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Come on camera, to let these children know they are not alone. The facility very close to the ride here. They are sure the protesters were making their voices heard to the children inside to the at least 70 children separated from their parents, girls and boys, age 13 to 17. I was speaking to Asylum Speakers as well. We reported earlier in the week from mexico, people desperately trying to cross over, a journey that can take up to three months. I spoke to one asylum speaker from honduras. She came traveling her 11monthold child. It took her six weeks to get to the border. She was turned away for eight days. Eight days on the mexican side trying to get in through the Port Of Entry the right way, as President Trump would say. After she came here, she was given an Immigration Court day. Were following up with her. She has to show up to court this tuesday. She was showing me the documents. Theyre all in english, of course, barely able to make any sense of them. And she cannot afford a lawyer to her her in her asylum case. Thats some of the challenges these families are facing even when they try to seek asylum the right way. Cal, on that point, i go back to that tweet from the president , were going to talk about it later with some legal experts. Hes talking about folks coming to the country being dispatched immediately without due process. There is an ignorance therein, a lack of nuance, with those seeking amnesty as mariana has described. Cal, walk us through the distinction that the president seems to be missing. Reporter the incrennel thing is you learn down here, and mariana can attest as well as anybody. What happens in these courts. It was shocking to me. They come in en masse, and the judge asks them to plead. Everybody uss are you guilty . And everybody goes, si. And they get them out of the courthouse. Its crazy. It gets more complicated when youre talking about the kids. What often happens is the parents end up being deported, the kids end up in a camp behind me. When the president says what we should do is turn people around and send them back without any due process, while theres certainly a lot of due process in existence now, what hes talking about frankly is a violation of international law, david. Weve been fixated on this number 2,053. That Department Says thats the number of children still in custody and what and other colleagues have been reporting throughout the day, those children could very well no longer have parents in this country. Just explain how that can be the case. Talking about the time you both have spend in courthouses, why might be it be the case thatten of those parents are no longer in the same country as their children . Reporter let me paint this picture to add to the color that cal was talking about. They penal who dont even speak the same language as the judge, are given an average of a minute. Their entire life is decided in a minute where they were prosecuted, and basically advised to please guilty so they can be reunitewood their children. So one minute that determines your entire life and your ability to be with your children other parents toll me they were also told to sign documents they didnt even know exactly what they were. Some people telling me that they had to sign they were told to sign the documents in order to see their kids again, because they had been separated. Just imagine the enormous pressure that they are under, these parents. What we are learning is they folks, probably many of them, the parents of over 2,000 children, have already been deported back to central america, now being instructed to call a 1800 number from rural honduras or guatemala or el salvador, to try to locate these kids. In the facility behind me, we learned yesterday that the unit in charge of helping these kids locate their parents and reunify is off on the weekends. They dont work saturdays and sundays. If you want to locate your kid, youre just going to have to wait until tomorrow. Mariana, thank you, and caliperry, thank to you as well. Theres more than just spanish spoken, a lot of indigenous languages. The challenges are indeed big. Im joined by a pan. Katy, lets talk about folks signing documents that might not know what those documents are. If one pleads guilty, leaves the country, wants to come back legally, i can imagine this can present a host of problems who then wants to try to gain citizenship in this country. Absolutely. In those fleeting minutes when the plea of guilty is taken either in english or spanish, that plea of guilty will be used against somebody who is either a refugee, which means they have started the process in their own country, or someone seeking asylum, fleeing persecution, but theyre actually here. Its a federal crime, a misdemeanor, but if you try it again, it becomes a felony. Right now what is happening is, in my legal opinion, when youre presenting these options to people in fleeting minutes and basically saying if you want to see your kid again, you have to plead guilty, i think thats being done under duress, and duress is an ability for someone to say they did not knowingly and intelligently basically waive their rights. If somebody wants to ultimately challenge this, which i think will happen and perhaps it would go as star as the United States supreme court, they can do so. Right now they are stuck between a rock and a hard place to decide whether they want to be with their children or not. Sarah, i want to play a bit of tape, Michael Mccaul was on that call. Hes the chairman of the Homeland Security committee. We as a minimum have to deal with the family separation. Im a father of five. I think this is inhumane. This is not the face of