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That makes him the fifth Trump Campaign official to plead guilty in what the president continues to call a witch hunt. Manafort has agreed to cooperate with the special counsel in any and all matters, a reminder he was in the room for that trump tower meeting back in 2016. Here is paul manmanaforts speag outside the courtroom yesterday. He has accepted responsibility and he wanted to make sure that his family was able to remain safe and live a good life. He has accepted responsibility and this is for conduct that dates back many years. Everybody should remember that. With us now, geoff bennett, katie benner, and two former u. S. Attorneys, guy lewis and barbara katie, your paper surrendered th this your paper characterized this as surrender. Help me understand. You have to recall Paul Manafort had already been found guilty in another court and he was going to trial again in the district of sclum bcolumbia. He knew that you he could be in prison for a long time and if he were to lose the second trial, he would have very few options. The body was not giving him language that said that he was getting a pardon, so he had little choice but to start to cooperate. And he has close ties to russian oligarchs that are tied to the kremlin. He has an interesting perspective for prosecutors. And he has himself also information on other lobbyists that the government is going after including tony podesta and greg craig. Want to dil dg into all of t. Barbara, you were covering the first trial involving Paul Manafort in the Eastern District of virginia. Help me understand the timing. We were looking ahead to the next trial in washington, d. C. , speculation about a possible pardon has been swirling for some time now. What do you make of the timing here . Well, i think in some ways it is not surprising. Paul manafort i think wanted to take that test run on the radio radio case, which was sort of the tail of the dog. Remember just the tax charges and bank fraud. The real meat of the case was in the district of columbia. But i think the evidence was very strong. There was the one holdout jury on some of the counts, but convicted on eight counts. Im sure he realized that conviction in the second case was likely as well. And so that was sort of his last chance. Jury selection begins on monday. And so really his last opportunity was this week to finally say i surrender. So i think he waited until the last minute. You can cooperate early and usually get a better deal, but in the end i think he knew conviction was inevitable and so this was his last shot and the only leverage he really had was cooperation. And i think Robert Mueller stood firm until i got that cooperation. And he has not kept every case that exists out there, he has not kept Michael Cohen, he spun that off to others. But he did keep this Paul Manafort case because i think mueller knows that manafort has very valuable information to give. Geoff bennett, i want to ask you about the decision here for Paul Manafort to do this. A bit of tape here from august 23, this is President Trump talking on fox news about his one Time Campaign manager. Lets take a listen. One of the reasons that i respect Paul Manafort so much is he went through that trial, you know, they make up stories. People make up stories. This whole thing about flipping they call it, i know all about flipping for 30, 40 years ive been watching flippers. It almost sort of should be outlawed, it is not fair. Hes been watching flippers for 30 or 40 years. Katie talking about what has been characterized as a pardon dangle. From your reporting, what do we know about how those talks broke down here, his counsel and President Trumps counsel have been communicating here. Yeah, sources close to Paul Manafort actually confirm what Barbara Mcquaid just said, that Paul Manaforts legal team was frankly a little spooked by the strength of Robert Muellers case, the case that he brought in virginia. And so that is why he waited until the last minute. And one of the reasons why he could wait until the last minute, because as compared to rick gates and george papadopoulous, Paul Manafort is far more wealthy that n those t other men, so he had the money to let this ride for a bit. He had the money to pay his advisers. What i think is so interesting, where the president of often remembers to the probe as a by ased politically driven witch hunt, you now have five former Trump Associates saying no, that is not the case. Hunt, you now h Trump Associates saying no, that is not the case. Were actually guilty as charged. And as part of this agreement, he will forfeit some of the Many Properties that he owns, more than 4 million. You have a house in brooklyn, a house in the hamptons. Going back to what happened yesterday, Andrew Weissmann going on for 25 minutes detailing all the information are that they had here on Paul Manafort. What is your sense of what Paul Manafort can offer at this point . David, this is so interesting to me because this plea deal didnt just crop odrop out of t of a sudden. It is as a result of conversations that go back and forth between the prosecutors and the defense lawyers. Having done this many, many times on both sides, look, i dont buy as a prosecutor i never bought a pig in a poke. In other words, i sat down, i talked about what he can give, what the information is, and how much testimony, how much information, the quality of the information, what is it going to be. And remember, in this plea deal, they capped his exposure. He doesnt have to go to another retrial on the hung counts in virginia. And they dismissed some of the most aggravating counts in new york excuse me, in washington, the Money Laundering counts which would frankly have scored him out at 15, 16, maybe 18 years in jail. So look, there is no way this is a win for the president or the president s team. Katie, let me ask you about something you mentioned. You talked about the meeting in trump tower. Of course Paul Manafort was there on his cellphone taking notes we now know as that meeting took place in trump tower here in new york city. We also know a lot more about his relationship to a lot of the principal here and what his business dealings were like. You were talking about the relationships with vin weber, former congressman, with xrag fo craig, the former counsel. And that lobbying web. What more do we know about it . We know that the government wan wants to crack down on violations of illegal foreign lobbying, unregistered foreign lobbying. It takes taken over t it has over the lobbying industry. And Paul Manafort was the pioneer of foreign lobbying, pioneer of helping oligarchs s white wash their reputation here in the United States. And also interesting you bring up the trump tower meeting. One thing weve seen with manafort and Michael Cohen is what is happening now calls in to question the idea of the president s loyalty. So as more people become involved in these and he ises v investigations, you