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MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Kate Snow January 24, 2017

President trump also signed new executive orders earlier today including a pair to advance the keystone xl and the dakota oil pipelines. President trump said he would the terms of the pipelines would be subjects to terms and conditions being renegotiated by the United States. We are also covering three more confirmation hearings from capitol hill today. Congressman tom price for health and Human Services secretary. Congressman nick mull vein efor the direct of Office Management and Linda Mcmahon who has been tapped to lead the Small Business administration. Let us start with the latest from todays White House Press briefing. If you were with us,is just wrapped up in the last hour. Peter alexander is at the white house today. A lot to cover. Lets start with the allegations about voter fraud. Last night the president told the people in the room between 3 and 5 Million People that he called illegals caused him to lose the popular vote. Does the president believe that millions voted illegally in this election . What evidence do you have of widespread voter fraud in this election if thats the case . The president does believe that he stated that before. I think he stated his concerns of voter fraud and people voting illegally during the campaign. And he continues to maintain that belief based on studies and evidence people presented to him . Exactly what evidence . Speaker ryan said there is no evidence. The seths of state dont agree with the president assess men. What evidence do you have . As i said i think the president believed that for a while based on studies and information he has. Peter the questioning went on for a while then. Exactly right. The bottom line here is that these are effectively wild assertions that are based on almost no facts at this point. Frankly republicans have made it clear they dont believe this to be the case, House Speaker paul ryan among them right now. But the problem that exists with following this path that shawn spicer did on this day and ultimately that donald trump, for one thing shawn spicer doesnt just represent donald trump, he represents the position of the United States. Which is to say if it is the position of the president that 3 to 5 undocumented citizens, illegals as he described goes to the legitimacy of the election. Insisting that donald trump believes 3 to 5 people voted illegally. Imagine if you spread those votes over florida and pennsylvania and wisconsin. It is a new ball game. The bottom line is false claims based upon disputed evidence that goes back a while and there have been all sorts of studies on this none of custom show 3 to 5 million illegal undocumented citizens voted. It unmines the press secretary and the president of the United States. Let me put a poept on this if i can. We were both listening this last hour. Today he seemed to shawn spicer seemed to first say the tape we played a moment ago. Where he said this is bleach of the president. Lather when he was pressed by Halle Jackson and kiss ten welker, i noticed he changed his ng lap. He said illegal voting could happen. Did you notice that, too . To be fair i think he was trying to find his way in that news conference. I think he made it clear when pressed. And this was a very good question about if you believe this to be the case why there wasnt an investigation that he had already called for this looking into this . I think they would like to put this idea to bed. They wanted the focus to be on jobs. They had signed executive orders today. But this conversation put him in the heart of another pickle. It goes back to dozens of other statements donald trump made. He said thing like the murder rate in this country is the highest it has been in 45 years. Thats not true. He also said Illegal Immigrants, among other things that crime that Illegal Immigrants are responsible for crime that is through the roof. And he said quote many people may have seen the San Bernardino bombers for example, behind the scenes as they were building those bombs. No Law Enforcement official made those claims as well. It goes to all sorts of thing. Whats notable, is donald trump, right with the birtherism claim about president obama back in the day that he sort of pursued for years, he was trying to go to the i will limgt maes of president obama with no evidence on that as well. In many ways this raises all sorts of new questions about all sorts of quote believes that donald trump has. Peter i want to get back to the other news of the day. The signing of executive orders and if process of what happened at the white house today. Walk us through . Earlier this morning donald trump signed five executive orders. The bottom line is these were focused on trying to advance the process of renegotiating but ultimately building the dakota and keystone pipelines. Those were plans that the Obama Administration after years of consideration had pushed back on, decided they would not pursue. Donald trump insists that because of the ability of these Construction Projects to create new jobs that he wants to look into it further, to rear negotiate it. He believes this is an easy solution. Obviously it goes right at environmentalists who believe this is a significant problem, that it steps on cultural sites in term of the dakota pipeline, the keystone pipeline. Its not so much the pipe there is concern about but its bringing dirty oil from canada to the United States ultimately to