Thats shooting at the location. All six people shot, four killed, including 20yearold joe perez and 23yearold akeilh dasilva. I could only think of my brother when i was hiding. James shaw, jr. Confronted the gunman and took his rifle. I thought, hes going to get us either way, or get me either way, so i was looking for an opportunity, waiting for a chance. When i saw the barrel down, i just saw my opportunity. I attacked. No doubt, he saved many lives by wrestling the gun away. This is the president s huge Foreign Policy week. Just a few hours from now, he will welcome french president emanual macromacron. Later this week, hell host angela merkel. Theyll discuss everything from syria to trade wars, with macron expected to press President Trump not to pull out of the iran nuclear deal. New developments surrounding north korea and august jsuggest leader there is taking the american president for a ride. Wow, we havent given up anything, and they have agreed to denuclearization. So great for world. North korea hasnt agreed to denuclearize. Were not going to stop pressure until they denuclearize. He views having deliverable Nuclear Weapons as his ticket to dying as an old man in his bed. Desperate manhunt intensifies for travis reinking, who remains at large and possibly armed. He is the alleged gunman who opened fire at a waffle house restaurant in knoxville, tennessee. Killing taurean sanderlin, an employee of the restaurant. Deebony groves, joe perez and akilah dasilva. Also, wounding wagner and harrison. The shooting fled the scene after this hero, james shaw, jr. , heroically wrestled the assault rifle, the ar15, out of this mans hands. He appeared on the today show this morning to share his extraordinary story. I held the gun down, i think, with my left hand. I think i was maybe punching or hitting or whatever i was doing with my right hand. Once he released it, he had it, at one point in time, in one hand, then when he had it in one hand, i just took it from him. With both my hands, i took it and threw it over the countertop. Can you believe that . This guy could have been hiding in the bathroom. Heros. We should note, mr. Shaw has set up a gofundme page to help the families of the victims. Local Police Believe reinking may have been last seen travel in the woods behind his apartment complex. One of his guns remains unaccounted for. We have to remember, he went to the waffle house only wearing a jacket. Its raining there. The National Police department confirmed there have been no credible sightings of reinking since the shooting. Were joined now by david briley, the mayor of nashville. Mayor briley, what is the latest in the investigation . Well, as of this morning, the police and federal authorities and state authorities are still out there searching for him. No real updates in terms of where he is or where they think he might be. Its a pretty wooded area out there, close to the apartment complex where he was living. It could take some time to locate him out there in the vicinity. No real updates beyond that. This is an awful situation. You know, we say over and over, if you see something, say something. People did time and again. This young man has a history. Lets look at gun control in the state of tennessee. There is no permit to purchase rifles, shotguns or handguns. No registration of rifles, shotguns or handguns. No licensing of owners of rifles, shotguns or handguns. No permits to carry rifles, shotgun shoand even when this young mans weapons were taken away, they were given to his dad who said, ill make sure they wont get in his hands. You support common sense gun control. What should we take from this . First, clearly, this person had a history of some sort of Mental Illness or mental disease that warranted taking the guns away at some point. Thats going to happen. We need to focus on that as a country and make sure were doing everything to help people with Mental Illness. But its especially important to think about this particular weapon. Its a weapon where intense damage can be inflicted. Much more damage than with a handgun. I just came from the trauma unit where mr. Shaw and i met with the two surviving young women. Just to see the pain in their face, the worry of their families that were there with them is really, you know, something that should move everybody in our country to take a hard look at what were doing. Brave move by mr. Shaw himself, wrestling the guy down with the ar15, tossing the ar15 away. I mean, that is the one bright take away from this. Right. Weve been trying to figure out something to be to smile about in this context. Mr. Shaw is truly it. Hes a really humble guy who put his life on the line in a moment. He downplays how important he is. Without him and his courage and quick action, a lot more people would have died. True. Hes a fine young man. Were going to do everything we can to help him over the coming days. Beyond knowing mr. Reinking has a history with Mental Illness, any clues as to a specific motive here . Theres no clue at all at this point in time. It seems to be, essentially, random. Thats all we know at this point in time. No indication of any motive whatsoever. So connection . He didnt know the people in the waffle house . No. Not clear if hed ever been there. Didnt know the people in the waffle house, as far as we know. It seems like a deeply troubled person. As long as we have all these weapons floating around out there that are so capable of this kind of destruction, i think we can count on people continuing to get these weapons who have a Mental Illness. Thats