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Media has said i call it fake media. Its so much fake news. Its frankly disgusting the way the press is able to write whatever they want to write. And people should look into it. Okay. A lot to cover today. We begin with what may be President Trumps most serious blow yet to former president obamas Signature Health care law. Ending a crucial component of obamacare. Cost sharing reductions. You might hear them as csrs. The headline on axios says it all. Trump takes a sledge hammer to the aca, bstcare. President tweets obamacare is a broken mess. Piece by piece we will now begin the process of giving america the Great Health Care it deserves. Also tweetsing the democrats obamacare is imploding. Massive subsidy payments to their pet Insurance Companies has stopped. Demes should call me to fix. Pelosi and schumer blasting the move calling it a spiteful act of vast pointless sabotage leveled at working families and the middle class in every corner of many erk. Allows Insurance Companies to sell cheaper policies that offer less than obamacare currently requires. The president was talking about it just moments ago. You saw what we did yesterday to health care. Its step by step by step. And that was a very big step yesterday. Another big step was taken the day before yesterday. And one by one its going to come down and were going to have Great Health Care in our country. We are going to have Great Health Care in our country. Were taking a little different roud than we had hoped because congress forgot what their pledges were. So were going a little different route. But you know what . In the end, its going to be just as effective and maybe itll even be better. Not sure about that. The president said people will pay less for health care. But for facts sake, our fact figures find the opposite. Cost sharing reductions. Theyre subsidy payments critically made by the federal government to help Insurance Companies use to help the out of pocket costs that low income americans would otherwise pay if theyre part of the insurance the public marketplace. This year the payments to insurers were set to be 7 billion. Next year they were going to be 10 billion. But take a look at this. In august the Congressional Budget Office issued a report saying that ending these subsidies would increase federal budget deficits over the next decade by 194 billion. Okay . Theyre going to includrease th deficit. Some states announced in 2018 that obamacare premiums would all be up. If we had kept the cost sharing reductions, this is the increase youd see for 2018. Without them, pennsylvania was 9 now its 20 . Michigan, 17 , now 27 . Georgia was going to be up 31. 5 . Now up 54 . Maryland was going to be up 33 . They have not speculated what it will be without the csrs. So we dont know whats going to happen there until now. Other states almost assumed because the president had hinted that the csrs would not continue. Delaware looking at a 25 increase. South carolina, 31 , tennessee 37 . Iowa 37 . The big exception is alaska which has the highest Health Insurance premiums in the nation. They announced an average premium decrease of 26. 5 even though they assumed the is csrs would not continue. Already the attorneys general of new york and california say they are going to File Lawsuits to prevent President Trump from ending the subsidies. The republicans have always insisted that the subsidies are illegal because Congress Never appropriated the money for them. And in 2016, this is important, a federal judge agreed with congress. John boehner as the speaker at the time filed suit and a federal judge agreed with that. But the judge put her ruling on hold and that is still being appealed 37 were going to stay on this story. Were going to give you everything you need to know. One thing you do need to know, there are no immediate changes as they relate to the 2018 open Enrollment Period because these states had already determined what those increase rates would be. Theyre going to be higher, but they were going to be higher anyway. Another big issue, you heard President Trump just talk about it. He teased a major announcement later today. In a little while ill be giving a speech on iran. A terrorist nation like few others. And i think youre going to find it very interesting. Im sure we are. Al l Hallie Jackson is going to be there in a speech. He is expected to say he will not certify the Nuclear Agreement even though he has certified twice since taking office. But before that, lets have a refresher. The iran deal is known as the jcpoa the joint comprehensive plan of action. It took two years to negotiate and involved domestic risk by everybody who was signing on. Key provisions of the jcpoa are restrictions on the amount of nuclear fuel that iran can keep for 15 years. It also cut down on the countrys stockpile of low enriched uranium by 98 . And this is important, it was a reduction in the number of centrifuges reduced by twothirds. All of these are vital to creating Nuclear Weapons. Iran is subject to Intrusive Inspections to make sure theyre complying. The president says hes not canceled the deal and despite kicking it to congress, hes not asking them to toss it out either. At least not yet. Heres what is happening. The administration is asking for socalled trigger points which if violated would allow the United States to reimpose sanctions on iran. Those trigger points include Ballistic Missiles by iran. Iran refusing to extend the timeline on its Nuclear Fuel Storage restrictions. Or if u. S. Intelligence agencies believe that iran could actually finish a Nuclear Weapon in less than a year. All right. What all of this does not take into account . There are other countries involved in the deal. There were five others who were responsible for negotiating it along with iran and the United States. Theres the uk, france, russia, china, and germany. Remember, this was a huge, multilateral agreement. It is not something that the u. S. Can easily just rip up. There are consequences for violating the deal assuming as we have been that iran is actually sticking to its side of it. If the majority of an eightmember panel finds that iran is in violation, sanctions will snap back into place. You heard that term used a lot. All countries involved and the European Union sit on that very panel. If the administration thinks putting sanctions back is going to fix everything, remember that north korea developed Nuclear Weapons despite more severe sanctions. Some food for thought. Before the president tries to discard what was a very hard plan. There are a lot of sides to this thing. I want to go to iran for one of them. Laura, let me start with you. Because this is really important. The agency is the one that reports on whether or not iran is living up to its side of the agreement. As it relates to its nuclear pra m. And they have continuously