america that i think most people want. I have heard recent reports that that policy may be revisited and it may not go forward. You have the chairman of the Homeland Security committee there, sarah, talking about that policy changing. If it gets us to this point, we wonder what the policy is going forward. Is it any clearer what this administrations policy is . Thats been the big question for several days. Weve seen a lot of back and forth, a lot of murmurs and reports, but the line from the administration has been, including the president himself, that the zero toll ran policy needs to remain in place. He said repeatedly, i was in the room this week before a cabinet meeting, where he said without it we would have people streaming across or boarders. The latest word from the federal government is that that is in place, but as you note, the president did pull back with his Executive Order, apparently trying to undo aspects of his own policy, but its still unclear, you know, whats happening to some of these children and what happens to families as they come in. Gregory, i want your read on what this white house is thinking at this point. You heard from the president yesterday in las vegas how immigration remains a good political issue for the republican party. How much does that resonate with other republicans in washington, d. C. . Yeah, ever since he signed this Executive Order, which showed a rare moment of backing down on this policy, its been full speed ahead ever since. I expect hell do it again on the road as he goes around to campaign in south carolina, in north dakota, in wisconsin, because as he said in las vegas yesterday, he feels like its an issue thats a winning issue for him. He sees this as a political issue above everything else, that democrats are trying to use the Immigration Issue to obstruct, and hes perfectly willing to issue to gain advantage in the midterm electio elections. We talk a lot about confusion and chaos. Were waiting to see what a judge in california says about the Flores Settlement. What will you be watching for as the week unfolds . Of course, the rule right now is 20 days that you can keep these families together, and so what happens after that . What happens in congress . The president has sent mixed messaging this week about what he wants congress to do. Hes blamed democrats for whats going on at the border. Toimportant to always noah yet hes called on congress to get together and do something, but he tweeted ha House Republicans should maybe wait until november, then they can do something. Ive asked the white house about this what does the president want . Ive heard what seems like a hesitancy to contradict the president , or discourage a vote. I think the line is that they want a vote, you know, but its looking really difficult to get any legislation through the house, much less through the senate. 30 second here, katy. If that judge doesnt agree with the trump administration, if the Flores Settlement cant be extended, where do we go from there . The doj will not be happy with that. Currently you can only keep kids in detention for 20 days. That Executive Order is raftsly offensive if he thinking its supposed to aswage people. He katy, gregory, sarah, thank you very much. One of the trumps top Campaign Officials is gaining growing scrutiny over a remark this morning. That liberal mark hayden, that screaming youre out of your cottonpickin mind. Let me tell you something all right. I have some relatives who picked cotton. Im not going to allow you to attack me like that on tv. Well be joined on the other side of this break. Is brakes out of nowhere. You do too, but not in time. Hey, no big deal. Youve got a good record and Liberty Mutual wont hold a grudge by raising your rates over one mistake. You hear that, karen . Liberty mutual doesnt hold grudges. How mature of them. For drivers with accident forgiveness, Liberty Mutual wont raise their rates because of their first accident. Liberty stands with you. Liberty mutual insurance. I needthats whenvice foi remembered that my exex exboyfriend actually went to law school, so i called him. He didnt call me back if your exex exboyfriend isnt a lawyer, Call Legalzoom and well connect you with an attorney. Legalzoom. Where life meets legal. But how do i know if im im getting a good deal . I tell truecar my zip and which car i want and truecar shows the range of prices people in my area actually paid for the same car so i know if im getting a great price. This is how car buying was always meant to be. This is truecar. Exchange. He express misdemeanor regret. Ill keep most of what we said to ourselves. He was not in any mood to talk, as you can imagine at that point. What is your your pops to the response to it . Its gone vival. What do you make of the way folks have reacted . I think its frustration overall with how the administration and people surrounding this president reduce us into ethnic groups and reduce us into Men And Women and people of different religions and whatnot. One of the reasons that struck me so much is my namesake is my great grandfather, who was a sharecropper. I took that very personally. You know, our family and People Like Us have worked very hard to come up over the years. So to have someone reduce our experience and to try to make light of that experience, which i imagine thats what he was doing, that was offensive. Im going to read hi apology thats offensive. Ill be okay, but what about the children who have been separa d separated. What trouble mess is is this is not aon nom lutz. This is what Mark Huckabee tweeted. Nancy plotsist introducing her Campaign Committee for the takeback of the house, Karen Tumlety tweeted after that criticizing him for