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Deaths from the virus yesterday. Florida recorded its highest death toll for a third day in a row. Meanwhile, cases continue to surge in mississippi, missouri, ohio and hawaii, all setting single day records for new cases. And for millions of americans who were hoping lawmakers would step up and strike a deal on the next Economic Relief bill, no such luck. After a seemingly lastditch effort from Senate Republicans to pass a narrow shortterm solution, the senate left town for a week. The extra 600 in Unemployment Benefits expired today, leaving millions and millions of americans asking simply, what happens now . I want to begin on capitol hill where nbcs Garrett Haake is standing by. Garrett, what can we expect to see at todays hearing . Stephanie, good morning. This will be the first appearance these three Administration Officials have in front of the select committee. It was especially created to deal with the coronavirus crisis. I think we can expect to hear a focus on probably two areas in particular. The first is going to be on testing. Jim clyburn who chairs this committee has been pushing to see more of a National Testing strategy. Expect him to hammer that point home here today and i expect the witnesses to have a lot of questions about testing across the country and why it is so delayed in so many places. I also expect to hear a heavy focus on opening up schools. This is something members of congress have been especially focused on over the last couple of weeks as school first days of school are approaching around the country. We saw when these gentlemen testified before the senate, im sure well see it again today and thirdly if there is a third topic, i expect well hear something more about the efficacy of masking. This is obviously been a hot topic up here on capitol hill after congressman Louie Gohmert tested positive for the virus earlier this week. He was well known to not wear a mask a lot of times around capitol hill. Well see some focus on that topic today as well. Steph . Gairrrett, thank you. You want to open schools, theyll need federal funding. They get that through an economic bill through congress. They went home. The president and ceo of resolve to save lives and former cdc director dr. Tom frieden. This hearing is about to begin. Its the first time dr. Fauci is addressing this committee. What are you watching for . Well, stephanie, i think we need more accountability. We know sorry. Were getting feedback. We need to know that theres going to be Information Available to the public about where the testing is done and what the turn around times are for every state, every county. We should know how many are coming back within one day, two days, three days. Why are we playing 100 for every test for tests that are nearly useless coming back after three days. Is dr. Fauci responsible for that . He is part of this group, but he cant set policy. He cant put together a National Strategy without the president and this administration signing off. One thing we need is to get on the same page. We need the same information reported every day for every state in the same way. So we have a common understanding of how bad the virus is, where its spreading and how well were doing to stop it. The frank truth is theres still a huge amount of virus in many parts of the u. S. , particularly the south and midwest and were not going to be able to open schools and keep them open unless we control the virus and support schools that adapt to this new environment. Tom, is it too late for this conversation . The hearing is literally titled the urgent need for a National Plan to contain the coronavirus. We are more than four months into this. Every week you and i have this conversation about what the country needs to do, and none of it has happened. It is frightening that we dont have a clear, National Strategy, vision or plan. Its not too complicated to say we want to save as many lives as we can and get our lives and society back. That means a whole series of things have to happen. The federal government has to do a lot, and we have to get the data. We have to be on the same page. We should be daily briefing, not just by dr. Fauci but by the subject Matter Experts at cdc. Theyve done this kind of work for decades and can tell us day after day what is happening so we can understand where its spreading, how to stop it and what were doing. The hearing is about to begin. They are preparing to start their remarks in just a minute. I want to ask you, are guideline s enough or do we need mandates . Were seeing the uptick from house parties, people think its passed us, its moved to the midwest. Do we need more than recommendations . One thing we need to understand is no one thing is going to stop this. Not even a vaccine, if and when we have one. We need a comprehensive response and some enforcement mandates will be required. Its one thing they dont go to bars. Another thing they close bars in a place where theres dramatic spread. Thats a nobrainer. Its a question about what people are going to do. You arent going to mandate people dont get together in their home. We need a common understanding of what we do to protect each other and protect our childrens education. I want to stay on that because the information were going to learn today is crucial, but i want to talk about how much teeth is in this hearing. Some schools are beginning in just a couple of weeks, but we know that Economic Relief bill yesterday wasnt agreed upon between Senate Republicans, and they went home. Unless the federal government is putting serious dollars behind safely reopening and reconfiguring schools, isnt this just noise . Any community that opens schools, but to keep them open requires two things. Controlling covid in a community and adapting the school environme environment. That is going to take resources and that Means Congress needs to step up and provide funding. I want to talk about schools and university. Theres talk of pool testing. In order to test more individuals, can you help us understand what is pool testing . How does it work . Pool testing, youve got a low rate of disease. Say youve got workers coming back or students coming back. You can put maybe four or five peoples tests in one test tube and test them all at once. If its negative, all five are negative. If its positive, you have to go back and test each of the five individuals. If you have a low rate of positivity, thats a way of the grouping the number of tests you can do and bringing the costs down. But what really bothers me is that were paying hundreds of millions of dollars for tests that are useless. And we shouldnt be paying for tests that take more than 72 hours to come back. End of discussion. And then they wouldnt be this charade that were doing 800,000 tests a day when 500,000 of them are useless. That is something we really have to focus on. 100 . The amount of money and effort being put forth for contact tracing. If people are not getting their test results for five to 12 days, theres no such thing as contact tracing. Its a complete waste of time. I want to stay on schools for just a moment. Were talking about the importance of reopening schools. If we open them and they close down again, well be caught flatfooted. It will hurt us from an education and economic standpoint. In new york city they came out with new guidelines. If a single classroom has one or more excuse me. One or two confirmed cases, those classes will close for two weeks. If theres a small outbreak in more than one classroom, the entire school will close for two weeks. Is that a good strategy . Well, i want to see what the governor has to say here. The governor has really taken a very fair approach to basing decisions on data and taking a statewide prooapproach. Theres a lot we dont know about schools. Well have to learn what works. New york is fortunate in that we have a much, much lower rate of virus than most of the country. But its still out there. Were not out of the woods yet. Weve got to be careful. Now what we do in response to a cluster of cases is going to depend on the school environment, the policies. Its important to have that plan well in advance. One of the eight key things we outlined that schools need to do that theyll be able to reopen safely. That