Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Stephanie Ruhle 20191

MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Stephanie Ruhle December 23, 2019

What is the administrations take on the delay. Delay is the right word. They ultimately think it will go to the senate. That is clear from what a lot of what happened over the sunday talk shows, but when you look at the argument that the white house is trying to make, they have always been making a process argument and they prefer the argument, just moments ago, that gives you a sense they see an advantage in your position right now. Pelosi gave us the most unfair trial in the history of the u. S. Congress. And now she is trying for fairness in the senate. She lost congress once and jans, how can they argue process . In the beginning the white house would not participate because they said until nancy holds it to a vote we wont provide any information or any people. When the testimony was private we heard from republicans going on and on saying these testim y testimonies need top be put in public. Because the witnesses they wanted to call were not questioned. The other point they make is something you heard and their point is they think it should have gone to the courts for compelling those and it is a similar target to what jonathan made and this was the republicans witness of course, is that if you dont go to the courts that is the arbiter of this and they should have waited. So look im not adjudicating on the actual process here, im just saying their argument that they feel this is an unfair process, and more importantly, i think there are differences in the white house on how to handle it. How aggressive he should be or shouldnt be. You saw that in the 5. 5 page letter, but theyre united on the conversation, the trial, the process, and the weeds and it is a political winner for them, and they think theyre winning. And theyre talking about their polls and this latest tweet. We learned that the president will be tweeting on his vacation. Talk to us about the emails that focus on the Ukraine Military aid, what do they tell us . So these emails give us a back door into the bureaucracy on how decisions are made. What is interesting is the timing. One of the witnesses that the democrats want to call, an official, a political o point tee, came 90 minutes after. And at that point it formalizes and it saids to a direct email, as well as the pent gone, hold off the funding. Not only do they say hold off of the funding. And it is bureaucratic speak, but it says lets not share this widely. What the white house needs to say about the emails is that were talking the timing that this email came, 90 seconds after, to a decision made earlier in the week, but it gives us a sense of how this decision was implemented. All right, thank you, now we know what is going on, lets dig into why you need to care, joyce vance, a former u. S. Attorney, Deputy Assistant secretary of state, and cohost of unredacted. Joyce, to you first, those emails legally speaking, do they connect any additional dots . You know they do connect dots, and one of the most interesting things is why we have this email. Its because of a small nonpr nonprofit news room set a question for the freedom of information act asking that they be turned over and they werent provided until the very last minute that the court order would have permitted. So i think we need to have that context in mine as we look at the big blocks of black in the load of information that was provided, but we see this very clear notice that the final decision to withhold aide was not communicated to the pentagon for 91 minutes. Maybe it is coincidence, but at a bare minimum it means they must tough. It is a shame process if we dont hear from them in the senate. The president was just using executive privilege, congress was wrong for impeaching him to congress. The big flaw is that the wth didnt claim executive privilege. If you look at that letter that sent back near the binning of the beginning of the impeachment process. They said were not giving you documents or witnesses or anything. And it is not just a magic wand that you can wave that entitles you to withhold everything from congress. There are things you to hold over, things you can withhold, you can claim executive privilege, and that gets adjudicated by the courts. They just said no, were not giving you something. That is nothing that no white house in history has done. Felipe, many people thought that Mitch Mcconnell was absurd who would not put Merrick Garland up for a vote. And now nancy pelosi is being called absurd for not sending over articles of impeachment. Technically and procedurally she can do it, i dont know how politically viable that is. One of the things is that democrats and republicans like to extent of 71 , they believe there should be witnesses called before the senate, and interestingly one ofschumer cald for is michael duffy. Who is that . Excuse me, mark sandy was mark duffys predecessor at omb. Mark duffy keeps the paper flowing, he is the one that wrote the email that said lets take this offline and finally its the email that joyce is referring to. He is the paper pusher, but a very senior person at omb. He coincidentally released it 91 minutes after the phone call and he was coincidentally installed in that job after his predecessor was tossed for testifying to house intelligence. So the question is really a race between mcconnell yelling and pelosi and Chuck Schumer saying, well, if this was so serious, you would have witnesses, and at this particular letter, it really bolsters the argument. And it is an incredibly important part of the document. And if more was to come to light, it bolsters the position that really it is preordained that Mitch Mcconnell is doing whatever he wants to do. Does it bolster the democrats position . Noah, your most recent piece is called nancy pelosi, what are you doing. I find it difficult to follow her end game. The first is that by dictating terms to the senate she is destined to be ignored. So that is probably the biggest problem, the second is that she is now making a process argument, it is predicated on the argument that the process