Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Richard Lui 20190601

MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Richard Lui June 1, 2019

Hospital Officials Say three of the wounded remain in intensive care this hour. The fourth is in fair condition. One Police Officer was also shot, but a bulletproof vest saved his life. Right now flags across virginia and the United States are at halfstaff on the orders of the president. And next hour, a prayer vigil will be held at a church a few miles from the scene. David gura is live in Virginia Beach all this morning. And as we look at today, of course our concern, one of them, is what is the latest with those who are injured. Reporter yeah, where he hearing from our colleagues there at the General Hospital here in Virginia Beach, there are still a number of individuals who are being treated in care at that hospital. We expect more updates on their conditions throughout the course of the evening. This press conference just wrapped up with the governor of the commonwealth of virginia, the mayor of Virginia Beach and police chief, and they nodded to the fact that those individuals are still under care at that hospital. At that press conference, which concluded just a few moments ago, a little new information. We did learn from the atf special agent in charge that two weapons were found at the scene, both of which were. 45 caliber. And the theme was praise for the officers who went inside when they got word of an active gunman. I spoke with the vice mayor of Virginia Beach, jim wood, and asked him how he is piecing together what is happening here and how he moves on from what happened. Here is what he had to say. I have to tell you, the Police Department did a phenomenal job and i cant not say anything about the fire department, sheriffs office, our 911 people and our ems people. They responded, they all train together. Unfortunately, we train for these things. But they train together. They are ready for mass casualties. They are ready for active shooters. But you never expect to occur in your city. Reporter the vice mayor telling me during that conversation that there is a real spirit of volunteerism in this community and in the ems part of this community as well, a lot of volunteers in that Emergency Response group. And the vice mayor telling me that there will be conversations Going Forward about the ability to access buildings like the one behind me, there is a need to have open and free access to government, of course a balance has to be struck. And those conversations will happen after this initial phase of mourning concludes. And right behind you over your shoulder, im sure youve been able to see and speak with some of those who have left there remembrances, flowers, notes during these spaces and places of a vigil. What are some of the note he s messages from friends, family and residents of the area . Reporter yeah,off the course course over the course of the day, people have been playing flowers just behind me. And something that many have said to me over the course of the day is this is a large city, a large community, the largest city in the commonwealth of virginia, because very Close Knit Community as well. And that is especially true of where im standing right now. Ive traveled widely in this country and few cities have this, that is to say a nexus where all of the government offices are here together on one campus. And that is what you really have here. So as the city manager read the list of the 12 individuals killed, there was a lot of recognition that these were people who were familiar with those who work here on a day to day basis. I certainly paused when the city manager mentioned that one of them was an employee of 41 Years Service to the city of Virginia Beach. So a lot of people who knew those who were killed and those injured, the folks that you mentioned as well. Those praying and singing. There will be more of that tomorrow on a sunday, another day of worship there in Virginia Beach. Thank you very much, well touch base with you a little later. As david mentioned, Virginia Beach officials wrapped up that News Conference a short while ago. Take a listen to mayor dyer and what he said. Let me commend the officers, the people that ran into a building where the active shooter shooting. 45 caliber bullet s and saved many people. Without reservation or doubt, Virginia Beach is a city of heros. And the strength of Virginia Beach are the people of Virginia Beach. And there is no doubt that Going Forward that we will define ourselves as a city where love and compassion for those neighbors that we lost and their families. Lets bring in our next guest, Virginia Attorney general mark herring. Thank you for being with us as we look forward to what might be next, at the same time, you know this so well, sir, an overlap of still mourning and yet fellow virginians for you there wanting answers. What are some of the answers that you might be suggesting a week from now when were in the right place to be discussing such ideas . Well, obviously we just got an update, got the latest from the press conference. And it is beyond heartbreaking what has happened here in Virginia Beach. Virginia beach has now been touched by the pain and the senseless violence of a mass shooting. Virginia beach is a vibrant beautiful city. It is a strong tight knit city. And in the difficult days and weeks ahead, we are all going to have to do everything we can to support the families