do that, and he who, yaw, because its an el lyle. Nancy pelosi defended them, because she sa are you defend them, too . I would say thats a despicable exchange. Its fair to say that Mike Muck Abee has the ear of the president as well. Whats your sense of hthe statement that i said that i want to make sure people think about, you dont have to be a Gold Retriever to hear the thats not just the president , thats the people surrounding him. Governor huckabee was offended at what happened to his daughter being shown the door. Maybe i would have dealt with that differently, you cant expect people to not judge for what they do. You cant expect them not to be judged for that when they continue to do that and continue to offend people. Theres a consequence to that behavior, unfortunately. Joel, horse of the coarsening of the rhetoric do you attribute to President Trump himself. He spoke in nevada yesterday, and we heard his litany of nicknames for other politics, how much of this do you think this is his fault, changing the way we debate one another. 100 on the president. I worked on the Hillary Clinton campaign in 2016. We tried to point this out. Unfortunately a lot of what we got when i think secretary clinton spoke eloquently about this, she was complaining, and making excuses, and that she was being unkcouth. We saw smun that was on the track tracks coming right through america, and were living it. This president is frankly the person that could help to elevate the dialogue if he wanted to. I dont think he cares. Look at his career before he was in politics, being sued for housing discrimination, his actions around the central park 5. This is who the man is. Hes told us who he is for 40 years. I think its high time we believe them. Have things like this happened to you in the past . How does it rank with out experiences on your life, have been that phrase lobbed at you in the way it was. Need log to say, theres not a lot that can shock my senses. Theres a lot of things that i have experienced. Theres also a lot of things that fortunately because of the people who came before me i havent had to experience. Ill just say this will be right up in the hall of shame, unfortunately. I do hope that from this people will start to think about how theyre speaking to each other, how theyre speaking particularly when youre talking about racially, very sensitive issues. We do start to elevate the dialogue. Again, i dont want to lose sight on the fact the reason why i was on there this morning is to talk about over 2,000 children who have not seen their parents in god knows how long. We have to get those Children Reunited with those families. I hope this shines a light on that issue as well. You and i are having a civil back and forth, you have this echo chamber that exists now. How do you break through that . How do you convince someone like david bossie that the conversation needs to evolve. Is there a mechanism for that to take place . And how problematic im a believer that you get the government you deserve. I think that voters, we all have to decide this is not what we stand for, this is not who we are as a people, were not going to respond to this. So i think the only way you change behavior is by creating consequences. Theres a chance in about five months at the ballot box in november for not just democrats, but for all americans to send a message to this president that his behavior, his bilog is unacceptable. Maybe that would set up a by 2019 and 2020 before the president has to run for reelection. How dispirited russ about the aide who made that remark about the senior senator from arizona, who remained in that job for many days after it was made. You talk about consequences. It doesnt seem like this is an administration that is levying consequences. Its incredibly disappointing. I started working in congress in 2005 at a pretty different time. It wasnt strange to be friends with republicans as a democrat and vice versa. It was a time when everything wasnt viewed as a partisan lens, for somebody to make that comment by center mccain, i respect the way hes carried himself as a public figure, that says everything you need to know about the president. Its not just what you say and who you are, but the company you keep. This president keeps company that is, at best, questionable. Joel, always great to speak with you. I appreciate you taking the time after what happened today. Were going to turn back to that crisis at the border after the break, how the events unfolding could shape the 2020 president ial election. Im on the move all day long, and sometimes i dont eat the way i should. So i drink boost to get the nutrition im missing. Boost high protein now has 33 more protein, along with 26 Essential Vitamins and minerals. And it has a guaranteed great taste. Man boost gives me everything i need to be up for doing what i love. Boost high protein. Be up for it. It was always our singular focus, a distinct determination. To do whatever it takes, use every possible resource. To fight cancer. And never lose sight of the patients were fighting for. Our Cancer Treatment specialists share the same vision. Experts from all over the world, working closely together to deliver truly personalized cancer care. Specialists focused on treating cancer. Using advanced technologies. And more precise treatments than before. Working as hard as we can doing all that we can for everyone who walks through our doors. This is Cancer Treatment centers of america. And these are the specialists were proud to call our own. Treating cancer isnt one thing we do. Its the only thing we do. Expert medicine works here. Learn more at cancercenter. Com Cancer Treatment centers of america. Appointments