the tragedy. In my opinion, it threatens the way we live. Weve got to do something to change this. To that point, you know, everything you just said makes complete sense to us. You tweeted out yesterday, lets be honest about what happened. The citizens of nashville were terrorized by a man with an ar15. Enough is enough. I completely understand and appreciate that sentiment. Given you are in the state of tennessee, the laws there what can i do . Is there anything you can really do to help your people be safer . Do they want to be, given how they vote . Well, here in davison county, in nashville, we are not quite in line with the rest of the state. Were much more progressive in location than the rest of the state. The people in my city are in favor, i believe, of reasonable regulation of guns. Can you do that on a city basis . We cant do it on a city basis. All i can do is speak out. Point out the insanity, frankly, of some of the regulations or lack of regulations our country has. It is not just a tennessee issue. The shooter came from illinois. He had gotten his guns back from his dad there. This is something that really requires the federal government to step up and do some stuff to protect the way of life we have in our country. As long as people are afraid to show up at a waffle house because they might be shot in the middle of the night, theres a real threat to the way we live in our country. Its time for people in washington to really step up and do something about it. Enough is enough. Or a church last year. Or a movie theater. These are people just living their everyday lives. The thing i have to ask you, ali, even for those who are gun enthusiasts, we should want gun enthusiasts to want to feel safe. Every responsible gun owner in this country should want gun laws that dont make responsible gun owners look bad. That honor the fact that people can have a Second Amendment and be responsible about it. You know what else, ali . Mr. Reinking, the shooter here, if this man is a if he does suffer from Mental Illness, lets protect him. Right. Mayor, thanks for joining us. Well stay on top of this with you. Mayor briley of nashville. Thank you. For more, were joined by our colleague, gabe gutierrez, nbc correspondent, who is on the scene. Gabe, whats the feeling on the ground there . I mean, this guy is still on the loose. Reporter yeah. Hi, stephanie. Good morning. Police right now are conducting doortodoor search in a nearby neighborhood. As the mayor mentioned, this is an urgent manhunt. Had been hampered by the rough weather weve had the last couple hours. Thankfully, the rain tapered off a little in the last hour or so. I can also tell you, stephanie, that many schools here in the area are on alert. They are not on lockdown, but they are operating with lockout procedures. Meaning any visitors to the school cant get in easily during the school day. This is very much a community on edge. I want to bring in jim cavanaugh, the msnbc Law Enforcement analyst. Good to see you in person. I usually see you through a satellite feed. Youve been watching this. Tell me a little bit about what is going through the minds of Law Enforcement right now. They havent had a credible sighting of the suspected gunman in more than 24 hours. What could it mean . He could have dead in the woods. Could have killed himself with the pistol hes got. It happens in these things, especially with this guy who was naked when he was running around doing the murders. Thats possible. Could be laying low out there, trying to ambush Law Enforcement officer or citizen. Thats a possibility. Could have carjacked somebody. The police are attuned to that. Are there reports of anybody missing, their vehicle . Could be in a home and holding the family hostage or has killed them. Thats what theyre trying to deal with. Reporter theres certainly a lot of Law Enforcement agents out there. Dozens searching through woods. We saw a few of them leave the staging area, as well. I want to ask you about the situation with the guns being taken away in illinois. After his white house arrest, this gunman had these guns taken away from him and they were given to his father, who told investigators he gave the guns back to his son. Yeah. Reporter right now, it is unclear whether it was illegal for him to have the guns in illinois. You heard the mayor describe some of the laws. How unusual is it to have this situation, where guns may have been returned, you know. His gun carrying card was taken from him in illinois, yet, he managed to get the guns across state lines. The law is weak. If you look at these events, heres another one, and this is my personal assessment of over 40 years as a federal agent. The tragedy triangle. There is a Mental Health issue. Theres some troubled person. Firearms. Contact with the police. The triangle is completed at the white house. We have a troubled person. Hes got the ar15 and other weapons. He has contact with uniform division of the secret service. The triangle is complete. The police cant do anything because the laws are so weak. Heres a man who can travel across the country. Hes troubled. He claims he is an antigovernment sovereign. We cannot take an ar15 from him. They should have been able to do that. Reporter thank you very much, jim cavanaugh. Msnbc Law Enforcement analyst. Thank you for joining us. Ali and stephanie, the two victims who were in the hospital, were in critical condition, they have been upgraded to stable. Back to you. That is good news. Thank you, gabe gutierrez, joining us from the scene. This tragic shooting