plan for cases because there will be cases. Whether you have to shut for a day or two days or a week, that has to be thought through carefully, and there are adaptations. Like moving in pods or cohorts of students so that if one class gets it, it doesnt spread to the whole school. That kind of adaptation is really quite important. I want to talk vaccines for a moment. Thats what were all hoping for the most. We learned that the Trump Administration will invest another 2 billion towards another possible vaccine. The money is going to Fund Clinical trials and secure 100 million doses of that vaccine if its successful. Do you think the administration is on the right track when it comes to longterm solutions . Well, its absolutely the case we should be doing Everything Possible to get safe and effective vaccines. And its encouraging the studies suggest that among the vaccines out there, they are getting an immune response. But theres three things we still dont know. Does it work in people . Is it safe . Can we get it to people . For each of those three things, theres a series of things we have to get. Know how well it protects, how many people for how long . We have to look carefully at safety. A lot of the bad disease from covid is from our reaction. I dont want to be alarmists, but we have to be completely honest with the American People. Thats a risk we need to look at it. And, third, will we be able to get it into people. That means not just can we make it and transport it and deliver it, but will people trust . And that trust has to be maintained using the federal advisory committee, fda and cdc that look at every vaccine we use. I know, dr. Frieden, you are going to be focused on this hearing. It looks like its beginning right now so i want to take you and our audience there. Congressman jim clyburn is gaveling into the coronavirus hearing right now. And will not be recognized to speak. Let me also make a few reminders about how the hearings. For those appearing in person, youll be able to see members appearing remotely on the two monitors in front of you. On one monitor youll see all the members appearing remotely at once in what is known as webex as grid view mode. On the other monitor, you will see each person speaking during the hearing when they are speaking, including members who are appearing remotely. For those members appearing remotely, you can also see each person speaking during the hearing whether they are in person or remote as long as you have your webex set to active speaker mode. If you have any questions about this, please Contact Committee staff immediately. Let me also remind everyone of the house procedures that apply to hybrid hearings. For members appearing in person, a time limit is visible in the room directly in front of you. For those who may be remote, we have a timer that should be visible on your screen when you are in the active speaker with thumbnail mode, and you have a timer pinned. For members who may be appearing remotely, a few other reminders. The house rules require that we see you, so please have your cameras turned on at all times, not just when you are speaking. Members who are not recognized shall remain muted to minimize background noise and feedback. I will recognize members verbally and members retain the right to seek recognition verbally. In regular order, members will be recognized in seniority order for questions. If you are remote and want to be recognized outside of regular order, you may identify that in several ways. You may use the check function to send a request. You may send an email to the majority staff. Or you may unmute your mike c t seek recognition. Obviously, we do not want people speaking over each other so use the chat function or email to facilitate formal verbal recognition. Committee staff will ensure that i am made aware of the request, and i will recognize you. As members of the committee are likely aware, we expect votes to be called in the middle of this hearing. Out of respect for members and witnesses time and because of the Long Duration of each vote during this Public Health emergency, i do not plan to recess the hearing at any time. Committee members, including those who are recognized for questions while their vote is ongoing, will have sufficient time to step out of the hearing, cast their vote and return to the hearing. We will begin this hearing in just a moment when they tell me they are ready to begin the live stream. As they are preparing to get this hearing started, were going to take a quick break. Were watching developments on capitol hill this morning. Dr. Fauci set to testify on the Coronavirus Response that will begin any minute now. Plus, 20 million americans are hours away from losing their extended Unemployment Benefits. Were going to find any response now. There you go. 600, that unemployment boost, what Chuck Schumer has called unemployment on steroids, well, that is probably running out. Well discuss that right after the break. How about no no uh uh, no way come on, no no nnnnono only discover has no annual fee on any card. The open road is open again. And wherever youre headed, Choice Hotels is there. Book direct at choicehotels. Com. Lookentertainmentour experience xfinity x1. Its the easiest way to watch live tv and all your favorite streaming apps. Plus, x1 also includes peacock premium at no extra cost. This baby is the total package. It streams exclusive originals, the full peacock movie library, complete collections of iconic tv shows, and more. Yup, the best really did get better. Magnificent. Xfinity x1 just got even better, with peacock premium included at no additional cost. No strings attached. As we said at the top of the show, the federal governments extended Unemployment Benefits are set to expire tonight for more than 20 million americans. But the Republicanled Senate already left capitol hill for a long weekend with zero action on unemployment. The senate left on the same day the United States recorded its worst quarterly gdp ever yesterday. President trump has been telling us instead about how great the economy is going to get. Youre going to have a fantastic Third Quarter. It will be a Third Quarter the likes of which nobody has ever seen before. Third quarter is going to be tremendous numbers. Fourth quarter, likewise. By election day youll see some incredible numbers. Well have a good Third Quarter, but next year, and i said it before, will be the single greatest year economically that weve ever had. Okay . I think next year is going to be an excellent year. Maybe one of our best years ever from an economic standpoint. Of course, jared kushner, the president s soninlaw said july is when we would be rocking and rolling economically. Rock bottom is more like it. Nbcs saheel is on capitol hill. Its not a surprise gdp was this low. We shut the economy off. How could the senate have said were going to go home, were not going to focus on this, given how many americans, through no fault of their own, are without a job or an opportunity any time soon. Thats right. They had weeks, arguably months to figure this out. This deadline has been widely known for a long time. Millions of americans are relying on the 600 a week for Unemployment Benefits like for paying rent and getting food and staying in their homes. We have a partisan division between where republicans are and democrats are. Republicans are convinced the economy cannot come back because of it. They believe its a disincentive to work because a number of people getting it are taking in more money than they would by otherwise working. Democrats point to analyses that show more people would lose their jobs and the economy would be worse off if you stop this because people spend this money. This money goes straight into the economy. People get this money. Its going to go to landlords, Grocery Stores and businesses to basically help them keep the lights on and to keep their basic needs met. The senate cannot seem to find a way to agree on this. Republicans want to dramatically cut the 600 benefit. Democrats say it has to be extended and thats the stalemate. Why are they so obsessed with this 600 benefit to unemployed americans yet they arent with the 600 billion that went to ppp, the Small Business program, where we know thousands of loans went forgivable loans went