said iran is living up to it. Thats right. Time after time when the agreement when the iea has been asked to give its ruling which is quarterly, they have identified that they have found no violations of the Nuclear Agreement with iran. Ali, the issue here of course that the Trump Administration is bringing up is not that iran is violating the letter of the deal that was signed, but there was a preamble to that deal and an understanding iran would be a better Global Citizen and good neighbor. And theyre saying they are not doing that. It is meddling. They are involved in propping up the regime in syria. It is involved in hezbollah. Its not being a good neighbor. Well, ali, that was the hope of the obama administration. To improve irans behavior. But that was not the latter of the nuclear deal. The only thing the deal was supposed to do was curtail irans ambitions of creating a Nuclear Weapon. So far it has done that. Iaea said iran has been in talks with a deal eight times so far. Now, there are flaws with the deal. Theres no doubt about that. There are things that could have been negotiated better. But thats not part of the deal. The deal was the Nuclear Program. And iran is adhering to the letter of that deal. So it boggles the mind why you would want to prevent your country against Nuclear Weapons. Iran for that part sees there is a benefit to adhere to this deal. They wanted to call to prop up again. They wanted to sell oil on the open market fop reinvigorate their economy. The only way to do that was to moth ball their Nuclear Program and theyve done that for now. Because they want better relationships with the international community. Thats something president rouhani has said over and over again. But none of that is happening. So iran is now edging away from this. Theyre saying if youre looking at different aspects of this, if you want to revolutionize it makes the deal essentially null and void. So were going down a very dangerous road here. You have a country that has been contained right now. And now youre opening the doors for it to break away from the Nuclear Agreement thats working. And nobody seems to agree with President Trump on this. All of americas allies are saying the deal is working. Even the israelis is saying this is working. But theyre saying we should adhere to the deal. So im not sure what the strategy is Going Forward once you take this deal apart or you start tinkering with different aspects of it thats going to make the iranians say were out of this. This is not working for us. Youre not were entering some very uncertain times, ali. Im not sure what will happen if this deal falls apart. But i can tell you for sure the moderates in this country will be silenced. Very important point nap there are hardliners in iran who side with this idea. They thought it was a bad deal too. Ambassador holgate, spell this out for us. Those who said this was a good deal or most of the people in america thought it was a bad deal. The truth was it was a hard deal to arrive at for purposes of the aea. It was hard won. What are the chances of getting control of irans Nuclear Program if they let this deal go . Well, the chances are very minimal that that can happen. The iranians are complying with a very detailed set of investigations and measures under socalled Additional Protocol which is a standard document that many countries have. And under wish no country has ever successfully pursued a Nuclear Weapons program. But the iranians are only applying that provisionally. They have not yet ratified that until later in the process of the deal. And so it would be very easy for iran to step back from those intrusive conditions embedded in the Additional Protocol as well as other provisions on parts of their program of their Nuclear Program. And if the u. S. Is violating the deal, theres no reason to expect they would not step back from their provisions as well. All right. Were going to follow this closely. Thanks for the analysis from both of you. All right. Stan stand by, everyone. Donald trump once again attacking the free press. Im going to speak with a longtime champion newton minnow. Why hes asked all the former president who is are alive to come together and fight this. Heres our political cartoon of the day. A row of red buttons on his desk. Theyre labeled with some of this favorite targets. North korea, iran, cnn, new york times, nbc, and the nfl. Stay with us. Youre watching velshi rhule on msnbc. cheering a triangle solo . Surprising. Whats not surprising . How much money sam and yohanna saved by switching to geico. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. Hes a nascar champion whos shes a worldclass swimmer whos stared down the best in her sport. But for both of them, the most challenging opponent was. Pe blood clots in my lung. It was really scary. A dvt in my leg. I had to learn all i could to help protect myself. My doctor and i choose xarelto® xarelto®. To help keep me protected. Xarelto® is a latestgeneration blood thinner. Thats proven to treat and reduce the risk of dvt and pe blood clots from happening again. In clinical studies, almost 98 of patients on xarelto® did not experience another dvt or pe. Heres how xarelto works. Xarelto® works differently. Warfarin interferes with at least six bloodclotting factors. Xarelto® is selective. Targeting just one critical factor, interacting with less of your bodys natural bloodclotting function. Dont stop taking xarelto® without talking to your doctor as this may increase risk of blood clots. While taking, you may bruise more easily, or take longer for bleeding to stop. It may increase your risk of bleeding if you take certain medicines. Xarelto® can cause serious, and in rare cases, fatal bleeding. Get help right away for unexpected bleeding, unusual bruising, or tingling. If youve had spinal anesthesia, watch for back pain or any nerve or musclerelated signs or symptoms. Do not take xarelto® if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. Tell your doctor before all planned medical or dental procedures and before starting xarelto® about any conditions, such as kidney, liver, or bleeding problems. Youve got to learn all you can. To help protect yourself from dvt and pe blood clots. Talk to your doctor about xarelto®. Theres more to know. Its frankly disgusting the way the press is able to write whatever they want to write. And people should look into it. That was President Trump in his latest assault on the press. But theres one outlet he seems to like listens to. Check this out. Since taking office hes done 16 interviews with fox news. Thats more than all the other outlets combined. Lets listen to just a few of those interviews over the past nine months. These people over at nbc news doing everything they can to take you down. What i have here is a copy of Donald Trumps tax returns. We have his federal tax return for one year, for 2005. I