head down to the gulf. Beyond what it does is try to streamline the process effectively to make it so that regulations, roll back and there would be a much quicker process of approving projects Going Forward as it related specifically to the pipelines ensuring it was u. S. Steel that was used in the construction here. While notable it would be foreign oil that was delivered by it. At least one of the pipelines. Right, peter. Thank you so much. What we want to do now is dig in on the president s efforts today to move forward on the two pipelines. Keystone and the Dakota Access pipeline. I want to bring in alley. I want to remind you while the oil comes from canada. The oil comes from alberta. This is the oil sands in alberta. They are up here. The oil gets to here. And this is the proposed pipeline the dashed lines a lot of the companies that own the oil fields up there are american. The trick here its not hard to figure out, there is already a pipeline that goes through and down to the gulf of mexico. Some say it will be exported. Some say it will be refined in the United States. Oil is already going there. This is a few more miles of pipeline in addition to the 70,000 miles of oil pipeline in this kpun and more than 2 million miles of Energy Pipeline in general. Part of the problem was the way in which the Pipeline Company and the canadian government handled taking hands from farmers in the way. They said if you dont give us the land we will use Eminent Domain to take it for you. There was a ballots and the Obama Administration didnt handled the approvals process in a sensible way either. Bottom line, everybody knew once a republican was elected this pipeline would going to get built. Heres the problem. Lots of people have valid arguments, i heard one ten minutes about the dangers of ends issing oils through pipelines. They leak. And they can get into act wi officers and get into the water supply. The problem is oil is coming out of the ground and getting moved like this. This is philadelphia one of the many cities where oil trains move right through. You saw the danger when the trains derail. The question one has to ask themselves is whats the beside way to move oil while we still use oil. This is the other one, the Dakota Access pipeline. Bismarck north dakota near cannon ball. It is adjacent to the sioux reservation. The fear here is the threaten again to the water supply. People have been protesting this. Very recently did the federal government, the army corps of engineers say they are not granting aprol for this. This is a reversal of that decision and that has a lot of native groups and environmentalists upset. They have hurdles it is not a given these pipelines will be build but hurdles have been removed. I want to get two perspective on the executive orders supporting those pipelines. First jack gerard, president and ceo of the petroleum group. He supports the keystone xl and the Dakota Access pipelines. Did you know this was coming . Ali suggested it was obvious, that President Trump campaigned on the issue and promised to do this. Did you know it was coming . Had you been in touch with the white house. President trump has been talking sometime now about his focus on jobs and job creations in the United States. He identified the pipelines as two quick decisions, if you will, that will create those jobs. These pipelines have bipartisan support. The keystone xl pipeline has over 68 of the American Public who support it. It doesnt surprise us. We applaud the president s effort. I think he is taking us in the right direction. He is delivering on his campaign promise. He is creating well paying jobs. We have a partnership with organized labor and the building and construction trades and they will get thousands of jobs out of this in addition to bringing us efficiently energy all of us consume every day. Let me bring up some of the criticism. I he no you have heard all of this before. It krics are worried about the Tar Sands Oil being dirty. They are worried about leaks. They are worried about transporting it across our country. Kickly the keystone oil coming from canadian fields across the u. S. Are those valid concerns. First by moving oil through pipelines we move 99. 99 of it safely without incident. Our commitment, our responsibility as an industry, we are moving to zero incidents so well have no issues at you will. When you look at the oil coming from canada, there has been this concern about its impact to the environment. Let me just tell you, that oil is moving today. Its moving by other sources. In fact, the Obama Administrations own Environmental Impact statement concluded that you emit more Greenhouse Gases in moving it in alternatives ways than you would if you built and used the keystone xl pipeline. So lets get all the facts on the table, all the science on the table, lets make informed decisions. The past administration, the Obama Administration, indicated well be using oil and natural gas well into the future. In fact their most recent estimates is 68 of the energy well be consuming in 2040 will still be oil and gas. Our hope is lets work together. Lets create these well paying jobs. Lets benefit society with low cost affordable energy. Make us secure as a nation. And potentially even ship some of this product we have around the world creating americans job while he do it. Let me ask you about one other thing that the president mentioned today. And thank you for that answer. He said action on the pipelines would be subject to negotiation with the u. S. Government and