was simply the latest to feature an assault weapon. Lets, one again, take a look at precisely what these weapons are and the damage they can do. What exactly is an assault weapon . The definition varies. Usually includes semiautomatic rifles, pistols and shotguns with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip. It sometimes includes other feature features, such as a flash suppresser, which reduces the flash from when a bullet entexi the gun. The Firearm Trade Association says americans own between 20 and 30 million assault style rifles. The most popular weapon is, in fact, the ar15. It is owned by more than 10 million americans. What does this cost . They generally start at about 600. Whats especially troubling, the damage an ar15 bullet can inflict, they travel at such high velocity, three times faster than a handgun bullet, with more than three times the energy. As one doctor wrote following the parkland shooting, ar15s leave pierced organs looking like an overripe melon smashed by a sledgehammer. Leaving exit wounds that can be the size of an orange. Please think about that. Were going to continue to follow this story and the news on where the gunman is. President trump is tweeting now that north korea agreed to denuclearize. Heres the thing, it happens. Up next, where negotiations actually stand, as were weeks from a potential facetoface between President Trump and kim jongun. And it is earning season. This week, were going to be getting numbers from major tech giants. Alphabet, the Parent Company of google. Twitter, qualcomm, intel, facebook, microsoft and amazon. The big ones. Also, First Quarter earnings from ford, gm and fiat chrysler. Well bring you major developments. The dow up a bit on the day. Remember, friday was a little shakier. More concerns about north korea. Sort of the word of the president at least saying denuclearization could be on the table has the markets a bit more calm this morning. Youre watching velshi ruhle live on mississipsnbc. Well be right back. Over. Under. Hey whoa, pop, pop. Your shoes untied. Ensure hes well taken care of, even as you build your own plans for retirement. 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In recent days, a hotline has been set up between kim jonguns office in the north and president moon jaeins office in the south. Though there is no date yet for the first phone call between the leaders. On friday, the north announced it would halt missile tests and close a Nuclear Testing facility in preparations for the talks. In a goodwill gesture sunday night, south korea stopped blasting kpop music across the demilitarized zone. Mark short summed up the u. S. Position on denuclearization on sunday with chuck todd. I think there has to be a sitdown conversation to get to that point, but from our perspective, it means full denuclearization. No longer having weapons that can be used in warfare against any of our allies. All right. During the preparations for the planned summit between President Trump and kim jongun, it is important to know how each side defines the end goal of denuclearization. For the United States, its cvid, based on the concept known as complete, verifiable, irreversible, denuclearization of the north. Complete means that pyongyang needs to identify all of its uranium and plutonium enrichment programs. Both of these give it a path to Nuclear Weaponry. Plutonium being the more advanced weapons fuel. Verifiable means the u. S. Well, the u. S. Understanding is it is always involving outside weapons inspectors. Could be the United Nations or officials from the iaea, International Atomic energy agency. Any inspections would require trust that the north korean regime isnt still hiding weapons or production faciliti s facilities. Sometimes that includes surprise visits so they cant hide stuff. Irreversible means total dismantlement of the countrys Nuclear Energy program to prevent any future foray into Nuclear Weapons testing. It is not clear if the Ballistic Missile program would be part of the cvid. These are part of the issues that need to be worked out before a meeting between the regime and the u. S. President. And complicating things, the president insisted that the north koreans agreed to denuclearization. But they didnt agree to it. They just agreed to parts of things. Were going to be talking about that. The north is looking for denuclearization of the entire peninsula, the entire korean peninsula. Since the u. S. Hasnt stationed weapons in south korea since the cold war, despite a drop in demand for the condition of the talks, the north likely still sees any American Military presence in the south as a nuclear threat. Meaning, the administration might be facing a choice between peace and more than half a century of a defense posture in asia. Joining us now is nbc news military analyst, retired army official, Major General robert ska scales, former commandant of the army college. Thank you for being with us. Hi, ali. Good to be back. We described this. What did it mean to you when you heard that the north had agreed to stop certain testing and potentially agreeing to denuclearization . Not much, ali. The bottom line is, the legitimacy of the north korean regime today is defined by owning Nuclear Weapons. I think the best that we could hope for in the coming talks is to limit the expansion of Nuclear Weapons and to have some verifiable means of reducing the probability that the north koreans can deliver a Nuclear Weapon against the United States. Nuclear weapons and the Delivery Systems for Nuclear Weapons are simply baked