thought you leaked those returns yourself. It made you look good. You had made 135 million and paid a lot of dough to uncle sam. You know, theyre bad people. Theres something wrong with them. They leaked them. Its illegal to do what they did i think. Are you going after these leakers hard . Thinking about it. Were looking at it. But its terrible what going on in washington. We have a certain establishment out there thats leaking. Will you be able to work with schumer after all of the horrible things he said . Its tough. Im surprised because ive known him for a long time. Big news today. You said you didnt take james comey. Why did you want him to believe you possibly did that . Well, i didnt tape him. But when he found out that i you know, that there may be tapes out there, whether its governmental tapes or anything else and who knows, i think his story may have changed. I mean, youll have to take a look at that. It was a smart way to make sure he stayed honest in those hearings. Well, it wasnt very stupid. I can tell you that. So now you get a flavor of how fox news interviews the president , you can understand why he doesnt really like nbc. Joining me now is newton minnow. He was a sergeant in the u. S. Army during world war ii. He served as chairman of the federal Communications Commission under president kennedy. Hes one of the last remaining members of the Kennedy Administration alive. And thats just among a litany of other offices he has held in his long, notable career. Just last year and you have to sit far second while i let people know. He was awarded, there it is, the president ial medal of freedom during president obamas last ceremony awarding the honor. Ironically it was jfk who started that award and he was never around to award a single one of them. He recently penned two opeds, newton did. One with an experience in the Kennedy Administration which is relative to this situation and another appealing to all other former president s. Thank you for joining us. I want to start with this conversation that you wrote in an oped about a year ago when you got the medal of freedom. You remembered a time when president kennedy phoned you because he was mad about something that nbc had reported. Thanks, al. What happened was that the ceremony for the medal of freedom was on november 22nd which was the anniversary of the president kennedy. I thought about president kennedy during that ceremony many years later. Every president at some point gets irritated with the media. In the case i wrote about, president kennedy was in a controversy with the steel industry. Which had just raised prices despite what president kennedy thought had been a commitment not to do that. And i was at home one evening when president kennedy called me and he said, did you see the nbc news tonight . I said yes, mr. President , i did. He said you see what these guys said about me. I said yes i did, mr. President. He said i want you to do something. Do something about it. And he hung up. Of course, i thought about it and i didnt do anything. And in the morning, i call the president and i got the president s assistant. And he said i know why youre calling because i was with the president when he called last night. I said either tell the president yourself or ill be glad to talk to him myself. But tell him hes lucky hes got a friend at the fcc who knows enough not to President Trump<\/a>s most serious blow yet to former president obamas Signature Health<\/a> care law. Ending a crucial component of obamacare. Cost sharing reductions. You might hear them as csrs. The headline on axios says it all. Trump takes a sledge hammer to the aca, bstcare. President tweets obamacare is a broken mess. Piece by piece we will now begin the process of giving america the Great Health Care<\/a> it deserves. Also tweetsing the democrats obamacare is imploding. Massive subsidy payments to their pet Insurance Companies<\/a> has stopped. Demes should call me to fix. Pelosi and schumer blasting the move calling it a spiteful act of vast pointless sabotage leveled at working families and the middle class in every corner of many erk. Allows Insurance Companies<\/a> to sell cheaper policies that offer less than obamacare currently requires. The president was talking about it just moments ago. You saw what we did yesterday to health care. Its step by step by step. And that was a very big step yesterday. Another big step was taken the day before yesterday. And one by one its going to come down and were going to have Great Health Care<\/a> in our country. We are going to have Great Health Care<\/a> in our country. Were taking a little different roud than we had hoped because congress forgot what their pledges were. So were going a little different route. But you know what . In the end, its going to be just as effective and maybe itll even be better. Not sure about that. The president said people will pay less for health care. But for facts sake, our fact figures find the opposite. Cost sharing reductions. Theyre subsidy payments critically made by the federal government to help Insurance Companies<\/a> use to help the out of pocket costs that low income americans would otherwise pay if theyre part of the insurance the public marketplace. This year the payments to insurers were set to be 7 billion. Next year they were going to be 10 billion. But take a look at this. In august the Congressional Budget Office<\/a> issued a report saying that ending these subsidies would increase federal budget deficits over the next decade by 194 billion. Okay . Theyre going to includrease th deficit. Some states announced in 2018 that obamacare premiums would all be up. If we had kept the cost sharing reductions, this is the increase youd see for 2018. Without them, pennsylvania was 9 now its 20 . Michigan, 17 , now 27 . Georgia was going to be up 31. 5 . Now up 54 . Maryland was going to be up 33 . They have not speculated what it will be without the csrs. So we dont know whats going to happen there until now. Other states almost assumed because the president had hinted that the csrs would not continue. Delaware looking at a 25 increase. South carolina, 31 , tennessee 37 . Iowa 37 . The big exception is alaska which has the highest Health Insurance<\/a> premiums in the nation. They announced an average premium decrease of 26. 