to businesses that didnt need the money . Most of the republican senators i speak to point to an analysis by the Congressional Budget Office that says 5 out of 6 americans would earn more money than they could otherwise expect to by working if the 600 were extended. Of course that mindset operates in a world where the economy is roaring back, right . If businesses were rushing to hire and the pandemic was fading away, then that argument might have some merit but thats not really the world were living in and the resurgence in infections in states like california and texas and florida have caught many of them off guard. But it hasnt moved them to a place where theyre willing to extend the current benefits are go significant period of time. People need to put food on the table and support their families. I welcome any of those lawmakers to have this conversation with me any day, monday to friday, 9 00 a. M. Sahil, thank you. I want to turn our attention back to the hearing. Congressman jim clyburn speaking. Lets listen in. Public health is not a partisan issue. And i hope that all members of the committee will join me in seeking the best Economic Relief<\/a> bill, no such luck. After a seemingly lastditch effort from Senate Republicans<\/a> to pass a narrow shortterm solution, the senate left town for a week. The extra 600 in Unemployment Benefits<\/a> expired today, leaving millions and millions of americans asking simply, what happens now . I want to begin on capitol hill where nbcs Garrett Haake<\/a> is standing by. Garrett, what can we expect to see at todays hearing . Stephanie, good morning. This will be the first appearance these three Administration Officials<\/a> have in front of the select committee. It was especially created to deal with the coronavirus crisis. I think we can expect to hear a focus on probably two areas in particular. The first is going to be on testing. Jim clyburn who chairs this committee has been pushing to see more of a National Testing<\/a> strategy. Expect him to hammer that point home here today and i expect the witnesses to have a lot of questions about testing across the country and why it is so delayed in so many places. I also expect to hear a heavy focus on opening up schools. This is something members of congress have been especially focused on over the last couple of weeks as school first days of school are approaching around the country. We saw when these gentlemen testified before the senate, im sure well see it again today and thirdly if there is a third topic, i expect well hear something more about the efficacy of masking. This is obviously been a hot topic up here on capitol hill after congressman Louie Gohmert<\/a> tested positive for the virus earlier this week. He was well known to not wear a mask a lot of times around capitol hill. Well see some focus on that topic today as well. Steph . Gairrrett, thank you. You want to open schools, theyll need federal funding. They get that through an economic bill through congress. They went home. The president and ceo of resolve to save lives and former cdc director dr. Tom frieden. This hearing is about to begin. Its the first time dr. Fauci is addressing this committee. What are you watching for . Well, stephanie, i think we need more accountability. We know sorry. Were getting feedback. We need to know that theres going to be Information Available<\/a> to the public about where the testing is done and what the turn around times are for every state, every county. We should know how many are coming back within one day, two days, three days. Why are we playing 100 for every test for tests that are nearly useless coming back after three days. Is dr. Fauci responsible for that . He is part of this group, but he cant set policy. He cant put together a National Strategy<\/a> without the president and this administration signing off. One thing we need is to get on the same page. We need the same information reported every day for every state in the same way. So we have a common understanding of how bad the virus is, where its spreading and how well were doing to stop it. The frank truth is theres still a huge amount of virus in many parts of the u. S. , particularly the south and midwest and were not going to be able to open schools and keep them open unless we control the virus and support schools that adapt to this new environment. Tom, is it too late for this conversation . The hearing is literally titled the urgent need for a National Plan<\/a> to contain the coronavirus. We are more than four months into this. Every week you and i have this conversation about what the country needs to do, and none of it has happened. It is frightening that we dont have a clear, National Strategy<\/a>, vision or plan. Its not too complicated to say we want to save as many lives as we can and get our lives and society back. That means a whole series of things have to happen. The federal government has to do a lot, and we have to get the data. We have to be on the same page. We should be daily briefing, not just by dr. Fauci but by the subject Matter Experts<\/a> at cdc. Theyve done this kind of work for decades and can tell us day after day what is happening so we can understand where its spreading, how to stop it and what were doing. The hearing is about to begin. They are preparing to start their remarks in just a minute. I want to ask you, are guideline s enough or do we need mandates . Were seeing the uptick from house parties, people think its passed us, its moved to the midwest. Do we need more than recommendations . One thing we need to understand is no one thing is going to stop this. Not even a vaccine, if and when we have one. We need a comprehensive response and some enforcement mandates will be required. Its one thing they dont go to bars. Another thing they close bars in a place where theres dramatic spread. Thats a nobrainer. Its a question about what people are going to do. You arent going to mandate people dont get together in their home. We need a common understanding of what we do to protect each other and protect our childrens education. I want to stay on that because the information were going to learn today is crucial, but i want to talk about how much teeth is in this hearing. Some schools are beginning in just a couple of weeks, but we know that Economic Relief<\/a> bill yesterday wasnt agreed upon between Senate Republicans<\/a>, and they went home. Unless the federal government is putting serious dollars behind safely reopening and reconfiguring schools, isnt this just noise . Any community that opens schools, but to keep them open requires two things. Controlling covid in a community and adapting the school environme environment. That is going to take resources and that Means Congress<\/a> needs to step up and provide funding. I want to talk about schools and university. Theres talk of pool testing. In order to test more individuals, can you help us understand what is pool testing . How does it work . Pool testing, youve got a low rate of disease. Say youve got workers coming back or students coming back. You can put maybe four or five peoples tests in one test tube and test them all at once. If its negative, all five are negative. If its positive, you have to go back and test each of the five individuals. If you have a low rate of positivity, thats a way of the grouping the number of tests you can do and bringing the costs down. But what really bothers me is that were paying hundreds of millions of dollars for tests that are useless. And we shouldnt be paying for tests that take more than 72 hours to come back. End of discussion. And then they wouldnt be this charade that were doing 800,000 tests a day when 500,000 of them are useless. That is something we really have to focus on. 100 . The amount of money and effort being put forth for contact tracing. If people are not getting their test results for five to 12 days, theres no such thing as contact tracing. Its a complete waste of time. I want to stay on schools for just a moment. Were talking about the importance of reopening schools. If we open them and they close down again, well be caught flatfooted. It will hurt us from an education and economic standpoint. In new york city they came out with new guidelines. If a single classroom has one or more excuse me. One or two confirmed