have to start wondering whether the president will offer them a lifeline or pardon. That now seems pretty questionable. Barbara, we got a statement from john dowd, he said here that emailed lawyers representing other clients who have been drawn into on mr. Muellers inquiry have no information on the campaign. This doesnt mean anything, that there was a limit on what Paul Manafort could talk about. Just your read here on what Paul Manafort might know visavis what weve heard from the president s counsel. Yeah, i think they want to distance themselves from Paul Manafort not surprisingly. But in fact manafort is likely to know an awful lot about collusion. The thing that they always talk about, what Robert Mueller is really looking for, links between russia and the Trump Campaign. And those are the things when manafort was the Campaign Chairman and at a really crucial time during the summer of 2016, that was right after the hacking of the emails of the Democratic National committee, but before they were disseminated. He was there for that june 2016 trump tower meeting. I think that he can provide a lot of information about was there is a coordination, was there discussion about how to weaponize those emails. What is his relationship with roger stone. He is a former partner with roger stone. With are they talking to wikileaks, to guccifer 2. 0. How do things work with russia. He has long relationships with russ russia. How did the platform get changed. What about this offer for a private briefing about the campaign to a russian oligarch. So there are a lot of areas that Robert Mueller will be very curious about that Paul Manafort is very likely to know. A very long list there. Guy lewis, last question to you. I want to take shock of where we are in the context of this larger investigation. Problem mueller here, 32 individuals indicted, six guilty pleas, one conviction. And where do things go from here . I think that they will sit down with manafort and they will spend days and days debriefing him. I think that the prosecutors in new york will be sitting down with cohen and spending days and days debriefing him and then following up. Remember also, they have also imun i m immunized the cfo of the trump organization. You have his former cfo, a former lawyer, former campaign chair. It is starting to line up where the mueller team is no longer hitting singles, they are hitting triples and home runs. And you will see more charges coming out of this case right after the elections shortly. All right. Thanks to you all. Still ahead, florence beginning to fizzle, but the flood fears remain as the storm dumps torrential rains on north and South Carolina. Residents still fleeing for their lives trying to get to dry ground. Live coverage next. Its gotten deeper. Were trying to get the hell out of here and getting people out. Ive never been flooded out of a house during a hurricane and ive lived here all my life. Here we go. Discover. I like your card, but im absolutely not paying an annual fee. Discover has no annual fees. Really . Yeah. We just dont believe in them. Oh nice. You would not believe how long ive been rehearsing that. No annual fee on any card. Only from discover. Who would have guessed . An Energy Company helping cars emit less. Making cars lighter, its a good place to start, advanced oils for those hardworking parts. Fuels that go further so drivers pump less. Improving efficiency is what we do best. Energy lives here. Welcome back a. Minutes ago President Trump received an update on the disaster of florence along the carolina coast. That once powerful category 4 hurricane is now a slow moving Tropical Storm. Just want to give yyou the latest. Six deaths are being blamed on the storm including a mother and her eight month old child. As heavy rains batter the region, there are almost 900,000 people without power. The majority of them in North Carolina. The red cross says more than 5,000 people are in shelters across the two states. Aid is already rolling into the region. This morning President Trump signed a disaster declaration for North Carolina. It orders federal aid to supplement state, tribal and local Recovery Efforts. Nbc has Team Coverage on the ground with matt bradley in columbia, South Carolina monitoring the storm as it makes its way inland. And Garrett Hague is in new bern. And Tammy Leitner is in conway a little west of myrtle beach. What is the latest you are seeing there . Reporter im about 20 on miles inland they are already getting flooding here. You can see this house is under water. The truck back there quite a bit of water. And there is no Power Outages where i am, but apparently there are Power Outages just down the road. It is very sporadic. We were speaking with the workers and they were like one road might be without power, the next one might have power. There are 35,000 homes without you power. North myrtle beach has no power about, myrtle beach proper does. So it just depends. The road to the left of me is completely washed away. It is closed off. So they are getting hit here. The rain has been relentless, which is not a good thing, but their biggest concern is that the rivers in this county are going to crest. And if that happens, that will watch a out the main road cutting off access. As you know, about 60 of the people have evacuated. People are being told not to come back in and if it washes out that road, they may be told to stay away for a while longer. Fresh water flooding, a huge issue in South Carolina. In North Carolina as well. Lets hear what Governor Cooper had to say. The flood danger from this storm is more immediate today than when it was than when it made landfall just 24 hours ago. We face walls of water at our coast, along you are our rivers, across farmland, in our cities and in our towns. More people now face imminent threat than when the storm was just offshore. I cannot overstate it. Floodwaters are rising and if you arent watching for them, you are risking your life. Some of those tallest walls of water have been in new bern, North Carolina where the trent river and noose river meet. And Garrett Hague has been there as the waters have risen. A tremendous amount of rescue efforts there. What can you tell us from new bern . Reporter i think the good news here is that the water is at least starting to move in the right direction. I talked to the mayor of new bern and he told me the city has not seen anything like this in the last 70 years. They actually have pumps in place to drain the water out after big storms, but that the water levels were are so high here that they couldnt turn the pumps on. He was scouting this area im in now to see if it was possible finally to get those pumps on and help this draining process. The area that im in now, we finally got a chance to put a drone up over it once we got on the back side of this storm, got out of the wind. You were able to see substantial flooding that extends for blocks and blocks. We walked some of this area yesterday