5 even though they assumed the is csrs would not continue. Already the attorneys general of new york and california say they are going to File Lawsuits<\/a> to prevent President Trump<\/a> from ending the subsidies. The republicans have always insisted that the subsidies are illegal because Congress Never<\/a> appropriated the money for them. And in 2016, this is important, a federal judge agreed with congress. John boehner as the speaker at the time filed suit and a federal judge agreed with that. But the judge put her ruling on hold and that is still being appealed 37 were going to stay on this story. Were going to give you everything you need to know. One thing you do need to know, there are no immediate changes as they relate to the 2018 open Enrollment Period<\/a> because these states had already determined what those increase rates would be. Theyre going to be higher, but they were going to be higher anyway. Another big issue, you heard President Trump<\/a> just talk about it. He teased a major announcement later today. In a little while ill be giving a speech on iran. A terrorist nation like few others. And i think youre going to find it very interesting. Im sure we are. Al l Hallie Jackson<\/a> is going to be there in a speech. He is expected to say he will not certify the Nuclear Agreement<\/a> even though he has certified twice since taking office. But before that, lets have a refresher. The iran deal is known as the jcpoa the joint comprehensive plan of action. It took two years to negotiate and involved domestic risk by everybody who was signing on. Key provisions of the jcpoa are restrictions on the amount of nuclear fuel that iran can keep for 15 years. It also cut down on the countrys stockpile of low enriched uranium by 98 . And this is important, it was a reduction in the number of centrifuges reduced by twothirds. All of these are vital to creating Nuclear Weapon<\/a>s. Iran is subject to Intrusive Inspections<\/a> to make sure theyre complying. The president says hes not canceled the deal and despite kicking it to congress, hes not asking them to toss it out either. At least not yet. Heres what is happening. The administration is asking for socalled trigger points which if violated would allow the United States<\/a> to reimpose sanctions on iran. Those trigger points include Ballistic Missiles<\/a> by iran. Iran refusing to extend the timeline on its Nuclear Fuel Storage<\/a> restrictions. Or if u. S. Intelligence agencies believe that iran could actually finish a Nuclear Weapon<\/a> in less than a year. All right. What all of this does not take into account . There are other countries involved in the deal. There were five others who were responsible for negotiating it along with iran and the United States<\/a>. Theres the uk, france, russia, china, and germany. Remember, this was a huge, multilateral agreement. It is not something that the u. S. Can easily just rip up. There are consequences for violating the deal assuming as we have been that iran is actually sticking to its side of it. If the majority of an eightmember panel finds that iran is in violation, sanctions will snap back into place. You heard that term used a lot. All countries involved and the European Union<\/a> sit on that very panel. If the administration thinks putting sanctions back is going to fix everything, remember that north korea developed Nuclear Weapon<\/a>s despite more severe sanctions. Some food for thought. Before the president tries to discard what was a very hard plan. There are a lot of sides to this thing. I want to go to iran for one of them. Laura, let me start with you. Because this is really important. The agency is the one that reports on whether or not iran is living up to its side of the agreement. As it relates to its nuclear pra m. And they have continuously said iran is living up to it. Thats right. Time after time when the agreement when the iea has been asked to give its ruling which is quarterly, they have identified that they have found no violations of the Nuclear Agreement<\/a> with iran. Ali, the issue here of course that the Trump Administration<\/a> is bringing up is not that iran is violating the letter of the deal that was signed, but there was a preamble to that deal and an understanding iran would be a better Global Citizen<\/a> and good neighbor. And theyre saying they are not doing that. It is meddling. They are involved in propping up the regime in syria. It is involved in hezbollah. Its not being a good neighbor. Well, ali, that was the hope of the obama administration. To improve irans behavior. But that was not the latter of the nuclear deal. The only thing the deal was supposed to do was curtail irans ambitions of creating a Nuclear Weapon<\/a>. So far it has done that. Iaea said iran has been in talks with a deal eight times so far. Now, there are flaws with the deal. Theres no doubt about that. There are things that could have been negotiated better. But thats not part of the deal. The deal was the Nuclear Program<\/a>. And iran is adhering to the letter of that deal. So it boggles the mind why you would want to prevent your country against Nuclear Weapon<\/a>s. Iran for that part sees there is a benefit to adhere to this deal. They wanted to call to prop up again. They wanted to sell oil on the open market fop reinvigorate their economy. The only way to do that was to moth ball their Nuclear Program<\/a> and theyve done that for now. Because they want better relationships with the international community. Thats something president rouhani has said over and over again. But none of that is happening. So iran is now edging away from this. Theyre saying if youre looking at different aspects of this, if you want to revolutionize it makes the deal essentially null and void. So were going down a very dangerous road here. You have a country that has been contained right now. And now youre opening the doors for it to break away from the Nuclear Agreement<\/a> thats working. And nobody seems to agree with President Trump<\/a> on this. All of americas allies are saying the deal is working. Even the israelis is saying this is working. But theyre saying we should adhere to the deal. So im not sure what the strategy is Going Forward<\/a> once you take this deal apart or you start tinkering with different aspects of it thats going to make the iranians say were out of this. This is not working for us. Youre not were entering some very uncertain times, ali. Im not sure what will happen if this deal falls apart. But i can tell you for sure the moderates in this country will be silenced. Very important point nap there are hardliners in iran who side with this idea. They thought it was a bad deal too. Ambassador holgate, spell this out for us. Those who said this was a good deal or most of the people in america thought it was a bad deal. The truth was it was a hard deal to arrive at for purposes of the aea. It was hard won. What are the chances of getting control of irans Nuclear Program<\/a> if they let this deal go . Well, the chances are very minimal that that can happen. The iranians are complying with a very detailed set of investigations and measures under socalled Additional Protocol<\/a> which is a standard document that many countries have. And under wish no country has ever successfully pursued a Nuclear Weapon<\/a>s program. But the iranians are only applying that provisionally. They have not yet ratified that until later in the process of the deal. And so it would be very easy for iran to step back from those intrusive conditions embedded in the Additional Protocol<\/a> as well as other provisions on parts of their program of their Nuclear Program<\/a>. And if the u. S. Is violating the deal, theres no reason to expect they would not step back from their provisions as well. All right. Were going to follow this closely. Thanks for the analysis from both of you. All right. Stan stand by, everyone. Donald trump once again attacking the free press. Im going to speak with a longtime champion newton minnow. Why hes asked all the former president who is are alive to come together and fight this. Heres our political cartoon of the day. A row of red buttons on his desk. Theyre labeled with some of this favorite targets. North korea, iran, cnn, new york times, nbc, and the nfl. Stay with us. Youre watching velshi rhule on msnbc. cheering a triangle solo . Surprising. Whats not surprising . How much money sam and yohanna saved by switching to geico. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. Hes a nascar champion whos shes a worldclass swimmer whos stared down the best in her sport. But for both of them, the most challenging opponent was. Pe blood clots in my lung. It was really scary. A dvt in my leg. I had to learn all i could to help protect myself. My doctor and i choose xarelto\u00ae xarelto\u00ae. To help keep me protected. Xarelto\u00ae is a latestgeneration blood thinner. Thats proven to treat and reduce the risk of dvt and pe blood clots from happening again. In clinical studies, almost 98 of patients on xarelto\u00ae did not experience another dvt or pe. Heres how xarelto works. Xarelto\u00ae works differently. Warfarin interferes with at least six bloodclotting factors. Xarelto\u00ae is selective. Targeting just one critical factor, interacting with less of your bodys natural bloodclotting function. Dont stop taking xarelto\u00ae without talking to your doctor as this may increase risk of blood clots. While taking, you may bruise more easily, or take longer for bleeding to stop. It may increase your risk of bleeding if you take certain medicines. Xarelto\u00ae can cause serious, and in rare cases, fatal bleeding. Get help right away for unexpected bleeding, unusual bruising, or tingling. If youve had spinal anesthesia, watch for back pain or any nerve or musclerelated signs or symptoms. Do not take xarelto\u00ae if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. Tell your doctor before all planned medical or dental procedures and before starting xarelto\u00ae about any conditions, such as kidney, liver, or bleeding problems. Youve got to learn all you can. To help protect yourself from dvt and pe blood clots. Talk to your doctor about xarelto\u00ae. Theres more to know. Its frankly disgusting the way the press is able to write whatever they want to write. And people should look into it. That was President Trump<\/a> in his latest assault on the press. But theres one outlet he seems to like listens to. Check this out. Since taking office hes done 16 interviews with fox news. Thats more than all the other outlets combined. Lets listen to just a few of those interviews over the past nine months. These people over at nbc news doing everything they can to take you down. What i have here is a copy of Donald Trumps<\/a> tax returns. We have his federal tax return for one year, for 2005. I thought you leaked those returns yourself. It made you look good. You had made 135 million and paid a lot of dough to uncle sam. You know, theyre bad people. Theres something wrong with them. They leaked them. Its illegal to do what they did i think. Are you going after these leakers hard . Thinking about it. Were looking at it. But its terrible what going on in washington. We have a certain establishment out there thats leaking. Will you be able to work with schumer after all of the horrible things he said . Its tough. Im surprised because ive known him for a long time. Big news today. You said you didnt take james comey. Why did you want him to believe you possibly did that . Well, i didnt tape him. But when he found out that i you know, that there may be tapes out there, whether its governmental tapes or anything else and who knows, i think his story may have changed. I mean, youll have to take a look at that. It was a smart way to make sure he stayed honest in those hearings. Well, it wasnt very stupid. I can tell you that. So now you get a flavor of how fox news interviews the president , you can understand why he doesnt really like nbc. Joining me now is newton minnow. He was a sergeant in the u. S. Army during world war ii. He served as chairman of the federal Communications Commission<\/a> under president kennedy. Hes one of the last remaining members of the Kennedy Administration<\/a> alive. And thats just among a litany of other offices he has held in his long, notable career. Just last year and you have to sit far second while i let people know. He was awarded, there it is, the president ial medal of freedom during president obamas last ceremony awarding the honor. Ironically it was jfk who started that award and he was never around to award a single one of them. He recently penned two opeds, newton did. One with an experience in the Kennedy Administration<\/a> which is relative to this situation and another appealing to all other former president s. Thank you for joining us. I want to start with this conversation that you wrote in an oped about a year ago when you got the medal of freedom. You remembered a time when president kennedy phoned you because he was mad about something that nbc had reported. Thanks, al. What happened was that the ceremony for the medal of freedom was on november 22nd which was the anniversary of the president kennedy. I thought about president kennedy during that ceremony many years later. Every president at some point gets irritated with the media. In the case i wrote about, president kennedy was in a controversy with the steel industry. Which had just raised prices despite what president kennedy thought had been a commitment not to do that. And i was at home one evening when president kennedy called me and he said, did you see the nbc news tonight . I said yes, mr. President , i did. He said you see what these guys said about me. I said yes i did, mr. President. He said i want you to do something. Do something about it. And he hung up. Of course, i thought about it and i didnt do anything. And in the morning, i call the president and i got the president s assistant. And he said i know why youre calling because i was with the president when he called last night. I said either tell the president yourself or ill be glad to talk to him myself. But tell him hes lucky hes got a friend at the fcc who knows enough not to Pay Attention<\/a> to the president when the president is angry. Because president s get angry. And they legitimately do and theyre not supposed to be in love with