cases, those classes will close for two weeks. If theres a small outbreak in more than one classroom, the entire school will close for two weeks. Is that a good strategy . Well, i want to see what the governor has to say here. The governor has really taken a very fair approach to basing decisions on data and taking a statewide prooapproach. Theres a lot we dont know about schools. Well have to learn what works. New york is fortunate in that we have a much, much lower rate of virus than most of the country. But its still out there. Were not out of the woods yet. Weve got to be careful. Now what we do in response to a cluster of cases is going to depend on the school environment, the policies. Its important to have that plan well in advance. One of the eight key things we outlined that schools need to do that theyll be able to reopen safely. That plan for cases because there will be cases. Whether you have to shut for a day or two days or a week, that has to be thought through carefully, and there are adaptations. Like moving in pods or cohorts of students so that if one class gets it, it doesnt spread to the whole school. That kind of adaptation is really quite important. I want to talk vaccines for a moment. Thats what were all hoping for the most. We learned that the Trump Administration<\/a> will invest another 2 billion towards another possible vaccine. The money is going to Fund Clinical<\/a> trials and secure 100 million doses of that vaccine if its successful. Do you think the administration is on the right track when it comes to longterm solutions . Well, its absolutely the case we should be doing Everything Possible<\/a> to get safe and effective vaccines. And its encouraging the studies suggest that among the vaccines out there, they are getting an immune response. But theres three things we still dont know. Does it work in people . Is it safe . Can we get it to people . For each of those three things, theres a series of things we have to get. Know how well it protects, how many people for how long . We have to look carefully at safety. A lot of the bad disease from covid is from our reaction. I dont want to be alarmists, but we have to be completely honest with the American People<\/a>. Thats a risk we need to look at it. And, third, will we be able to get it into people. That means not just can we make it and transport it and deliver it, but will people trust . And that trust has to be maintained using the federal advisory committee, fda and cdc that look at every vaccine we use. I know, dr. Frieden, you are going to be focused on this hearing. It looks like its beginning right now so i want to take you and our audience there. Congressman jim clyburn is gaveling into the coronavirus hearing right now. And will not be recognized to speak. Let me also make a few reminders about how the hearings. For those appearing in person, youll be able to see members appearing remotely on the two monitors in front of you. On one monitor youll see all the members appearing remotely at once in what is known as webex as grid view mode. On the other monitor, you will see each person speaking during the hearing when they are speaking, including members who are appearing remotely. For those members appearing remotely, you can also see each person speaking during the hearing whether they are in person or remote as long as you have your webex set to active speaker mode. If you have any questions about this, please Contact Committee<\/a> staff immediately. Let me also remind everyone of the house procedures that apply to hybrid hearings. For members appearing in person, a time limit is visible in the room directly in front of you. For those who may be remote, we have a timer that should be visible on your screen when you are in the active speaker with thumbnail mode, and you have a timer pinned. For members who may be appearing remotely, a few other reminders. The house rules require that we see you, so please have your cameras turned on at all times, not just when you are speaking. Members who are not recognized shall remain muted to minimize background noise and feedback. I will recognize members verbally and members retain the right to seek recognition verbally. In regular order, members will be recognized in seniority order for questions. If you are remote and want to be recognized outside of regular order, you may identify that in several ways. You may use the check function to send a request. You may send an email to the majority staff. Or you may unmute your mike c t seek recognition. Obviously, we do not want people speaking over each other so use the chat function or email to facilitate formal verbal recognition. Committee staff will ensure that i am made aware of the request, and i will recognize you. As members of the committee are likely aware, we expect votes to be called in the middle of this hearing. Out of respect for members and witnesses time and because of the Long Duration<\/a> of each vote during this Public Health<\/a> emergency, i do not plan to recess the hearing at any time. Committee members, including those who are recognized for questions while their vote is ongoing, will have sufficient time to step out of the hearing, cast their vote and return to the hearing. We will begin this hearing in just a moment when they tell me they are ready to begin the live stream. As they are preparing to get this hearing started, were going to take a quick break. Were watching developments on capitol hill this morning. Dr. Fauci set to testify on the Coronavirus Response<\/a> that will begin any minute now. Plus, 20 million americans are hours away from losing their extended Unemployment Benefits<\/a>. Were going to find any response now. There you go. 600, that unemployment boost, what Chuck Schumer<\/a> has called unemployment on steroids, well, that is probably running out. Well discuss that right after the break. How about no no uh uh, no way come on, no no nnnnono only discover has no annual fee on any card. The open road is open again. And wherever youre headed, Choice Hotels<\/a> is there. Book direct at choicehotels. Com. Lookentertainmentour experience xfinity x1. Its the easiest way to watch live tv and all your favorite streaming apps. Plus, x1 also includes peacock premium at no extra cost. This baby is the total package. It streams exclusive originals, the full peacock movie library, complete collections of iconic tv shows, and more. Yup, the best really did get better. Magnificent. Xfinity x1 just got even better, with peacock premium included at no additional cost. No strings attached. As we said at the top of the show, the federal governments extended Unemployment Benefits<\/a> are set to expire tonight for more than 20 million americans. But the Republicanled Senate<\/a> already left capitol hill for a long weekend with zero action on unemployment. The senate left on the same day the United States<\/a> recorded its worst quarterly gdp ever yesterday. President trump has been telling us instead about how great the economy is going to get. Youre going to have a fantastic Third Quarter<\/a>. It will be a Third Quarter<\/a> the likes of which nobody has ever seen before. Third quarter is going to be tremendous numbers. Fourth quarter, likewise. By election day youll see some incredible numbers. Well have a good Third Quarter<\/a>, but next year, and i said it before, will be the single greatest year economically that weve ever had. Okay . I think next year is going to be an excellent year. Maybe one of our best years ever from an economic standpoint. Of course, jared kushner, the president s soninlaw said july is when we would be rocking and rolling economically. Rock bottom is more like it. Nbcs saheel is on capitol hill. Its not a surprise gdp was this low. We shut the economy off. How could the senate have said were going to go home, were not going to focus on this, given how many americans, through no fault of their own, are without a job or an opportunity any time soon. Thats right. They had weeks, arguably months to figure this out. This deadline has been widely known for a long time. Millions of americans are relying on the 600 a week for Unemployment Benefits<\/a> like for paying rent and getting food and staying in their homes. We have a partisan division between where republicans are and democrats are. Republicans