some of the conditions he wanted is if we are going to build the pipelines it has to be made with u. S. Steel. Let me play the clip. I am very insistent that if we are going to build pipelines in the United States the pipes should be made in the United States. So unless there is difficulty with that, because beside companies are going to have to sort of gear up. Much pipeline is bought from other countries. From now on we are going to start making pipeline in the United States. We build it in the United States. We build the pipelines, we want to build the pipe. Its going to put a lot of workers. A lot of steelworkers back to work. Opponents say that transcanada, the Company Involved in keystone right now uses foreign steel. I dont know whether thats true or false but thats what they say. You represent a lot of the companies that are involved in the Dakota Access pipeline. Are they going to be able to use u. S. Steel . Is that practical . The reality is, i think the president is consistent with what he has been saying. Its about amerin jobs, american opportunity. What he did today as i understand it i havent had a chance to review it in great day. He indicated we want to move forward on keystone and Dakota Access pipeline. Then he commissioned or asked, he directed his sec of commerce to then do an analysis to address the very question he has talked about. How do we do that with the American Work force . So i think he is being thoughtful about how do we proceed, how do we focus on america, how do we make sure we are creating these well paying jobs . Because we have, as you know, very significant impacts in the economy as we go out to buy the necessary steel, employ the people. It has very positive ripple effects up and down the economy. Put lot of people to work. Sorry. What im asking you is do the companies have access to u. S. Steel . Is that going to have to happen first before the pipelineses can be built if thats the prerequisite . Thats a good question. We would have to look into that further. I think it is a combination of both. We produce a lot of steel in this country. We also bring a lot in from other places around the world. I think we are going to have to look closely at our capability here, what we can do at home. Once again the president s really focused on that America First message which is consistent with his Overall Campaign message. Jack gerard, president and ceo of the American Petroleum institute. Lets get another perspective now from someone who is not particularly happy about these projects moving forward. She is the direct oofror of the Bold Alliance who helped lead the fight against the keystone pipeline. Nice to have you with us. I understand your perspective is different than what we just heard. What would you say, this is a job building, this is american jobs, this is creating reinforcing the industry in this country. You know, the reality is this pipeline puts at risk thousands of American Farmers and ranchers jobs. And this is a Foreign Corporation using Eminent Domain for private gain against American Land donors, something that sets a very dangerous press department. Maybe we think canada is a Friendly Neighbor but what happens when russia, saudi arabia and china wants to start using Eminent Domain to put pipelines in the ground . We believe in American Energy independence. This pipeline would essentially create 35 permanent jobs in the United States. For us its not about the jobs. Its about protecting the water supply and Property Rights here in nebraska. You cited different numbers unanimous the president did today. You speak his number. So does api, the oil firm that you had on board. If they are going to side the state Department Board for their facts they cant use alternative numbers for their facts. I thought the state Department Report said 3900 jobs each year for two years. Those arent the construction jobs. Those are then the jobs that support the construction worker. So the clean up putting up the man camps, for example, because this would go in very rural parts of our country where we dont have hotels. Essentially the work force if this pipeline came through to nebraska the work force would be bigger than most of the towns its going through. These keystone to be clear for our viewers. Let me play sound from shawn spicer. Obviously this was a big sub at the briefing just now. This is what he said when asked what he would say to opponents of these pipelines. Take a listen. I think he is going to make sure that he is looking working with all parties involved. Thats part of to steves question. There is a way that you can continue to negotiate that, whether its the native americans concerns that they have on some of the lands in the dakota pipeline. But you are 93 there with dakota. And i think that the president has shown through his Business Life that he knows how to negotiate a great deal where parties come out ahead and he is willing to sit down with all of the individuals that are involved in the dakota pipeline to make sure that it is a deal that benefits all of the parties of interest or at lee gets them something that they want. Whats your reaction to that, the idea you can sil all sit around a trabl and work this out . Wwod glove for President Trump to come to nebraska, have one of our steaks and a tall glass of water from unpolluted aquifers and listen to farmers why farmers dont want this pipeline coming through their land. I think he would realize why putting up such a fierce fight.

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