the media that covers them. Right. But the difference today is that i think our current president doesnt auns that. Its the job of the press to be a critic and to and thats the role of the press. Thats why the First Amendment<\/a> protects the press because that is exactly what the media should be doing. And the current president s judgment, everything he doesnt like that the press reports is fake news. And thats just a misunderstanding of our government. Just so our viewers have a proper roll of what the fcc plays, wla should it be . I guess youre looking for certain standards to be held up for decency, for mall las. What are the things you could have gotten involved in as the chair of the fcc . Well, the fundamental point of the law creating the fcc is that broadcasters should serve the Public Interest<\/a>. The Public Interest<\/a>. Not the private interest. And the Public Interest<\/a> means that journalists should cover the news, critique things as they wish. But try to be as fair as possible. Thats the fundamental point. But if the Public Interest<\/a> is taken by the bait and criticism and nurture and change. Thats the american system. Newt, you have an ask. Youre not letting it go. Youve asked all living president s to take action about the stuff that President Trump<\/a> is doing with respect to the media. What is it youre asking them to do . Im very alarmed when the head of our National Intelligence<\/a> and the chairman republican chairman of the Foreign Relations<\/a> committee tell us that the president is unstable and our system where one man has his hands on the Nuclear Weapon<\/a>s, im asking the five president who is have 32 years in the oval office with their hands on the Nuclear Weapon<\/a>, very steady hands for all 32 years. Im asking them to alert the country to the seriousness of our current situation. Good to talk to you. Al, we miss you in chicago. Bill there on tuesday, actually. Bill there next week. Good to see you. Maybe ill see you there. Thanks. Newton minow, former head of the fcc. Stand by, everybody. The Harvey Weinstein<\/a> scandal is getting worse. Dozens have come forward with allegations against the movie mogul. Whats next for him and hollywood . Youre watching velshi rhule live on msnbc. The morning walk was so peaceful. Until. It. Wasnt. Dont let type 2 diabetes get between you and your heart. Even if you reach your a1c goal you are still at risk for heart attack or stroke. Talk to your Health Care Provider<\/a> today about diabetic heart disease. And find out more at heartoftype2. Com. Your heart and type 2 diabetes. Make the connection. What is an answer and how can you measure the value of one . Today trusted answers from trusted sources are rare and precious commodities. Theyre out there but finding them on your own has never been harder. Its why at Thomson Reuters<\/a> we provide you with the intelligence, technology, and Human Expertise<\/a> you need to find trusted answers. The answer company. Thomson reuters. New fallout this morning from the scandal surrounding Harvey Weinstein<\/a>. The number of women accusing him of Sexual Misconduct<\/a> continues to grow. Scotland yard is reportedly investigating weinstein. Received a report wednesday about an alleged Sexual Assault<\/a> in the United Kingdom<\/a> from the 1980s. Also developing, another board member of the Weinstein Company<\/a> is out. A source in a position to know tells nbc news Richard Koenigsberg<\/a> is the latest to step down. Hes among four other member who have resigned since the scandal surfaced. Variety reports some Board Members<\/a> are pushing for the company to be sold while others say they want to stay and try to weather the storm despite Business Partners<\/a> bailing and debt piling up. I want to bring in msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos. Good to see you. This is kind of tricky from a legal perspective. You are part of a major corporation. Many of them do very little and they get paid a lot of money. Theyre often the owners friends and other rich people. Bailing when things get bad is actually can be legally perilous. Because if they knew what Harvey Weinstein<\/a> was up to or had an inkling about it, they had a legal responsibility to get on top of that thing. You cant just leave and wash your hands of the stuff. No. Theyre in a tricky position. Youre absolutely right. As a member of the board, you have the fiduciary and legal o obligations. This could be evidence of what they knew. In terms of finding out what they actually knew, this is going to be discoverable. Theres going to be emails. Theres going to be memos. Theres going to be some sort of records of who knew what and when. Its important to know that in states like california and new york but particularly california, there is automatic, strict liability for a company when a supervisor like Harvey Weinstein<\/a> harasses an employee, sexually harasses an employee. Well put up a screen of those on the board. Harvey weinstein and his brother ran Successful Companies<\/a> that created great films. That won a lot of awards. And in theory, thats the kind of thing that makes money. Now with weinstein out, there are people who are saying maybe this company cant even survive reputationally it cant make films. It cant attract the capital it needs. People wont want to touch it. Yet theres some creativity possibly and value in some parts of that company. They have a difficult decision to make. They may want to consider chapter 11, reorganization. It means they reorganize. They negotiate their outstanding debts and try to get people to accept a little less on the dollar than what theyre owed. They have to look carefully at the assets and the business as whats called a goirng concern. What is its viability in the future and is it worth the trouble of reorganization. Thats a tough question in a company with this sort of reputational damage. Can they live off of their laurels in the past to say we can still attract good money and movies or is that too damaged. Now we have another unrelated but interesting story. Amazon has suspended one of its hollywood executives kaccused o Sexual Harassment<\/a>. Roy price was accused of making graphic and unwarranted sexual remarks back in twvtz to isa hackett. First reported the accusations back in august. The site reports there was an investigation but no information about any results. Yesterday amazon announced it was suspending price after hackett went public with details in an interview. In a statement, it was said row price is on leave of absence effective immediately. Joining me is editor and chief of the information. Thank you for being with us. First of all, whats the connection between roy price and amazon and then b Weinstein Company<\/a> . Or are they just putting them into the same press release . So theres two connections. The first is that yesterday rose mcgowan also accused roy price of