are convinced the economy cannot come back because of it. They believe its a disincentive to work because a number of people getting it are taking in more money than they would by otherwise working. Democrats point to analyses that show more people would lose their jobs and the economy would be worse off if you stop this because people spend this money. This money goes straight into the economy. People get this money. Its going to go to landlords, Grocery Stores<\/a> and businesses to basically help them keep the lights on and to keep their basic needs met. The senate cannot seem to find a way to agree on this. Republicans want to dramatically cut the 600 benefit. Democrats say it has to be extended and thats the stalemate. Why are they so obsessed with this 600 benefit to unemployed americans yet they arent with the 600 billion that went to ppp, the Small Business<\/a> program, where we know thousands of loans went forgivable loans went to businesses that didnt need the money . Most of the republican senators i speak to point to an analysis by the Congressional Budget Office<\/a> that says 5 out of 6 americans would earn more money than they could otherwise expect to by working if the 600 were extended. Of course that mindset operates in a world where the economy is roaring back, right . If businesses were rushing to hire and the pandemic was fading away, then that argument might have some merit but thats not really the world were living in and the resurgence in infections in states like california and texas and florida have caught many of them off guard. But it hasnt moved them to a place where theyre willing to extend the current benefits are go significant period of time. People need to put food on the table and support their families. I welcome any of those lawmakers to have this conversation with me any day, monday to friday, 9 00 a. M. Sahil, thank you. I want to turn our attention back to the hearing. Congressman jim clyburn speaking. Lets listen in. Public health is not a partisan issue. And i hope that all members of the committee will join me in seeking the best Health Advice<\/a> for the American People<\/a>, not fighting partisan political battles. We do not need to lose another 150,000 american lives. If we do not make drastic changes now, this tragic outcome is well within the realm of possibility. The chair now recognizes the distinguished Ranking Member<\/a> for his opening statement. Thank you, mr. Chairman. And thank our witnesses for being here. Before i open, i do want to mention mr. Chairman, this is our first meeting weve had since the passing of our dear friend and colleague john lewis. I know you personally were friends with him for roughly 60 years, and we all feel that loss, very fitting tributes yesterday, and he was a dear colleague, but also a key important part of the movement that has made america an even greater nation. Its very fitting that our country has been paying such a tribute to a dear friend and an icon in the civil rights movement. Our friend john lewis. Thank you again, mr. Chairman, for having this hearing. I want to thank the witnesses, and i also want to thank your teams because you represent what is on the front lines of President Trump<\/a>s plan to combat the coronavirus crisis. For anybody to suggest that theres not a plan, in fact, when you look at the title of todays hearing. Urgent need for a plan. Thats not the title of a hearing. Thats a political narrative and a false political narrative at that. You wouldnt even be here today if there wasnt a plan because you are the people tasked with carrying out the plan. In fact if you were sidelined, you wouldnt be here either. And i know some people want to suggest that, but maybe they havent spent time reading different components of the plan. These are just a few, by the way. A few of the documents that your agencies have published to show states how to safely reopen. To show schools how to safely reopen. To show Nursing Homes<\/a> how to care for their patients, which, by the way, if all governors would have followed those guidelines, thousands more seniors in Nursing Homes<\/a> would be alive today if just five governors would have followed your plan that was developed by President Trump<\/a> and is being carried out by you and your teams effectively every day. So again, let me thank you on behalf of the millions of American People<\/a> who are alive today that wouldnt be alive if you werent carrying out President Trump<\/a>s effective plan to keep americans safe as we learn about this virus. As we work to get a cure for this virus. And by the way, the cure, operation warp speed is part of President Trump<\/a>s National Plan<\/a>, and i think weve all seen just how close we are to a vaccine, which is revolutionary. Revolutionary in modern time to be this close to a vaccine. We wouldnt be here that close to a vaccine without President Trump<\/a>s leadership and without the work of you and your teams to carry out that plan. So again, i appreciate the work that you continue to do. Every day we learn more about a plan. Like any plan. Whether its a military plan or a football plan. You start the first play with a plan but then the plan has to change as things change along the way and were seeing that play out daily. When you look at the work thats been done, i think we talk about different parts of the guidance. We have not always been in agreement on each part of them, but weve had a number of hearings where weve talked through how to improve testing. One of the first hearings we had in this committee on testing was back when america was maybe conducting less than 200,000 tests a day. Today, because of the work that you all have been doing and because of the president s plan, were at over 800,000 tests per day, and that number continues to grow. Nobody is stopping. Nobody is resting on their laurels, but when you look at that trajectory, again, going from a virus that no one even knew about just six months ago, china lied about during that period, where we could have learned a lot more, could have saved more lives while china was lying. I wish wed have hearings on that because that is a real fact. Thats not a political talking point. We all know not only did china lie. They corrupted the World Health Organization<\/a>. And they were perpetuating that as well and made it harder for us. I remember being in a meeting at the white house with dr. Fauci months ago before it was a Global Pandemic<\/a> and we were talking about the desire to get some of our medical experts into china to find out what was really going on, and they wouldnt let you in. The Chinese Communist<\/a> party wouldnt let you in when President Trump<\/a> wanted to send medical experts into china before it spread into the United States<\/a>. And that cost lives. Why arent we having a hearing about that . Clearly we talk about some of the other Different Things<\/a> that were done to stop the spread. This president actually did develop an early plan called 15 days to stop the spread. One of the first real organized plans to encourage states to pull back. It wasnt an easy plan for the president to have to issue, but it was necessary. There were meetings in the white house. I think dr. Fauci and dr. Birx were there as that plan was being carried out that determined maybe we need to go longer, to go 30 more days. And in fact by going 30 more days you could say 1 million, maybe 2 million more lives. And then President Trump<\/a> announced that plan. And did save those lives. The Trump Administration<\/a> then released a plan called guidelines opening up america again on how states could safely reopen. Thats this part of the plan, by the way. Maybe some people are so busy reading tweets they havent read the plan. Its really good guidance issued by some of the most recognized International Experts<\/a> on disease prevention, some of you here today, represent parts of this plan. And so in opening up america, again, showed how states could safely reopen. It was developed by Public Health<\/a> experts. Some complain that President Trump<\/a> didnt have the power to force states to reopen. So the administration released guidelines so that states had discretion. Each state, we all understand how the tenth amendment works. Each governor is in charge of their state. Nursing homes