available now. Need a change of scenery . The Kayak Price Forecast tool tells you whether to wait or book your flight now. So you can be confident youre getting the best price. Giddyup kayak. Search one and done. At the Marine Mammal center, the environment is everything. We want to do our very best for each and every animal, and we want to operate a sustainable facility. And pg e has been a partner helping us to achieve that. Weve helped the Marine Mammal center go solar, install electric vehicle charging stations, and become more energy efficient. Pg e has allowed us to be the most Asylum Speakers<\/a> as well. We reported earlier in the week from mexico, people desperately trying to cross over, a journey that can take up to three months. I spoke to one asylum speaker from honduras. She came traveling her 11monthold child. It took her six weeks to get to the border. She was turned away for eight days. Eight days on the mexican side trying to get in through the Port Of Entry<\/a> the right way, as President Trump<\/a> would say. After she came here, she was given an Immigration Court<\/a> day. Were following up with her. She has to show up to court this tuesday. She was showing me the documents. Theyre all in english, of course, barely able to make any sense of them. And she cannot afford a lawyer to her her in her asylum case. Thats some of the challenges these families are facing even when they try to seek asylum the right way. Cal, on that point, i go back to that tweet from the president , were going to talk about it later with some legal experts. Hes talking about folks coming to the country being dispatched immediately without due process. There is an ignorance therein, a lack of nuance, with those seeking amnesty as mariana has described. Cal, walk us through the distinction that the president seems to be missing. Reporter the incrennel thing is you learn down here, and mariana can attest as well as anybody. What happens in these courts. It was shocking to me. They come in en masse, and the judge asks them to plead. Everybody uss are you guilty . And everybody goes, si. And they get them out of the courthouse. Its crazy. It gets more complicated when youre talking about the kids. What often happens is the parents end up being deported, the kids end up in a camp behind me. When the president says what we should do is turn people around and send them back without any due process, while theres certainly a lot of due process in existence now, what hes talking about frankly is a violation of international law, david. Weve been fixated on this number 2,053. That Department Says<\/a> thats the number of children still in custody and what and other colleagues have been reporting throughout the day, those children could very well no longer have parents in this country. Just explain how that can be the case. Talking about the time you both\rhave spend in courthouses, why might be it be the case thatten of those parents are no longer in the same country as their children . Reporter let me paint this picture to add to the color that cal was talking about. They penal who dont even speak the same language as the judge, are given an average of a minute. Their entire life is decided in a minute where they were prosecuted, and basically advised to please guilty so they can be reunitewood their children. So one minute that determines your entire life and your ability to be with your children other parents toll me they were also told to sign documents they didnt even know exactly what they were. Some people telling me that they had to sign they were told to sign the documents in order to see their kids again, because they had been separated. Just imagine the enormous pressure that they are under,\rthese parents. What we are learning is they folks, probably many of them, the parents of over 2,000 children, have already been deported back to central america, now being instructed to call a 1800 number from rural honduras or guatemala or el salvador, to try to locate these kids. In the facility behind me, we learned yesterday that the unit in charge of helping these kids locate their parents and reunify is off on the weekends. They dont work saturdays and sundays. If you want to locate your kid, youre just going to have to wait until tomorrow. Mariana, thank you, and caliperry, thank to you as well. Theres more than just spanish spoken, a lot of indigenous languages. The challenges are indeed big. Im joined by a pan. Katy, lets talk about folks signing documents that might not know what those documents are. If one pleads guilty, leaves the country, wants to come back legally, i can imagine this can present a host of problems who then wants to try to gain citizenship in this country. Absolutely. In those fleeting minutes when the plea of guilty is taken either in english or spanish, that plea of guilty will be used against somebody who is either a refugee, which means they have started the process in their own country, or someone seeking asylum, fleeing persecution, but theyre actually here. Its a federal crime, a misdemeanor, but if you try it again, it becomes a felony. Right now what is happening is, in my legal opinion, when youre presenting these options to people in fleeting minutes and basically saying if you want to see your kid again, you have to plead guilty, i think thats being done under duress, and\rduress is an ability for someone to say they did not knowingly and intelligently basically waive their rights. If somebody wants to ultimately challenge this, which i think will happen and perhaps it would go as star as the United States<\/a> supreme court, they can do so. Right now they are stuck between a rock and a hard place to decide whether they want to be with