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MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Katy Tur January 11, 2019

I do. You should write a book about it. It is really friday. We should go out and buy a book. I will see you back in an hour. There you go. Ali velshi and stephanie ruhle. Thank you, guys. It is day 21 of the Government Shutdown. Tomorrow will be the longest in our nations history. Today 800,000 federal employees are starting to miss their paychecks. Getting pay stubs with zero where their net pay should be. We have mortgage, car loan, cell phone, electric and gas and utilities. Are you going to pay for medication or are you going to pay for laundry detergent . I have an 11yearold and she asked me, daddy will you ever get paid again . I understand it is bigger than my paycheck but it is my paycheck. I will be hurting after two paychecks. The shutdown took many federal workers by surprise and it is lasting longer than most expected. Thats left furloughed employees stuck at home seeping through garages and possessions and personal treasures to sell. Nine federal departments have been impacted. The list includes agencies who services you may rely onto keep you safe. Right now luggage and aircraft inspections are delayed because of employees are either furloughed or working without pay. The fbi were an estimated 5,000 agen agents, analysts and lawyers in charge of security are also furloughed. Fema is responding to future disasters and hundreds of contractors were ordered to stop working. Federal clean ups at Super Fund Site have been suspended and low income Senior Citizens at Affordable Housing will have to fend for themselves after hud was forced to freeze the funding they needed to make home repairs. Now some farmers in trumps country has had enough as loans and services they have relied on have been delayed. We told you yesterday two unions during the trump administration. Today we can add oanother. The big question we are asking today, what are federal employees not getting paid today supposed to do . Joining me our ali bertali and Tammy Leitner in florida. Guys, we want to talk to people who are affected by this. Ali, what are you hearing . Reporter katy, we keep on talking about the 800,000 furloughed workers. As they consider what this shutdown means to them, i spent talking to daryl floyd and his wife isnt cynthia. I am going to let daryl explain to you. Take a listen. If you dont have a job, you are not going to get along. Then thats going to put pileups and expenses on each other. You know if you cant pay the bills then you will have financial charges and you know credito creditors, they may not accept it. So whats going on . Especially with me and my wife sometimes trying to work in that situation. Whats your situation . She has cancer. So so that puts extra strain on an already tough situation. One income, you really dont have income and you are hoping the shutdown ends. Reporter and katy, we talked to daryl and cynthia last night at here home in wood bridge, this morning they left for arkansas where cynthia is going to get a stem cell transplant. The issue is how long are they planning for . They want the government to reopen. The problem is they dont know are they budgeting for groceries for weeks or months . This could go on for months as the president has warned. What am i planning for at this point so they are down in little rock and theyre going through what cynthia needs through her Cancer Treatment and see where they stand as they get back to virginia. Ali vitali. Thank you. Morgan, you are talking to a furloughed faa worker, what are you hearing from him . Reporter he faced Government Shutdowns before but none of them have ever been like this. His savings should last him for about a month. He was a pilot in the navy for ten years and wanted to serve in the country in the faa. He may have to go back into active duties in order to make ends meet going forward. Hes one of those 3,000 inspectors impacted to this. Hes currently at home and his coworkers are here working without pay and expecting pilot credentials and making sure it is safe to go up in the air. As i ask him to describe what this shutdown means for people doing his job, this is what he had to say. As an aviation safety inspector, we have a lot of job tasks. One is investigation and enforcement. It is kind of like if you take all the chp officers off the highway and expect california citizens to drive the speed limit, we would hope for it to happen but the airlines are regulating themselves. Everyday that goes on, the aerospace is getting more dangerous. Reporter you know when we talk about this, a lot of people say this is a governments job. Curtis tells me this is a calling saying that even though hes not getting paid and sitting at home, he would rather be here and not getting paid and working because he would have peace of mind that this job is adequately done. To make matter worse, he and his partner supposed to close on a house this week. Now they may not be able to. Morgan, thank you. Tammy leitner. It is not just federal workers directly but also contractors. What did they say . Reporter thats right katy, there are about 700 contract workers in this town. They face a challenge because there is no guarantee theyre going to get paid when this is over. One family, leroy smith and his wife judy. Paying the mortgage and car payments but they also have a special set of challenges. Judy smith she suffers from seizures and she needs expensive medication to cover these seizures. It costs about 20,000 that insurance normally takes care. Without a job, you dont have insurance and thats 20,000 they cant afford. This is a tough thing to talk about because they live paycheck to paycheck. But, he open up to us and talk about it. Lets listen to what he had to say. I get the sense this is pretty tough for you to talk about. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, it is. You are a proud guy. Yes. He does not like having to say that he cant do a thing especially not for me. He does not like having to say i cant get my wife medicines or provide what my wife needs. It tears him up inside. Whats your biggest concerns in the days moving forward, leroy . They should just keep their head above water, i guess. Well find something. What do you do not being able to work and not knowing when this is going to end . Um i guess you try to find a new job. Is that what you are going to do . Yeah, probably. More than likely. Find Something Else to pay the bills . Yes. Temporarily. Reporter this month there are certain prescriptions shes actually not feeling because times are tough and so this Government Shutdown literally is a matter of life and death for this family. The stories, the three of you are telling, we have to remind everyone they are three stories of many hundreds of thousands of folks who are seriously worried about whats going to happen next. The president has said all these employees will eventually get paid and theyll be happy but as tammy just pointed out, a lot of them are contract employees will not get that pay. Ali vitali and Tammy Leitner and morgan, thank you to the network. Welcome as well. Joining us, our Traffic Controller association, mick, thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. All of these furloughed employees and those working without pay will eventually get paid and theyll be happy. Whats your response . Well, i am glad that well get paid. We knew those who were going to work each and everyday were going to get paid. The ones who were furloughed of the 3,000 that we represent, there was no guarantee theyre going to get paid. Theyre sitting at home and wondering any paychecks are going to come in. The fact that there will be a paycheck coming in, will you be happy if it will take another week or two or month or two. There is no end date incite right now for this Government Shutdown. Thats the main concern that we have is that we dont know when it is going to happen. At least now we know it will happen. But when we heard months or years or thats going to be way too much of a burden for our people. What happens when air Traffic Controller are not getting paid. Today was the first day, paychecks went out today. Everybody got zeros. We learned that yesterday officially happened. It becomes demoralizing. The moral in all the facilities nationwide hit rock bottom. This concern, there is some serious conversation that you have to have at home that makes them big financial uncertainty of knowing when you will get paid. There is a lot of folks who have been impacted by this shutdown and whats going on in washington. But a lot of those folks are people who get on planes and is there a reason to be worried about the moral of the people behind the scenes were doing the job to make sure those planes land safely and take off safely. The 20,000 people that we represent, theyre on my watch kind of people. Just yesterday there was an emergency with the aircraft flying in boston center. Those guys quickly reacted professionally and he was able to land safely. It has not affected safety in that way. Whats going on with your family . My wife at logan airport, hes going to work but not getting paid. Unfurloughed. We just had a baby about a year ago. She took nine months off without pay. We dont have a paid maternity parental leave. She took we dipped in all of our savings and she just got back to work in late august and early september. Shes pregnant again and new at the end of march. Shes going to go back out and leave without pay. It is a struggle. How are you going to make ends meet . What are you doing . Well, we are trying to push through. We do have a little bit of savings left that we can get through the month of january. But, we are starting to make decisions, do the kids not have to go to their dance lessons or do we need to sell a vehicle or motorcycle. Things of that nature. There are some major decisions that has to happen. I heard people going through their stuff, maybe not as big as cars selling off Something Like that but going in and looking through their books and their you know their garages to find any little thing they cancel for a few extra dollars. Do you think thats sort of thing is is exaggerated or is that the kind of thing that folks will have to do. I dont think it is. I think the concern at least from the Traffic Controller is people are going to start to retire. We are at a 30year low in staffing. About 18 of all of our members are eligible retired. You start not paying them and they can start walking out the door tomorrow. Thats the point i was wondering about. If you are not getting paid and these are jobs. I remember there was a crisis a few years back that there were not enough people and it seems to stabilize and Something Like this, i wonder if it has a knock off effect where people dont want to go to