are actually regulated by the states, not by the federal government. But we give guidance. And its been really good guidance. That guidance has saved lives. We hear cities we hear people talking about the cries of the need for testing. So lets talk about what hhs has done to lead on testing. Zero tests. Again go back a few mounths ago. Zero tests to over 800,000 a day. Nobody is slowing down. Were actually increasing that number. Well be over a million tests a day. Maybe well have a hearing on how much progress weve made there and we want to continue to make progress. Dr. Giroir was in baton rouge with me and the vipce president talking about what were doing to increase testing. A goal to get below seven days for people to get results. That number has narrowed dramatically. More than half of americans get tested, get their results in less than 24 hours because of the rapid work that this team has done carrying out the president s plan. Testing is not just about numbers. Its about targeting testing to the right people at the right time. To that point, the Trump Administration<\/a> has begun distribution of rapid point of care tests to Nursing Homes<\/a>. Ive talked to nursing home heads recently who said that decision by the Trump Administration<\/a> to purchase nursing an actual testing kit for every single nursing home in america, over 15,000 Nursing Homes<\/a>, each of them will have their own 15minute test. That will save lives. Thats part of this plan. On may 15th, 2020, President Trump<\/a> announced operation warp speed. Part of a very directed National Plan<\/a> to combat this deadly virus. Operation warp speed is a Public Private<\/a> partnership between several federal agencies to accelerate the development, manufacturing and distribution of a covid19 vaccine as well as therapies, diagnostics, other things to direct the specific goal of delivering 300 million doses of a safe, effective fda proven vaccine for covid19 by january 2021. And were seeing that happen at remarkable speed. Were not just going to wait for fda approval. Theyre mass producing those vials now so that if there is one of those vaccines approved by the fda, its ready to go. We dont start manufacturing at that point and cost us more weeks. Were actually ready to go. Some of that money was money we passed in the c. A. R. E. S. Act that President Trump<\/a> has used effectively to be ready as the vaccines are being developed in testing phases. Dr. Fauci, i look forward to learning more about the stunning progress that weve seen researchers make on cures and vaccines. I know youve been involved in research in some of the most awful, deadly viruses that weve known in the history of the world. Hiv, ebola. Of course, now corona. We still dont have a vaccine for hiv. Its been over ten years of work. Youve done remarkable work to at least give therapies so that people can extend their lives. But not a proven vaccine for so many of these diseases years and years later. And here we are six months into corona, and we are this close to a vaccine. So you look at where weve seen the chinese government. We hopefully will get into conversations about how costly it was. How many lives were lost because the Chinese Communist<\/a> party lied to the world. Not just the United States<\/a>, but the world. Getting the World Health Organization<\/a> to give false information in those critical early days. But why dont we now talk about moving into august. A lot of work is being done to talk about how to safely reopen schools. In fact, more guidance was just given as part of this plan by cdc to safely reopen schools. We saw, of course, the American Academy<\/a> of pediatrics gave great guidance on thou safely reopen school and talked about the damage to children when you dont reopen schools. So much damage being done to our children in those systems where they are talking about not reopening. Hopefully we can shine some light and show those other School Systems<\/a> how they can safely reopen and serve those children, millions and millions of children who were counting on us to get it right. Those School Systems<\/a> have to get it right. Theres money, by the way, Still Available<\/a> at every state for sanitizers, masks, all the things youd need to safely reopen. Its not about money. Its the will, the desire to do it. We have the will. Youve had the will. You have been carrying out the president s plan. Every day well learn more. Every day well continue to strive to address the new challenges, but lets not forget the things that have already been done as part of this plan that have saved millions of lives. We mourn every loss. But lets also recognize the lives that would have been lost if you werent on the job carrying out President Trump<\/a>s plan to contain this, to find a vaccine which were on the brink of and to help safely reopen our economy, safely reopen our schools, so that we can get back to our way of life as we combat this deadly virus. With that, ill look forward to hearing from our witnesses. Thank you, mr. Chairman. I yield back. Thank you, mr. Ranking member. I would now like to introduce our witnesses. Today the select committee is pleased to welcome dr. Anthony fauci, the director of the National Institute<\/a> of allergy and Infectious Disease<\/a> at the National Institute<\/a>s of health. We welcome back admiral brett giroir, the assistant secretary for health at the department of health and Human Services<\/a>. And finally, we welcome dr. Robert redfield, director of the centers for Disease Control<\/a> and prevention. Thank you to all of our witnesses for being here today. Will the witnesses please stand so i may swear them in. Please raise your right hands. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you god . You may be seated. Let the record show that the witnesses all answered in the affirmative. Without objection, your written statements will be made part of the record. Dr. Fauci, you are recognized for your opening statement. Thank you very much, mr. Chairman. Ranking member scalise, members of the committee. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to discuss with you today the role of the National Institute<\/a>s of health in a Research Endeavor<\/a> to address covid19. Our strategic plan, which we put together several months ago, embarks on four separate points. The first is to improve fundamental knowledge of the virus and the biology of the virus and the response to the virus. This has led to a delineation of the cryoem structure of the now famous spike protein which is the target of virtually all of the vaccines that are being produced today. In addition to delineate the nature of the receptor in the body to which the virus binds. Very important in understanding the path of physiology and pathogenesis. A number of studies, including a study started in may to better understand the role of infection in children and what role they play in spreading the virus. In addition, weve been involved in the second component, which is the development of diagnostics which ill point out is the nih rapid acceleration of diagnostics, referred to as radx. Thats aimed at underserved populations with a very Large Population<\/a> of money to develop point of care diagnostics to facilitate even more diagnostic capability. Next is the characterization and testing of therapeutics. It is well known now that over the past several weeks, there have been two therapeutics that have passed randomized placebocontrolled trials for individuals late in the course of disease. One of these is remdesivir, a trial run by the nih, which showed a statistically significant improvement in the time to survival in individuals who are hospitalized with pulmonary disease. That has now been part of the standard of care in individuals with moderate to advanced disease. In addition, a placebocontrolled randommized trial of dexamethasone showed an improvement in death rate in the highly significant manner in individuals on respirators as well as those requiring oxygen. And then, finally, the development and testing of effective vaccines. Several months ago, we put together what we call a strategic approach to covid19 Vaccine Research<\/a> and development. And the reason we did this is because there were multiple candidate vaccines that are moving along at a very rapid pace. And we wanted to make sure that they learned from each other. So we made standardized protocols, common data and safety monitoring boards, common primary and secondary end points and common individual laboratory tests. There are three separate platforms that are being pursued with government help, nuclaic acid, viral vectors and vsv and protein subunits. One of these is a trial that started last monday, the this past monday, the 27th, beginning in a phase three child. Its a trial that will go over several months involving 30,000 individuals. We hope that as the time we get into the late fall and early winter, we will have, in fact, a vaccine that we can say would be safe and effective. One can never guarantee the safety or effectiveness unless you do the trial. But we are cautiously optimistic that this will be successful because in the early studies in humans, the phase one study, it clearly showed that individuals who were vaccinated mounted a neutralizing antibody response that was at least comparable and in many respects better than what we see in convalescent serum from individuals who have recovered from covid19. As i mentioned, the phase three trial has already started. 