Peter Alexander is at the white house. With we know they were working late into the night to reach the stimulus deal. Whats the administration saying about it this morning . Reporter we havent heard anything formally from the president yesterday. White house officials tell nbc news theres no day lie between treasury secretary Steve Mnuchin as related to this massive 2 trillion stimulus bill, no daylight between him and the president here, that the president was very much expected to sign this. Obviously they still have some devil in the details. But right now, at least within the last half an hour, it was scheduled that mnuchin would be detailing a lot of this to senat senators. Then it goes to the house. That would likely have to be unanimous consent given that so many lawmakers are around right now to deal with it. The bottom line is that the white house, craig, feels good about this. They want to get this done as evidenced by the president s own comments saying, the economy wasnt built to be shutdown. We need to get things going. The president surprised a lot of folks on tuesday, Health Experts when he said businesses would be reopened by easter, churches filled, would be great to see that. What are you hearing about in response from inside the administration . Reporter for clarity, he said i would love for them to be opened up again by easter and raring to go. From dr. Fauci himself, he said that was sort of aspirational. He said we speak to the president. He knows that may or may not happen. You need to be flexible with that date. Obviously the sort of Public Statement the president made yesterday did go against so much of what weve heard from dr. Fauci in recent days and other Public Health officials who insisted its likely to take much longer than that. Foucher said on friday, this is not something would be done in a matter of a week or several weeks. He thought that was simply too optimistic of a pronouncement here. Privately what i hear in the conversations with white house officials the president , as evidenced by his public comments, wants to get this going quickly though. They dont think this will be a red light green light thing, that by easter the lights will be back on and things will return to normal. They think the president may likely at the end of the 15day guidelines they put out to try to stop the spread create some new guidelines that could be a little more focused geographically and demographically. Among the considerations, perhaps, that young people be allowed to go out and start working some places, that older people need to remain in that quarantine for their own safety and to try to stop the spread to the most vulnerable communities as well. States least hit will be able to rev up while california, new york and Washington State wouldnt be able to. Those shutdown orders likely to stay in place. To be clear, this is not the president s decision to make. At the end of the day its up to the states governors. Peter alexander, thank you. Im joined by Carly Fiorina well, we just lost her, ive been told. Facetime just dropped out. Well try to get her back. Meanwhile, overseas spain just hit a tragic new milestone in its fight against the coronavirus. It has now surprised china in the number of deaths, more than 3,400 people have died in spain from this virus. The death toll rising so rapidly there that officials in madrid have actually converted this ice rink into a morgue. Spains death toll second now only to italy, and that country just got another stark development. Their deaths have started to tick back up. Nbcs matt bradley joins me from rome, italy. Matt, is there a sense there that the efforts in italy just arent working . Reporter good question, craig. I cant really get a sense of whats going on here because of this nationwide lockdown. Theres literally no one on the streets. Theyre void of people. The police going around fining people now. Now theyve raised the fine actually, Something Like 400 euros to 3,000 euros of a fine if youre caught loitering or Walking Around on the streets. If youre caught Walking Around and you already tested positive for the virus, you could get up to five years in jail. So its very, very serious here. A lot of people that we have spoken to, and there arent that many people who we have been able to reach, they are frightened and theyre frustrated. Its been two weeks into this nationwide, unprecedented lockdown that has seen all these businesses close. People are very understanding, but theyre waiting for the numbers to start showing that. Whats really heartbreaking about this, you mentioned, double the death rate of china now. Whats really heartbreaking for a lot of people is in the last couple days, the acceleration rate seemed to be going down, the number of deaths were climbing at a slower rate. The number of transmissions had been climbing at a slower rate for just a couple of days. That was optimistic for a lot of people. Now this crushing blow, just last night, the fresh new numbers that show not the unprecedented record setting high that we saw on saturday where it was 793 deaths in one day, 743 is still really bad. Ive been banging this drum for the last two weeks since i got to rome. Italy is the canary in the coal mine for the United States and the rest of the wester world, not just in terms of how the virus spreads but in terms of the lockdown, the Law Enforcement mechanisms being used that are totally novel, totally new, to restrict the movements. Its been a frustrated service for a lot of people and it will be frustrating for americans when they see how this is done. Craig. Matt bradley in rome, stay safe, buddy. We do have Carly Fiorina now. Her connection has been resto d restored. Carly, of course, a former president ial candidate, served on the boards of kellogg, sysco, merck, also on the Republican National senatorial committee. Good to see you. Thanks for your time. As someone with strong redenls in the corporate sector, lets start with this 2 trillion bailout bill. It includes 350 billion for Small Businesses, 500 billion for big corporations. Is this going to be enough . Well, i certainly hope to. 2 trillion is a lot of money on top of record deficits we already have. I must say i am not a fan of the 500 billion in Corporate Bailouts. I never have been. Im all for the very Creative Work that it looks like was done to support Small Businesses, working families, individuals to extend Unemployment Insurance as well as safety net programs. I think the Corporate Bailout should have been left for another day. I think there is real reason to say to the airlines, for example, go into bankruptcy as you have before. You can continue to fly while youre bankrupt. You can continue to pay your employees while youre bankrupt. But a 50 billion bailout for you when you spent the last eight years buying your stock back to the tune of about 46 billion, doesnt strike me as the right way to use taxpayer money. I think we should focus on individuals, working families and Small Businesses. So im pleased there is a focus on them in this bill. But eventually a bill will come due and i think the Corporate Bailout was too much, too soon. Maybe we didnt need it ever. You mentioned Small Businesses. My guy in town runs a chinese food shop that we frequent. We still get delivery from this place. One of his concerns that he expressed to me, Small Business owner, even if Congress Passes this bill, the president signs it, by the time these Small Businesses actually get the help, it will be too late. They will have already had to close their doors. What do we do in the interim . I think its really an important question. I think actually this is why i hope this is why the Federal Reserve and the treasury and, for example, the sba, will all be working together here. In essence, what the Federal Reserve has said is they will make virtually unlimited amounts of money available to banks to lend. So i think what needs to happen in the interim, what i would encourage that particular Small Business owner to do is contact immediately, if they have not already, their bank as well as the sba and ask for the loans that are necessary to continue to pay their employees during this difficult time so that when better times return, their employees can come back and the business is still there. I do think we have to think about all of these packages of assistance in a holistic way. The Federal Reserve has stepped forward to make limitless amounts of money available to be lent, and thats helpful in this interim period. I want your response to the president s suggested timeline that we heard for the first time yesterday carly, well have to come back to that a little later. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo starting his daily briefing. Lets listen in. We have not turned the trajectory nor have we hit the apex. Remember that line is going to reach a high point, tip and go back down. Were still on the way up the mountain. Number of infections that have been coming in, 80 still selfresolve. About 15 of the people who test positive require hospitalization, and then there are degrees of hospitalization, right . But the t

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