followinging along with a National Guard group who was trying to help people out of their homes, but we could not get into all the different parts of the neighborhood. Birds eye view that the drone provided us just gives you a sense that even about a mile or so from the river you still have significant flooding. This town is just so low to the ground and more importantly low up against the noose river that any significant amount of rain coupled with that storm surge has made for very, very wet couple of days here. But again, i think that the good news here is that it is slowly starting to turn around even in this neighborhood were in now, largely flooded behind me. Weve seen more residents coming back even just to check on their homes than we have seen leaving. And youve been able to retire the rain coat. People have been coming back. What are local officials telling you about that process . I know there has been a curfew in new bern. Reporter and in fact just about an hour ago the city tweeted that they would like to extend that curfew until 7 00 tomorrow morning. They still want to keep people off the roads. They would prefer to keep people out of these houses while they continue do search and rescue efforts to make sure nobody was left behind in houses they did not want to be in any longer and so that they can start working on the cleanup earffort. And the power is still out here in significant portions. City. Weve had Running Water at least. That is not the case everywhere. But the city will remain in the dark and city officials would prefer that folks remain in shelters or staying with relatives an friends outside of the city for at least one more day. And in columbia, matt bradley is there. We are just minutes away from a press brief iing to give us an update. Matt, what is the latest there inland in columbia . Reporter her in the midlands of South Carolina, it is a slow moving problem, kind of a delayed issue for people here in the capital of South Carolina. As you can see behind me, it hasnt reached its banks yet. But there is a Flash Flood Warning excuse me, a Flash Flood Watch in effect here in the midlands. But so far South Carolina has averted the worst of this disaster that struck mostly as you heard from garrett in North Carolina and some of the coastal areas of Trump Campaign<\/a> official to plead guilty in what the president continues to call a witch hunt. Manafort has agreed to cooperate with the special counsel in any and all matters, a reminder he was in the room for that trump tower meeting back in 2016. Here is paul manmanaforts speag outside the courtroom yesterday. He has accepted responsibility and he wanted to make sure that his family was able to remain safe and live a good life. He has accepted responsibility and this is for conduct that dates back many years. Everybody should remember that. With us now, geoff bennett, katie benner, and two former u. S. Attorneys, guy lewis and barbara katie, your paper surrendered th this your paper characterized this as surrender. Help me understand. You have to recall Paul Manafort<\/a> had already been found guilty in another court and he was going to trial again in the district of sclum bcolumbia. He knew that you he could be in prison for a long time and if he were to lose the second trial, he would have very few options. The body was not giving him language that said that he was getting a pardon, so he had little choice but to start to cooperate. And he has close ties to russian oligarchs that are tied to the kremlin. He has an interesting perspective for prosecutors. And he has himself also information on other lobbyists that the government is going after including tony podesta and greg craig. Want to dil dg into all of t. Barbara, you were covering the first trial involving Paul Manafort<\/a> in the Eastern District<\/a> of virginia. Help me understand the timing. We were looking ahead to the next trial in washington, d. C. , speculation about a possible pardon has been swirling for some time now. What do you make of the timing here . Well, i think in some ways it is not surprising. Paul manafort i think wanted to take that test run on the radio radio case, which was sort of the tail of the dog. Remember just the tax charges and bank fraud. The real meat of the case was in the district of columbia. But i think the evidence was very strong. There was the one holdout jury on some of the counts, but convicted on eight counts. Im sure he realized that conviction in the second case was likely as well. And so that was sort of his last chance. Jury selection begins on monday. And so really his last opportunity was this week to finally say i surrender. So i think he waited until the last minute. You can cooperate early and usually get a better deal, but in the end i think he knew conviction was inevitable and so this was his last shot and the only leverage he really had was cooperation. And i think Robert Mueller<\/a> stood firm until i got that cooperation. And he has not kept every case that exists out there, he has not kept Michael Cohen<\/a>, he spun that off to others. But he did keep this Paul Manafort<\/a> case because i think mueller knows that manafort has very valuable information to give. Geoff bennett, i want to ask you about the decision here for Paul Manafort<\/a> to do this. A bit of tape here from august 23, this is President Trump<\/a> talking on fox news about his one Time Campaign<\/a> manager. Lets take a listen. One of the reasons that i respect Paul Manafort<\/a> so much is he went through that trial, you know, they make up stories. People make up stories. This whole thing about flipping they call it, i know all about flipping for 30, 40 years ive been watching flippers. It almost sort of should be outlawed, it is not fair. Hes been watching flippers for 30 or 40 years. Katie talking about what has been characterized as a pardon dangle. From your reporting, what do we know about how those talks broke down here, his counsel and President Trump<\/a>s counsel have been communicating here. Yeah, sources close to Paul Manafort<\/a> actually confirm what Barbara Mcquaid<\/a> just said, that Paul Manafort<\/a>s legal team was frankly a little spooked by the strength of Robert Mueller<\/a>s case, the case that he brought in virginia. And so that is why he waited until the last minute. And one of the reasons why he could wait until the last minute, because as compared to rick gates and george papadopoulous, Paul Manafort<\/a> is far more wealthy that n those t other men, so he had the money to let this ride for a bit. He had the money to pay his advisers. What i think is so interesting, where the president of often remembers to the probe as a by ased politically driven witch hunt, you now have five former Trump Associates<\/a> saying no, that is not the case. Hunt, you now h Trump Associates<\/a> saying no, that is not the case. Were actually guilty as charged. And as part of this agreement, he will forfeit some of the Many Properties<\/a> that