basically covering up or not taking action on her allegations against Harvey Weinstein<\/a>. Amazon has projects with the wine steen company. Theres a conflict there as well. Theyre also entangled in incidents because isa hackett said she was willing to share more about the event because shes boldened on what to give out. Do you know if there was action taken after the investigation in 2015 . Do you think the suspension that they announced yesterday is because of the Harvey Weinstein<\/a> stuff that amazon was trying to get in front of this . We dont know. We know that isa said she told amazon about this incident back then. That it was investigated. Amazon told us that the information, the same thing earlier this summer. I think yesterday she had a lot more detail about the nature of his remarks, some very explicit and graphic details. I believe that made this tougher to ignore. You learned that amazon brought in the same investigator who looked into isas claims two years ago to talk with employees in the spring. Tell me about this. Because what we hear about in other companies where Sexual Harassment<\/a> or assault is uncovered. Companies bringing people to talk to other employees. Is that to protect them . To try and figure out whether this is more widespread . Do you know anything about that . I think, you know, its really to try and get to the bottom of whats going on. I mean, obviously the investigator was trying to do her job. I think the question is what does the company then do once presented we the information . We know that a lot of people spoke to that investigator including hackett. Jessica, thanks very much for joining us. Founder and editor in chief of the information which broke that story on the amazon situation. Stand by, everybody. Were digging back into trumps tax plan. Theres some really good reasons it hasnt happened since 19 e6. Well explain why reagans reform passed and why trumps a harder sell. And heres Stephen Colbert<\/a> are trumps promise to cut taxes to the lowest level in decades. 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Ive always wanted to create those experiences for others. With my advisors help along the way, its finally my turn to be the host. When you have the right financial advisor, life can be brilliant. Ameriprise welcome back to velshi rhule. Here are some of the top stories were following right now. Breaking news in california. Right now more than 20 wildfires are burning in the state. 31 people have died. Hundreds are missing. Unfortunately the conditions are getting worse. Theres an elevated threat through much of Northern California<\/a> all weekend. Strong winds are expected tonight and tomorrow. 20 to 60 miles an hour in some areas. And heres an indication of the challenges that firefighters are facing. The fires are barely contained. All right. Earlier today a western family freed from the taliban left pakistan for great britain. Caitlin coleman and joshua boyle seen here in this talibanreleased video were taken hostage by the taliban while hiking in afghanistan in 2012. They had their three children while being held by the taliban. President trump is touting his tax plan as recently as this morning. We Hope Congress<\/a> will pass massive tax cuts for the American People<\/a>. So its a cut now rather than tax reform. And does it help you . The answer keeps getting clearer as the president compares the proposal to president reagans tax cuts in 1986. But analysis and, well, plain old history shows the plan is missing, well, kind of everything that made the reagan plan so beloved by a generation of conservatives. I want to bring in cnbc editor at large john harwood to talk to about this. John, good to see you. Hey, ali. First of all, people sort of forget that as much as folks like reagans tax cuts, much of it was undone through the course of, you know, some of it was undone through the course of his presidency. Its not he just had this big cut and that was left for all of posterity. Thats right. He had an initial cut taking the top rate down from 70 to 50 when he came into office. Then tax reform took it down to 50 to 28 . But then of course it crept back up in the years since although some of the base broadening provisions remained. You highlighted the key point at the beginning. President trump said were going to have a massive tax cut. Thats not what reagan did in 1986. This was a tax reform that involved raising the same amount of money for the government, but shifting how you raised it to make the economy more efficient. Thats one of the things that allows you to pull the two parties together. That allowed you to get bill bradley and jack kemp together on the page. Because economists agreed at that time lower rates, broader base, is a better way to go. Jack kemp, republican, that was part of the secret sauce back in 1986 in the early 80s. There was bipartisan support. There are tax cuts to individuals with an equivalent tax high to cooperations. And there were, you know, laborers were taxed lower than shareholders were. There was at least some semblance that regular folks were getting much easier to sell to the American People<\/a> than the current plan. And thats even discounting the idea that Ronald Reagan<\/a> was in 60s in approval. Donald trump is down in the 40s. In this case, youve got a tax plan that according to the Tax Policy Center<\/a> raises taxes on individuals overall although wealthy people get a big tax cut. That is difficult to defend well, economists dont buy the administrations argument so far. In fact, theres a Bush Administration<\/a> economist who runs the penn wharton model who says this will shrink growth in the long run. What about the impact on deficits . Steve mnuchin says it will raise so much money from Economic Activity<\/a> that itll bring deficits down. Most economists dont believe that. That even supply ciders think that in the mean that tax cuts can only pay for maybe half of themselves on the corporate side. Part of it, john, is you cant draw a Straight Line<\/a> between tax cuts and a boom in gdp growth. It could contribute to an increase in gdp growth, but we are in a much more Global Economy<\/a> than we were in 1986. So the line is less direct. There are things that can cause the economy to boom. And there are things that can cause the economy to crater that may have nothing to do with any kind of fiscal policy to put in place. Absolutely right. Bill clinton raised taxes and the economy boomed after that happened. The economy continued to approve. Jobs grew. After barack obama raised taxes in that fiscal cliff deal. Youve also got a big dispute over the questions about whats going to happen with that money that comes back to the United States<\/a>. The administration says, oh, that moneys going to be invested and go to workers in higher wages. But when they had a repatriation holiday when they brought cash back, american