Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Velshi And Ruhle 2017

MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Velshi And Ruhle December 15, 2017

Worst in history. Extreme bias against this president with members of the team there who were investigating Hillary Clinton at the time. One, two, three. Republicans set to unveil their final version of the bill in just a few hours. It will be the greatest Christmas Present a lot have received. The republican race for tax reform is hitting a roadblock. Unless they can figure out a way to add to the 1,100 figure i wont support the bill. I think nor rubio will be there. Were doing well with the tax run. Federal Communications Commission, the fcc, did something absolutely despicable. The fcc voting along party lines to repeal the socalled Net Neutrality rules designed to keep the internet fair and open. Repealing it could be good for big business but bad for you and i. Big corporations are about to take full control of the internet. Merry christmas, everybody. What is jimmy kimmel who said that about you getting wrong about this . Hes getting everything wrong about it. President trump promising to rebuild the fbi less than two weeks after attacking the bureau, claiming it was in tatters. In his speech at the Fbi National Academy in virginia trump sang the praises of Law Enforcement graduates who had just completed a special program of specialized training and promised to always be a champion for the Nations Police officers. Being a Police Officer is not just a career. Its a calling. And ive seen it. I have so many friends that are Police Officers. So many people in the fbi. These are great, great people. I want to send a message today to those who threaten violence against our police. We will protect those who protect us. And we believe criminals who kill Police Officers should get the death penalty. Moments before the ceremony while speaking to reporters he made news surrounding a russia investigation hinting he wouldnt rule out pardoning mike flynn. I dont want to talk about pardons for Michael Flynn yet. Well see what happens. When you look at whats going on with the fbi and with the Justice Department, people are very, very angry. President trump is one of those people who is very angry. I cant believe he said that, dont want to talk about it yet. Kristen welker, Pete Williams and clint watts, former fbi special agent and Msnbc National Security analyst. Kristen, lets start with you. The president does this. He walks over to wherever hes going and stops to talk to reporters and says a lot of things. Im not ready to talk about a pardon for Michael Flynn yet. Reporter no doubt about that. I asked him when he found out that mike flynn lied to the fbi he said you know the answer to that question. How many times are you going to ask me that question . The first time i ever asked him that question, and we dont know the answer to that question because the white house and his lawyers wont say. So in addition to that major headline, the fact hes not ruling out a pardon for flynn, thats still a critical piece of information not only is the press trying to drill down on but undoubtedly investigators are as well. He made news on ray moore, that ray moore should concede after losing that seat in alabama. Then he was pressed on the fbi. The president , the white house have been critical of the fbi in the wake of revelations that a top official there was fired after Text Messages were found that were critical of President Trump. So they say there are conflicts of interest within the fbi. Kind of created a tense backdrop to the remarks he was giving today. He was asked, though, before leaving does he still think the fbi is in tatters . Take a listen to how he responded to that. Well, its a shame whats happened with the fbi. Were going to rebuild it to be bigger and better than ever. Its sad when you look at the documents, and how theyve done that is disgraceful. You have a lot of angry people seeing it. Its a very sad thing to watch, i will tell you that. And im going today on behalf of the fbi their new building. Everybody, not me everybody, the level of anger at what theyve been witnessing with respect to the fbi is certainly very sad. Reporter now as for the president s remarks at quantico, i heard you talking about this with hallie, some of them were reminiscent of campaignstyle remarks. Not only did he mischaracterize the visa lottery program, like its a lottery when its a vigorous screening process. Crime in chicago, what the hell is going on in chicago, a lot of people remember thats a similar phrase he would use out on the campaign trail. He did have high praise, though, for the Law Enforcement community while giving those remarks at quantico. Back to you. The questions he took when he spoke to you and other reporters, was that scheduled, was it planned . Because when i sat there and watched in real time, it seemed like it was unforced error after unforced error, and whether i was on trumps legal team or senior white house staffer on basically the eve of getting tax reform which would be a tremendous win for the president , why would he put himself out there and at the very least say things untrue on one hand and other things