he owns, more than 4 million. You have a house in brooklyn, a house in the hamptons. Going back to what happened yesterday, Andrew Weissmann<\/a> going on for 25 minutes detailing all the information are that they had here on Paul Manafort<\/a>. What is your sense of what Paul Manafort<\/a> can offer at this point . David, this is so interesting to me because this plea deal didnt just crop odrop out of t of a sudden. It is as a result of conversations that go back and forth between the prosecutors and the defense lawyers. Having done this many, many times on both sides, look, i dont buy as a prosecutor i never bought a pig in a poke. In other words, i sat down, i talked about what he can give, what the information is, and how much testimony, how much information, the quality of the information, what is it going to be. And remember, in this plea deal, they capped his exposure. He doesnt have to go to another retrial on the hung counts in virginia. And they dismissed some of the most aggravating counts in new york excuse me, in washington, the Money Laundering<\/a> counts which would frankly have scored him out at 15, 16, maybe 18 years in jail. So look, there is no way this is a win for the president or the president s team. Katie, let me ask you about something you mentioned. You talked about the meeting in trump tower. Of course Paul Manafort<\/a> was there on his cellphone taking notes we now know as that meeting took place in trump tower here in new york city. We also know a lot more about his relationship to a lot of the principal here and what his business dealings were like. You were talking about the relationships with vin weber, former congressman, with xrag fo craig, the former counsel. And that lobbying web. What more do we know about it . We know that the government wan wants to crack down on violations of illegal foreign lobbying, unregistered foreign lobbying. It takes taken over t it has over the lobbying industry. And Paul Manafort<\/a> was the pioneer of foreign lobbying, pioneer of helping oligarchs s white wash their reputation here in the United States<\/a>. And also interesting you bring up the trump tower meeting. One thing weve seen with manafort and Michael Cohen<\/a> is what is happening now calls in to question the idea of the president s loyalty. So as more people become involved in these and he ises v investigations, you have to start wondering whether the president will offer them a lifeline or pardon. That now seems pretty questionable. Barbara, we got a statement from john dowd, he said here that emailed lawyers representing other clients who have been drawn into on mr. Muellers inquiry have no information on the campaign. This doesnt mean anything, that there was a limit on what Paul Manafort<\/a> could talk about. Just your read here on what Paul Manafort<\/a> might know visavis what weve heard from the president s counsel. Yeah, i think they want to distance themselves from Paul Manafort<\/a> not surprisingly. But in fact manafort is likely to know an awful lot about collusion. The thing that they always talk about, what Robert Mueller<\/a> is really looking for, links between russia and the Trump Campaign<\/a>. And those are the things when manafort was the Campaign Chairman<\/a> and at a really crucial time during the summer of 2016, that was right after the hacking of the emails of the Democratic National<\/a> committee, but before they were disseminated. He was there for that june 2016 trump tower meeting. I think that he can provide a lot of information about was there is a coordination, was there discussion about how to weaponize those emails. What is his relationship with roger stone. He is a former partner with roger stone. With are they talking to wikileaks, to guccifer 2. 0. How do things work with russia. He has long relationships with russ russia. How did the platform get changed. What about this offer for a private briefing about the campaign to a russian oligarch. So there are a lot of areas that Robert Mueller<\/a> will be very curious about that Paul Manafort<\/a> is very likely to know. A very long list there. Guy lewis, last question to you. I want to take shock of where we are in the context of this larger investigation. Problem mueller here, 32 individuals indicted, six guilty pleas, one conviction. And where do things go from here . I think that they will sit down with manafort and they will spend days and days debriefing him. I think that the prosecutors in new york will be sitting down with cohen and spending days and days debriefing him and then following up. Remember also, they have also imun i m immunized the cfo of the trump organization. You have his former cfo, a former lawyer, former campaign chair. It is starting to line up where the mueller team is no longer hitting singles, they are hitting triples and home runs. And you will see more charges coming out of this case right after the elections shortly. All right. Thanks to you all. Still ahead, florence beginning to fizzle, but the flood fears remain as the storm dumps torrential rains on north and South Carolina<\/a>. Residents still fleeing for their lives trying to get to dry ground. Live coverage next. Its gotten deeper. Were trying to get the hell out of here and getting people out. Ive never been flooded out of a house during a hurricane and ive lived here all my life. Here we go. Discover. I like your card, but im absolutely not paying an annual fee. Discover has no annual fees. Really . Yeah. We just dont believe in them. Oh nice. You would not believe how long ive been rehearsing that. No annual fee on any card. Only from discover. Who would have guessed . An Energy Company<\/a> helping cars emit less. Making cars lighter, its a good place to start, advanced oils for those hardworking parts. Fuels that go further so drivers pump less. Improving efficiency is what we do best. Energy lives here. Welcome back a. Minutes ago President Trump<\/a> received an update on the disaster of florence along the carolina coast. That once powerful category 4 hurricane is now a slow moving Tropical Storm<\/a>. Just want to give yyou the latest. Six deaths are being blamed on the storm including a mother and her eight month old child. As heavy rains batter the region, there are almost 900,000 people without power. The majority of them in North Carolina<\/a>. The red cross says more than 5,000 people are in shelters across the two states. Aid is already rolling into the region. This morning President Trump<\/a> signed a disaster declaration for North Carolina<\/a>. It orders federal aid to supplement state, tribal and local Recovery Efforts<\/a>. Nbc has Team Coverage<\/a> on the ground with matt bradley in columbia, South Carolina<\/a> monitoring the storm as it makes its way inland. And Garrett Hague<\/a> is in new bern. And Tammy Leitner<\/a> is in conway a little west of myrtle beach. What is the latest you are seeing there . Reporter im about 20 on miles inland they are already getting flooding here. You can see