work and dont want to be there and dont feel like it is worth being there any longer and if there will be. If there is a risk in the future of something slipping through the cracks. Well, there is absolute going to be an effect in our staffing. Our staffing at a 30year low that continues to decrease each and every year. If we continue to not get paid, 18 of our members that are eligible to retire will walk out the door. You can hear it across the country. Two paychecks, i am not coming in. We have employees in hartford, connecticut that just quit, brand new employees and decided this is not for me. I am not going to go to work without getting paid. There is a lawsuit right now by the Union Representing air Traffic Controller suing the trump administration. Thats correct. We filed the lawsuit today in d. C. We are looking for a temporary restraining order so we can start paying our people. It is a violation of the fifth amendment of the united states, they seized our salary without due process. Mike ck devine, good luck to your family. Congratulations on the little one thats coming your way. Congressman from iowa is asking an unbelievable question. Why do people think White Nationalism is offensive . First Michael Cohen has something to say before he heads the prison and House Democrats want the nation to hear it. In jellyfish. In clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve shortterm memory. 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The special counsels team has already indicated some areas including interactions with russia that would most likely be off limit. Joining me, natasha and our came whaley, shes a professor of school of law. If Michael Cohen cant get to the area that hinder muellers investigation, what is he likely to be telling this committee tomorrow or on february 7th . I imagine focus on the election. I think thats why republicans are so concerned now about the fact that Michael Cohen is going to be testifying publicly. This is a huge step for the committee to be taking and just having retaken power and holding the president accountable and interviewing people who have worked with him for years and years and discovering more how he did things and whether or not there were other women or Campaign Finance violations, you have jim jordan and mark meadows who are coming out saying Michael Cohen is a liar. How can we trust him . It is important to remember that we have tapes. Michael cohen released an audio of him discussing these pay offs with the president with then candidate donald trump weeks before the election. The idea hes lacking credibility, thats true. We have to be aware of the fact that it is likely hell have more tapes if he has that one. Any chance well hear those tapes on february 7th . It is possible. There is speculations that well bring tapes with him. He wasnts to prove that hes credible and bring to the table credibility that he made against this president , number one, hes not unfit for office over the Trump Organization is someone who should not be in charge. Why did he continue to work to trump if he thought he was violating the law or was not fit to be president and working on his campaign and etcetera, now cohen wants a chance to stick it to the president and using h is opportunity to get the defense lets listen to lenny davis on why his credibility is in better shape today than it was the last time he testified before congress. Lets listen. The only time michael has admitted to lying was lying on mr. Trumps behalf and not for Michael Cohens benefit but at the time even consulting at the white house on the lie of the moscow tower and that trump was involved in those discussions. Presumably, kim, hes not going to be lying or benefit the president , there is no reason for him to be lying any longer . Yes, the argument is he lied at the president. He did pay off behalf of the president. If he does lie, he knows he can get prosecuted again like mr. Mueller did. In addition there is a possibility that if he helicoptcontinues to cooperate as a whole, he can seek a reduction. At the made clear publicly that he really cares at this point about doing whats best for his family and he suffers tremendously. Whats interesting about this is it is going to be one of the most critical moment in the entire process, february 7th because not only are we seeing one of a branch of the government roaring back to life in terms of doing the over sight functions, well see this person actually playing on mr. Trumps turf. Thats hes going to speak directly to the american public. He speaks in language that people understand. The russia stuff is so complicated. I think a lot of people just kind of checked out and overwhelmed and the chaos is scary. Hes just going to tell his story about what it is like in a sopranos way or work for a man like this. The question will come how will the president topple . Will it topple through indictment or impeachment or resignation. It is hard to say. I think this moment sort of the american, the play thats unfolding of this stage is pivotal. I think for a number of reasons, i think it is unstainable. It is unsustainable. He lied repeatedly and corruptive. This is about Border Security but we are not going to pay tsa coast guards. We have a situation, a constitutional crisis in our midst that if the republicans allow this to go forward, thats a National Emergency then

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