their children or not. Sarah, i want to play a bit of tape, Michael Mccaul<\/a> was on that call. Hes the chairman of the Homeland Security<\/a> committee. We as a minimum have to deal with the family separation. Im a father of five. I think this is inhumane. This is not the face of america that i think most people want. I have heard recent reports that that policy may be revisited and it may not go forward. You have the chairman of the Homeland Security<\/a> committee there, sarah, talking about that policy changing. If it gets us to this point, we\rwonder what the policy is going forward. Is it any clearer what this administrations policy is . Thats been the big question for several days. Weve seen a lot of back and forth, a lot of murmurs and reports, but the line from the administration has been, including the president himself, that the zero toll ran policy needs to remain in place. He said repeatedly, i was in the room this week before a cabinet meeting, where he said without it we would have people streaming across or boarders. The latest word from the federal government is that that is in place, but as you note, the president did pull back with his Executive Order<\/a>, apparently trying to undo aspects of his own policy, but its still unclear, you know, whats happening to some of these children and what happens to families as they come in. Gregory, i want your read on what this white house is thinking at this point. You heard from the president yesterday in las vegas how immigration remains a good political issue for the republican party. How much does that resonate with other republicans in washington, d. C. . Yeah, ever since he signed this Executive Order<\/a>, which showed a rare moment of backing down on this policy, its been full speed ahead ever since. I expect hell do it again on the road as he goes around to campaign in south carolina, in north dakota, in wisconsin, because as he said in las vegas yesterday, he feels like its an issue thats a winning issue for him. He sees this as a political issue above everything else, that democrats are trying to use the Immigration Issue<\/a> to obstruct, and hes perfectly willing to issue to gain advantage in the midterm electio elections. We talk a lot about confusion and chaos. Were waiting to see what a judge in california says about\rthe Flores Settlement<\/a>. What will you be watching for as the week unfolds . Of course, the rule right now is 20 days that you can keep these families together, and so what happens after that . What happens in congress . The president has sent mixed messaging this week about what he wants congress to do. Hes blamed democrats for whats going on at the border. Toimportant to always noah yet hes called on congress to get together and do something, but he tweeted ha House Republicans<\/a> should maybe wait until november, then they can do something. Ive asked the white house about this what does the president want . Ive heard what seems like a hesitancy to contradict the president , or discourage a vote. I think the line is that they want a vote, you know, but its looking really difficult to get any legislation through the house, much less through the\rsenate. 30 second here, katy. If that judge doesnt agree with the trump administration, if the Flores Settlement<\/a> cant be extended, where do we go from there . The doj will not be happy with that. Currently you can only keep kids in detention for 20 days. That Executive Order<\/a> is raftsly offensive if he thinking its supposed to aswage people. He katy, gregory, sarah, thank you very much. One of the trumps top Campaign Officials<\/a> is gaining growing scrutiny over a remark this morning. That liberal mark hayden, that screaming youre out of your cottonpickin mind. Let me tell you something all right. I have some relatives who picked cotton. Im not going to allow you to attack me like that on tv. Well be joined on the other side of this break. Is brakes out of nowhere. You do too, but not in time. Hey, no big deal. Youve got a good record and Liberty Mutual<\/a> wont hold a grudge by raising your rates over one mistake. You hear that, karen . Liberty mutual doesnt hold grudges. How mature of them. For drivers with accident forgiveness, Liberty Mutual<\/a> wont raise their rates because of their first accident. Liberty stands with you. Liberty mutual insurance. I needthats whenvice foi remembered that my exex exboyfriend actually went to law school, so i called him. He didnt call me back if your exex exboyfriend isnt a lawyer, Call Legalzoom<\/a> and well connect you with an attorney. Legalzoom. Where life meets legal. But how do i know if im im getting a good deal . I tell truecar my zip and which car i want and truecar shows the range of prices people in my area actually paid for the same car\rso i know if im getting a great price. This is how car buying was always meant to be. This is truecar. Exchange. He express misdemeanor regret. Ill keep most of what we said to ourselves. He was not in any mood to talk, as you can imagine at that point. What is your your pops to the response to it . Its gone vival. What do you make of the way folks have reacted . I think its frustration overall with how the administration and people surrounding this president reduce us into ethnic groups and reduce us into Men And Women<\/a> and people of different religions and whatnot. One of the reasons that struck me so much is my namesake is my great grandfather, who was a sharecropper. I took that very personally. You know, our family and People Like Us<\/a> have worked very hard to come up over the years. So to have someone reduce our experience and to try to make light of that experience, which i imagine thats what he was doing, that