this house is under water. The truck back there quite a bit of water. And there is no Power Outages<\/a> where i am, but apparently there are Power Outages<\/a> just down the road. It is very sporadic. We were speaking with the workers and they were like one road might be without power, the next one might have power. There are 35,000 homes without you power. North myrtle beach has no power about, myrtle beach proper does. So it just depends. The road to the left of me is completely washed away. It is closed off. So they are getting hit here. The rain has been relentless, which is not a good thing, but their biggest concern is that the rivers in this county are going to crest. And if that happens, that will watch a out the main road cutting off access. As you know, about 60 of the people have evacuated. People are being told not to come back in and if it washes out that road, they may be told to stay away for a while longer. Fresh water flooding, a huge issue in South Carolina<\/a>. In North Carolina<\/a> as well. Lets hear what Governor Cooper<\/a> had to say. The flood danger from this storm is more immediate today than when it was than when it made landfall just 24 hours ago. We face walls of water at our coast, along you are our rivers, across farmland, in our cities and in our towns. More people now face imminent threat than when the storm was just offshore. I cannot overstate it. Floodwaters are rising and if you arent watching for them, you are risking your life. Some of those tallest walls of water have been in new bern, North Carolina<\/a> where the trent river and noose river meet. And Garrett Hague<\/a> has been there as the waters have risen. A tremendous amount of rescue efforts there. What can you tell us from new bern . Reporter i think the good news here is that the water is at least starting to move in the right direction. I talked to the mayor of new bern and he told me the city has not seen anything like this in the last 70 years. They actually have pumps in place to drain the water out after big storms, but that the water levels were are so high here that they couldnt turn the pumps on. He was scouting this area im in now to see if it was possible finally to get those pumps on and help this draining process. The area that im in now, we finally got a chance to put a drone up over it once we got on the back side of this storm, got out of the wind. You were able to see substantial flooding that extends for blocks and blocks. We walked some of this area yesterday followinging along with a National Guard<\/a> group who was trying to help people out of their homes, but we could not get into all the different parts of the neighborhood. Birds eye view that the drone provided us just gives you a sense that even about a mile or so from the river you still have significant flooding. This town is just so low to the ground and more importantly low up against the noose river that any significant amount of rain coupled with that storm surge has made for very, very wet couple of days here. But again, i think that the good news here is that it is slowly starting to turn around even in this neighborhood were in now, largely flooded behind me. Weve seen more residents coming back even just to check on their homes than we have seen leaving. And youve been able to retire the rain coat. People have been coming back. What are local officials telling you about that process . I know there has been a curfew in new bern. Reporter and in fact just about an hour ago the city tweeted that they would like to extend that curfew until 7 00 tomorrow morning. They still want to keep people off the roads. They would prefer to keep people out of these houses while they continue do search and rescue efforts to make sure nobody was left behind in houses they did not want to be in any longer and so that they can start working on the cleanup earffort. And the power is still out here in significant portions. City. Weve had Running Water<\/a> at least. That is not the case everywhere. But the city will remain in the dark and city officials would prefer that folks remain in shelters or staying with relatives an friends outside of the city for at least one more day. And in columbia, matt bradley is there. We are just minutes away from a press brief iing to give us an update. Matt, what is the latest there inland in columbia . Reporter her in the midlands of South Carolina<\/a>, it is a slow moving problem, kind of a delayed issue for people here in the capital of South Carolina<\/a>. As you can see behind me, it hasnt reached its banks yet. But there is a Flash Flood Warning<\/a> excuse me, a Flash Flood Watch<\/a> in effect here in the midlands. But so far South Carolina<\/a> has averted the worst of this disaster that struck mostly as you heard from garrett in North Carolina<\/a> and some of the coastal areas of South Carolina<\/a>. They even lifted some of the mandatory evacuation orders and all of the counties sgecht for two except for two of the most coastal counties. And as you said, well be hearing from the governor. But were hearing that monday is when we will start to see some of the waters rising in the rivers and streams around the midlands region. That is why im saying this could be something of a delayed problem rather than an immediate issue. As you see, the weather is starting to clear up here. When we drove in morning, it was very rainy, he very windy. And now it is a lot lighter. But as the storm moves inland toward the appalachian mountains, that is when well start to see all of the water that has accumulated upstream flowing down into the midlands area and that is when a lot of authorities here are expecting to see some real problems with flooding. Lets move east northeast now to oak island, North Carolina<\/a> pretty close to myrtle beach. This is a south facing beach. I know a big issue has been the bridges. This of course a town on the intercoastal waterway. What is the latest on the bridges there . Reporter i wanted to give our viewers this view from the south facing beach here in oak island. The wind as you see still lashing out. Were still feeling the effects of this Tropical Storm<\/a> because once the storm shifted, the winds changed from west and they are now coming in from the south. And were still feeling winds id say of about 30 to 40 miles an hour. You can see how big the waves are behind me as they hit that pier which is called ocean press pier here. It is moving all of that water and all of that sand inland and flooding a lot of the streets and roads. Here were expecting 2 to 4 feet still of water in many of the main roads. And unlike what matt bradley was explaining before, there is still a 24 hour curfew on this island because the authorities dont want people walking around, dont want people driving around in this weather. I mean as you can sense just from where im standing, we are still feeling the effects of the rear end of the outer bands of this Tropical Storm<\/a>. So were not out of the woods yet here in the state of North Carolina<\/a>. All right. My thanks to all of you. Again, in a few moments we expect to hear from the governor of the state of South Carolina<\/a>. Well bring you updates as they come in. Coming up next, what will Robert Mueller<\/a> do once the are russia investigation is wrapped up . Who will he report his findings to . The Justice Department<\/a>, house Judiciary Committee<\/a>, how watergate prosecutors are helping layout a roadmap for the special counsel. burke thats what we call a huge drag. Seriously, thats what we call it. Officially. And we covered it. Talk to farmers. