The april jobs report is out this morning. United states lost a record 20. 5 mill jun jobs last month. The Unemployment Rate has spiked to 14. 7 . Thats up from just 4. 4 in march. Its the highest level of unemployment in the United States of america since the great depression. Right now more than 1. 25 million cases of coronavirus so far, more than 76,000 americans have died. Just this morning, President Trump says hell be getting tested in the future for coronavirus antibodies. We have our doctor on duty, dr. Cory ayber is with us. We want to start with our team of reporters covering the devastating impact of the jobs numbers. Lets go right now to nbcs Senior Business correspondent stephanie ruhle. Steph, what are you hearing from Small Business owners . Reporter well, obviously 20 Million People in a month is a massive number, but remember, those people are receiving Unemployment Benefits, so they do have some sense of financial security. But what i really want people to remember, there is no historical perspective. These jobs werent naturally shedded because there was no demand. There is demand. We turned off the economy. Look where i am on the Atlantic City boardwalk. All these businesses would love to be open. Theyre not open because were facing a pandemic. So demand is still there, trust me. I have 10 in my pocket. Dog. I cant because were addressing this pandemic. So demand will come back, but you cant expect it to come back with gusto. Right now one in five americans who still have a job have faced a pi cut. We still have huge Health Issues out there. So people wont be rushing back to spend. Yes, 20 billion is a big number. When the number is that big and the demand comes back, its going to take some time for that to happen. I will say, the number one thing im hearing from Small Business owners right now is theyre scared, craig, theyre scared theyre going to get squeezed out. This shop sells beach chairs, surf boards and games. Theyre not entirely closed. You can go down the block to a walmart and brie hand sanitizer, toilet paper and paper towels, but you can buy all those other goods. My takeaway is the biggest will survive. The small guy out there is getting squeezed out. Theyre getting squeezed out now while theyre shut down. Theyll likely get squeezed out as we push forward and they struggle because they have no idea when theyre going to reopen. Steph, to your point here, you mentioned the markets. Theyre up. In fact, we were just showing viewers at home how up they are, if you will. Why isnt there more of a correlation between the stock market and these abysmal employment numbers . Reporter listen, theres clearly a disconnect and maybe there will be some level of a catchup. Remember, the stock market is forward looking. U. S. Stocks are still considered better than other places around the world. Youve got to think about all the support coming in from the fed. The really sad truth is, theyre going to squeeze out the little guy. Those big giant businesses are going to be able to pivot. Theyre going to be able to test their employees. Theyre going to be able to do the temperature takers. Its the Small Businesses here, the restaurants that cant switch to fast casual and drivethrough and pickup, the mom and pops. Theyre going to lose out entirely. We could lose main street america, and those big box giants might only get bigger. Those are the ones you see in the stock market and publiclytraded markets. Stephanie ruhle for us on the boardwalk in Atlantic City, thanks as always, my friend. We got one signal this morning from new Jersey Governor Phil Murphy with regards to those beaches and towns all along the jersey shore. Earlier on today, the governor told me hes looking at the possibility of reopening beaches in time for memorial day weekend with some caveats. Assuming the Health Curves continue to go in the right direction, and thats the big, most important if, and secondly, if folks accept it wont be the same, in terms of it will be a new normal. Probably capacity restrictions, enforcing social distancing, at least those two things. But were going to try to give guidance to folks sooner rather than later. Lets head west now to arizona where some businesses are being allowed to reopen today. Nbcs Vaughn Hillyard is in covid19 nicks. Were seeing some shops reopen today, even though there have been three consecutive days where the death toll hit new highs. How is it going to work there . Reporter exactly, craig. This is a state where the governor is efforting, trying to open up businessing, small and medium sized businesses are allowed to reopen today as well as barber shops and hair salons. At the same time, you just said it, the last three days have been the three highest single day death tolls that the state has recorded from covid19 to date. All this while the state is trying to reopen the economy. Of course, just in the last two months, more than 500,000 arizonans have filed for unemployment claims. Thats why when youre talking to folks in the Retail Business and places like this hair salon, people are eager to get back to work and begin, not only to see their customers, but bring in a little money. I want to introduce to you my hairstylist and friend laura who i grew up with, over to my left. Ive antagonized her enough over the course of my life, i want to introduce you to her friend valley sierra. Youre opening up. Give everybody