And christianity today. Congress approved funding for research of gun safety for the first time in decades. How this could be a major safety for gun safety advocates. 6 and the new starlighter just failed its test. President trump is lashing out after calls for removal of his office. Billy graham blasted the president for his actions saying the president of the United States attempted to use his political power to coerce a foreign leader to discredit one of the president s political opponent, it is profoundly immoral. The editorial goes on, this president dumb downed the idea of morality in his administration. Hes hired and fired a number of people who are now convicted criminals. He has himself admitted to moral actions in business and relationships with women about which he remains proud. His twitter feed alone with a string of mischaracterizations and lies and slander is a near perfect example of a human being whos morally lost and confused. I adds t it adds, the impeachment hearing, this damaged the institution of the presidency, damaged the representation of the country and the spirit and the future of our people. None of the president s positives can balance the moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character. It is time to call, to say no matter hands we win in this political game, we are playing with a stacked deck. Just when we think it is time to push all our chips to the center of the table, thats when the whole game will come crashing down. Joining me now,christianity, the editorial. Ma mark, thank you for joining us, strong words for the president. You spoke out then. Researchers found that 81 of evangelicals still voted for him. Whats different about now . Well, what is different about now is the impeachment hearings probably. It is true that his record of tweets and his choice of working for some months or years, it had been my judgment that dealing with donald trump is like a woman whos married to a man whos verbally abusive, hes a great provider and a good father and his children. She weighs that in the balance and says i can deal with that. Then the husband turns physically violent and all of a sudden, the balancing does not make any sense. The wisest thing to do is not to balance the book to say the one hand or another but to have it leave the home. For donald trump of the longest time there is a reasonable case to make. Hes done some good thing for prolife. Hes done good things for religious freedom. A lot of my conservative friends continue to support him for those reasons. We dont like his behaviors and morals but hes doing balancing things. It is my judgment in the last couple of weeks that balancing no longer works. What we are talking about now, someone or one may say or continue the analogy of morally abusive in a dangerous way. The scales dont work anymore and it is time for him to leave the house. You said something to your conservative friends. The president tweeted this in response to your editorial. A far left magazine or progressive that some would call it which has been doing poorly and had not been involved with the family for years. Christianity knows nothing about reading a perfect stript of a routine phone call. Do you believe donald trump had done anything good . We try to picture ourselves as center and we have center left and right readers. And so thats just a simple misunderstanding of what we are about. He seems to imply that we are a political magazine primarily, we rarely comment on things political unless the moral states are raised very high. There were something said in the intro of your show shows some of the comments in america. Christianity today is a magazine of the evangelicals, all evangelicals in america must subscribe to it and look to it. The fact that it is not true. Theyre people who we share a faith with and profoundly and impressive people in terms of the types of things they do in their community. They all subscribe to christianity. We dont represent them, we are leadership. When we are talking about evangelicals, we do have to do a little more discussion or division about which types of evangelicals and who are you talking about exactly . You got a warning for Trump Supporters and you write to many of the evangelicals, we may say this, remember who you are and whom you serve. Consider what an unbelievable world it would say. Let me ask you this, mark, are you worried about how evangelicals, i think you make a valid point. It is a Diverse Group of people. Are you worried of the effect that had members of the evangelical community if they support donald trump . Yeah, i do so because his characters are so blatantly troublesome. And so here we are going to go out in the world and tell people they should support the prolife cause because it is righteous and moral and good thing to do. At the same time, we are blinking or looking the other way when our president is doing things that are not unconstitutional but blatantly immoral. How can we have any credibility on the issues that we find so important or beyond moral issues or social or political issues. We are christians who believe that the highest goal in life is to get one self to jesus christ and serve him. How are they going to take us seriously of that if we are winking at x and words of immorality that everyone seems to recognize of a certain groups of conservatives. It strikes me as an odd situation. I am told your website crashed after this editorial came out. Whats the response been so far . Frankly i am quite surprised. On a normal day we may get 300 or 400 people on our website. After the site is fixed, we are getting 15,000 or 17,000 people on the website. Wow. That means, i touched the nerve that i had not anticipated it was there. We had some angry email a threat or two there. Mostly if i am surprised of the passion with which people have said, thank you, thank you, they run a string of 50 exclamation points, there has been apparently that i am not quite in touch of, a deep passion for someone in the evangelical community to come out and speak this way and a way it is straightforward and not interested bashing my conservative brothers who differ with me on this. One of my jobs is to go online and say no, this is where we are to stand. Not where you are standing. Mark, thank you for joining me to talk to me about this. I appreciate it. Mark galli is the editor and chief of christianity today. Joining me now is joe watkins, pastor of the Lutheran Church who often makes the point that he thinks sometimes is unfair in the media that evangelicals are all lumped together and they are very different in their believes, including you, joe. You remain conservative and had been a conservative and been a republican. So it would not come as a surprise that an evangelical publication would have a view about President Trump, how big of a deal is the fact that this editorial appears in christianity today . It is a big deal. It is a real departure, you have to remember that the magazine was found in the mid 1950s by billy graham. Billy graham is certainly a great name for many