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. We are farmers. Bumpadum, bumbumbumbum with its historical records. Ancestrys dna test. You could learn youre from ireland. Donegal, ireland. And your ancestor was a fisherman. With blue eyes. Just like you. Begin your journey at ancestry. Com. Welcome back. With Paul Manafort<\/a> pleading guilty, we are again asking the question what will bob mueller do once he wraps up his sfles many investigation . Many predict that he will send his findings to the Justice Department<\/a> or house Judiciary Committee<\/a>. That is what happened with the watergate investigation. Those findings have yet to be made public, but as the New York Times<\/a> report, three prominent legal analysts are calling on a court to lift that veil of secrecy. Johnny savage and jill, let me start with you. Take us back to march 1974. With a did mr. Jaworski do with his information . We had briefcase full of information. We asked the judge for permission to turn it over under a very little used rule that allows the grand jury to use its inherent authority. And Gerald Goldman<\/a> who was another assistant prosecutor on our trial team and i have written an article on nbcnews. Com that had urged a long time ago that the public be made aware of the facts that mueller is gathering much like the facts were made known to the house Judiciary Committee<\/a>. So we turned it over to them as a roadmap. It did not include any legal conclusion or crimes that we felt had been committed, but it laid out in this transcript here is what soandso said. And it really was a roadmap to impeachment. And the difference between then and now is that the Judiciary Committee<\/a> was actually already considering impeachment and here we have a congress that is absolutely refusing to even investigate the crimes that have been committed in our very faces. Weve seen obstruction happen right in front of us. Weve seen what may be cooperation with the russian government and interfering in our election. And congress, the republicans, have refused to take it anywhere. So i dont know whether turning a roadmap to impeachment over to the committee will do any good, but i do think it is time to make the watergate roadmap public. It would be a good model for them and it is a historical document that really would be interesting for people now to see. So i hope that it will be released as there is a lawsuit now pending and i join in urging that the court allow its release. There is no reason to keep it quiet anymore. Charlie, lets talk about that, what you reported yesterday. There is a group protect democracy and youve got ben wittes, an nbc analyst as well. And pairing with Jack Goldsmith<\/a> and steven bates. What are they try doing and how high is the hurdle they face . What they are trying to do is get a judge to unseal, to lift the grand jury secrecy rules off of this report that weve been discussing from march of 1974. The house Judiciary Committee<\/a> then and now by the way has access to that report. But they have to keep it even today in a skiff, a police where they would normally keep classified information because it is still subject to grand jury secrecy rules. So partially they are trying to make it public just because here is a really interesting thing that should be in the public view just as a matter of historical importance, but more broadly, they are trying to draw attention to the fact that this is a power that grand juries have even though it is rarely used and this is a historical resident. Why does this matter . Because unlike ken starr in the late 90s, mr. Mueller just like mr. Gentleman ajaworski does nor authority on his own to send evidence that he has been gathering to congress. The only Clear Authority<\/a> he has is to make a report to his supervisor which is currently rod rosenstein. But trump maybe could fire rod re Ro Rosenstein<\/a> to not transmit that to congress. Already Rudy Giuliani<\/a> has hinted that trump might excerpt executive privilege if the democrats would suddenly want to investigate these things. So it still might never reach congress. So the notion is here is a little used mechanism by which the prosecutor can harness the power of a grand jury to make a report and invoke that historical precedent to send the information directly to the house Judiciary Committee<\/a> without going through the Deputy Attorney<\/a> general, without giving the president the opportunity to order his subordinates to keep whatever that information is secret. So they are trying to draw attention to that and show it as an alternative model that mueller could use. And i would say the most interesting thing to me thinking about this is in a scenario in which President Trump<\/a> with were to follow through on all these threats, fire everybody, force the Justice Department<\/a> to shut down this investigation, then what happens to all this evidence that mueller has been gathering that is locked away. It is possible that the grand jury, these ordinary people whoever they are, they are anonymous who have been meeting and rubber stamping requests for subpoenas and so forth, could actually on their own ask the judge to transmit this information. Back in 1974, it was the prosecutor jaworski and his staff that actually wrote this thing and that it then became the grand jury report when they agreed to bless it. But you dont necessarily need a prosecutor to take that role. Technically the grand jury could do it on its own. So it is a very interesting way to get around this seeming problem of how the information this Prosecutorial Team<\/a> has gathered can reach the congress if the white house does not want that to happen. Jill, how important is to get out and viewed by the public and im talking about bob muellers report. How important is to you that this become a public document, that we all get to see what bob mueller has concluded at the end . I think it is very important. I think nothing is more important than the facts getting to the voters who in this case would be the jury judging the accuracy of that. And i think it is really an important way for this to get out. The chief judge could order the release of everything the grand jury has gathered. And in the event that mueller were to be fired, or rosenstein fired, that is an alternative way to get the information out and to protect the information so that we wouldnt have to shut