that leave him exposed and vulnerable . Reporter steph, the background to him talking to reporters, this is something President Trump has been doing with more frequency. He often will stop and answer questions on a whole range of topics. Today was one of those moments. Tax reform is probably one of the reasons he wanted to stop. He struck a note of confidence. We pressed him over and over again if he would get marco rubio onboard. Hes a no vote until they add more money to the Child Tax Credit. I put that question to the president squarely, will he be open to increasing the Child Tax Credit. He said, yes, he will be. That is a significant headline when it comes to tax reform. That is the key focus. He also said day the Child Tax Credit increases and democrats never do anything for children when we all know that the Childrens Health insurance program, im not even going to say its on life support, is no longer being funded and republicans are saying we dont have the money. So the president clearly exposed himself there when he didnt need to. Reporter right. I think as you pointed out, steph, these exchanges were having now with more frequency on the south lawn, the president is freewheeling to some extent. That was yet another example perhaps of that. Again, i think he sees it as a chance to push his agenda and right now that is taking aim clearly at the fbi what he has said have been conflicts of interest, vowing to rebuild it, and then again striking that very confident note on tax reform with republicans set to unveil what they hope will be their final version this evening. Clint, i want to bring you in. We talk about National Security issues. But lets talk about the fbi. You spent time in the fbi. Every former fbi and current fbi agent ive spoken to in the last week or so is of one voice. As an agency it may have issues it deals with on an ongoing basis. To say the fbi is in tatters and in need after rebuild is not only incorrect but a lot of people felt highly inappropriate for the president to be commenting on the fbi in that fashion. For sure. Hes degrading the integrity of a u. S. Institution which is going out and trying to execute the Justice Program he laid out in a speech. You want fbi agents to go into trumpsupporting areas and do investigations, find leads, get tips. When he talks about making the fbi bigger and better, guess who was picked to do that, mueller. Right after 9 11, he kept the fbi together. They were talking about breaking it into two pieces. Mueller did it so well that he was actually asked to stay by a democratic president to stay longer. Back then there were issues with intelligence gathering, real structural issues in our Law Enforcement agencies that needed to be repaired. That still wasnt about agents. That wasnt about the men and women who put their lives on the line every day who most americans dont know of ever. And it also puts a divide between the state and local Law Enforcement. The whole part of the nexus, how we take down ms13 is to build confidence not to degrade them. I cant even put my finger on why he would ever do this. Its perplexing to hear the president say were going to rebuild it and make it bigger and better. With what money . Budgets across the board slashed, look at the state department, what mulvaney is doing. How that audience received the president s remarks because the president does consider himself the law and order guy yet he has pretty extraordinary overreach and anger when he realizes whats out of his, call it, jurisdiction. Reporter i think the audience was receptive to the president s remarks when it came to supporting local Law Enforcement. They have tried to draw a line between the policies of the Justice Department and this one on pattern and practice investigations, allegations that Police Officers are violating civil rights. The attorney general said this Justice Department will pursue those less aggressively because they make it harder for local police to do their jobs. The message of sanctuaries cities have been more controversial. Some local police saying that its good policing not to carry out federal immigration enforce many. Some agreeing with the Justice Department. In terms of the president s comments about the fbi i think hes trying to draw a distinction between what he sees as the leadership of the fbi under james comey. And now were going to change things and things will be better. It did seem he was trying to thread the needle. Obviously very strongly supportive. Is there any truth to a number of references he made to anger, everybody is angry at the fbi. Do we know thats true . Anger, so much anger. I took that to mean anger about the recent disclosure of the Text Messages between the fbi agent who was working on the clinton email and the russia investigation and a senior fbi lawyer saying that caused considerable anger. Of course when Robert Mueller found out about the texts in july, he relieved that agent of his responsibility for the russia investigation. Thats what i took that to mean. Obviously its an embarrassment for the bureau. Clint, to petes point the president is trying to draw a distinction between the fbi and the fbi under james comey, when we saw chris wright speak, he wasnt singing