was offensive. Im going to read hi apology\rthats offensive. Ill be okay, but what about the children who have been separa d separated. What trouble mess is is this is not aon nom lutz. This is what Mark Huckabee<\/a> tweeted. Nancy plotsist introducing her Campaign Committee<\/a> for the takeback of the house, Karen Tumlety<\/a> tweeted after that criticizing him for do that, and he who, yaw, because its an el lyle. Nancy pelosi defended them, because she sa are you defend them, too . I would say thats a despicable exchange. Its fair to say that Mike Muck Abee<\/a> has the ear of the president as well. Whats your sense of hthe\rstatement that i said that i want to make sure people think about, you dont have to be a Gold Retriever<\/a> to hear the thats not just the president , thats the people surrounding him. Governor huckabee was offended at what happened to his daughter being shown the door. Maybe i would have dealt with that differently, you cant expect people to not judge for what they do. You cant expect them not to be judged for that when they continue to do that and continue to offend people. Theres a consequence to that behavior, unfortunately. Joel, horse of the coarsening of the rhetoric do you attribute to President Trump<\/a> himself. He spoke in nevada yesterday, and we heard his litany of nicknames for other politics, how much of this do you think this is his fault, changing the way we debate one another. 100 on the president. I worked on the Hillary Clinton<\/a> campaign in 2016. We tried to point this out. Unfortunately a lot of what we got when i think secretary clinton spoke eloquently about this, she was complaining, and making excuses, and that she was being unkcouth. We saw smun that was on the track tracks coming right through america, and were living it. This president is frankly the person that could help to elevate the dialogue if he wanted to. I dont think he cares. Look at his career before he was in politics, being sued for housing discrimination, his actions around the central park 5. This is who the man is. Hes told us who he is for 40 years. I think its high time we believe them. Have things like this happened to you in the past . How does it rank with out\rexperiences on your life, have been that phrase lobbed at you in the way it was. Need log to say, theres not a lot that can shock my senses. Theres a lot of things that i have experienced. Theres also a lot of things that fortunately because of the people who came before me i havent had to experience. Ill just say this will be right up in the hall of shame, unfortunately. I do hope that from this people will start to think about how theyre speaking to each other, how theyre speaking particularly when youre talking about racially, very sensitive issues. We do start to elevate the dialogue. Again, i dont want to lose sight on the fact the reason why i was on there this morning is to talk about over 2,000 children who have not seen their parents in god knows how long. We have to get those Children Reunited<\/a> with those families. I hope this shines a light on that issue as well. You and i are having a civil back and forth, you have this echo chamber that exists now. How do you break through that . How do you convince someone like david bossie that the conversation needs to evolve. Is there a mechanism for that to take place . And how problematic im a believer that you get the government you deserve. I think that voters, we all have to decide this is not what we stand for, this is not who we are as a people, were not going to respond to this. So i think the only way you change behavior is by creating consequences. Theres a chance in about five months at the ballot box in november for not just democrats, but for all americans to send a message to this president that his behavior, his bilog is unacceptable. Maybe that would set up a by 2019 and 2020 before the president has to run for reelection. How dispirited russ about the aide who made that remark about the senior senator from arizona, who remained in that job for many days after it was made. You talk about consequences. It doesnt seem like this is an administration that is levying consequences. Its incredibly disappointing. I started working in congress in 2005 at a pretty different time. It wasnt strange to be friends with republicans as a democrat and vice versa. It was a time when everything wasnt viewed as a partisan lens, for somebody to make that comment by center mccain, i respect the way hes carried himself as a public figure, that says everything you need to know about the president. Its not just what you say and who you are, but the company you keep. This president keeps company that is, at best, questionable. Joel, always great to speak with you. I appreciate you taking the time after what happened today. Were going to turn back to that crisis at the border after the break, how the events unfolding could shape the 2020 president ial election. Im on the move all day long, and sometimes i dont eat the way i should. So i drink boost to get the nutrition im missing. Boost high protein now has 33 more protein, along with 26 Essential Vitamins<\/a> and minerals. And it has a guaranteed great taste. Man boost gives me everything i need to be up for doing what i love. Boost high protein. Be up for it. 