down the entire investigation if that were to happen. The jury, the grand jury, has the evidence. It has been put together. Obviously i think there was a benefit to our organizing it as watergate case was. But even without the organization, the congress could take the raw material and could put together its own case based on the evidence that has been gathered. So it is really important. I think it is time to let out the watergate report, to let it be a model. But it is very important that we protect the grand jury and let them come forward if that is what it comes down to. They are they have the power and they should be able to use it. And tell me about the pin that you are wearing today, jills pin of the day. Todays pin is a caged bird. And i ask why does the caged bird sing. And it is pretty obvious in this case because manafort and cohen and probably many others have a lot to sing about and mueller knows what that is. So im waiting to hear what is going to be sung so to speak. My thanks to you, jill and charlie. Jill, ill speak with you again in the next hour. So coming up here, another episode of the worst week ever for President Trump<\/a> from news that his former Campaign Chairman<\/a> flipped and the me too accusations involving his Supreme Court<\/a> nominee. Ill speak with congressman jeffries about the drama that unfolded this week. You wouldnt accept an incomplete job from any one else. Why accept it from your allergy pills . Flonase sensimist relieves your worst symptoms, including nasal congestion, which most pills dont. It helps block six key inflammatory substances. Most pills block one. Flonase sensimist. Most pills block one. Ahoy gotcha nooooo. Noooooo. Quick, the quicker picker upper bounty picks up messes quicker and is 2x more absorbent. Bounty, the quicker picker upper. Welcome back. Im david gura in morning. As Tropical Storm<\/a> florence slowly churns deeper into the carolinas, some major doechltds co ofdevelopments coming out of our nations capital. President trumps team trying to distance themselves from Paul Manafort<\/a>, that move coming a day after Paul Manafort<\/a> agreed to a plea deal with Robert Mueller<\/a>s team admitting guilt to federal crimes. The one Time Campaign<\/a> insider also agreeing to cooperate with the special counsels investigation. Also an allegation of Sexual Misconduct<\/a> surfacing against brett kavanaugh. The judge denies it, but how could that possibly impact next weeks confirmation vote scheduled for thursday. Joining me now is new york congressman Hakim Jeffries<\/a> who sits on the house Judiciary Committee<\/a>. Let me start by having you react to that news out of washington yesterday that Paul Manafort<\/a> decided to plead guilty with bob mueller. Well, this is another week in the life and times of a reality show host in the white house masquerading as president of the United States<\/a>. And what it essentially has meant for the American People<\/a> is nothing but chaos, crisis, confusion and growing culture of corruption. And the guilty plea by the Trump Campaign<\/a> chairman Paul Manafort<\/a> is just consistent with the guilty plea from the Deputy Campaign<\/a> manager rick gates, the guilty plea from the former National Security<\/a> adviser michael flynn, guilty plea from trumps personal attorney Michael Cohen<\/a>, the guilty plea from papadopoulous, former Foreign Policy<\/a> adviser during the Trump Campaign<\/a>. At a certain point i think reasonable people are going to connect the dots that there was something very wrong that took place in the Trump Campaign<\/a> possibly collusion and conspiracy with russian spies to interfere with our democracy, sell it out, and artificially place somebody at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. Ultimately bob mueller will put that together in terms of the facts and the law and hopefully it will be made public to the American People<\/a>. Congressman, if you were at the green market at gland army plaza looking at the brussels produce thes, everything in season, you are talking to constituents of yours, what is the appetite for impeachment . There is a big debate on how much it should be talked about. And House Democrats<\/a> will continue to focus on our for the People Agenda<\/a> because the American People<\/a> folks at home in the brooklyn and queens communities that i represent and others across the United States<\/a> do want to see us fight for Lower Health Care<\/a> costs, to strengthen the Affordable Care<\/a> act, to dramatically reduce the price of life saving prescription drugs. We are going to fight to increase pay for Everyday Americans<\/a> through you a Real Infrastructure<\/a> plan to make sure that people have the opportunity to provide a comfortable living for their family. And they donttowant us to clean up corruption in washington so that their Government Works<\/a> for them. Now, bob mueller is a special prosecutor, we fought for his appointment, we fought for Jeff Sessions<\/a> to recuse himself. We were successful in those two efforts. And so i think a lot of folks across the country want to see that Legal Process<\/a> play itself out and then let the chips fall where they may. This Storm Brewing<\/a> around judge brett kavanaugh, he faces that confirmation vote on thursday of this week. There was memo that the senator from california senator Dianne Feinstein<\/a> tendered to Law Enforcement<\/a> officials. I should read here from a statement, judge cavanaugh denied the allegations, i did not do this back in high school or at anytime. This centers on an alleged Sexual Assault<\/a> in that memo being alleged by somebody whose name we dont know. What difference does this make, how have you reacted to this turn here in the confirmation proceedings for this nominee to be on the Supreme Court<\/a> . These are troubling allegations. And this is just consistent with a growing cloud of i will legitimacy that surrounds this particular nomination. First of all, it is not clearwi legitimacy that surrounds this particular nomination. First of all, it is not clear to me that when you have a president whose Close Associates<\/a> are under intense criminal investigation that now is the appropriate time to be able to make an appointment that will affect the lives of the American People<\/a> not just for months or years, but for decades in the context of the kavanaugh nomination. These allegations also illustrate the problem with the rushed hearings. They are trying to jam this nomination down the throats of the American People<\/a> in advance of the American People<\/a> having an opportunity to weigh in in the con text of the midterm elections. That is unfortunate and shows the rank hypocrisy of Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> because he robbed barack obama of a legitimate Supreme Court<\/a> nomination by refusing to even meet with Merrick Garland<\/a> in 2016. We should press the pause button on this nomination. There should be no vote on thursday. We should