the same tune the president is at all. About the fbi being in tatters. So he may be drawing a line, but chris is not. The strategy will be lost on the public. They will not make that distinction. The people running the fbi right now were the deputies to muellers deputies. They all move up the chain, and theyve all been there a long time. Theres a long history and career. They are competent people who have worked their entire lives in this organization. Theyre not going to waste it on political partisanship. They dont have time for it. I cant recall any time in the military the intelligence community, the fbi any organization where people stopped and said, well, how would this play in terms of democrat republican . They march forward. They have a mission. Nobody talks about the structure, not really a conversation we have. It could be devastating to the republican party. Youre talking about a more conservative leaning organization, and so if you keep pushing this especially from congress, youre going to have a lot of conservative, former fbi members, retirees or people saying what am i listening to here . Why are my core values being split away. Thanks very much to all of you. Stand by, everyone. The tax bill may be hitting a snag. At least three republican senators are holding back support. But negotiators are trying to win one of them back by increasing the Child Tax Credit. Heres the issue, how are you going to pay for it . And were going to call out broken promises in the bill like it wont benefit the wealthy. And speaking of people who would benefit from the tax bill, ivanka trump opened her first retail store in her fathers lobby in trump tower. 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Two other republican senators john mccain and cochrane could be absent because theyre suffering health problems. Senator mccain is hospitalized to deal with side effects of his treatment for brain cancer. Despite all of that President Trump was optimistic this morning. I think were doing very well on the tax. Its something that will be monumental. Have you seen the final tax bill . Ive seen it. I think its going to do very well and we will be in a position to pass something as early as next week which will be monumental. Joining us live from capitol hill, garrett, walk us through first, the late change that could win marco rubio over. Reporter marco rubio had been the late addition as a holdout. He said yesterday he would vote no unless the righters increased the refundability of the Child Tax Credit. Generally speaking to add to the amount of money people could be able to get back in their refunds from this Child Tax Credit as lawmakers have been coming in to review the final copy, we heard from one of the lawmakers they have indeed added a couple hundred dollars to the refundability of this and are hopeful thats going to be enough to sway marco rubio and get him to vote yes. Rubios office has told nbc theyre waiting to see the final language here. This is the tax bill writers trying to come up with a compromise to keep everybody onboard. You raise a great question. Weve been hearing about all the compromises, gifts in this bill, the good stuff, the things people want, lowering additional rates. We have not heard much about how thats going to be paid for. Most likely will be sliding around some of the start and end dates for the cuts. We already know the cuts to the individual tax rates are set to expire in a couple of years. Theyre playing the game to keep the price tag down. Its very complicated. Theres congressional math involved that they cant go over a certain deficit increase. You just tweeted provisions removed from final tax bill per hill sources familiar with it, student loan deduction removal, medical expense, Johnson Amendment repeal, fetal personhood language. What does that mean . Higher ed tuition waiver tax, is that good for people who get the Higher Education waiver or bad . Im not sure which one were talking about. Its good for graduate students. It treated waivers for graduate students as taxable. If you get a 50,000 tuition waiver on 100,000 tuition, 100,000 would be taxable. This is good news. Weve gone in this direction and weve taken out the student loan deduction. People who lost the ability to deduct medical bills in an earlier version of the bill will now get the ability to deduct the high medical expenses . Income threshold will fall from 10 to 7. 5 so a larger number of families will have access. How are they going to pay for that . Thats good news. Reporter its a great question. We dont know the answer to that. As garrett mentioned there will be some changing of the start and end dates there and then some discussion of potentially setting income individual income tax cuts earlier. Theyre monkeying around with the minimum tax on the corporate side and individual side. I think we could be in for some surprises here in terms of how they fit this in the 1. 5 trillion deficit bobbing. Are they concerned with the projections . When you look at the analysis Steve Mnuchins team put out this is it, the one page, says virtually nothing. Lets be fair, its a summary, not an Economic Analysis. It is not any sort of

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