Seeking criminal charges against the russian individuals who carried out the hacking and leaking of the private information as part of the Putin Campaign to meddle in the 2016 elections and purportedly to help trumps candidacy according to those familiar with the matter. P does that case include any americans . Does it include wikileaks or putin. U. S. Intelligence said he directed at takz attacks. But this does show the Mueller Investigation is moving quickly. Remember it was just two weeks ago that mueller indicted the russians that were behind the revealing and sprawling and Sophisticated Campaign to disrupt the election via social media as a way to support trump. Campaign chief Paul Manafort was hit with more charges. Rick gates also flipped at that time. And dont forget yesterday we learned that mueller team is asking questions about whether the president himself was aware of the democratic emails being stolen before anybody else knew and whether he was involved or at least knew of the timing in order to have a strategic release of all of these. So joining me now is intelligence reporter ken delanian, part of the team that broke the news. So ken, again separate out for us we have the Internet Research agency and that did not include wikileaks, the podesta and dnc hacks, what this is about is just that. Podesta and the dnc hacks. That is exactly right. Were told that special Counsel Robert Mueller is moving toward an indictment or multiple indictments that would serve the same purpose as that document filed last month. Essentially as you recall, that document left out the hacks of the dnc, the leaking operation. Which played a significant role in the election. It was a big part of the russian meddling. So the new charges would tell the story of how that happened. And name the russians who were involved, allegedly. And they would rely we are told heavily on the secret intelligence and dhs, potential charges include conspiracy, violations of election law and violations of the Computer Fraud and abuse antihacking statute. You pointed out the big unanswered questions. One is will this indictment or potential indictment name vladimir putin. Weve reported the u. S. Has intelligence suggesting that putin ordered and supervised the operation. But that is sensitive intelligence and unclear whether the government would put that in a court document. Another question is will they charge russian intelligent officials who freelanced the hackers who carried out this operation. Another huge question is the role of wikileaks. The bulk of the emails came through wikileaks and the cia director mike pompeo has accused wikileaks as a hostile arm of the russian governments but wikileaks claim they acted as journalist. That could pose a problem for prosecution. So unknown whether they are named in the process. And it is clear that the investigation is picking up steam and this is another big shoe to drop inni laying out ho this happened. Is it possible he goes with individuals because the entity may be a journalistic organization but the individuals in it, is that more likely where he would go . So seouly so Julian Assange the individual. As journalists we are not drafting in knowingly subordinating or stealing or hacking to do our journalism. Were not were not allowed to do that. So yes, in theory, individuals could be charged in that manner. I guess there is always a chance this is a sealed indictment. Where because of the sensitivity to the intelligence, but boy a secret indictment by mueller, it seems like in this environment that im guessing that is something he would like to avoid. Well, the argument for doing a sealed indictment, some of my sources tell me, if you want to catch the russians unaware, traveling to a third country and actually snatch them up and bri bring them back for trial. And in the last indictment, mueller wanted to tell the American People the story of how the russians carried out this election meddling. Because were not getting that from the rest of the government and it is based on secret intelligence. This would be part two of the story of how the russians did it and it would send a message to the russians we know a lot about how this worked and we know how to potentially stop it from happening again. Ken delanian, trying to untangle what is a very tangled web. Thank you, sir. And right to tonights panel. Saw hell capper and karen tum and columnist at the washington post. And republican strategist brad todd. Welcome all. So let me start with you, sahill. We got the idea this is how mueller would deal with wikileaks which is in the same way he dealt with the social media aspect. Indict the specific individuals and note that it is a conspiracy and then part two will be who participated in the conspiracy so this makes a lot of sense that part one of the podesta aspect would be to go after the speddiv speddive specific individuals. And it is accurate, not only did russia intervene but with a spes specific purpose to help President Trump, then candidate trump bdefeat hillary clinton. And the nbc reporting suggested that mueller excuse me a moment. Could you go on . It is fine. So to go back to the larger thing, obviously it is a he wants to do this building by building block. If you throw too much into one indictment, it is easy for people to get confused. What bewere talking about ia cyber attack. The first go around a lot of republicans were saying, what is the big deal . It is just some mischievous facebook posts. Here they are saying, this is an actual breach of security. And so i think this is going to be this is going to take this to a level where there is a lot of pressure on the white house to answer what exactly are you doing to prevent this from happening. This isnt about declaring witch hunts, it is about security. And mueller is mueller is i think hes doing this in a way that will make it easy for the russia hawks to get behind him on this. I think the American People want to know what happened or what might happen later and what has the russians done outside of the election to sew discord in the election. And most of the Republican Party would tell you that believe that about the russians and they are trying to do that here in the United States. Dan coats went to the secretary of state and warned we have evidence they will try to do this in the midterms and hes in the administration but here is the issue. Here is mike rogers earlier this week. Do we have it . Have you been directed to do so given the strategic threat that faces the United States and the significant consequences you recognize already . No, i have not. But essentially we have not taken on the russians yet. Were watching them intrude in our elections and spread misinformation and become more sophisticated, try to achieve strategic objections that you recognize and just essentially sitting back and waiting. I dont know if i would characterize it as sitting back and waiting but again i apologize i i dont want to get into the classified here. It is probably fair to say we have not opted to engage in some of the same behaviors that we are