multinational corporations did in 2004, where did that money go . It went to shareholders, not to workers. Right. And im not i dont want to paint this the wrong way. Companies can do what they want. But gary cohn had said because President Trump<\/a> kept talking how this was going to increase Household Income<\/a> by 4,000. Gary cohn finally explained this on tv yesterday saying companies, that will be the average per worker benefit that companies get. Obviously theyre going to give that to workers. Again, im not faulting companies for not doing it, but thats not what Companies Generally<\/a> do when they show up with extra money they got from not paying taxes. If it goes anywhere, its goes to shareholders. Exactly right. Gary cohn was asked about that at a White House Briefing<\/a> and was asked, well, if the money goes back to shareholders and buybacks and that sort of thing and dividends, is that okay with you . And he said, yeah, thats fine because those people will then put the money back into the economy. That is a trickle down argument. Doesnt always work. Some people believe that, but thats not exactly what history shows us. The track record for that is not great. John, good to see you as always. Thanks for the discussion. Cnbcs john harwood. Stand by, everybody. President trumps ethics chief says he is, quote, deeply concerned about the governments leaders. Were going to break that down for you next. Youre watching velshi rhule on msnbc. When a fire is going on, youre not thinking clearly, so they called the Fire Department<\/a> for us. I could hear crackling in the walls. My mind went totally blank. All i remember saying was, my boyfriends beating me and she took it from there. 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Theres more to know. Welcome back tovell ruhle ruhle. They come in on and the officer said he is, quote, deeply concerned that the actions in some in government leadership have harmed perceptions about the importance of ethics and what conduct is and is not permissible, end quote. Joining me now, bloombergs ben brody who reports on government ethics. Ben, thank you for joining me. What does the Government Accountability<\/a> office say . The Accountability Office<\/a> says what the government did do during the transition, and it says the state department was able to help the president on only a couple of phone calls. If you cast your mind back to november, there were a ton of phone calls coming in, and we dont really know, you know, how many of those were secured, how many of those need to be secured. That was one thing. The other thing that the gao report was talking about was the fact that the president did not really consult with the office of government ethics about how to dispose of his businesses, and he was really breaking with the president of some of his forebearers in that. Wasnt the point of the other guy, Walter Schaub<\/a> leaving that job, about the fact that everybodys expectations were this Government Ethics Office<\/a> was not going to be particularly vigilant about this administration. I mean, the white house doesnt really seem to take that offer seriously, anyway. This appears to be correct. There appear to be a lot of sort of records that the white house hasnt necessarily provided. The president sort of took his exemption from some of the ethics laws and just didnt do anything with them, didnt take this advice that was pretty freely given despite the fact he is exempted from those ethics laws. He says, im exempt and i dont want to listen to it, which i think listening to Walter Schaub<\/a> who left the Government Organization<\/a> after a couple months, i think that is part of the big reason he exited. We know there are at least five cabinet officials under investigation right now, scott pruitt, david which i wichilkin zinke. Much of this is about airplane usage. Is that an ethics question thats raised . That is annett ethics quest and they mentioned this is normal for highranking officials to take this travel. In the gao report they are able to say this is within the law for government transitions. They dont say how many people are doing it, how much it cost, necessarily, or what the point of it was, but they made clear this jet travel charter habit sort of started back then. Ben, good to talk to you. Thanks for joining us. Well have special live coverage of President Trump<\/a>s announcement on the iran deal. Stay with us. One more thing i want to do, we got monumental americans. Here on velshi ruhle, weve been introducing you to monumental people. Today i want to introduce you to civil rights activist mary mccloud bethune. They are considering putting a statue of her to replace a confederate general. She was born to parents who had been slaves. She started a school for africanamericans in daytona beach. She became an action figure as a member of Franklin Roosevelts<\/a> socalled black cabinet. She was the only founder of the adviser to five american president s. She died in florida and was known as the first lady of the struggle. When food is good and clean and real, its ok to crave. And with panera catering, theres more to go around. Panera. Food as it should be. Braden so, i was at mom and dads and found this. G cds, baseball cards. Your old magic set . sigh and this wrestling ticket. Which you still owe me for. Seriously . 25 . I didnt even want to go. Ahh, your diary mom says it is totally natural. 25 is nothing. alert beep abracadabra, bro. Pay back a friend day is october 17th. Get the bank of america mobile banking app today. Welcome back to velshi ruhle. Here are the top stories in the last hour. Just now President Trump<\/a> spoke at the religious conservative group. He said he was committed to values and he spoke about many issues on his agenda. He was the first sitting president to address the event. A group of lawmakers are in puerto rico today. The group will tour the remains from irma and maria. Three weeks after maria made landfall, electricity is scarce. Many on the island are still without clean drinking water. That brings it to an end for me. Thank you for watching this hour of velshi ruhle. Ill be back at 3 00 p. M. Eastern. My colleague Stephanie Ruhle<\/a> will join me. Time to hand it over to Andrea Mitchell<\/a> for Andrea Mitchell<\/a> reports. Dismantling the deal. This hour President Trump<\/a> will announce he will no longer certify the iran deal, leaving a crucial decision about whether to reimpose sanctions and officially leave the decision up to congress. In a little while ill be giving a speech on iran, a terrorist nation like few others, and i think youre going to find it very interesting. Health care sabotage . Donald trump going after the Signature Initiative<\/a> of his predecessor, clipping key subsidies for lowcost Health Insurance<\/a> plans, potentially sending premium costs climbing. 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