of the victims, the survivors, really this whole community. And you know, it saddens me that Virginia Beach has been added to the list of those places where there has been a mass shooting and sadly it is not the only one in virginia. The shooting mass shooting at Virginia Tech happened 12 years ago. And at the time, politicians and virginia and in washington all said the right things, you know, we wont forget, well remember, well have to do something. But 12 years later, nothing has changed. We still live in a country where this not only can happen, but does happen, and it is happening all the time. I remember Virginia Tech as you do so well unfortunately. I was on air that day. And as we got more and more detail, you hoped it never happened again. And so for those who are saying please give us a solution as we get more detail for instance on the firearms themselves, this in from reuters according to an atf special agent Sean Benedict saying two of the. 45 caliber pistols were found at the scene, one was purchased in 2016, the other in 2018. Two other firearms found at the home of the suspect. And all being said as you heard during the News Conference, the guns that were bought were done so legally. Yeah, there are a lot of things that we can do to help make our community safer. It is incredibly easy to buy firearms in virginia even without a background check. We can reinstate the assault weapons ban, we can ban high capacity magazines, we can have red flag laws so people can protect their families and communities if they or someone close to them is in a dangerous crisis or the a risk of violence. So there are things that we can do. In fact there was a piece of legislation this past General Assembly session that would have banned high capacity magazines, it was defeated on a Straight Party line vote with all the democrats voting for it and the republicans against it. So these are tragedies and these kinds of tragedies are traumatic and that trauma ripples all through communities. So as we support the survivors, support the families of the victims, and this community, we also have to think about taking some real action because we are raising a whole generation of young people who are growing up with the fear that they could be shot in church, in their synagogue, anywhere. And very quickly, mr. Attorney general, motive is still out there. What are some of the considerations youre making . Well, that is something that obviously will be investigated thoroughly by the chief and the federal investigators to identify what the motive is. But right now, you know, our thoughts are with the families of the victims, with the survivors and supporting them. And again, we need to have some real solutions. As well as my heart and our hearts here are with you, sir, there in Virginia Beach. Thank you so much. Thank you. Joining me now, retired atf special agent in charge jim cavanaugh. Jim, where are we now . Well, you know, were in an america designed by the gun lobby. How is it working out . And just like the attorney general said, you know, all these bills and nobody wants to take any action. So it will take the voters i think ultimately to make the changes unless the politicians see that the voters want it and they will vote them out if they dont get it, then nothing will change. As far as the motive, that is a good discussion there. And it is very important i think. Looking at the totality of the circumstances including the targeting, i see revenge as the highest possibility in motive here. With a little bit of power, the guy went to his workplace, he knew the people and he killed them. You know, if he was on a power motive, in other words infamy, he wanted to be infamous, he could have gone anywhere for that. He could have gone to a restaurant, a public place, killed a bunch of people and then he could gain infamy. But why does he go to his workplace. That leads me to believe that it is more of the revenge motive. It is not greed, not hate, not escape, it is most likely revenge. Of course i reseven to change that if more facts come in, if he has a manifesto that says he wants to be infamous, it could be that as well. But i think more than likely revenge. So now that we have more data, how is that different than the other 149 attacks that weve had just so far this year if you were to make some distinction here . Id make three. Silencer, silencer, silencer. You dont see many with silencers. We didnt see many murders over the years with silencers. I saw a few. And some were registered, some unregistered, some suspected killings that we could improve with silencers. But for the most part people that register their silencers are not criminals. They give atf their fingerprints, the photograph, they make an application, they have to have their application signed off by the achieved of police or sheriff. And they are generally sports man hunters and shooters. So these are not used in crimes a lot. And it would be interesting to see is it legally or illegally possessed. It must have a serial number. A silencer is a firearm under the law. Jim, thank you so much. Jim cavanaugh, as always, by our said in these unfortunate times. Appreciate it. More on the Virginia Beach shooting, well have more in this hour for you, but first breaking news. President trump just announcing via twitter emmet flood, special counsel to the president , is leaving the white house. Well take a look at that. Free. You get everything you need for your home at a great price, the way it works best for you, ill take that. Wait honey, no. When you want it. You get a delivery experience you can always count on. You get your perfect find at a price to match, on your own schedule. You get fast and Free Shipping on the things that make your home feel like you. Thats what you get when youve got wayfair. 