30,000 individuals. We are already starting to enroll. I might also conclude, members of the committee, to point out that there is a website call coronavirus prevention network. Org where individuals can actually indicate their willingness to participate in the Clinical Trials<\/a> and to make sure that we have a diverse representation. Already, as of last night, there have been over 250,000 individuals who have registered their interest in being in these trials. And i just want to use my last couple of seconds to urge anyone who is listening who wants to participate to please go to that website and register so that you can be part of the solution of this terrible scourge. Thank you, mr. Chairman. Thank you very much, dr. Fauci. We will now hear from dr. Giroir, or admiral giroir. Both are fine. Chairman clyburn, Ranking Member<\/a> scalise and distinguished members of the committee, its good to see all of you again. Testing is an essential component of americas Public Health<\/a> response to covid19. Testing enables clinical decision making. It heralds impending outbreaks. It informs resource allocation and it assists in minimizing economic and social disruption. But we cannot test our way out of this or any other pandemic. Testing does not replace personal responsibility. It does not substitute for avoiding crowded indoor spaces or washing hands or wearing a mask. A negative test does not mean that you wont be positive tomorrow. A negative test does not substitute for avoiding crowds or wearing a mask or protecting the vulnerable with your actions. All of that being said, as of this morning, the nation has performed over 59 million covid19 tests. Now averaging over 820,000 tests per day, up from 550,000 tests per day when i appeared before this Committee Just<\/a> earlier this month. Since march 12th, we have increased our daily testing over 32,000 . Half of these tests are done in either point of care technologies with results in 15 minutes or less, or at local hospitals for which the turn around time is generally within 24 hours. Because of unprecedented demand, large commercial labs that do approximately half of the nations testing have become strained. But because of expanded capacity and newly authorized techniques like pooling and novel extraction methods, turn around times are definitely improving. This week, lab Corp Announced<\/a> two to three days. Numbers dont tell the complete story because this is not only about numbers. Its about getting the right test at the right time to the right person with timely and actionable results. So we will continue to execute in accordance with our National Testing<\/a> plan. This plan was initially outlined in the testing blueprint opening up america again and the adendum to that blueprint. It was operationalized in the federal requirements for each states testing plan. Our plan was further detailed in the administrations testing strategy report provided to congress on may 23rd. In short, we are one, identifying newly emergent outbreaks early to facilitate Swift Community<\/a> action. Two, diagnosing covid19 rapidly in hospitalized patients to accelerate receipt of those proven treatments. Three, protecting the vulnerable. Both the elderly and highrisk racial ethnic and Socio Economic<\/a> minorities. Four, enabling identification and isolation of those who are infectious, coupled with contact tracing. Five, advancing state testing plans to achieve Overall National<\/a> objectives, as well as statespecific goals. And six, supporting safe reopening of schools and businesses through surveillance testing that does not impinge upon the clinical diagnostic system. With the limited time remaining, i want to highlight two of these objectives. Protecting the elderly has been, is and will continue to be a foremost priority for this administration. So on july 14th, we announced that every single nursing home in the nation would receive a point of care instrument and enough tests for their residents and staff to be tested. We are delivering on this promise. By the end of this week, we will have delivered, according to schedule, nearly 1 million point of care tests to 1,019 of the highest risk Nursing Homes<\/a> with another 664 Nursing Homes<\/a> scheduled for next week. My next point is about surveillance testing. We should separate the clinical diagnostic system from the Public Health<\/a> Surveillance System<\/a>. Diagnostics are for those who are hospitalized symptomatic or high risk exposures. Surveillance testing can be for College Students<\/a> or potentially students in k through 12 or workers in environments that are not high risk or other similar situations. This type of surveillance can occur in nonclea labs outside of the fda system at low cost and very high through put. We are working closely with states and universities to implement this type of system and many of them, like lsu, already have. We have all the tools, the supplies and the Regulatory Framework<\/a> to enable a robust Surveillance System<\/a> throughout the nation. In closing, we know how to flatten the curve, slow the spread and save lives. Wear a mask. Practice physical distancing. Avoid crowded indoor spaces. Practice good hygiene by washing your hands frequently. If you feel sick, stay at home. And protect the elderly and vulnerable populations of all ages through your actions. I look forward to your questions and thank you for the opportunity to provide these remarks. Thank you, admiral dr. Giroir. Dr. Redfield . Good morning, chairman clyburn, Ranking Member<\/a> scalise and members of the subcommittee. Thank you for the opportunity to be here today with my interagency colleagues. On behalf of cdc, i want to extend our deepest sympathies for the loss of our nations esteemed georgia congressman and your colleague john lewis. Our nation will remember him for his courage, his conviction, his patriotism and his commitment to equity for all. Cdc also remembers him as a fierce advocate for Public Health<\/a>. Working together, we are positioned to honor his lifelong commitment to social justice by advancing Health Equity<\/a> and mitigating the negative impacts of racism on Public Health<\/a> in our nation. The three of us here today are united in delivery of critical initiatives to stop the spread of covid19 to gain the upper hand on this pandemic in the United States<\/a> and to protect all americans while dedicating even greater attention to overcoming the Health Disparities<\/a> experienced by populations at increased risk for this disease. We are seven months into this Global Pandemic<\/a>, and it is with great humility that i share with you, this is the most complex Public Health<\/a> response this nation has undertaken in more than a century. This virus is indiscriminate regarding whom and when it strikes. We continue to learn its characteristics, characteristics, behavior and effect on americans across social economic spectrum. Were operating in a highly dynamic environment. We are adapting evidencebased strategies and pushing for Innovative Solutions<\/a> to confront this unprecedented Public Health<\/a> crisis. While im optimistic, and look