seeing. That is another way of saying weve decided not to retaliate. And this is where i feel like the politics of this puts the president , if he had ordered a retaliation already, muellers news would not hit with the same type of impact. Right. What mueller said was that there had been no clear president ial director from up above for the agencies and the federal government to use the resources at their disposal to go after this. And that is an important thing. To complete my thought. I had something in my troet. This is not just a bunch of trolls or bots posting things online to influence a conversation that anybody could do by posting things online. This shows that they are stealing information from specific people in order to expose them. It is a new level of criminality and the important thing is it is all about the political pressure. Mueller can by revealing this information and allowing it to come output the president in a bit of a corner and make it harder for him to deny this and refuse to do anything because as we know President Trump doesnt like to go there. It is a nofly zone for him because he believes the russia issue casts issue on the legitimacy of his presidency. And it puts an end to the alternative theories. What is this outside hacker, was this some inside job from inside the dnc. This flat out points the finger at russia and eliminates all of the other alternative theerali theories as to how this happened. The more they learn, you do see Public Opinion is increasing that oh, we need to hold the russians accountable here. Why does the president not see this punish them as a political decision. If you could read his mind on political calculations then you could make a lot of money doing something besides being i assume your friends on capitol hill are frustrated by this because it certainly paints a nefarious picture. I think first off, the republicans on capitol hill are pretty unified in their desire to hold russia accountable for this misdeed and other misdeed, in the ukraine or the baltics. You name it. And the American People, however, are also in a very patient mode. They want r they want Robert Mueller to take his di his time and do his work and the beltway is obsessed with any leak as any investigation. The public will make its judgment when they have the full picture. The nuance in the Public Opinion polls is americans by enlarge think this is a legitimate investigation and the russians did meddle but republicans do not think that and many are skeptical when the president said he is fake and it is having an impact which affects republicans in congress and who run congress behave. The public wants to know what russia did. I think whether the question of whether it is collusion, we havent seen evidence of collusion yet. The public wants to know what russia s intent was and what they accomplished and since then and before the election. And i can get to a larger issue and we dont have a policy in the United States about how to deal with cyber warfare. It is an issue the Obama Administration was trying to deal with and which is is it a retaliation. Do we should we be offensive, well a bunch of offensive Cyber Weapons got into the hands of bad guys thanks to an nsa thief. It is being discussed. And even discussed in the Nuclear Posture review. But the fact is that the first thing we have to do is acknowledge that this is a form of warfare. That this is the 21st century version of an attack on our sovereignty. And until people can get the conversation to that, and not the legit donald trump cannot see this beyond a reflection on donald trump. It is a National Security issue. But both parties are guilty of not taking the russians seriously. Barack obama called the russian reset and mitt romney said they are a great threat and obama didnt want to go there. That is 100 true. But donald trump is the president now. And in terms of how are we going to prevent this from happening again, voters are going to the polls next tuesday in texas and in the first primary of this year. And there are at least seeds of doubt with millions of voters, will this election be held on the up and up. That is a problem. And dan coats said it. They are worried about it. That is not a good thing and were starting the election session in less than a week. The biggest challenge with the cybersecurity is the bad actors seem to be moving much more quickly than the government response. That is a lot of issues. So stick around. Coming up, the russia probe is leaving President Trump isolate and the white house is increasingly chaotic and i feel line im on rerun here, we say the same thing over and over again but this times it seems even more real. How will the president handle this isolation . Dont we need that cable box to watch tv . Nope. Dont we need to run . Nope. It just explodes in a high pitched yeahhh. yeahhh try directv now for 10 a month for 3 months. No satellite needed. When you have something you love, you want to protect it. At legalzoom, our network of attorneys can help you every step of the way. With an estate plan including wills or a living trust that grows along with you and your family. Legalzoom. Where life meets legal. 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Attorney general Jeff Sessions has soured on him and that relationship is a mess. Michael flynn lied about russia and he is out and pled guilty. Paul manafort indicted and his top deputy flipped. Steve bannon out and some of the Campaign Activity was potentially treasonous. Trump said bannon had lost his mind. Keith schiller, the trump long time personal aide and bodyguard, one of the first people kelly got rid of. Sean spicer and Reince Priebus are out and every one i just mentioned has been talking to mueller and some more extensively than others. And then there is jared kushner. His business arrangements are under fire and drawing attention of mr. Mueller and he had to talk to mr. Mueller. Not by choice. And now nbc news is reporting that the National Security adviser h. R. Mcmaster is leaving soon and that might be one he is happy about. This white house is compromised by the russia investigation. Look at the casualty list but ultimately ask yourself is there anyone left around the president that he trusts. How do we figure that out. Joining me now one of the First Campaign advisers, sam nunnberg, good to see you. Thank you for having me on. So lets start with you are somebody fired a couple of times by donald trump. I think three or four. Three or four. Youre not even sure how many. Correct. Right now i look at the folks that are currently around this president and i look at the folks that used to be around this president and im wondering, he cant be happy. What is it like when he doesnt have people around him that he trusts . Well first of all, i would say it was a shock to me, chuck, that hopes announcement was made yesterday that she was leaving. She is somebody who i would have thought and you have dealt with her, that she would be there in perpetuity. And i dont know what is going on. The only thing i to say about hope all of the time is that