Negotiating session. Ill take the heat. I dont care. Ill take all the heat you want to give me. The president taking range of contradictory positions. You need to be clear. When we talk about just daca. We dont want to be back here two years later. You have to have security. I think my positions are going to be what the people in the room come up with. We dont need a 2,000 mile wall. You dont need rivers and mountains. You want 18 billion for a wall or else it will be no daca. Is that still your position . I can build it for less. Part of that was a push back against all the chatter from the book about his mental capacity to lead but even the story from the day before about the executive time. The very thing he was trying to prover, he disproves. Is trump actually messes up on this, hes done more damage to himself than anyone else can do to him. First impressions of that meeting yesterday is flat out betrayal for the voters that put him in office. I voted for him for immigration and only immigration. They say the United States has failed to learn its lessons from 2016. The mid terms, the next round of elections, the next opportunity for russians to med meddle, so close. Senator Diane Finestein defied republicans yesterday. I think people are entitled to know what was said. I see no problem with releasing it. Spokesman for chairman grassley said it totally confounding. Senator grassley said you jeopardized their ability to get certain witnesses like kushner. Your reaction . I dont think so. Thats been difficult in any event. I think she did the smart thing which is just throw the whole transcript out there and let people see it. All right. Welcome to velshi and ruhle. President trump assembling his cabinet for the first time in 2018. Will it be open like yesterday . Well bring it to you as soon as it happens. Lets start with a new legal defeat for the Trump Administration and a California Court ruling that the Administration Must maintain the daca program nationwide saying the order was improper. Daca which protects about 700,000 undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children was scheduled to end by march 5th by attorney general jeff sessions. Tuesday ease night ruling found that ending the program before Legal Options were exhausted would cause harm to those enrolled. The president shows the ruling shows how broken and unfair our court system is when the Opposing Side in case always runs to the 9th scircuit and almost always wins. Tuesday afternoon the president seemed to be more in sync with democrats. What about a clean daca bill now . I have no problem i think thats what dick is saying. Were going to do daca and start immediately on the phase two which would be comprehensive. Would you be agreeable to that . I think we have to do daca first. You need to be clear. What senator finestein, we dont want to be back here two years later. You have to have security as the secretary would tell you. I think thats what she is saying. No. What do you think im saying . I think youre saying daca without security. All right. Smaller group of bipartisan congressional leaders will meet with Administration Officials today to continue discussions. You can see that jeff flake is going to be saying they are getting close to a deal. Joining me is jeff denim. Congressman good to see you. Thank you for being with us. Thank you. Thanks for having me. You said the government asked these young men and women to come out of shadows. They passed background check, opened bank account, gotten job, enrolled in our university, all positive contributions to our society. To target them now is wrong. Youre a republican and pretty conservative on most things. Why do you take this view on dreamers at odds with my of your fellow republicans . Theyve done what the government has asked them to do. Sthap e sthaped up and passed our background checks. Theyre part of our economy. Having these dreamers have jobs and a commitment to the only country they know and love is something we have to resolve and not through executive order, not through the courts but legislatively congress has to do its job. The senators are saying, the senators are saying they are prepared to move ahead with Something Like this in the senate. They are worried about the house not being able to. Whats your sense of opposition to daca legislation, doing it in right way in the house . Very positive. I think were going to get it done. I think this is something that will have a resolution in both houses. Were moving forward in the house as well. We want to see our Senate Counter parts do the same thing. Were doing bipartisan negotiations and making sure this has a large number of republicans as well. Ultimately this will be both parties working together. Just this morning, a group that i cochair, main street, we had over 80 members and we agreed to a set of principles there as well. We want a permanent fix. Right. I dont think youll get too much disagreement by those who want the dreamers to stay that a permanent fix makes more sense than a president ial order. Theres more than a quarter of dreamers are in california. About 10,000 in your district alone. You talked about how their economic contributors. That may be your strongest argument among fellow republicans. I think the strongest argument is just the right thing to do. We have never penalized kids for the deeds of their parents. This is something that just the right thing to do. These kids know of no other home. They have graduated from high school along side our kids. Its the right thing to do is the Biggest Issue that should bring republicans and democrats together but just on the economy, the Economic Impacts of this. If you look another the statistics, we have strong facts that show these dreamers are not only working but also going to school and contributing back to our local economies. Good to see you. Thank you for joining us. Good to see you. Were going to get it done. Jeff denim is a republican from californias 10th district. Another moment of note came in a comment the president made about bipartisan. Lets listen to one of candidate trumps favorite talking points. Its time to drain the swamp in washington, d. C. Its time to drain the swamp of corruption in washington, d. C. And were going to do it. Its time to drain the swamp in washington, d. C. That was pretty clear. Yesterday the president seemed to call for return of something that many viewers, many people view as one of the swampiest parts of congressional deals. In our system lends itself to not getting things done. I hear so much about earmarks. The old earmark system how there was a great friendliness when you had earmarks but they had other problems with earmarks. Maybe all of you should think about going back to a form of earmarks. This system no. You can see that got quite a reaction. Its a term youve likely hard or heard of this one, pork barrel spending. They are basically the same thing. Congress works on a bill usually an appropriations measure which means something that requires spending. A member of Congress Adds an earmark or pork to that bill. The earmark many times has nothing to do with the original legislation or maybe its related but it just funnels money to bloated pet projects usually in a Congress Members district. President trump says it was way to grease the wheels for compromise. Critics say it was ripe with construction and waste. For close votes on bill, opposing politicians could be given special earmarks that sent federal tlar tladollars to thei state or district. It could Fund Anything from defense contracts to bloated construction projects. Lets take a look at a few of them. Earmarks plopped into