forward to discussing the promise of the covid19 vaccine, i want to strongly emphasize we are not defenseless now. We have powerful tools and if all of us, not just some of us, but all of us embrace these tools, we will get a handle on this pandemic. I am appealing to all americans to be part of the Public Health<\/a> solution. Wearing a simple mask properly, it is critical to limiting the transmission. Be smart about social distancing, and being in crowded spaces, stay six feet apart from others if possible and be vigilant about hand hygiene. And together we can turn the tide of this pandemic. With emergency funding, cdc has distributed more than 12 billion to the state, tribal, local and Territorial Health<\/a> departments to begin building the Public Health<\/a> infrastructure this nation needs. But more importantly than our nation deserves. This system has been underinvested in for decades and needs to be put on a path for sustained funding now. Data monitorization is under way to ensure real time actual data and Data Analytics<\/a> and to include predictive data analysis. Public health labs are restructuring, instituting the necessary resilience to rapidly respond to emergencies, Public Health<\/a> talent is being hired to enhance lab capacity, deploy Cutting Edge Technology<\/a> solutions and conduct effective communitybased contact tracing. A legion of Public Health<\/a>care workers are deployed on the front lines and working 24 7 to protect the health and safety of americans. Cdc staff are on communities across the nation. Our state and local partners are committed to advocate and educating about the needs to embrace Public Health<\/a> strategies that best serve families and their communities. And essential workers, First Responders<\/a> and Healthcare Professionals<\/a> are steadfast in their service sacrifice and commitment to save lives. Please take note and please tend to them as they are tending to us. We cannot afford to do it without them. As ri recently told a group of leaders this week, we are in the arena. Were dedicating committed to doing our best, and im confident that united we will emerge a betbetter, stronger, m resilient nation. Adversity requires all of us pushing harder, thinking differently, being innovative, and perhaps most importantly, always seeing the possible of what we can accomplish when we unite and Work Together<\/a>. This pandemic challenged us with its persistence, its uncertainty, and its unpredictability. And yet im confident that together well prevail over this virus. But we must Work Together<\/a> in the best interest of our children, our grandchildren, our great grandchildren and our nations generations to come. Thank you and i look forward to your questions. Thank you very much, dr. Redfield. And thanks to all of you for your testimonies and as i said earlier, you submitted to us fuller testimony and it will be entered into the record. I recognize myself for five minutes for questions. On january 31st, 2020, six months ago today, the secretary of health and Human Services<\/a> declared the coronavirus outbreak and i quote, a Public Health<\/a> emergency for the entire United States<\/a>. But rather than immediately bringing our nation together, to tackle the problem, the Trump Administration<\/a> downplayed the crisis, ignored scientific experts, and deferred to states and the private sector to lead the response dr. Fauci, on march 11th of this year, you testified before the Oversight Committee<\/a> saying and i quote, it is going to get worse. I regret to say, you were right. It did get worse. On march 11th, the country confirmed just over 1200 cases and 31 deaths. Today, we have confirmed more than 4. 4 million cases and we have just reached 150,000 deaths. There is a chart i have up here, this chart compares the number of new daily coronavirus cases in the United States<\/a> with those in europe. It shows how much worse the outbreak has been in the United States<\/a>. It is europe, little line here, the European Union<\/a>, here the United States<\/a>. And here is where we are on the way. We started going up. While the european countries, European Union<\/a> plateaued and is going down. Can you help us understand why europe has largely contained the virus, the United States<\/a> has seen a continued rise in new cases . Thank you very much, mr. Chairman. The answer to that question is really somewhat complex but ill try maybe to very briefly go through what i believe are at least some of the factors that were involved. If you look at what happened in europe, when they shut down or locked down or went to shelter in place, however you want to describe it, they really did it to the tune of about 95 plus percent of the country did that. When you actually look at what we did, even though we shut down, even though it created a great deal of difficulty, we really functionally shut down only about 50 in the sense of the totality of the country. Which means when we reached our peak, as they did, they came down almost to a low baseline as you have shown very clearly. But take a look at what happened to our baseline, we came up, down, and then we plateaued at about 20,000 cases a day. So we started off with a very difficult baseline of transmission that was going on at the time we tried to open up the country. And when we opened up the country, what we saw particularly most recently in the Southern States<\/a> was an increase of cases to 20, 30, 40, 50 and a couple of weeks ago up to 70,000 per day and now it is down between 50 and 60. And the reasons for that are complex. Some states did it very well. And there are some states that did not. And when i say did not, i men, y we put out as Ranking Member<\/a> scalise mentioned, the guidelines of a gateway, phase one, phase two, phase three, some were followed very carefully and some were not. And in those situations in which they were not, that led to the surging that youre showing on your chart there. And one of the reasons is not doing some of the things that dr. Redfield mentioned in his opening statement. Universal wearing of masks, avoiding crowds, et cetera, et cetera. It is a complicated reason why those charts are that way and hopefully as were going forward, we can turn those around and i do believe we can, mr. Chairman, by doing some fundamental things that were talking about, five easy things to do that were mentioned by dr. Redfield. Thank you. Thank you very much. At the risk of going over my time, what im going to do is yield to you, Ranking Member<\/a>, for five minutes, so we can go vote. Okay. Thank you, mr. Chairman. And, again, appreciate all of you being here. I know when we talk about President Trump<\/a>s team that he has been relying on to help put together this plan and like i said this is just a small part of the plan, there are thousands and thousands of more pages online of various aspects of President Trump<\/a>s plan to combat the coronavirus, but we have, of course, dr. Fauci, dr. Giroir, dr. Redfield, dr. Birx, a whole array of doctors, medical experts, best in the world that are helping work with President Trump<\/a> to develop this plan, is that correct, if i could ask any of you all, is that correct . By the way, were any of you sidelined from coming snee ing . Some people use that term. If any of you were sidelined, please share it. Good to see all of you here. Dr. Fauci, let me ask you about some of the decisions that you worked with President Trump<\/a> on, and the whole team did. You go back to the beginning of this, the china ban was very heavily discussed, were you involved in working with President Trump<\/a> on deciding to ban flights from china . Yes, sir. I was. Do you agree with that decision . I do. Do you think that decision saved lives, dr. Fauci . Yes, i do. Do you agree with the decision when ultimately we saw spread in europe and the president recommended we extend that to europe, did you participate in that discussion . I was actively involved in that discussion, sir. Do you agree with that decision . Yes, i do. Do you think that decision saved lives . Yes, i do. Eventually we saw the United Kingdom<\/a> have an outbreak, were you part of that decision . I was. And do you agree with that decision as well . I do. Did that decision save lives . 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