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Hes definitely sticking out that left lane in the conversation, and people have been talking about him as a potential 2020 candidate, but a whole lot of people certainly would not recognize him. But he went down to the border, to the towns were hearing so much about, going to some of the facilities, asking to be let in, not being let in. He decide toss broadcast this on facebook live. Suddenly the whole thing takes off. Suddenly this vets softspoken guy whos not known for drawing himself on social media, is a sensation. Plus he did what would argue the best thing of all is draw attention to the fact that these children are down there, and nobody knows whats happening. One by one everybody understands\rthe gravity. Theyre very concerned, but its also an Incredible Opportunity<\/a> for visibility, so youve seen mayors, and others down there. Bless warren the counterprogramming rally when President Trump<\/a> was also in nevada, she was talking about immigration, she doesnt usually veer from her central message, which is controversy, standing up to banks, consumer fraud. She got into the immigration discussion. She too is down there now in texas visiting the facilities, and then tom steyer was on as a guest earlier. Now hes getting into the mix on immigration. Suddenly everybody realizes this is the conversation that needs\rto be taking place, and they need a piece of this discussion, even if its not necessarily where theyve try to do stake out their politics beforehand. You mentioned our Mayo De Blasio<\/a> going down there. The change has to happen on the ground in this hearts of americans, and has to happen because leaders decide. Lets talk about had line where they seem passionate, but also immigration carries with it theres so many emotion, so many conflicting feelings that peel have, so many voters will look at the images and be outraged. On the other hand, they can feel legitimately disconcerted about\rthe idea of illegal immigration and democrats have been running on things like the health care system, talking about how the economic recoveries while strong still isnt hitting every sector. Theyve been playing on sacher territory, and weve seen that be successful in some elections. Going forward, the Immigration Issue<\/a> does carry with it some risk. I was flipping through nece knotts and saw Michael Grimms<\/a> name in the news again, here is the headline, he leads dan\rdonovan in Staten Island<\/a> gop primary. What does this race tell you about the republican side of the aisle . So new york has its primary on tuesday. Everybody has their eye on that particular race. Its the 11th congressional district. Dan donovan is running for reelection. Michael grimm running against him as a republican. And a felon. Yes, he had to leave congress was he was convicted of tax fraud. Hes coming back, saying hes the more protrump between the two of them weve seen it ballet out where the moretrump candidate does win. We cant tell whether he will pull it off on tuesday, but its certainly competent tis. Where realize its all about trump and where you stand. How much do you want to embrace him . Well be watching. Beth, thank you very much. Up next, my conversation with the man who exposed the\rabuses in abu ghraib. How seemo developed his nose for news. Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens brown paper packages tied up with strings these are a few of My Favorite Things<\/a> \r these are a few of My Favorite Things<\/a> anncr as you grow older, your brain naturally begins to change which may cause trouble with recall. Learning from him is great. 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I was a Police Reporter<\/a> in chicago, where the rule was with the city news, i was the primary Police Reporter<\/a>. The rule was the police will let you do anything you want as long as you didnt interfere with police crime and the mafia. In 196 on, im learning about tyranny in chicago. Somebody on rush street, sort of the street that the mob controlled, you could find him on the ground with 14 bullet holes, and it would be reported as a traffic incident. It was a lot of fun, because i learned about selfcensorship. I learned i was not immune from it. I didnt buck the system, but went from there into the army being a Police Reporter<\/a> a lot wiser about the world. You come back from the army to chicago and make your way to washington. How different is the job, reporting on a major city like chicago, and then reporting on the capital. Its all about finding people who understand their job. In washington its all about finding those people who take as oath of office, and its to the\rconstitution this really believe its not to the president , not to a general, but to the constitution. Theres not that many. I covered the pentagon for the a. P. In the 60s when the vietnam war was emerging, and i learned that there were a lot of guys who are just marvelous people. I was in the medical tear, didnt like officers very much, but i liked some. What i did in the pentagon, it was a big problem, they were not telling the truth about how many planes were being knocked down. And then the navy air people, aviation people and the air force people liked that i was doing that. They became friendly. From there you meet and them then you get a sense of how much total disillusionment with What Mcnamara<\/a> was saying. You know he sent 25,000 guys to their deaths, who knows how many\rvietnamese, so you learn to find the guys that they dont want to quit their job, but they dont want to be a patsy for lives, and there are there are just those people. You describe yourself as a loner and a reference that i could detect for institutions, you like the New York Times<\/a>, you wanted to work at the New York Times<\/a>. I love it. You admired The New Yorker<\/a> as well. How do you navigate that tension . Youve been at places for a number of years and bristled and decided to move on . No, what i learned in the a. P. I got in trouble about my vietnam reporting, they we arent telling the truth, mcnamara, et cetera. Its like my job used to be to take