fully investigate these very troubling allegations. And then allow the American People<\/a> to be presented with the facts because if that in fact turns out to be the case, obviously this is not an individual that should be headed toward the United States<\/a> Supreme Court<\/a>. I want to ask you lastly just about the governments response to the storm ongoing in north and South Carolina<\/a>. The president signing disaster declaration today for the state of North Carolina<\/a>. There is that element of the response. There is the Twitter Response<\/a> what weve seen as well. The president writing a great deal about puerto rico and what happened there citing a study that he is discrediting himself here from the George Washington<\/a> university involve willing how many individuals lost their lives during Hurricane Maria<\/a>. I want your response to what youve seen both the official through that disaster declaration and the unofficial on the twitter page. Well, we continue to stand with the people of the carolinas and other individuals throughout the south who have been impacted or may continue to be impacted by hurricane florence. And were thankful for the First Responders<\/a> and for those individuals who are doing all that they can to save lives and make sure that people see themselves out of harms way. Now, that is a very different dynamic than what weve seen coming out of the white house from a president who is just concerned about himself. House democrats, were going to fight for the people. This is somebody in the white house who everything is about spin and misdirection and trying to create a narrative as was the case with what he talked about in terms of Hurricane Maria<\/a> that he is the greatest person since sliced bread. The American People<\/a> can see through the nonsense. That is why were seeing continued disapproval ratings that are fallen out of the sky. And i think at the end of the day, people will see through the subterfuge donald trump continues to project out to the American People<\/a>. Hakim jeffries, thank you very much for the time. Thank you. Still tracking Tropical Storm<\/a> florence as the storm hovers over the carolinas. Six people are dead and hundreds have been rescued. The rain still coming down. A live report from oak island where rough waves are still battering that south facing coast, that is coming up next. What does help for Heart Failure<\/a> look like . The beat goes on. 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We heard from the governor, henry mcmaster, giving us an update the aid he received from nine additional states and the president of the United States<\/a>. The governor saying that efforts are under way in South Carolina<\/a> right now to check on South Carolina<\/a>ens affected by this storm. Also mentioning in the course of that press briefing that government offices will not reopen until monday of the coming week. Msnbc is in oak island, North Carolina<\/a>. That is just across the border from South Carolina<\/a>. Theres been some concern about bridges, about the Structural Integrity<\/a> of bridges that were closed during the course of this storm. Youre right there on the south facing side of that beach, looking south. Whats the latest . What can you tell us . Reporter david, regarding the bridges, both bridges in and out of this island completely closed. This island is shut off at the moment. The mayor says nobody will be let in or out until sunday, maybe monday because for the first time i also saw fema officials going house by house checking all of these ocean front properties, making sure that everybody is accounted for. Because i want you to look at this beach right now. Ive asked my camera man to go hand held, so you can really get a sense of how this Tropical Storm<\/a> is still lashing out here on the largest beach in North Carolina<\/a>. Look at the size of those waves. And if you check out just all the piers here, those are wooden stilts that its on. One of the other piers here on the island suffered damage from hurricane matthew. So with a storm like this one, florence, that is lingering, it is a storm that is very wide. It is record rainfall for the state of North Carolina<\/a>. We have not seen the end of the extent of the damage yet, especially on this island. All of that water, because its a south facing beach, and with the direction of the wind facing south now, all of that water, all of that sand and all of the rain moving inland flooding a lot of the roads. And that is why authorities have this island under a 24hour curfew. Nobody should be out and about. They want everyone to hunker down until this heavy rain has passed us. And again, fema just making the first rounds of sort of reconnaissance in each of these homes, marking each of the doors, and making sure that everyone is accounted for. For now the mayor said there are no injuries, no casualties that she knows of on the island, but again theyre just beginning sort of the infant stages of the Recovery Efforts<\/a> here. David . Much more on the Tropical Storm<\/a> florence. Still ahead what do they know with Paul Manafort<\/a> flipping and a new report claiming that Michael Cohen<\/a> is talking, too. What information do they have to offer Robert Mueller<\/a>. A discussion with our panel and the message this plea sends to the president next. Order pizza. Of course, daniel. Fridge, weather. Clear skies and 75. Trash can, turn on the tv. My pleasure. Ice dispenser, find me a dog sitter. Okay. And make ice. Pizza delivered. Whats happened to my son . I think thats just what people are like now. I mean, with progressive, you can quote your insurance on just about any device. Even on social media. Hell be fine. [ laughs ] will he . I dont know. Start with 100 cleancheese . Ingredients. Like vermont white cheddar. Then. Add bacon, bbq chicken, or baja blend. Catering and delivery now available. Panera. Food as it should be. Welcome back, everybody. We are following two big stories this hour. The first, surrender. Paul manafort copping a plea deal, agreeing to cooperate with special counsel Robert Mueller<\/a>. What this means for the russia investigation, and who else the president s inner circle may be talking with Robert Mueller<\/a>. Plus, danger in the carolinas. Six people are dead as Tropical Storm<\/a> florence continues to creep slowly across north and South Carolina<\/a>, dumping torrential rains. Msnbc has live Team Coverage<\/a> as that storm forces families to find higher ground. Well begin today with another guilty plea in the russia investigation. Paul manafort, the former Trump Campaign<\/a> chair for who for a long time stood defiant is now cooperating fully with special counsel Robert Mueller<\/a>. An investigation the president has dubbed a witch hunt has indeed snatched another witch. The news had its recalling this moment from 2016 when Paul Manafort<\/a> stumbled in answering a question about russia. So to be clear, mr. 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