christian people around the country and around the world. He was largely silent of the issues of civil rights. He was not there to help Martin Luther king and certainly not in the magazine or publicly in support of people of color who suffered during that movement. The magazine did in the lat late 90s Say Something about the clintons impeachment. This editor is trying to do the same thing here. He represents a small percentage of the community which is likely to vote in large number. The white evangelicals community with donald trump. Evangelicals are overwhelmingly supportive of president , 75 approved of the jobs hes doing and among catholics of 53 . Can people of faith, particularly christians put up with Donald Trumps moral shortcomings if mark and i were talking about, hes delivering on certain longterm things that Community Calls close including judges and support of some of the decisions thats been taken in certain states about abortion and the Second Amendment. It depends on who you are. If you self identify christians, you are likely going to vote for the democratic nominee of who ever that person is in 2020 with different degrees of enthusiasm. If you are black and christian, you are not going to vote for donald trump in 2020. If ru whiyou are white and evangelical, you are likely to vote for donald trump and you are going to say the judges and the economy and his position on gun control and other issues of what hes done for religious freedom, all those things theyll say to stick in that co column. I think the president retains the strong support especially in the south and not likely to win the strong support of black christians nationwide. You are a pastor, you and i talk about a lot of things. We dont talk about religion itself. A republican congressman compares the impeachment inquiry of donald trump to what jesus christ went through right before he was cruicified. Lets listen today. During that sham trial, pontiff afford more rights to jesus than the democrats affor s to this president. President trump said the salem witches got more rights and more process than he got. Something that people in salem said that he should read more history on it. Nobody should compare themselves with jesus. Jesus was who he was and still is. It is a huge mistake when people try to compare themselves to him or what he went through to provide eternal life for anybody. It is a big mistake on the part of republicans or democrats who tries to make that. Joe watkins, thank you. A new ruling struck down part of the Affordable Care act, well take a look at what it means for healthcare of millions of americans. Seven democratic candidate contenders were head to head on the debate stage last night. Well bring you the highlights and who stood out, next. You are watching velshi ruhle, live on msnbc. You are watching velshi ruhle, live on msnbc. And im still going for my best, even though i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. So if theres a better treatment than warfarin, ill go for that. Eliquis. Eliquis is proven to reduce stroke risk better than warfarin. Plus has significantly less major bleeding than warfarin. Eliquis is fdaapproved and has both. 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Senator, your network is 100 times mine we are living in a nation thats increasingly becoming an oligarc oligarchy. We have millionaires spending hundreds of millions of dollars buying elections. Joining me now is john. What stood out to you here . The big thing is klobachar trying to arrest Pete Buttigieg rise in iowa. This is one of the last opportunities for them to get some broadcast attention. Pete buttigieg is leading the polls in iowa and they want to stop them. We saw that clashing going on and Pete Buttigieg defending himself and pushing back and particularly on klobachar, a real fight among those three thats been brewing for a while and exploded on stage last night. We remember one of the earlier debate, Kamala Harris went after joe biden, looks like she gained a lot out of that. Joe biden continues in the number one spot, Bernie Sanders continues in the number two spot. Warren is still up there in the top few and Pete Buttigieg has been makiing great end roads. Based on what those top candidates needed to do, what did they achieve . Well, i think in terms of that question of Pete Buttigieg and whether there is an effective argument against him, number one, i think he did a pretty good job of pairing and showing that he can defend himself. On the other hand, there were some weaknesses that exposes there that he has to deal with longterm. Kamala harris went after joe biden for bussing issue, that was a 40 years old issue. With Pete Buttigieg, thats an issue with woman senator and Amy Klobachar saying look, he does not have experience, hes dismissing the experience of others and the fact that this woman achieved something and the men on stage achieved something and getting elected of some of their policies. I think thats something hes going to have to contend with. Folks who did well, joe biden did not have to fight with anybody. Everyday is a good day for joe biden. Lets take a look at the poll average of whats going on in iowa. And puts it into relief. Pete buttigieg whos not in the number one spot in a lot of national polls, the polls of eye wi io iowa. Elizabeth warren is a close four. They are not all in the margins of error, those four candidates are the one whos winning in iowa is decisive. Mostly other candidates are not looking for a win in canada. Theyre looking to place well. I think thats true. We have seen over the course of time that things can rapidly change course everyone though this race has been static across the course of the last year and by and large. What we see in the last 45 days in iowa over the years is that candidates can go up and down. John kerry in 2004 surprising the field and Mike Huckabee winning iowa. There is a lot that can go on in the last days of a race in that stage particularly in democratic caucuses which is an unusual and specific of electing somebody. Stay tuned. John, you recall last saturday i was in pittsburgh with the candidates talking about public education, joe biden, the first time i remember after an extensive article came out about his stutter actually deliberately stuttered on stage to make the point of how difficult things was in his life. Sarah Huckabee Sanders tweeted and making fun of joe bidens stutter. I work my whole life over coming my stutter, it is called empathy, look it up. Tell me what you make of that incident, is that much to do of nothing . She recognized that and apologized for it and everybody is better if we just move on. John allen is an nbc news political reporter. Breaking news, House Speaker nancy pelosi officially invited President Trump to deliver the state of the Union Address on february the 4th, the spirit of respecting our constitution, you will remember in past years there had been issues about this. Boeing has a new spacecraft and it is having issues. 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