is flawed in the senate. And democrats got a favorable ruling in the appeals process and now theyre asking whether or not they have to adjudicate. It is functionally mooted. And finally, time has not been on the democrats side. The polling that reverted to a position where they were in favor of impeachment was going to a prerevelations about ukraine. They are otherwise being moved here. I dont see any path that democrats can extract for concessions out of this. If that is true, why are they lying. Lets see what Kevin Mccarthy had to share on fox news. Leader of the gop. Here is the fbi, broke into President Trumps campaign, spied on him and covered it up. It is a modern day watergate. And you have democrats not even willing to look into that. The ig did look into that very thing and found no no evidence that the fbi put any confidential human sources within the trump campaign. That being the case and what you said democrats are not in a good position, why would Kevin Mccarthy put his name, reputation, and career out there and lie on television for the world to see. Why would he lie . There is no accountability mechanism in forcing shame for the republicans why isnt he going on television, looking in a camera and telling a lie. It may not satisfy you, but it is why, no one will call it on it. When you have adam schiff saying he cannot be allowed to cheat again, youre directly contradicting the mueller report. The definitive conclusion while also relying on them. There are two existing polls and there is no accountability for somebody to impeas on them and say have you no shame . Youre telling people something that is not true. I have the document right here. And youre exposing the lawmakers to that cross partisan mechanisms. The New York Times has a piece out talking about how donald trump took over the republican party. Its one thing to be loyal, but its another thing to go out there and tell lies. If nobody is going to call you out, why not. Why not . Its a lie, why do that . I think you see you play that clip from Kevin Mccarthy, its not just the party of trump but the party of trumpism. Theyre not just loyal to trump, but they adopted their entire world view. Whether or not it is the justice department, the media, with they field emboldened to just tell lies to the public. Trump gets away with it and they think they can, too. I think to go back to what this means and what it means for impeachment, to respond to this point that noah made about whether or not they want to go through the court. Taking six months oar nir nine s to adjudicate that, what would be the point . It is all there, it is all plainly laid out in the evidence that adam schiff and his committee produce. What would be the point of delaying further if republicans are just going to look at plain evidence in the face, say that black is white and up is down, does one more witness get you any further down the line. Im not convinced that it was. Felipe, do you want to weig . In . There is two paths, one is that Hillary Clinton was being committed, and he said that hillarys numbers were high until they started investigating her and then they dropped. It was because he said that that he did not become speaker of the house. The second time he told the truth is he thinks he was caught on tape behind closed doors saying i think there are two people that putin pays. One is donald trump and the other is dana roarbacker. They have nothing but lying to say. 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Lets talk 2020 with a race still up for grabs in iowa, several candidates are still spending their time there in the ha hawkeye state. But were six weeks out and one front runner is getting heat from all sides. It is not dangerous because it will lose an election. Not wive wine cave crystal. We dont go to rich peoples wine caves. This is a campaign of the working class of this country. I think now we should decide that were not going to let billionaires in wine caves pick the next president. He basically condemned the experience, he said 100 years of experience on this stage in the previous debate and i pointed out to him that experience does matter. Josh letterman is in des moines, iowa. Whats mayor petes strategy for these attacks . It is to punch back. He has tried to have a positive campaign for most of the cycle so far, but now he says he is willing to take the gloves off and e respond when he needs to. Were talking to folks at the drake diner this morning as they start their day and have some breakfast, and i want you to meet lloyd coffman, he has been closely following the caucuses, what do you think of pete and how she handling the attacks. He is very dlib really. Yeah. Who is really at the top of your list right now . Joe and amy. I think they have more national and International Contacts on the national scene. I will keep my eye on them in the near future, but this time around i think im for the more experienced people. Great, thank you, lloyd, stephanie he will have one more chance to make his case and defend himself when he does an Editorial Board today with the des moines register. He is one of the only candidates here and he is planning to spend most of the month here in iowa. Thank you, i guess that means youll be in iowa for the moth. Joining me now is chris lu. David druk is joining us along philipee. Bernie was raising money hand over fist. What is happening now is different. You have Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren raising money of astounding numbers without holding fundraisers. Theyre the only two that can do that. Biden cant do that. Buttigieg, klobuchar, they cant do that. Does that mean it is wrong to do it the way they are doing it. It is a wedge issue. It is hysterical to it sit here and listen to man cave and wine cave over and over and over again. One of the attendees tried to write a piece making it seem normal, one of the issues is a lack of transparency. One of the issue every reporter on nbc and every network and every newspaper has at some point sat in a van outside of a fundraiser or didnt even know about the fundraiser if is a very raw point. Pete could be right or c

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