a dead rat full of lice and walk into a editor and say this is what i want to do. This is going to cost you a lot\rof money, and at the times there was money there, and i might not make it for three, four months and im going to give us a story that will cause the government to get mad, subscribers to quit, and law firms will come at you, and theres a point where people saying get out of my office, im tired of you. And thats what happened. Its not so much that the institutions couldnt take what i was doing, but theres a certainly point where its just, you know, im mr. Im always going boohoo hoo, the sky is falling, chicken little, and i think editors get tired of that irlgts you worked as a wire reporter, you dabbled in hollywood a bit as well. Is it all the same to you . Do you prefer one over the other . Theres nothing better, no more fun than being a reporter and writing a story that does something useful. Its an amazing country, and you\rknow, with we can jump up and down and all the president wants is he wants New York Times<\/a> to love him. Thats all he wants. I told my dad i was going to be interviewing you, and i got this reply. Just heard hersh on 1a. How do you become that Investigative Reporter<\/a> instead of like what you do . He wrote to me, from my own dad. It makes me wonder, its fun to write about your life. As you look back on your life, how much do you ascribe to luck or the way journalism was. How difficult would it be to do the work you have done today. You know hes jesting. I hope. You know theres an answer to that question in a minute. I feel its a life well led. A life well led. My thanks to Seymour Hersh<\/a>. His memoir is called reporter. Nfl players respond to President Trump<\/a>s request for input on who many he should pardon next, but their response does not include any specific names. Why that is, when we come back. It. If theyre agrieved, i will pardon them. Im shocked you havent heard. Maybe they called the staff, but i personally have not heard from one. A group of athlete called on him to use the clemency power on the systemic injustice that they have been protesting. Tyler, let me start with you and this gambit that the president set up, have them provide him with a list of those he should part. Its a very on the thing, where they get imprompt attitude interview, and hes asking for people to be its lewd chris, right . There are nfl players who are\rwilling to were going to talk about this, which is odd. Its odd, because the president has made it clear he does not care. Nor the reasons why theyre having this black protest, so why take the gambit if hes made it clear over the past span of a few years he doesnt care. The point they make is this would do nothing to address what they have said is driving those protests on the field form. Almost like they would have an office that set, way, they do, and what he clearly wants to do is an Ad Hoc Anecdotal Process<\/a> where Kim Kardashian<\/a> reynolds someone and he gets the glory. To the nfl players credit theyre not playing that game. They i do almost wonder if this was a de minimis amount of engagement if they are playing into thinks game, or committing an action that strategically helps him you know, he threatenses the south korean and then he solves the situation he created im wondering if its a pattern where he picks a fight and maybe just for a moment of comedy, he can say, see, ive calmed things down. The number of inmates held on drugs charges 279,100, the most recent year which we have data. To that issue again of the root causes here what do you make of\rwhat hes saying there. Thats whatses happening, hes releasing one person, so now hes doing goodwill on behalf of the people. These are players who specifically arent protesting, Who Arent Doing Radical Acts Of Protest<\/a> the specifically radical form and its colin kaepernick, were not asking him or eric reed or kenny steele, the players who are still risking their lives and job were asking players who got 90 million, who are lobbying for bills to find be measures. Were going the safer route, but the problem is were getting and when you miss the protest, because we need a radical moment\rto so the entire world that black people need to stop being killed. Its as simple as that, but now were doing a dance that the president has often doing when it comes this has a white whale for this president. Hes tweeted about it, and youve dedetected some unease in a way that he has. How dodds this continuing as we head into next season. Do you expect that the president will be as involved as he has been. The whale killed ahab. The president might be wrong, but if you asked him, he would think its going as i wanted it. I used americas dominant force and somehow twisted that to my own ends and got my supporters upset at nfl players. As tyler is saying, these guys who i have a lot of respect for, they are not the players on the radical edge of protesting. Eric reid is a great player who\ris not getting resigned, because he did take a need. I love malcolm jenkins, he never took a knee. What he did take, he does take almost 90 million from nfl owners to do some community outreach. So i think that trump probably thinking hes winning in all this. He is winning, one of the biggest policy was attack beautiful black protests consistently. If he can disinvite the eagles make his own version of patriotism, what is it thats stopping him to change how politics are, shifting against these athlete. Whats to stop him from winning. Thanks to both of you. We hope we can continue the conforms. Well be right back. But i reall. Im on the move all day long, and sometimes i dont eat the way i should. 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