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That announcement we just got moments ago. Emmet flood the president says will be leaving service on june 14th. Nbcs Mike Viqueira will be joining us shortly. Lets go to katie phang. What is your reflection on this announcement of emmet flood as you look at his relevance to the Mueller Report and his function to handling the Mueller Report as the president is saying here . What does it say . So richard, as we all will remember, emmet flood came on board to change the tide in terms of the attitude and the response that was coming from trump and his administration to special Counsel Robert Mueller and his team. The very last coup de grace of what we could call it is the letter recently sent to bill barr asserting executive privilege from donald trump for people like don mcgahn, maybe even hope hicks, to be able to testify to congress. So floods parting shot was basically to support donald trump, his policies, his position in terms of wanting to muzzle employees both current and former from being able to speak to congress. And Mike Viqueira now joining us running to the camera as we get the news. I always appreciate it. Why now . Why is it happening now . Reporter well, i think that katie pretty much covered this. This is not unexpected. Rerp th remember that flood came in taking over for the retired ty cobb but somebody that had experience in dealing with these ethical and political issues when it comes to potential investigations or real live investigations of the president and the presidency. After all, he had worked on the clinton impeachment on the clinton side. So he had that experience. Katie referenced the fact that he is a key player or key Decision Maker in invoking executive privilege after the Mueller Report has come out now in terms of people that democrats in Congress Want to hear from. He also sent a letter just after the Mueller Report was revealed or at least the summary was released by the attorney general bill barr that sort of criticized bob mueller for not coming to a conclusion one way or the other on obstruction of justice ironically enough. He thinks that mueller should have stated one way or the other. After all, that is what prosecutors do in the estimation of emmet flood. But he is going to go gently now into that good night of sort of a punctuation mark, im sure the white house will spin it that way, as a matter of fact the president did in fact tweet this, emmet flood who came to the white house to help me with the Mueller Report will be leaving service on june 14th. He has done an outstanding job. No collusion, no okay instruction impeach the president says in his characteristic all caps. Case closed. Emmet is my friend and i thank him for the great job he has done. So certainly the president , the white house, getting out in front of this painting this as part of the plan, amicable parting. Probably from what we understand played an instrumental role in keeping the president from actually testifying in person and avoiding a subpoena from the special counsel. Joining our breaking news gang here, jill winebanks, as well. I believe we have scott long also. Jill, you heard the discussion about timing. You heard about the significance, these are all things that you know so well. What do you make of this announcement now and i guess the question might be doesnt the white house need more troops, if you will, in dealing with what is happening at the moment with the Mueller Report and what may be happening in the future given the number of investigations that are ongoing . Well, youve said it yourself. Given the number of investigations, not just the mueller russia investigation, but all of the other investigations, the white house should not be taking any breaks. And it will need all the lawyering that it can handle. It has so many subpoenas outstanding now, some of them are to the Trump Organization so they would be handled by the Trump Lawyers in the Trump Organization, but there are a number that relate to his service as president and the campaign. So there is still a lot to be done. I started making a list of the pending investigations. And i filled an entire page of my notebook as i was doing it. And i havent finished yet. So i think that there is a lot to be done and we need to just keep looking at how many lawyers he will need to keep this going. And that may be a list longer than the number of pins you have. Maybe. Maybe. It is a very long list. And that doesnt count impeachment which is definitely on the table i would say. It is something that there is a growing movement for. So that would be another element of expertise that he would have had since he had some impeachment background. So his departure seems strange with pending impeachment. Scott long, who covers the republicans for us on the hill, also with us. Feverishly looking at your phone i imagine here, scott, and reaching out to folks saying why now, what is happening, what are you hearing from the white house as the rest of our panel has already expressed this is not necessarily the best timing bas

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