your take. Well, precautions were taking are, we have a list here. Ill ask if they had a temperature, are they coughing, any symptoms of the covid . If they say yes, they have to go home, see their doctor. Once they get in here, ill offer a mask if they dont have one. Well do things like get rid of magazines and make sure everything is clean. We have our lysol and hand sanitizer, and, of course, regular precautions we do as hair dresser. Were mandated by state law wash your hands and keep your combs clean which are standard in hair salons, but were going to ramp it up. Youve essentially had no business over the last almost two months. What does it mean to get back now . What it means is yay it means happy customers, getting back to some normal see are you supportive of the governors decision . Zblim supportive of his decision, yes. You can also do this while keeping safe . Yes. Reporter craig, thats valley here from phoenix. Vaughn hillyard in phoenix, thank you. Lets go to pennsylvania now where that state is split. Youve got 24 counties starting to partially open back up. The rest of the state is still under a stayathome order. Msnbcs Senior National correspondent Chris Jansing is in bucks county, pennsylvania, where that order is still in place. Chris, how do people there feel about remaining under the stayathome order when theyve got neighbors who are able to go out and conduct business . Reporter that is the key question. Look, everybody wants to stay safe, wants to stay healthy, but there is growing concern and confusion about whats happening here in pennsylvania. I can show you a map. The state has a threetier reopening plan, red, yellow, green, just like a stop light. The yellow areas today are able to reopen. A lot of the retail, in place, to reopen. Where i am in bucks county is the red. Stayathome order and only you come back here, take a look at this beautiful place where im standing. This is peddlers village. Its lots of charming shops, restaurants. They have live events here evidence every month. All this remains closed because theyre remaining in the red. Right at the start of the busy tourist season, they get weekenders from new york city, from philadelphia. A big concern ive heard over and over again is theyre worried that even longtime customers will choose to go elsewhere. Places that are in the yellow, you just talked to the governor of new jersey. They go to new jersey and maryland beaches if theyre open. Here is what a local Restaurant Owner told me just a short time ago. You literally could have a situation where you go an hour, two hours to the west, you can go to a restaurant, retail shop, maybe even a movie. So we probably will lose business to them if we trail them by a month or two or three months. Thats a real concern. Were very worried. Its the difference between even being able to reopen, losing enough money where its not sustainable, you cant stay open anymore. Reporter so how do they decide who stays closed . Its based on the number of covid positive cases. The folks, the commissioners here in bucks county, similar to the state, have said, look, most of our cases are actually in nursing homes. We believe the rest of this county is safe and we should be able to reopen. The answer they got is no. So everything is up in the air, and one more level of confusion, right around the corner from where i am is this darling little shop that sells honey, honey products. He got a letter this week saying actually you are an essential business because raw honey is considered medicinal, you can reopen. Take a look. Where is the foot traffic. He says he only does about 2 of his business online. The businesses ive talked to are doing between zero and 20 of sustainable and no indication of when theyll be able to reopen. Craig. Chris jansing in bucks county,pa. Thank you so much. Let me bring in acting secretary of labor under president obama, seth harris. Seth currently teaching at Cornell Universitys institute for public affairs. Seth, as we dig into these numbers a little more that came out a few hours ago, the struggles of Small Businesses specifically, businesses that chris was just highlighting. What concerns you the most . Im concerned that a lot of those Small Businesses may not survive this economic recession were experiencing. I think theres some expectation that were going to very, very quickly bounce back, and steph was talking about pentup demand and people were going to come out and shop. Were seeing a lot of hesitance among customers to go into retail shops, restaurants, other Small Businesses just because theyre worried about the health risk. In the latest jobs report you were talking about earlier in the show, we saw that almost 90 of workers believe themselves to be temporarily laid off. If thats true, then thats good news for the economy, and those people will bounce right back and get back into their old jobs and theyll be able to support their families. But it will be intriguing to see over the next month or two if that number stays quite as high. If people are, a, not able to get back into their old jobs, if their businesses disappear or go into bankruptcy and shrink dramatically, our recovery is going to be slow and even more painful than it is right now. You noted on twitter yesterday that roughly one in five workers in our country has filed for unemployment since mid march. To put that into some perspective again, its difficult to put things in perspective these days because these waters are so uncharted. This is the third time in 70 years that unemployment has jumped past 10 . Seth, is it true that that number may not actually totally be accurate, that the number may be several Percentage Points higher if thats the case . How can they be . The Unemployment Rate reported today, 14. 