a defense apropuati appropriations bill. Another one started as a transportation treasury and hud appropriations bill that ended up including half a Million Dollars for the Sparta Teapot Museum in North Carolina which is just what it sounds like. Its a museum of teapots. Then talked into the american reinvestment and recovery act, some will know that as the stimulus act. More than 3 million to build a tunnel under a florida highway for turtles to use. In 2011 an unlikely pair moved to stamp out earmarks once and for all. President obama and the republican majority in the house pushed harry reid to end the practice. Earmarks largely seen a thing of the past. That is until President Trump brought it up yesterday and suggested it as way to find a deal on daca and the border wall. Joining me now live from capitol hill is msnbc garrett. Is there anything to this . Are members of congress likely to say, look, the one benefit of earmarks in the legislative process as distasteful as it seems to people is its way to get a deal done. Reporter yeah, absolutely. There are some discussions going on about this on capitol hill but there are discussions about a lot of issues that dont necessarily go anywhere. There is some interest among some of these old School Lawmakers who know this has been way to grease the skids. A way to bring people along on bills they may not otherwise want to support. That being said, you dont need earmarks to do that. Think of the special projects and special cut outs and set asides that we talked about when the tax bill was working its way through. You dont have to do this through earmarks. Im hearing a bit of a divide based on some part of when they got to this body about whether they would be willing to see this come back for perhaps the good of some old school deal making or whether this is just another way to add a bunch of money to the deficit and make the swamp that much swampier. Well see how this plays out. I dont sense any huge momentum for it. Whats going on with the bipartisan discussions to get a deal on immigration. I saw you say they could be nearing a deal. Reporter thats right. Let me play you some jeff flake sound. Lets hear from jeff flake then ill tell you what i know. We dont have it. Never mind. I talked to jeff flake a few minutes ago and he said they are very close to getting a deal. Very close could mean a lot of things. We werent able to hammer out the specifics in the short period of time i talked to him. Theres a lot of conversations going on at the Different Levels sort of the number two republican of the house and senate have been having some conversations. Theres this Core Working Group of people. On the republican side like flake and Lindsey Graham who really want to see this deal get done. The concern is its easier in this case unlike almost Everything Else we have talked about over the last year to get 60 votes in the senate for this than it will be to get the numbers in the house. The Senate Working very quickly to get something tone here. Then they hope they can find a way with the president s help to settle in the house. Daryl issa announcing his retirement from congress saying he wont run again. Reporter thats right. Southern California Republican has been here a long time. Won a very, very, very, very, very close reelection in 2016. I think his is one of the last races in the country to be decided the margin was so tight. Seeing the writing on the wall. We havent heard the specifics from his office but he would be the second southern California Republican to announce his retirement from Congress Just within this new year. The landscape in california is extraordinarily difficult for republicans. It was going to be any way. A state that Hillary Clinton carried with huge margins. The passing of this tax deal which is going to have some negative impacts for californians who cant deduct their state and local taxes in a very high tax state. Issa fought that. He lost. He was going to have a difficult time getting reelected. There are democrats lined up around the block to run for this seat and some other seats in a californ california. They see this as fertile grounds. Democrats will have to win some of these seats in Southern California. Coming up, russia meddled in the 2016 election but were still waiting for action to stop it from happening again. Thats accordtoloing to brand n report. 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All the talking about it we have a fundamental problem and that is the russians are involved in our elections and other peoples elections on an ongoing basis. I think thats well put. The law here is its a crime to interfere in the elections if it is a conspiracy or involves hacking or involves intrusions. Bloomberg reported there were over 20 some states with these intrusions. Theres a whole law enforcement, National Security and International Component to that. These reports do show the politics as well which is that thing i just said which in any other year wouldnt be political has become so tinged by the russia probe and the president s response that it takes democrats to say things that are really about National Security. I dont think the Democrat Party stands to benefit or not if theres an intrusion. It all depends on what the intrusion is and whos intruding. The president has tweeted a few times this morning. I want to talk about one in which he talks about a which hunt. Im going to bring ken into this as well. The president tweeted the single greatest witch hunt in American History continues. There was no collusion. Republicans should finally take control. Ken, at some point the problem with the president continuing down this line is that it ignores the fundamental matter that ari was just talking about that theres been efforts to intrudes into the election and as long as we continue to tie it to collusion and proof of collusion were not if i cfixin underlying problem of our attack on our democracy. Thats exactly right. If donald trump cant separate the two things. He can say i didnt collude but we know the Intelligence Community hold us russia has attacks not only us but elections across europe. This lays out a hybrid warfare by the russian Intelligence Community to destabilize democracies around the world. Its really sophisticated and were not doing anything to defend ourselves against it. Thats what this report lays out in stark detail. President trump is squandering an opportunity to be a leader on this. Theres many steps the government can take working with special media companies. The report recommends setting up a hybrid Government Agency like the National CounterTerrorism Center to attack this problem. None of that is happening. We know why its not happening. Donald trumps advisors are afraid to broach this subject with him. That goes to another important point in the tweet. Theres a bit of a revelation there. Donald trump is not saying we need to get this done or these investigations will exonerate me because the facts are on my side. Hes saying quote, today, republicans need to take control. Theres not a republican or democratic version of factual justice. Either theres a conspiracy or there wasnt. If there wasnt, bob mueller who is in control of the probe and a republican, if he doesnt find the evidence, he wont go further. Some of that goes to a lack after patience that donald trump has. I dont know if you listen to the rapper future. Im like a bad doctor. I aint got no patients. Sometimes theres a lack of patience here. If the white house believes as ive reported their lawyers say the facts will exonerate donald trump, let the investigations finish up. The problem is it continues to speak to or