7 does understate the effect on our economy. So a number a few other numbers that will help to clarify it, craig. The number of people who simply left the labor force meaning theyre not looking for work anymore, that number doubled. The number of people working part time when they would like to be working full time, that number doubled, and there was a dramatic growth in a classification that bls uses that calls employed but on leave, employed but absent from work. Unclear whether those people are being paid or not being paid. If you add all of those folks up, we could be at a 24 or so outofwork rate which would be the highest since the great depression. So we have to be a little careful about latching on to one number. On the whole the report gives us a dismal picture, accurate picture, but we have to look broadly across the report to understand all the implications. According to the governor, new jersey sent out about 1. 9 billion in unemployment in just two months. The Treasury Department says california has been the first state to borrow federal money to sustain Unemployment Benefits. How long can states, seth, how long can states survive this burden . Theyll be allowed to borrow for their statement Unemployment Benefits, trust funds, as long as they need to. I have no question in my mind that the federal government is going to allow that borrowing probably at no interest or very little interest. I think we dont want states to have to worry about whether they can pay Unemployment Benefits right now. There will be a reckoning down the road where were going to have to work with states so they can ramp up either their taxes or cut their benefits so that they can afford to refilm their trust funds, but in a crisis, thats not what we do. We just let them borrow from the federal government and pay what they need to pay. Remember, craig, the demand that steph was talking about earlier in the show really depends upon ordinary working people, including those people that were unemployed, having enough money to spend. 70 of our economy is built on consumption. If consumers dont have money in their pockets, if they cant pay their bills, if they cant buy online, if they cant pay for groceries, thats really going to send us into a long lasting economic depression. Those Unemployment Benefits are critical, and i think people in washington and the states understand that. Seth harris, former acting labor secretary under president obama. Thank you very much, sir. Our doctor on duty is dr. Cory abare, a practicing physician, assistant professor at Louisiana State university and tulane. Good to have you back, sir theres a new abc news ipsos poll out and they asked people whether they agree with this statement. Opening the country is not worth it because it will mean more lives lost. 64 agreed. Dr. Abare, from a medical perspective, is right now the right time for businesses across the country to be reopening . I do not think this is the right time for businesses to reopen. Ill tell you, craig, its very, very straightforward. We have to chase facts. Thats whats most important. We have to deal with data and not dates. Once we start to do things that will endanger people, thats when we start we have to get really, really careful about how we do this. Dont get me wrong. We all know the economy is very important and it has to drive everything. When we look at the response of this, we did not do a real good job at the beginning and now were trying to catch up. But also pivot to say some peoples lives are not as important as other poems lives. When you open up a big city like new york city or l. A. , when we know those are unite tis areas for the infection, when you do that, who is going to be operating the hair salons, the food chains and all these things. Its going to be poor people or people of color. Theyre going to be on the front lines, let alone the people dealing with the actual front line care of the covid19 patient. We must understand that we do not want a boomerang effect. What will happen is, in the next 120 days, if this starts to come back up and we also have flu season and we know the virus has mutated, so its hard for us to have a vaccine in january that we know, and theres going to be a big flu outbreak at the same time, do we really want this just so we can actually go have a hamburger, and i think its a very faulty way to do things. I think it should be more of a consolidated approach at the federal level as opposed to a bunch of cowboys in different states deciding what they want to do. Its not appropriate. Even the cdc came out with the guidance to reopen and it was shelved by the white house for their people. We have the cdc, the most comprehensive Research Facility in the entire world and their reopening plan got shelved. Public health is a fourlegged school. Politics, economy, public outcry and science. Science is always last but it should always be first. Public outcry is pushing for these things to reopen. 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